⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Luzin]

Matchday 3 of 6

Oct 19, 2021
Beşiktaş - Sporting CP
Club Bruges KV - Manchester City FC

Oct 20, 2021
Ajax - Borussia Dortmund
Atlético Madrid - Liverpool FC
Internazionale - Sheriff
Paris Saint-Germain FC - RB Leipzig
Porto - Milan
Shakhtar Donetsk - Real Madrid
Barcelona - Dynamo Kyiv
FC Salzbourg - Wolfsburg

Oct 21, 2021
BSC Young Boys Berne - Villarreal
Benfica - Bayern Munich
Chelsea FC - Malmö FF
Lille OSC - Sevilla
Manchester United FC - Atalanta
Zenit - Juventus

The game is still long, about 2 weeks. But at least this can help you to determine your bet on the next match. Although there are no big clubs competing against each other, but I'm sure there will be surprises like the previous Matchday. I don't think big clubs should underestimate any opponent.

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[blackened515]

Matchday 3 of 6

Oct 19, 2021
Beşiktaş - Sporting CP
Club Bruges KV - Manchester City FC

Oct 20, 2021
Ajax - Borussia Dortmund
Atlético Madrid - Liverpool FC
Internazionale - Sheriff
Paris Saint-Germain FC - RB Leipzig
Porto - Milan
Shakhtar Donetsk - Real Madrid
Barcelona - Dynamo Kyiv
FC Salzbourg - Wolfsburg

Oct 21, 2021
BSC Young Boys Berne - Villarreal
Benfica - Bayern Munich
Chelsea FC - Malmö FF
Lille OSC - Sevilla
Manchester United FC - Atalanta
Zenit - Juventus

No big clubs compete against each other, but I'm sure there will be surprises like the previous Matchdays. I don't think big clubs should underestimate any opponent.

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I don't think any team in the Champion League are however weak. PSG will have a tough time against RB Leipzig, but PSG is at home, and I think that will boost their morale about winning the match.
While Manchester United Vs Atalanta will be an interesting match. Honestly, I don't know who will win, but both team will surely score.
Barcelona should be able beat to Dynamo Kyiv, Although, I don't fully trust them as their performance haven't been impressive, they lost both of their last Champion League matches, and also lost their League match against Atletico Madrid.l yesterday.
I can't wait to watch Atletico Madrid play against Liverpool, the Matchday 3 will probably be very interesting.

[wiss19]

I really wonder how many people wagered on Sheriff in this match. They had really big odds for their win and winning the first half. I would never expect them to defeat Real Madrid in both halves. Real Madrid actually dominated the match against them but Sheriff took advantage of their chances very effectively. It is good to see a completely different team making surprises. Maybe it won't last forever but it is still a good thing that makes the competition more attractive.

There is nothing new in this lost which happen Real Madrid vs Sheriff because we have big history of defeats and wins like this in soccer. Main reason is Real Madrid team taking this all very easily, so they face this humiliation on other side it's big lesson for many other big teams now they can face results like this so be careful never take any team easy.

Now in next round we have inter vs Sheriff, hopefully fans will have some very interesting and entertaining match between these two teams because inter is looking for first win of this season in Champions League and now Sheriff is looking to secure their spot in next round.

[mv1986]

The next year will be better for them but they need to conclude this year in the top 4 spots in the national championship or it will be a massacre without the money from Champions Leauge.

Barcelona still has a chance to improve their squad this season in January, I think La Liga is not a very competitive league so it won't be too difficult for Barcelona to be in 4th place in the standings at the end of the season, so maybe it will be a bit disappointing for Barcelona fans who hope this season barcelona can win a trophy after the failure of last season, even though barcelona condition is bad at this time but finishing in the top 4 is not a difficult thing for them even though they have been out of the championship path right now.

What do you mean by improving their squad? Get new players? Well, they can only get players that are not qualified for the Champions League or played in the CL yet, or otherwise they can't play for Barcelona in the CL. I don't know how much of an improvement those players would really be, but maybe you are right and Barcelona doesn't even have a choice but act.

There are some good enough players who don't play in the champions league. Europa League has decent players. All Barcelona has to do is somehow survive this season with a finish in the top four and maybe go as far as they can in the Champions League. Maybe next season they can go all out in the transfer market. But if they fail to finish top 4, that would impact very badly next season.

While I have no idea if and how the financial fair play stuff in Spain actually works, keep in Mind that Messi had to go for financial reasons. Yes I know he earned a shit ton of money, but is Barcelona really able to get so many new players or good players given how much debt they have? If they fail to qualify for the Champions League, holy cow that could end badly for them.

[Stalker22]

The next year will be better for them but they need to conclude this year in the top 4 spots in the national championship or it will be a massacre without the money from Champions Leauge.

