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[libert19]

I think even if India had scored 300+ runs it would not have been too difficult for Australia to win the match. Because they went on the field without the preparation that Australia will win the 2023 World Cup, where the Australian captain said they have the experience of how to play the World Cup. Although 300 plus runs would have been difficult for Australia to win but India could not make it.

I totally disagree with your statement because if India scored 300 plus then it will be like impossible for any team to chased such high target under pressure of final and some magnificent bowling of you opponent trio, no doubt Australian has good history in ICC ODI World Cup and they always done decent in last stages of World Cup but they way indian bowling get rythm through out the tournament and performing majestic performance will make really difficult for Australian to cross such high target on thier home ground. Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.

This exactly. Kohli's is like knot that holds the team together, I have seen someone argue here before that Kohli's SR was low and he was playing for personal milestones, I consider it incorrect, had Kohli been on crease for long while in finale we could have seen India easily score 300+ runs, and Rahul would not have played under pressure as he did.

@Bitcoin_people I don't think Australia would have been able to chase has score been 300+, India's bowling is destructive, with low score bowlers were under pressure too and it took away their freedom, we already saw Shami replacing Siraj.

There were no slip for spinners either (they were there momentarily then removed soon after), had they been there India could have gotten Travis Head early (two catches were in vain due to not having slips), then even this target would have been difficult chase for Aussies.

[HelliumZ]

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Anyway the unfortunate dismissal of Virat Kohli really change entire things for india because when he lose his wickets entire Indian team lose his confidence and Thier body language indicate that they already lose match before it actually come to end.

Australia winning the toss was crucial and the Australian fielding was really impressive and they were determined to win at any cost with the dedication they showed in the field while the Indian fielders were not that good and leaking runs, just look at the number of runs India gave in the form of extras and it was a turning track aiding the spinners and Ashwin who is one of the best spinners was not in the team.

India could not perform in the final match the way India performed in the remaining ten matches except the final. Mohammed Shami, Siraj, Bumrah could not continue the way they bowled in other matches in the final match. After all, India performed very badly in the three departments of fielding, bowling, batting, for which if a team does badly in all three areas, what can be expected except defeat.

[Sithara007]

India could not perform in the final match the way India performed in the remaining ten matches except the final. Mohammed Shami, Siraj, Bumrah could not continue the way they bowled in other matches in the final match. After all, India performed very badly in the three departments of fielding, bowling, batting, for which if a team does badly in all three areas, what can be expected except defeat.

No need to blame the pacers (Mohammed Shami, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj), when the batsmen failed to do their job. A total of 240 was never going to be enough, especially in a flat track such as the one they had at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad. A decent total was somewhere between 260 and 280, and a winnable total was more like 280 to 300. Australia won the toss and that proved to be very crucial. Indians were a bit overconfident, and that was evident in the manner which Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill batted.

[HelliumZ]

India could not perform in the final match the way India performed in the remaining ten matches except the final. Mohammed Shami, Siraj, Bumrah could not continue the way they bowled in other matches in the final match. After all, India performed very badly in the three departments of fielding, bowling, batting, for which if a team does badly in all three areas, what can be expected except defeat.

No need to blame the pacers (Mohammed Shami, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj), when the batsmen failed to do their job. A total of 240 was never going to be enough, especially in a flat track such as the one they had at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad. A decent total was somewhere between 260 and 280, and a winnable total was more like 280 to 300. Australia won the toss and that proved to be very crucial. Indians were a bit overconfident, and that was evident in the manner which Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill batted.

Yes I am Fully agree with your comments. In a match basically if a team cannot score enough runs to fight then there is nothing for the bowlers to do. Yes it is true that the bowlers were enough to defend 240 runs but if the opponent is Australia then it becomes very difficult. If India had set a target of 240 runs with Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, there is a chance to defend. In fact, the target of 240 runs was India's weak spot that day. However, nothing can be said to prepare India well for the upcoming 2027 World Cup.

