French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1)

[AakZaki]

It is very likely that Mbappe will remain for this season but Messi will surely leave, because I believe he has played his last match in the club. If Mbappe stays and they reinforce the team with good players that are not super star, the team will be balanced but congesting one team with 3  super stars.
If Neymar leaves, Messi leaves and 5 new and good players are added to the team for reinforcement, I believe PsG will have good results for the next season champions league.

So far the quality of Ligue 1 has not been able to compete with other leagues to reach the top of the UCL champions. It is evident, the power of money is still quite difficult to get a champion instantly. Neymar, Messi and Mbaape they are good but don't have hard work. It seems that they are too comfortable with a large salary. It seems that they have to change the mentality of the players to work hard. As for the League, they have had many titles. They just need to improve the quality for UCL.

[naira]

The lens could have a closer race with PSG because this season PSG was not in a good mood at all and they had too much bad atmoshpire in this team I think if Lens wants to have better performance in the next season they mnusty invest much more for their team.

I also hope so and want to see Lens' performance next season much better than this season, but the real concern lies in consistency and most clubs that manage to finish in Runner-up will find it difficult to maintain it in the following season, especially because Lens is not one of the clubs that often finishing in the top four in the League and the luck factor this season may not be repeated next season. If they don't carry out a major overhaul by bringing in several new players it will be difficult to maintain a position like this season and Lens will also play in the Champions League next season.

PSG are in a state of insecurity and many of their current stars want to leave the club, but if you look at their financial capabilities it shouldn't be a big problem. Jose Mourinho is reportedly going to accept an offer to coach PSG although until now there has been no further clarity, they have also brought in several new players and I am sure they will be looking for other players to replace some of their departed stars.

Losing several important keys in PSG's game strategy will certainly have a big impact on their performance next season. Messi and Sergio Ramos have left, and Neymar has reportedly left as well, now Mbappe will experience hard work which is quite troublesome, several supporting players who always help every time he appears do not rule out the possibility that Mbappe will experience a slight setback. If Madrid offer at that time made him take the right decision, then his fate would not be like this. Taking on a heavy duty at PSG is not easy, even though Messi is still there does not guarantee that PSG will continue to benefit. Lens' position greatly benefits because he can take advantage of PSG unstable situation both in terms of play and players.

[hd49728]

Losing several important keys in PSG's game strategy will certainly have a big impact on their performance next season. Messi and Sergio Ramos have left, and Neymar has reportedly left as well, now Mbappe will experience hard work which is quite troublesome, several supporting players who always help every time he appears do not rule out the possibility that Mbappe will experience a slight setback

Finally Mbappe gets what he wanted in last few seasons. He became a only and biggest super star in PSG after Messi and likely Neymar departures. Now he will have a bigger responsibility to carry PSG to titles. He will have to show that he is able to shine without Messi and Neymar.

It is time for Mbappe to show his talent and high ego.

If Madrid offer at that time made him take the right decision, then his fate would not be like this. Taking on a heavy duty at PSG is not easy, even though Messi is still there does not guarantee that PSG will continue to benefit. Lens' position greatly benefits because he can take advantage of PSG unstable situation both in terms of play and players.

I did not read that Real Madrid have ever returned with a new offer for Mbappe after the last summer. Even latest days when Benzema confirmed that he will leave Real Madrid and end his contract with Real Madrid one season ahead of the contract expiration.

[Awaklara]

Finally Mbappe gets what he wanted in last few seasons. He became a only and biggest super star in PSG after Messi and likely Neymar departures. Now he will have a bigger responsibility to carry PSG to titles. He will have to show that he is able to shine without Messi and Neymar.

It is time for Mbappe to show his talent and high ego.

Mbappe is indeed a player with good talent. but with him going to shine alone at PSG, I'm not sure it can lead PSG to the Champions League title they want. even with Neymar and Messi in the team, PSG is also having problems in the UCL. and it will not be easy to force Mbappe to fend for himself up front.
PSG will definitely make several player purchases to support Mbappe on the front lines.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Finally Mbappe gets what he wanted in last few seasons. He became a only and biggest super star in PSG after Messi and likely Neymar departures. Now he will have a bigger responsibility to carry PSG to titles. He will have to show that he is able to shine without Messi and Neymar.

It is time for Mbappe to show his talent and high ego.

Mbappe is indeed a player with good talent. but with him going to shine alone at PSG, I'm not sure it can lead PSG to the Champions League title they want. even with Neymar and Messi in the team, PSG is also having problems in the UCL. and it will not be easy to force Mbappe to fend for himself up front.
PSG will definitely make several player purchases to support Mbappe on the front lines.

There is no doubt that Mbappe is a great player. But he is selfish. And that's why the attacking performance of the PSG team was not very good. PSG will certainly be looking for replacements for Messi and Neymar next season. And if Mbappe can't build a good relationship with them, winning the Ligue 1 title will be challenging for PSG. Winning the Ligue 1 title was not easy for PSG this season either. A stable squad is essential to perform well in a competitive platform like the Champions League. PSG's squad is not stable. It is unlikely that PSG will do well in the Champions League next season.