Barcelona still has a chance to improve their squad this season in January, I think La Liga is not a very competitive league so it won't be too difficult for Barcelona to be in 4th place in the standings at the end of the season, so maybe it will be a bit disappointing for Barcelona fans who hope this season barcelona can win a trophy after the failure of last season, even though barcelona condition is bad at this time but finishing in the top 4 is not a difficult thing for them even though they have been out of the championship path right now.

What do you mean by improving their squad? Get new players? Well, they can only get players that are not qualified for the Champions League or played in the CL yet, or otherwise they can't play for Barcelona in the CL. I don't know how much of an improvement those players would really be, but maybe you are right and Barcelona doesn't even have a choice but act.

There are some good enough players who don't play in the champions league. Europa League has decent players. All Barcelona has to do is somehow survive this season with a finish in the top four and maybe go as far as they can in the Champions League. Maybe next season they can go all out in the transfer market. But if they fail to finish top 4, that would impact very badly next season.

While I have no idea if and how the financial fair play stuff in Spain actually works, keep in Mind that Messi had to go for financial reasons. Yes I know he earned a shit ton of money, but is Barcelona really able to get so many new players or good players given how much debt they have? If they fail to qualify for the Champions League, holy cow that could end badly for them.

Laporta said that Barca's total debt now stands at over $1.6 billion, and 103% of the club's total income goes to wages alone. According to La Liga's new rules, clubs may spend max 70% of their income on wages, which means Barca will have to cut salaries almost everywhere. I don't see how they can afford to add new players in such a financial situation.

However, there may finally be some good news at the end; according to a report in the Mirror, Barca has recently been approached by a "Dubai-based company" with an offer of $1.6 billion to refinance their debts. But the club has not yet confirmed whether it will accept it.

[Maestro75]

Give the Barcelona team now to other coaches, they can not help Barcelona to win any title. That club has serious financial health and conflict between players and the board is not small.

This is correct because Barcelona's problem is beyond its debt profile and salaries for players. It's about the dress room conflicts among players and the clique they've formed. Most experienced coaches would have sold off those old and stubborn players immediately Messi left the club. But that is not so as the coach of the side Ronald Koeman is still wasting time on doing what should be the right thing. I wish he gets thrown out of his job.

[leea-1334]

Enjoy them before the retire!

Both Messi and Ronaldo scored in the Champions League. They are both awesome players, Ronaldo has won games in the finals in both international and club competitions on more than one occasion. Messi is the kind of player that runs the game, creates opportunities for others to score and then scores himself. As I am not comparing them, I have just focused on enjoying their game play. When these two legends retire, the football world will lose its magic.

Agreed 100%! And to whomever who would like to continue arguing which is better,,, than it is their loss as they will forever be caught up in one guy and miss out on the beauty of the other. These two cannot be more different and yet live and breathe in the same air as us all, for that we should be greatful.

My wish is still to see them play together on one big final season stage, and show the world how wrong it was to choose one or the other

[LGD2Business]

Give the Barcelona team now to other coaches, they can not help Barcelona to win any title. That club has serious financial health and conflict between players and the board is not small.

This is correct because Barcelona's problem is beyond its debt profile and salaries for players. It's about the dress room conflicts among players and the clique they've formed. Most experienced coaches would have sold off those old and stubborn players immediately Messi left the club. But that is not so as the coach of the side Ronald Koeman is still wasting time on doing what should be the right thing. I wish he gets thrown out of his job.

Which players are you talking about? I didn't see any news about Barcelona dressing room problems. Is it about their recent formation changes?
I only heard some criticism from Pique but what would you do, would you sell your best defender Pique? I don't think Barcelona is competitive enough team to get any title as well, especially Champions League. Their advancing from group stage even is questionable.

[Harkorede]

Give the Barcelona team now to other coaches, they can not help Barcelona to win any title. That club has serious financial health and conflict between players and the board is not small.

This is correct because Barcelona's problem is beyond its debt profile and salaries for players. It's about the dress room conflicts among players and the clique they've formed. Most experienced coaches would have sold off those old and stubborn players immediately Messi left the club. But that is not so as the coach of the side Ronald Koeman is still wasting time on doing what should be the right thing. I wish he gets thrown out of his job.

But how does a team get out of financial debt without generating revenue ??! Barcelona are surely in debt, but that doesn't cover up for Koeman's shortcomings over the past season, the debt didn't just happen over night and the players are aware of that, but if there is a coach with a working system and tactics, then it's just a matter of time to get the revenue up and running again, but with the team playing awfully would you imagine how terrible the tickets amongst other sources of revenue would be faring ??

Whatever and however Barcelona might be willing to get past this phase, it's gotta begin with the squad performance and their zeal to fight and that's sadly not happening with Koeman.

[poldanmig]

Give the Barcelona team now to other coaches, they can not help Barcelona to win any title. That club has serious financial health and conflict between players and the board is not small.