[Juggy777]

India could not perform in the final match the way India performed in the remaining ten matches except the final. Mohammed Shami, Siraj, Bumrah could not continue the way they bowled in other matches in the final match. After all, India performed very badly in the three departments of fielding, bowling, batting, for which if a team does badly in all three areas, what can be expected except defeat.

No need to blame the pacers (Mohammed Shami, Jasprit Bumrah and Mohammed Siraj), when the batsmen failed to do their job. A total of 240 was never going to be enough, especially in a flat track such as the one they had at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad. A decent total was somewhere between 260 and 280, and a winnable total was more like 280 to 300. Australia won the toss and that proved to be very crucial. Indians were a bit overconfident, and that was evident in the manner which Rohit Sharma and Shubman Gill batted.

Yes I am Fully agree with your comments. In a match basically if a team cannot score enough runs to fight then there is nothing for the bowlers to do. Yes it is true that the bowlers were enough to defend 240 runs but if the opponent is Australia then it becomes very difficult. If India had set a target of 240 runs with Bangladesh or Sri Lanka, there is a chance to defend. In fact, the target of 240 runs was India's weak spot that day. However, nothing can be said to prepare India well for the upcoming 2027 World Cup.

@Helliumz in my personal opinion it felt like team India wasn’t interested in winning this match because they completely lacked the intent that Australia player’s showed and had they put in some more efforts then this would have been a real competitive match. Furthermore now I’m looking forward to the new team led by Pandya and Pant because these two can take a more aggressive approach and not surrender the match due to pressure.

[Fuso.hp]

The Ashes series win against England

A little correction. Australia did not win the Ashes in 2023. They just retained the trophy because the previous winner was Australia already. The Ashes series of 2023 was drawn. But, according to the Ashes rules, the previous series winner retained the trophy. I remember that England had terrible luck during the series. England could have won the 4th match but rain washed out the match.

Back to the main point. Australia played awesome in the last years but they did not play well against India right before the World Cup. Even they lost the first match against India in the group stage. But they have won the World Cup from there.

The Ashes series 2023 was drawn but Australia won the series in 2022 due to which Australia retained the Ashes series despite the draw this season.
Australia's early performance was not good at all. Australia played an ODI series against India before the start of the World Cup where Australia lost the first two matches by a big margin although they won the last match against India. After losing the first two matches against India, Australia also lost against India in the World Cup tournament and Australia lost a few more matches in the first leg. Due to Australia's poor performance in the beginning, we thought that Australia might not make it to the semi-finals, but in the end, Australia turned around brilliantly and that home stand took them to the World Cup.

[jasonjm]

@Helliumz in my personal opinion it felt like team India wasn’t interested in winning this match because they completely lacked the intent that Australia player’s showed and had they put in some more efforts then this would have been a real competitive match. Furthermore now I’m looking forward to the new team led by Pandya and Pant because these two can take a more aggressive approach and not surrender the match due to pressure.

They were very much interested in winning that final match, but Australia played well on their day. I still believed that with the form India was in, they should have won the World Cup, but unfortunately, they could not deliver on the biggest stage of World Cricket.
From the very start, after Rohit's dismissal, the Indian team looked under pressure. The Australian team had only one strategy; go hard or go home. They were putting pressure on every step of the way with their aggressive fielding and bowling. That partnership between Virat and Rahul was good, but they had not taken any chances and dried up the boundaries. This was the phase where Australia locked their victory.

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The final match was really incredible. Australia showed a surprise that day.  India played very well throughout the entire ICC World Cup and in every match India won the matches by a huge margin of runs. But coming to the final, Australia showed a good game, Shubman Gill, Shreyas Iyer, Ravindra jadeja, SKY all these players were dismissed by only a few runs.  In the game of cricket I think India has the most fans and most people predicted that India is going to win the World Cup this year. But India came to the final and showed a very poor performance. Australia had a very good preparation due to which Australia was able to play so well in the final. And they won this World Cup

As dominant as the Indian batsmen have been throughout the World Cup, no one expected the Indian team to face such a batting disaster against Australia in the final. India even won the first round match against Australia very easily. So everyone thought that the host India team was the favorite in the final match.

