⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Juggy777]

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

Ramos and Messi are now the most experienced players in the PSG team. If the two of them can adapt to the coach's strategy, then PSG will get their performance very well. They have both played in La Liga so far. La Liga's strategy is different from PSG's strategy. So they need time to adapt to the PSG team.

@Iranus I’m dying to see what kind of strategy will Poch adopt, because with these player’s he should target at least 5 goals each match. However they could be stunned on counter attacks, hence it’ll be very interesting to see what will be his defence strategy and will Messi be able to help them defend if he’s instructed to fall back and defend.

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[Luzin]

However they could be stunned on counter attacks, hence it’ll be very interesting to see what will be his defence strategy and will Messi be able to help them defend if he’s instructed to fall back and defend.

I think messi is bad defensively. He tends to be good in attack, so I don't think he will play a big role in defence. If you look at the game at Barca they tend to have the ball, so they rarely get pressure from the enemy, unless it's a counter-attack. That's very rare. But I think Messi will be more optimal if he has an understanding of the game at PSG defence.

[casperBGD]

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Ramos and Messi are now the most experienced players in the PSG team. If the two of them can adapt to the coach's strategy, then PSG will get their performance very well. They have both played in La Liga so far. La Liga's strategy is different from PSG's strategy. So they need time to adapt to the PSG team.

by any doubt, PSG should play for 5+ goals per match in Ligue1, maybe even in CL group stage, expect with City, all others matches should be win with a margin

but, when comes to CL title chase, I doubt that they will be able to win over more compact teams, such as Chelsea or Bayern, it will be a tough matches for them in the end, it is a long way to that point, but I do not see them as Champions League winners in the end, too much stars is just as bad as having no star player in the team, team spirit is what they need, and that will a hard to achieve

[Iranus]

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

Ramos and Messi are now the most experienced players in the PSG team. If the two of them can adapt to the coach's strategy, then PSG will get their performance very well. They have both played in La Liga so far. La Liga's strategy is different from PSG's strategy. So they need time to adapt to the PSG team.

@Iranus I’m dying to see what kind of strategy will Poch adopt, because with these player’s he should target at least 5 goals each match. However they could be stunned on counter attacks, hence it’ll be very interesting to see what will be his defence strategy and will Messi be able to help them defend if he’s instructed to fall back and defend.

PSG's forward lineup is very strong. On the other hand, Ligue 1 teams are weak. It is not very difficult to score 5 goals against such a team. But most of the teams try to play defensively against PSG. It is difficult to score when the opponent is playing defensively. Moreover, if the Mesi Mbappe and Neymar trio do not understand each other well, it will be difficult to score.

[Maidak]

For players like Messi, the language barrier is definitely not a Barrier. Even if he does not know English, which I doubt ... then his colossal playing experience will help him in following the coaching instructions. But even this is not the main thing, since he already felt the atmosphere of the locker room, and the warm welcome that the whole Paris organized for him, (not to mention the fact that some of the PSG players speak Spanish).

I don't think language will cause too much trouble for Messi. Maybe talking to other players can be a bit of a problem. But it will not cause any problems on the field. There are also players like Neymar, Di Maria, and Icardi to help him.

[alpamar99]

PSG's forward lineup is very strong. On the other hand, Ligue 1 teams are weak. It is not very difficult to score 5 goals against such a team. But most of the teams try to play defensively against PSG. It is difficult to score when the opponent is playing defensively. Moreover, if the Mesi Mbappe and Neymar trio do not understand each other well, it will be difficult to score.

Actually, when viewed from the whole, PSG is now like an avenger when it is aligned with players from every club in league 1 because from every line there are players who are above average which makes this team very strong.
and it is certain that when clubs in league 1 will make defensive strategies to play against PSG so that they hope not to concede, because winning matches is very difficult, especially for teams at the bottom of the table.
at least a draw is the most likely choice for them.
but it's only in league 1 because speaking for the Champions League I think it will be a little different because the Champions level is higher and indeed PSG are strong but for the Champions level they are still on a par with other teams such as City, Madrid Chelsea and some another team.

[hahay]

PSG's forward lineup is very strong. On the other hand, Ligue 1 teams are weak. It is not very difficult to score 5 goals against such a team. But most of the teams try to play defensively against PSG. It is difficult to score when the opponent is playing defensively. Moreover, if the Mesi Mbappe and Neymar trio do not understand each other well, it will be difficult to score.

