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May 15, 2020, 06:01:49 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

He did, we donated him to do, so what is your problem?

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May 15, 2020, 06:05:42 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

For me it is no different than pool owners/operators (or anyone else) asking for donations - except there was never an ask made.  This was grassroots to support a pool and programmer who has done a lot for miners.  

There was never an expectation or ask - just a collection of funds from supporters of a pool.

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May 15, 2020, 06:06:35 PM
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this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

Because they are free to make contributions if they want to.  It's all documented in the last 3 or 4 pages of this thread.

Why do Tax Payers in the US pay for football stadiums?  At least the folks here have the opportunity to decide for themselves on how they want to spend their money.

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May 15, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

Where did it say that we had to pay to the update hardware?  are you just trolling?  im sure everybody here makes their own decisions and dont need someone to speak on our behalf.
-ck was going to shut down all pools.  us here who play lottery only wanted him to keep up solo, because maybe our current gear is not worth pointing to unlucky pools.  we all know our
risks, decide on our own, and send btc to whoever we want.

anyways what are you trying to get at? do you have a pool and want us to join it?  or do you want us to go to a certain pool?  are you trying to watch out for us? keep us safe?

your comments just dont make sense.
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May 15, 2020, 06:09:40 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

He did, we donated him to do, so what is your problem?

again, when did I say I had a problem? I only asked why would they? In my own reasoning I think they should not - I was asking for reasons why they should. Again, no where do I say I have a problem with it.


curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

For me it is no different than pool owners/operators (or anyone else) asking for donations - except there was never an ask made.  This was grassroots to support a pool and programmer who has done a lot for miners.  

There was never an expectation or ask - just a collection of funds from supporters of a pool.

I guess this is what I have never seen - I have never seen a pool that asks for donations - and in this case neither did CK.

curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

Where did it say that we had to pay to the update hardware?  are you just trolling?  im sure everybody here makes their own decisions and dont need someone to speak on our behalf.
-ck was going to shut down all pools.  us here who play lottery only wanted him to keep up solo, because maybe our current gear is not worth pointing to unlucky pools.  we all know our
risks, decide on our own, and send btc to whoever we want.

anyways what are you trying to get at? do you have a pool and want us to join it?  or do you want us to go to a certain pool?  are you trying to watch out for us? keep us safe?

your comments just dont make sense.

why does everyone someone ask a question are they accused of being a troll?

sigh never mind. from the thread, the way I understood it was that if the servers were to be upgraded it would have to be at the expense of someone else other than CK - that was the way I understood it.

I was simply asking why would people pay to do so? I myself could not imagine doing it myself - So I wanted to simply know why others would - if that is too hard to answer (because all anyone has done is attack me for asking lol) then never mind.

from the beginning I said I had no qualms with anyone doing so - I simply did not understand it.

my comments might make sense if they were read as questions and not as attacks Smiley

so Again - kudos to the miners that contributed to keep the pool open. and I wish everyone luck in finding a block - especially myself as I also stated my r606 is on the solo pool.

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May 15, 2020, 06:17:27 PM
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Where did it say that we had to pay to the update hardware?

I'm the one that said that in one of my replies.  Isn't that what happened?  New, more powerful server in a new datacenter?  Sorry if that is not correct.

I'm also happy to see the solo pool will be staying for the foreseeable future.

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May 15, 2020, 06:29:15 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

He did, we donated him to do, so what is your problem?

again, when did I say I had a problem? I only asked why would they? In my own reasoning I think they should not - I was asking for reasons why they should. Again, no where do I say I have a problem with it.


curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

For me it is no different than pool owners/operators (or anyone else) asking for donations - except there was never an ask made.  This was grassroots to support a pool and programmer who has done a lot for miners.  

There was never an expectation or ask - just a collection of funds from supporters of a pool.

I guess this is what I have never seen - I have never seen a pool that asks for donations - and in this case neither did CK.

curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

Nobody HAD to.  They decided to pay for updated hardware.  Read back in the thread as the answer is quite clear.

this I get - but why should the pool miners pay for updated hardware vs the pool operator - who should be the one to do so, or am I wrong?