Apart from India's three experienced batsmen, Rohit, Kohli and Rahul, none of the batsmen can bat well. I expected a somewhat responsible performance from Suryakumar. But as usual he also cannot play big innings. The bowling of the Australian bowlers was very controlled. At the same time we must appreciate the captaincy of Pat Cummins. Pat Cummins has managed to use the right bowler at the right time. This is why the Indian batsmen were under a lot of pressure.

But it must be admitted that Australia prepared well for their batsmen as well as bowling. think how India set the target to just 240 runs. Although India could play full 50 overs but could not collect good runs. And Australia overcame that target with 43 for just 4 wickets there. And Australia won the match by 6 wickets. But if India had fielded without batting first, they would have had a lot of chances to win. But luckily Australia won the toss and they decided to field. Coming to the final match, India's game quality was poor and their luck were also work very bad. Due to this India lost the final match by playing the match in their home ground

Australia won the toss and decided to field first. India's strongest batsmen were bowled out for 240 runs by brilliant bowling. With a target of 241 runs, the Australian team came down to bat and got a shock at the beginning. After losing three wickets for 43 runs, the Australian team was under a bit of pressure. After that, Head took the lead of the team. With the great batting of Head, the Australian team began to get a glimpse of victory. Head made 137 runs from 120 balls. Undoubtedly, the Australian team bowled brilliantly as they managed to restrict a team like India to 240 runs.

Australia was behind South Africa in the points table and India and South Africa were far ahead in terms of points, meanwhile Australia went to the last minute and got a chance in the final and they beat India in the final match and became the champion.  It is a big achievement for them. India is a very good team in the game of cricket to beat that team so badly and win the match is a big thing. I always appreciate Australia's win like that. Australia won the match by 6 wickets which was a truly remarkable victory.

Initially, Australia did not do much better in matches where South Africa were in a better position than India from the start. But it was really interesting that the Australian team got a great victory in this World Cup by beating South Africa and getting to the final instead. Although we have seen that India have won each of their matches by a great margin from the opposing teams, but in the final match against Australia they played very badly. The five-time world champion team, Australia, won the World Cup for the sixth time with an outstanding performance against India in the final match. No one could have imagined that Australia would present such a beautiful game to everyone, but I appreciate the Australian team, who defeated India at the Indian ground and became world champions for six times.

[Sithara007]

They were very much interested in winning that final match, but Australia played well on their day. I still believed that with the form India was in, they should have won the World Cup, but unfortunately, they could not deliver on the biggest stage of World Cricket.

From the very start, after Rohit's dismissal, the Indian team looked under pressure. The Australian team had only one strategy; go hard or go home. They were putting pressure on every step of the way with their aggressive fielding and bowling. That partnership between Virat and Rahul was good, but they had not taken any chances and dried up the boundaries. This was the phase where Australia locked their victory.

The partnership between Virat and Rahul stabilized the Indian innings. But after sometime, they had to step up the scoring rate, which they failed to do. During middle overs, India was scoring at around 3 runs per over, and that too against part-time bowlers such as Glenn Maxwell and Travis Head. And when finally they decided to accelerate, Virat got out and the innings simply collapsed. Also, horribly disappointed with Suryakumar Yadav. He was supposed to score valuable runs under pressure situations, but he failed when it mattered the most.

[Fuso.hp]

Initially, Australia did not do much better in matches where South Africa were in a better position than India from the start. But it was really interesting that the Australian team got a great victory in this World Cup by beating South Africa and getting to the final instead. Although we have seen that India have won each of their matches by a great margin from the opposing teams, but in the final match against Australia they played very badly. The five-time world champion team, Australia, won the World Cup for the sixth time with an outstanding performance against India in the final match. No one could have imagined that Australia would present such a beautiful game to everyone, but I appreciate the Australian team, who defeated India at the Indian ground and became world champions for six times.