Actually, when viewed from the whole, PSG is now like an avenger when it is aligned with players from every club in league 1 because from every line there are players who are above average which makes this team very strong.
and it is certain that when clubs in league 1 will make defensive strategies to play against PSG so that they hope not to concede, because winning matches is very difficult, especially for teams at the bottom of the table.
at least a draw is the most likely choice for them.
but it's only in league 1 because speaking for the Champions League I think it will be a little different because the Champions level is higher and indeed PSG are strong but for the Champions level they are still on a par with other teams such as City, Madrid Chelsea and some another team.

Indeed, PSG now seems difficult to beat but if I look at the previous match where PSG was still unable to win big with a clean sheet, then it means that PSG's defense is also not as perfect as imagined. We're just hypnotized by having Messi there and I don't think it's promising for PSG to go further in the UCL. I personally will still be looking forward to how far PSG will go in UCL, because as we know in UCL there will always be surprises, especially from teams that are not considered or dark horse teams.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

The idea of all this is that Messi can adapt quickly to his team, also the French football style and the strategy is much more different from that of Barcelona, Messi can actually learn the system and start to shine.

It should be noted that the only systems that Messi knows is that of Barcelona and his Argentine national team, since his childhood they are the only systems he knows, at this point the genius of Messi if he cannot adapt does not matter, he just does what Whatever he wants on the soccer field, it turns out well, he knows in which position to play, he doesn't need to adapt much, even if he has to meet those standards.

[icopress]

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Are you a fan of tautology? I still don't quite understand why people read previous posts, paraphrase and publish the same. Btw, "Dynamo" Kiev, got into one of the toughest groups, while "Shakhtar" Donetsk was more fortunate because in their group they have no one to fear (Lukaku moved to Chelsea and Real is not the same as it was before). And then .... Messi against Guardiola, Villarreal again against Manchester United (and again the game will end in a draw) in general, we will have an exciting marathon.

[alpamar99]

Actually, when viewed from the whole, PSG is now like an avenger when it is aligned with players from every club in league 1 because from every line there are players who are above average which makes this team very strong.
and it is certain that when clubs in league 1 will make defensive strategies to play against PSG so that they hope not to concede, because winning matches is very difficult, especially for teams at the bottom of the table.
at least a draw is the most likely choice for them.
but it's only in league 1 because speaking for the Champions League I think it will be a little different because the Champions level is higher and indeed PSG are strong but for the Champions level they are still on a par with other teams such as City, Madrid Chelsea and some another team.

Indeed, PSG now seems difficult to beat but if I look at the previous match where PSG was still unable to win big with a clean sheet, then it means that PSG's defense is also not as perfect as imagined. We're just hypnotized by having Messi there and I don't think it's promising for PSG to go further in the UCL. I personally will still be looking forward to how far PSG will go in UCL, because as we know in UCL there will always be surprises, especially from teams that are not considered or dark horse teams.

this is a task that the coach must immediately think of a solution for and if seen from PSG's performance it is already good but as good as a team is there must be a weak point that must be resolved immediately, besides that for now PSG's back line is still often missed, especially in attack back, but I'm still waiting for the debut of the two new players in their back line, Ramos and Donaruma because until now this hasn't happened yet.
maybe by playing Ramos at the back, at least we can lift both mentally and in performance because we know that Ramos was a pretty reliable defender when he was at Real Madrid.
and for the champions league I completely agree with what you said because every year there are always surprises, for example, like the 2019/2020 season where dark horse teams like Atalanta and Lyon can even get to the quarter-finals and semi-finals and are able to beat big teams including PSG at that time.
because again, this is football anything can happen on the pitch. no matter the team is strong in terms of money and players, still when 90 minutes of the match goes on, the team of 11 people can survive.

[Iranus]

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

The idea of all this is that Messi can adapt quickly to his team, also the French football style and the strategy is much more different from that of Barcelona, Messi can actually learn the system and start to shine.

It should be noted that the only systems that Messi knows is that of Barcelona and his Argentine national team, since his childhood they are the only systems he knows, at this point the genius of Messi if he cannot adapt does not matter, he just does what Whatever he wants on the soccer field, it turns out well, he knows in which position to play, he doesn't need to adapt much, even if he has to meet those standards.