This is correct because Barcelona's problem is beyond its debt profile and salaries for players. It's about the dress room conflicts among players and the clique they've formed. Most experienced coaches would have sold off those old and stubborn players immediately Messi left the club. But that is not so as the coach of the side Ronald Koeman is still wasting time on doing what should be the right thing. I wish he gets thrown out of his job.

Which players are you talking about? I didn't see any news about Barcelona dressing room problems. Is it about their recent formation changes?
I only heard some criticism from Pique but what would you do, would you sell your best defender Pique? I don't think Barcelona is competitive enough team to get any title as well, especially Champions League. Their advancing from group stage even is questionable.

Now Barcelona players are experiencing divisions and many of them seniors seem to want Koeman to resign from his position, and of course that is a natural thing if you look at Barcelona current performance, what Pique said in my opinion is very true because it is clear that there are a lot of Barcelona problems right now  and their front line seems very difficult to score goals, if barcelona sells pique of course it will make Barcelona weaker and I think now Barcelona biggest problem is the game tactics used by Koeman so far have not been effective.

[izsara]

Man United's performance was not too good against Villarreal. For a time, they seemed to dominate the game, that is, early in the second half when they played a fast tempo. Unfortunately, this condition can't last long.
Likewise with Ronaldo. Actually, he didn't play well, his movement was often anticipated by Villarreal defenders, and he made several mistakes, so he only had few chances to score. It's just that at the last minute he managed to score the winning goal.

Ronaldo is indeed a great player, even though he is not young anymore. But if Man United is too dependent on Ronaldo, then Man United's performance will not be able to progress because when Ronaldo can't play or he plays but not at his best, then Man United would have languished.

I don’t think that now United is heavily dependent on Ronaldo, now they have a great roster and if we hear about Ronaldo in every match it’s only because he’s a very big name of a great athlete (plus he scores a goal in almost every match). I think during the season other players like Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, etc. will also fall into the spotlight.

It's true that MU has now become one of the teams that is quite reckoned with and even they can compete last season and stick to Man.city which incidentally was the champion that season.
but on the other hand I feel the arrival of ronaldo adds to the mentality of the players and the enthusiasm of all parties. because we all know that ronaldo is one of the players who is still the best now even though he is not young anymore.
and this becomes a good unit to add to the team's performance to be even better.
instead of mentioning ronaldo as one of the dependencies of MU I prefer to mention ronaldo as a puzzle piece that is less than MU which makes United even stronger.

[AakZaki]

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Interesting game, test for Ole. Maybe if Man United loses or draws again, the hashtag #Oleout will increase. Their league results are not good, they are very weak on the counter-attack. Ole has too many great players, but is not able to use them well. Maybe Ole should ask Sir Alex Ferguson for a prescription, he always comes to the stadium when Man United plays. Then for Atalanta, they are a great club. They were able to win 1-0 over Young Boys. But before playing in the UCL they will play Milan and Empoli in Serie A.

[nelson4lov]

~snip~

Interesting game, test for Ole. Maybe if Man United loses or draws again, the hashtag #Oleout will increase. Their league results are not good, they are very weak on the counter-attack. Ole has too many great players, but is not able to use them well. Maybe Ole should ask Sir Alex Ferguson for a prescription, he always comes to the stadium when Man United plays. Then for Atalanta, they are a great club. They were able to win 1-0 over Young Boys. But before playing in the UCL they will play Milan and Empoli in Serie A.

Atalanta already played against Milan and lost by one goal. As for Ole, he needs to figure out what he's doing wrong otherwise the owners might get tired of the lack of titles and ask questions that might lead to his dismissal. The owners have been understanding so far but I think there's only so much they can take before they look for an alternative. Let's hope Atalanta doesn't win them.

[Pulsar77]

Manchester United have still been getting unsatisfactory results recently. They had a really hard time defeating Villarreal in their last Champions League game. And after that, they played against Everton home in the English Premier League. But they couldn't defeat them and they drew with Everton by 1-1. It was not a good result for them before the national break. They need to work hard and prepare really well for their next game which is in the Champions League and against Atalanta home. They really have a tight and hard schedule in the coming weeks. If they don't start getting satisfactory results, this would be the end of Ole's work here and he would get sacked I think.

[ninkdwi]

Atalanta already played against Milan and lost by one goal. As for Ole, he needs to figure out what he's doing wrong otherwise the owners might get tired of the lack of titles and ask questions that might lead to his dismissal. The owners have been understanding so far but I think there's only so much they can take before they look for an alternative. Let's hope Atalanta doesn't win them.

I think when talking about this ole should not make a change that seems imposing in the club especially for the starting line-up.
it is very good to make the players apart from getting flying hours on the other hand the reserved core players can also save stamina for important matches.
But Ole's experiment was too forced, and it showed when they lost to Aston Vila.
I think things like this should not be done too often because this is indeed a fatal outcome for the results achieved.