The Indian batsmen may not have been able to take the extra pressure of the final match naturally as the Australian bowlers have not bowled very well. In the final match Australian bowlers had average bowling quality but Indian batsmen were more nervous that's why they could not deal well with the average quality ball. Rohit Sharma gave a good start, after Rohit Sharma's dismissal the top order batsmen should have done a bit better. If the top-order batsmen could have done a bit better, India's final finish would have been better. 

In the match India lost against Australia, there is no specific person to blame but the batsmen's combined poor performance which led to the team's loss. If India's opponent in the final match was South Africa or New Zealand instead of Australia, then India would have won this match.

[roksana.hee]

The defeat of the Indian cricket team in the final match against Australia can be attributed to various reasons. While the Australian bowlers displayed only average bowling quality, the Indian batsmen seemed to give away to the pressure of the importantl match. Despite Rohit Sharma providing a solid start, the top-order batsmen failed to capitalize on it. The collective nervousness of the Indian batsmen resulted in struggles against what was deemed average-quality bowling.

[Cheema02]

The defeat of the Indian cricket team in the final match against Australia can be attributed to various reasons. While the Australian bowlers displayed only average bowling quality, the Indian batsmen seemed to give away to the pressure of the importantl match. Despite Rohit Sharma providing a solid start, the top-order batsmen failed to capitalize on it. The collective nervousness of the Indian batsmen resulted in struggles against what was deemed average-quality bowling.

Right, the body language of Australian team is different they didn't take any pressure of final match of world cup. After winning the toss they decided bowl that a brilliant decision and picked the wicket of Shubman Gill that make huge impact after Rohit Sharma outstanding catch travis head. Virat kholi played sensible innings but unfortunately bad luck out by pat Cummins. Australia captain bowling changing decison was amazing they bring maxwell early in powerful and they picked the big wicket of indian captain Rohit Sharma and put all pressure of other bastmen. Australia chase down target was also outstanding especially travis head they played brilliant and helped to win world cup for Australia.

[roksana.hee]

Right, the body language of Australian team is different they didn't take any pressure of final match of world cup. After winning the toss they decided bowl that a brilliant decision and picked the wicket of Shubman Gill that make huge impact after Rohit Sharma outstanding catch travis head. Virat kholi played sensible innings but unfortunately bad luck out by pat Cummins. Australia captain bowling changing decison was amazing they bring maxwell early in powerful and they picked the big wicket of indian captain Rohit Sharma and put all pressure of other bastmen. Australia chase down target was also outstanding especially travis head they played brilliant and helped to win world cup for Australia.

Certainly!  The Australian cricket team displayed a distinct and confident body language in the final match of the World Cup 2023, showing no signs of pressure. Opting to bowl after winning the toss proved to be a brilliant decision as they quickly secured the wicket of Shubman Gill, with an exceptional catch by Travis Head following Rohit Sharma's outstanding catch. Despite Virat Kohli's sensible innings, bad luck struck as he was dismissed by Pat Cummins. Australia's captain made a strategic bowling change by introducing Maxwell early, a decision that paid off as they successfully dismissed Indian captain Rohit Sharma, putting immense pressure on the remaining batsmen.

[noormcs5]

The defeat of the Indian cricket team in the final match against Australia can be attributed to various reasons. While the Australian bowlers displayed only average bowling quality, the Indian batsmen seemed to give away to the pressure of the importantl match. Despite Rohit Sharma providing a solid start, the top-order batsmen failed to capitalize on it. The collective nervousness of the Indian batsmen resulted in struggles against what was deemed average-quality bowling.

Right, the body language of Australian team is different they didn't take any pressure of final match of world cup. After winning the toss they decided bowl that a brilliant decision and picked the wicket of Shubman Gill that make huge impact after Rohit Sharma outstanding catch travis head. Virat kholi played sensible innings but unfortunately bad luck out by pat Cummins. Australia captain bowling changing decison was amazing they bring maxwell early in powerful and they picked the big wicket of indian captain Rohit Sharma and put all pressure of other bastmen. Australia chase down target was also outstanding especially travis head they played brilliant and helped to win world cup for Australia.