Where did it say that we had to pay to the update hardware?  are you just trolling?  im sure everybody here makes their own decisions and dont need someone to speak on our behalf.
-ck was going to shut down all pools.  us here who play lottery only wanted him to keep up solo, because maybe our current gear is not worth pointing to unlucky pools.  we all know our
risks, decide on our own, and send btc to whoever we want.

anyways what are you trying to get at? do you have a pool and want us to join it?  or do you want us to go to a certain pool?  are you trying to watch out for us? keep us safe?

your comments just dont make sense.

I was simply asking why would people pay to do so? I myself could not imagine doing it myself - So I wanted to simply know why others would - if that is too hard to answer (because all anyone has done is attack me for asking lol) then never mind.

from the beginning I said I had no qualms with anyone doing so - I simply did not understand it.

Ok, don't know where to start with all the replies! But first, think about a "pool" ... "solo-pool" isn't able to pay server fees and a little bit tip to -ck !!!   ... what you think ... shut down!  Smiley ... right! know, ... there are people (like me) who still like to have a chance to hit a block!!! Even if it's only one Block in about 1 : 1000 years   or 1:100 years  (depending on the climate!) .....    so, we donate some bucks to the pool!  (ok, i donate in the future, but also a lot in the past!) ... where is the problem about this??? Whe like a chance, better then none  Wink peace
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why does everyone someone ask a question are they accused of being a troll?

sigh never mind. from the thread, the way I understood it was that if the servers were to be upgraded it would have to be at the expense of someone else other than CK - that was the way I understood it.

I was simply asking why would people pay to do so? I myself could not imagine doing it myself - So I wanted to simply know why others would - if that is too hard to answer (because all anyone has done is attack me for asking lol) then never mind.

from the beginning I said I had no qualms with anyone doing so - I simply did not understand it.

my comments might make sense if they were read as questions and not as attacks Smiley

so Again - kudos to the miners that contributed to keep the pool open. and I wish everyone luck in finding a block - especially myself as I also stated my r606 is on the solo pool.

Do you solo mine here?  You do as by your own admission.  Did you donate? No

I ask for donations to any that want to pay them. In any amount they want to pay.

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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

I think to answer Stryfe's question and to put the best construction on it we have to realize and admit that a solo pool is no longer profitable nor maintainable out of it's own resources.  But a solo pool is still very beneficial to the entire community.  We all should have a solo pool in our failover list.  Solo mining for the individual is very difficult these days so having access to this solo pool is very beneficial to all.

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May 15, 2020, 06:46:56 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

I think to answer Stryfe's question and to put the best construction on it we have to realize and admit that a solo pool is no longer profitable nor maintainable out of it's own resources.  But a solo pool is still very beneficial to the entire community.  We all should have a solo pool in our failover list.  Solo mining for the individual is very difficult these days so having access to this solo pool is very beneficial to all.

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May 15, 2020, 07:02:01 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

I think to answer Stryfe's question and to put the best construction on it we have to realize and admit that a solo pool is no longer profitable nor maintainable out of it's own resources.  But a solo pool is still very beneficial to the entire community.  We all should have a solo pool in our failover list.  Solo mining for the individual is very difficult these days so having access to this solo pool is very beneficial to all.

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May 15, 2020, 07:04:39 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?

I think to answer Stryfe's question and to put the best construction on it we have to realize and admit that a solo pool is no longer profitable nor maintainable out of it's own resources.  But a solo pool is still very beneficial to the entire community.  We all should have a solo pool in our failover list.  Solo mining for the individual is very difficult these days so having access to this solo pool is very beneficial to all.

This is one of 2 reasons I pushed to help get a solo pool fund.

The other is at least ½ the hash is rented and ck gets zero for that.

Nicehash makes out along with mining rig rentals.

I would be willing to say they have earned more money from this pool then ck has .

if part of the cost is paying 3-5% to nicehash up front when you rent.  they donating a fraction to ck is only fair.

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May 15, 2020, 07:21:36 PM
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curious - why would the miners have to pay to have the pool open?
I would be willing to say they have earned more money from this pool then ck has .

if part of the cost is paying 3-5% to nicehash up front when you rent.  they donating a fraction to ck is only fair.