[add1ct3dd]

Give the Barcelona team now to other coaches, they can not help Barcelona to win any title. That club has serious financial health and conflict between players and the board is not small.

This is correct because Barcelona's problem is beyond its debt profile and salaries for players. It's about the dress room conflicts among players and the clique they've formed. Most experienced coaches would have sold off those old and stubborn players immediately Messi left the club. But that is not so as the coach of the side Ronald Koeman is still wasting time on doing what should be the right thing. I wish he gets thrown out of his job.

Barcelona one off world's best club with millions of fans around the globe and with very rich history is currently now under some serious troubles, but they can survive from these all issues because many are still had something special for them, but their current form is also very bad, so it's issue which they need to settle on ground with some quality players because right now they have no player who can handle right now and give them some better results. About debits issues, I found this one as most chances they are going to adopt this because right now they have no other choice and this one is much better and acceptable for them.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/barcelona-joao-laporta-financial-debt-25087553

[ReiMomo]

A long gap between the upcoming game and the recent one completed on 30th September. Seems a big gap? Next Besiktas is going to play against Sporting team. Both team have not yet won a single match in Group C. Its Ajax and Darmund who had the chance to win 2 matches each. Lets see who wins on October 16th. Hope they do not make the game draw. One should beat the other. Lets see.

[Silberman]

Barcelona oh Barcelona, ​​0 goals in 2 match that ended in defeat in the group stage is a very sad slap for them. Honestly I really want them to go through to the next stage, but their poor performance in the last 2 games make no sense. None of the attackers the team has scored and they have conceded 6 goals. No longer great with the existing composition of players or R. Koeman should be fired? I agree with the second option, but it becomes impossible due to very bad financial condition and it looks like they have to accept the offer of fresh funds from the dubai company this time.

It's sad to see how the high and mighty have fallen over the years. The team has basically fallen apart. Frontline and backslide did very little in that Benfica to aid the team. The way I see it, Koeman isn't even the only problem that Barcelona has to fix. It runs deeper than that. They might not make it out of this group if they don't start winning games from their 3rd group stage match.

It is natural that this happens, Barcelona found a generational talent on Messi, not only he was one of the best to play at his time he is considered by many to be one of the best ever, so when that player leaves or stops being as good then it is natural that the team which has grown to depend on him faces difficult times as it is impossible for any player to fill the hole he left behind, but give them time, and if after a few years Barcelona shows no sings of improvement then that is the moment to begin to worry about it.

[AndySt]

Give the Barcelona team now to other coaches, they can not help Barcelona to win any title. That club has serious financial health and conflict between players and the board is not small.

This is correct because Barcelona's problem is beyond its debt profile and salaries for players. It's about the dress room conflicts among players and the clique they've formed. Most experienced coaches would have sold off those old and stubborn players immediately Messi left the club. But that is not so as the coach of the side Ronald Koeman is still wasting time on doing what should be the right thing. I wish he gets thrown out of his job.

But how does a team get out of financial debt without generating revenue ??! Barcelona are surely in debt, but that doesn't cover up for Koeman's shortcomings over the past season, the debt didn't just happen over night and the players are aware of that, but if there is a coach with a working system and tactics, then it's just a matter of time to get the revenue up and running again, but with the team playing awfully would you imagine how terrible the tickets amongst other sources of revenue would be faring ??
Whatever and however Barcelona might be willing to get past this phase, it's gotta begin with the squad performance and their zeal to fight and that's sadly not happening with Koeman.

In theory, Koeman probably had slightly different ideas about the transfer company and the composition of the team for this season, and if Luis Suarez left the team last season to a large extent not without Koeman's participation, then parting with Messi and Griezmann was clearly not part of the plans of the Dutch coach and the difficult financial situation of Barcelona played a big role here. Barcelona will not be envied and the club will not be able to part with the coach just like that, because in case of unilateral termination of the contract, the club must pay Koeman 12 million euros by June 30, 2022, and for the new coaching staff the salary limit will be 3 million euros, which in total translates into 15 million.

[MAAManda]

Next Besiktas is going to play against Sporting team. Both team have not yet won a single match in Group C. Its Ajax and Darmund who had the chance to win 2 matches each. Lets see who wins on October 16th. Hope they do not make the game draw. One should beat the other. Lets see.

It's like there's no hope for Sporting CP and Besiktas even though it's only been 2 matches. But even so Ajax and Dortmund will meet later, and this is where we will see who the opportunity will come to, Besiktas or Sporting CP.

Both Teams (Besiktas & Sporting CP) Have Good Performances in Their Leagues. Hmmm... I still believe in the quality of Sporting CP than Besiktas.