Some people say that the pitch was difficult to bat in the first innings when India was batting and it became easier to bat as the day progressed. I don't buy in this excuse because it was Travis Head who outplayed the India bowling attack completely. Also, no one is talking about Marnus Labuschagne who silently played an innings of 58 runs in 110 balls and since he did not lose his wicket, there was no opportunity for the Indian bowlers to get a breakthrough and expose the rest of the Australian batting line up.

It was Australia who dominated the match on that day and they got the well deserved World Cup victory. All points to the Australian team for coming up with a plan on the final day and executing it perfectly.

[roksana.hee]

Some people say that the pitch was difficult to bat in the first innings when India was batting and it became easier to bat as the day progressed. I don't buy in this excuse because it was Travis Head who outplayed the India bowling attack completely. Also, no one is talking about Marnus Labuschagne who silently played an innings of 58 runs in 110 balls and since he did not lose his wicket, there was no opportunity for the Indian bowlers to get a breakthrough and expose the rest of the Australian batting line up.

It was Australia who dominated the match on that day and they got the well deserved World Cup victory. All points to the Australian team for coming up with a plan on the final day and executing it perfectly.

I can say that it's essential to highlight their well-devised plan on the final day and its flawless execution. The focus should shift from excuses about the pitch to recognizing the skill and strategy displayed by the Australian team, which ultimately earned them a well-deserved World Cup victory. The credit lies in their effective game plan rather than any alleged advantage gained from changing pitch conditions. The victory can be attributed to Australia's cricketing prowess and their ability to adapt and execute under pressure.

[HelliumZ]

The defeat of the Indian cricket team in the final match against Australia can be attributed to various reasons. While the Australian bowlers displayed only average bowling quality, the Indian batsmen seemed to give away to the pressure of the importantl match. Despite Rohit Sharma providing a solid start, the top-order batsmen failed to capitalize on it. The collective nervousness of the Indian batsmen resulted in struggles against what was deemed average-quality bowling.

No matter how much you blame the bowlers, I don't see any fault with the bowlers. If the bowlers were given a big run target they would have done well enough but I don't think it is reasonable to lay claim on Mohammad Sami, Mohammad Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah, Jadejad on a target of 240 runs. The fault is mainly the extreme failure of the batters and the batting disaster.

[2Pizza410000BTC]

If we remember the final of the Asia Cup, we can see there that India bowled out Sri Lanka by 60 runs in the final match. But who knew that his streak would happen in the 2023 World Cup final with India vs Australia. By winning the Asia Cup, the confidence of the Indian team increased many times. India has won ten consecutive matches with power. But in the final match, the Indian team was bowled out for just 240 runs. If Shubman Gill had not been out, Australia would have been able to target around 300 runs in the final match. Australia bowled brilliantly in the final match. Australia's fielding was amazing. If we watch the game carefully, many players have done great fielding. Australia team has saved around 40 runs by fielding. The Australian team tasted its sixth championship thanks to their excellent bowling and batting.

Australia fielding was more improved then all previous matches. In the round matches Australia drops so many catches. You said only saving runs and didn't talk about ROHIT SHARMA catches taken by Travis Head. This catch was very difficult and from here I think match direction changes. ROHIT SHARMA was looking very dangerous. He was in extreme aggressive form. If he had play full powerplay then 300 runs is expected. BTW both team played well and no player should be blamed for India lost. Many team didn't even reached to qualifing round.

India played way well winning all 10 matches expect the most important final of worl cup. I think its a bad day for indian cricket and for Rohit Sharma and Virat kholi also beacuse they played almost their last world cup. I feel sad for Rohit Sharma he played very aggressively scored fast 47 runs in just 31 balls and unfortunately miss his half century by 3 runs short. Australia fielding and captaincy was amazing they played relly well in final especially travis head what a player he it such a match winner on big day for Australia.

They play aggressive cricket in the final match. Generally what we see with Indian batsmen is that they gradually increase their scores. At first they try to settle in the field and later they roar. But the opposite is seen in Final match. After falling few wickets the batsmen tried but they could not hold on their wickets. Luck did not favor them either, the top order batsmen were not good either. After winning 10 matches in a row, when you have to lose in the final, the depression will be high for everyone. At the end of the match we saw how bad the Indian batsmen felt.