Ok. Looks about right, but where is the problem???   Whe need NiceHash ATM ... nothing bad about it... i hope so !?

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May 15, 2020, 07:27:00 PM
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sigh nevermind - I dont think anyone can understand my question.

I will state it one more time (already have at least half a dozen times) I do not have any issue with people donating to a pool.

I am simply asking why would they? Is there an incentive for them? do they get a lower fee? do they get part of the pool profits?

I am not being hateful or spiteful - but quite a few here are - telling me to shut up, calling me a troll etc etc.

again - was curious if there was some benefit to contributing or what not.

Relax folks and mine on!

also @phil easy brother! Again I have no issues - as for the renting of hash - it matters nothing to the pool does it? rented hash is the same as non-rented hash - the pool gets their cut when a block is found so rented hash is also to the pool operators benefit as much as it is to the benefit of those that rent it (well if a block is found, right?)

Again - let's lose the anger folks! if my questions offend - realize this, they were not intended to - and ease up a bit. Smile too - you will live longer  Smiley

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sigh nevermind - I dont think anyone can understand my question.

I will state it one more time (already have at least half a dozen times) I do not have any issue with people donating to a pool.

I am simply asking why would they? Is there an incentive for them? do they get a lower fee? do they get part of the pool profits?

I am not being hateful or spiteful - but quite a few here are - telling me to shut up, calling me a troll etc etc.

again - was curious if there was some benefit to contributing or what not.

Relax folks and mine on!

also @phil easy brother! Again I have no issues - as for the renting of hash - it matters nothing to the pool does it? rented hash is the same as non-rented hash - the pool gets their cut when a block is found so rented hash is also to the pool operators benefit as much as it is to the benefit of those that rent it (well if a block is found, right?)

Again - let's lose the anger folks! if my questions offend - realize this, they were not intended to - and ease up a bit. Smile too - you will live longer  Smiley

There are no direct benefits ($$/discounts/profits), except for the fact that the pool stays operational and we have a chance to hit a block. Now, with the new server, the pool is better than ever!

CK has stated plenty of times in the past that the servers used were getting old and that he was not even breaking even for the past several years. There is no reason for CK alone to bear the cost/burden when we all use the services. Base on this, and faced with the fact the pool was shutting down, all that could chipped in and donated.

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I will state it one more time (already have at least half a dozen times) I do not have any issue with people donating to a pool.
I am simply asking why would they? Is there an incentive for them? do they get a lower fee? do they get part of the pool profits?

Smile too - you will live longer  Smiley

Why not open up a new topic, instead of posting this question here?

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I am simply asking why would they? Is there an incentive for them? do they get a lower fee? do they get part of the pool profits?
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again - was curious if there was some benefit to contributing or what not.

Do you understand meaning of word donation? None of your questions is valid, simply because of "donation" word definition.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Donations are given without return consideration.

If anytime in future -ck comes here with something like "Membership upgrade", well, then these are valid questions, but this is not the case.
BTW ckpool is fully opensource, you can fork it now and start your own pool, if you think you can can fully pay the required resources from 2% of found block.
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sigh nevermind - I dont think anyone can understand my question.

I will state it one more time (already have at least half a dozen times) I do not have any issue with people donating to a pool.

I am simply asking why would they? Is there an incentive for them? do they get a lower fee? do they get part of the pool profits?

I am not being hateful or spiteful - but quite a few here are - telling me to shut up, calling me a troll etc etc.

again - was curious if there was some benefit to contributing or what not.

Relax folks and mine on!

also @phil easy brother! Again I have no issues - as for the renting of hash - it matters nothing to the pool does it? rented hash is the same as non-rented hash - the pool gets their cut when a block is found so rented hash is also to the pool operators benefit as much as it is to the benefit of those that rent it (well if a block is found, right?)

Again - let's lose the anger folks! if my questions offend - realize this, they were not intended to - and ease up a bit. Smile too - you will live longer  Smiley

There are no direct benefits ($$/discounts/profits), except for the fact that the pool stays operational and we have a chance to hit a block. Now, with the new server, the pool is better than ever!