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

[Maidak]

Are you a fan of tautology? ~Btw, "Dynamo" Kiev, got into one of the toughest groups, while "Shakhtar" Donetsk was more fortunate because in their group they have no one to fear (Lukaku moved to Chelsea and Real is not the same as it was before). And then .... Messi against Guardiola, Villarreal again against Manchester United (and again the game will end in a draw) in general, we will have an exciting marathon.

Lol, Do you want to take away my freedom of speech, the last thing I have obtained from the democratic world?
Btw, I am waiting for Messi's match against Guardiola. You know, the good relationship between Messi and Guardiola. While there are many more star players at PSG, but still we don’t know how well they are able to perform together. On the other hand, Manchester City is a very strong team. Maybe a very competitive match is going to be held.
You know, the old memories of Barcelona against Bayern Munich are not pleasant. Barcelona lost the last match against Bayern 8-2. My guess is that Bayern Munich will be able to beat Barcelona in the next match as well.

[babo]

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

is valid for all players, not only Messi

so i totally agree with you
football is a team game and therefore the team must work well

remember a few years ago? greece with a poor team won the european, because they played compactly

[joker_josue]

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

is valid for all players, not only Messi

That's true, but it's one thing for the team to be worked from the youth team in a style of play thinking about getting the best performance out of a player. Another is a team that is built by players from various backgrounds, who despite having quality, were not trained to play in a style of play to get the best out of a specific player.

This was noticed a little, in the last 2 years at Barcelona, when the team was not as interconnected as Messi, the performances were not so surprising.

[Joca97]

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

The idea of all this is that Messi can adapt quickly to his team, also the French football style and the strategy is much more different from that of Barcelona, Messi can actually learn the system and start to shine.

It should be noted that the only systems that Messi knows is that of Barcelona and his Argentine national team, since his childhood they are the only systems he knows, at this point the genius of Messi if he cannot adapt does not matter, he just does what Whatever he wants on the soccer field, it turns out well, he knows in which position to play, he doesn't need to adapt much, even if he has to meet those standards.

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

Messi will have to adopt to the new team but we are currently talking about the best team in the world(the most expensive one) and all players are mostly superstar and you can adopt pretty easily here. In Barca the play was all around Messi in PSG is diffrent,Messi will only have to adopt to that.

[Silberman]

If there is one thing that Messi has no problem with, that is definitely to adapt to his players and understand quickly how to get the best out of them.

I do not think so. But that's what we're going to see now. It's the first time that Messi is at a club other than Barcelona.
For the quality of player that he is, he will adapt. But it's now that we'll see if he's capable of it or not.

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

[Ratash]

Group A is really awesome. I can't wait to see Manchester City vs PSG and PSG vs Manchester City games.    These are the biggest favourites for the Champions League title this season. PSG have Lionel Messi from now on. And Manchester City are really close to signing Cristiano Ronaldo. It will be great to see these two legends playing against each other again.

Yes its the strongest group not to mention that leipzig team will pose a serious threat but i think man city an psg are in the best position to take the first two spots and the favourites to win the champions league true psg are stronger with messi with their side but they lack team play as weve seen them conceid many goals in the first games so they need more time to adapt.

[hahay]

If there is one thing that Messi has no problem with, that is definitely to adapt to his players and understand quickly how to get the best out of them.

I do not think so. But that's what we're going to see now. It's the first time that Messi is at a club other than Barcelona.
For the quality of player that he is, he will adapt. But it's now that we'll see if he's capable of it or not.

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't think it will be difficult for Messi, because at PSG there is already Neymar and also Di Maria and some other players who are from Argentina. That way, Messi will not be rigid in adapting because their relationship with the two players is very close. Also, star players will always be welcome wherever he comes, so even though Messi is new here but I'm sure that other players will try to get closer and understand Messi's playing character so that he can keep up with his playing during matches.

[joker_josue]

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

[Daniel91]

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

PSG has brought in a lot of new players this summer and their coach will have a tough job to create a team from a group of strong individuals, a good and balanced team.
We had before the example that some clubs like Real or Barcelona had a lot of good and expensive players in the team but they did not achieve the expected results.
Should it be recalled that last season the unexpected champions of the French and Spanish leagues were Atletico and Lille?
Messi is probably the greatest footballer of all time but even he cannot win alone and needs the support of the team.
I believe that the biggest problem for the coach will be the great ego and vanity of his best footballers, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe and how to convince them to submit to the team.
PSG remains the first favorite of the Champions League, but I think that Manchester City, Chelsea, Bayern and Real also have good chances.