Whenever Australia won the toss and decided to bowl instead of batting, I thought Australia would make an example today. That's right, they preyed on India's top-order batsmen early on. This put India under pressure and at one stage managed to score 240 for all the wickets. I can't say whether India had bad luck here but they didn't perform very well in the final against Australia. In this World Cup, they went unbeaten in every match at home and qualified for the finals, but their worst performance there resulted in them losing to Australia in the final. I will never regret this loss as India did not perform well in this final.

[Fuso.hp]

The defeat of the Indian cricket team in the final match against Australia can be attributed to various reasons. While the Australian bowlers displayed only average bowling quality, the Indian batsmen seemed to give away to the pressure of the importantl match. Despite Rohit Sharma providing a solid start, the top-order batsmen failed to capitalize on it. The collective nervousness of the Indian batsmen resulted in struggles against what was deemed average-quality bowling.

Right, the body language of Australian team is different they didn't take any pressure of final match of world cup. After winning the toss they decided bowl that a brilliant decision and picked the wicket of Shubman Gill that make huge impact after Rohit Sharma outstanding catch travis head. Virat kholi played sensible innings but unfortunately bad luck out by pat Cummins. Australia captain bowling changing decison was amazing they bring maxwell early in powerful and they picked the big wicket of indian captain Rohit Sharma and put all pressure of other bastmen. Australia chase down target was also outstanding especially travis head they played brilliant and helped to win world cup for Australia.

Australia took the final match against India as usual like all the other matches but India could not do the same, India put a lot of pressure in the final match of the World Cup. Most of the players in the India team were new to this World Cup but most of the Australian players had played in the 2019 World Cup and the Australian players were far ahead in terms of experience compared to the Indian players. Big tournaments like this require a lot of experience. The more experience a player has, the easier he can handle difficult situations. Australia used their experience and did not take too much pressure in the final match which led to an easy win against India.

[God bless u]

The defeat of the Indian cricket team in the final match against Australia can be attributed to various reasons. While the Australian bowlers displayed only average bowling quality, the Indian batsmen seemed to give away to the pressure of the importantl match. Despite Rohit Sharma providing a solid start, the top-order batsmen failed to capitalize on it. The collective nervousness of the Indian batsmen resulted in struggles against what was deemed average-quality bowling.

No matter how much you blame the bowlers, I don't see any fault with the bowlers. If the bowlers were given a big run target they would have done well enough but I don't think it is reasonable to lay claim on Mohammad Sami, Mohammad Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah, Jadejad on a target of 240 runs. The fault is mainly the extreme failure of the batters and the batting disaster.

People want players to perform better in all matches. If any bowler couldn't able to pick wicket despite of tough bowling then its mean the batsmen is more strategic and despite of crictism bowler we should appreciate batsmen. We want our favorite team win every match but it will not happen every time. Indian bowlers Muhammad Shamiz, Muhammad Siraj, Bumrah, Kuldeep and Jadeja bowling performance in this tournament was better than all team. In final Match Shami also gives break through and at start Indai chances of winning was high but Head was the player who stand there and make a history.

[roksana.hee]

No matter how much you blame the bowlers, I don't see any fault with the bowlers. If the bowlers were given a big run target they would have done well enough but I don't think it is reasonable to lay claim on Mohammad Sami, Mohammad Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah, Jadejad on a target of 240 runs. The fault is mainly the extreme failure of the batters and the batting disaster.

The primary issue lies in the drastic underperformance of the batters, describing it as an "extreme failure" and a "batting disaster." I think that had the batsmen managed to set a higher run target, the bowlers would have had a better chance to excel. In essence, the batting lineup is responsible for the defeat, emphasizing that the inadequate target set by the batters was the root cause of the team's overall struggle in the match. Rohit, Virat is the protagonist of this defeat, not Mohammad Sami, Mohammad Siraj and Jasprit Bumrah, Jadeja.