CK has stated plenty of times in the past that the servers used were getting old and that he was not even breaking even for the past several years. There is no reason for CK alone to bear the cost/burden when we all use the services. Base on this, and faced with the fact the pool was shutting down, all that could chipped in and donated.



and this is the answer I was looking for! thank you!

I will state it one more time (already have at least half a dozen times) I do not have any issue with people donating to a pool.
I am simply asking why would they? Is there an incentive for them? do they get a lower fee? do they get part of the pool profits?

Smile too - you will live longer  Smiley

Why not open up a new topic, instead of posting this question here?

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um why not here? this is after all the thread for that pool - makes 100% perfect sense to post the question here. anyways, someone finally took the time to answer the question so I got my answer  Smiley have a great day!


I am simply asking why would they? Is there an incentive for them? do they get a lower fee? do they get part of the pool profits?
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again - was curious if there was some benefit to contributing or what not.

Do you understand meaning of word donation? None of your questions is valid, simply because of "donation" word definition.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Donations are given without return consideration.

If anytime in future -ck comes here with something like "Membership upgrade", well, then these are valid questions, but this is not the case.
BTW ckpool is fully opensource, you can fork it now and start your own pool, if you think you can can fully pay the required resources from 2% of found block.


yes I understand the meaning of the word lol but quite often - more than not - donations usually lead to or result in benefits as well. Besides, I only asked. Never realized it would cause so much hostility.
but I did get an answer so as stated above, thanks! and have a great day!

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@Stryfe, I understand your question, it's a legit one, the way you asked it was not perfect IMO, hence the replies you got  Grin, but by all means, the question is pretty legit.

Let me give you a different answer, running a solo pool is not profitable, the proof is even antpool stopped their solo pool last year, who else would we trust ? the only alternative I can think of would be bsod.pw, i had a few (none btc) blocks that were paid, sadly no BTC block was ever found by them, so hard to know if their BTC solo even works, the other options are pretty hard to trust.

Mining solo is risky, the pool can lie to you about anything, it would be hard to prove anything against them, so you need to trust the pool operator, for obvious reasons most of us trust CK, now regardless of how much BTC he owns, why would he run a losing business? no incentives to do that, if I was him, I would shut the pool down, but we suggested that maybe we can donate to keep the pool up and running and he agreed, so we actually pay to get a decent solo pool which is owned by a trusted person who will not steal the block and say oh sorry something went wrong, go figure.

This is more like supply and demand, if we had a better option, nobody would have bothered with the pool going offline, but since this is a great pool which we all love, we decided to keep it alive, so miners are happy and CK is happy, all good.

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Thanks guys.

I think the answer has been laid out for you. I did not ask for the pool's running fees, and I definitely did not ask for donations.I was planning to close the pool because I was making nothing from it, yet I was exposing myself to risk because I took it upon myself to be open about issues that I had with the pool. However the community wanted the solo pool to continue so I said I would keep it open as a not-for-profit community pool with a seriously trimmed down version of the existing hardware (and in one location only.) The community then said they wanted better hardware/location etc. and I said I couldn't afford that but they all offered to chip in and pay for it. The pool fee will amount to 2% of probably 1 maybe 2 blocks per year. I wouldn't want to maintain a pool with the time, effort, and heartache that provides, with it not even covering the cost of running but they all offered to pay for it because they wanted it. I don't mind maintaining a not-for-profit pool if I'm not paying out of my pocket for it, nor exposing myself to risk by running it. Not many pool operators would give a quote for how much their server costs to run and expose all their code for free to the public, in addition to running it for no profit. The 2% fee would be some recompense for my time - I even offered to remove the fee entirely but they all insisted I leave it and perhaps increase it. I've said before I don't need donations, and I still don't. The community support is the only reason I decided to keep the pool running. It IS fun to run a pool for the community.

So long story short, once upon a time the solo pool was partly run for fun, and partly for me to make profit, and it stopped making profit more than a couple of years ago. I decided to therefore close it down, but the community wanted the same pool to continue as effectively a community-funded project but with me running it so they all forked out to make it happen which made me happy to continue running it.

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