[rahmad2nd]

Speaking of Nagelsmann, I much prefer him over Galtier, Nagelsmann is a young coach who carries modern football. it doesn't matter what the French public thinks, but what is certain is that he has the capacity as a potential coach. that is why, Nagelsmann was targeted by several big clubs.

So far, there is only information that PSG is in talks with Nagelsmann, and this could possibly be a profitable deal for both parties, since PSG with Nagelsmann can become significantly faster, which they lacked with Galtier. PSG have good financial resources, so I have no doubt that they will be able to make a good offer. But first, we should wait for official information, because so far it just looks like a rumor.

According to a news source identified by French newspaper L'Equipe, PSG have made former Bayern Munich boss Julian Nagelsmann their favorite candidate to take the job at Parc des Princess. As reported in the same news, Paris Saint-Germain are already in talks with Nagelsmann to take the job at Parc des Princess and it is reported that talks have reached an advanced stage. besides that, Nagelsmann reportedly wants to bring Thierry Hanry as his assistant coach in the French capital. unfortunately, it seems that Hanry is not interested in the offer. well, based on some of the references that I gathered. plus, referring to prominent journalist Fabrizio Romano. it seems, It is highly probable that both parties reach an agreement. although, there are several other prospective coach candidates who are also predicted to train PSG.

But IMO, ideally, PSG needs a coach who is rich in tactics like Julian Nagelsmann. besides being smart, it also has a style and system that is quite unique. well, the problem is whether Nagesmann will accept the offer to become PSG coach. as we know, that PSG has always had problems in the locker room. this too, could be a challenge as well as a test for Nagelsmann if he was at the Parc des Princess. to be honest, I want to see how far Nagelsmann's ability can bring PSG. hopefully, PSG and Nagelsmann reach an agreement.

[Hvdv]

Speaking of Nagelsmann, I much prefer him over Galtier, Nagelsmann is a young coach who carries modern football. it doesn't matter what the French public thinks, but what is certain is that he has the capacity as a potential coach. that is why, Nagelsmann was targeted by several big clubs.

So far, there is only information that PSG is in talks with Nagelsmann, and this could possibly be a profitable deal for both parties, since PSG with Nagelsmann can become significantly faster, which they lacked with Galtier. PSG have good financial resources, so I have no doubt that they will be able to make a good offer. But first, we should wait for official information, because so far it just looks like a rumor.

If Nagelsmann joins PSG, I'm sure he will make transfers from the Bundesliga. After Neymar and Messi are gone, PSG, which will be missing as an Offensive, needs players to direct its attacks. Nagelsmann is a successful and young manager. I am sure he will be very successful if he joins PSG.

[klidex]

Finally Mbappe gets what he wanted in last few seasons. He became a only and biggest super star in PSG after Messi and likely Neymar departures. Now he will have a bigger responsibility to carry PSG to titles. He will have to show that he is able to shine without Messi and Neymar.

It is time for Mbappe to show his talent and high ego.

Mbappe is indeed a player with good talent. but with him going to shine alone at PSG, I'm not sure it can lead PSG to the Champions League title they want. even with Neymar and Messi in the team, PSG is also having problems in the UCL. and it will not be easy to force Mbappe to fend for himself up front.
PSG will definitely make several player purchases to support Mbappe on the front lines.

There is no doubt that Mbappe is a great player. But he is selfish. And that's why the attacking performance of the PSG team was not very good. PSG will certainly be looking for replacements for Messi and Neymar next season. And if Mbappe can't build a good relationship with them, winning the Ligue 1 title will be challenging for PSG. Winning the Ligue 1 title was not easy for PSG this season either. A stable squad is essential to perform well in a competitive platform like the Champions League. PSG's squad is not stable. It is unlikely that PSG will do well in the Champions League next season.

Why do you say that Mbappe is selfish?
Even if you can see Mbappe's achievements, who always gave a very strong performance in every match and brought Paris SG to the top of league 1 this season.
It's not that Paris SG's failure in the champion's league was the cause of Mbappe, but indeed Paris SG is not strong enough to compete with other clubs in the champion's league.
But I agree that Paris SG must immediately look for new players who are superior to be able to welcome the champions league.

[Leviathan.007]

Speaking of Nagelsmann, I much prefer him over Galtier, Nagelsmann is a young coach who carries modern football. it doesn't matter what the French public thinks, but what is certain is that he has the capacity as a potential coach. that is why, Nagelsmann was targeted by several big clubs.

So far, there is only information that PSG is in talks with Nagelsmann, and this could possibly be a profitable deal for both parties, since PSG with Nagelsmann can become significantly faster, which they lacked with Galtier. PSG have good financial resources, so I have no doubt that they will be able to make a good offer. But first, we should wait for official information, because so far it just looks like a rumor.

I heard that on the news when they said Nagelsmann is going to join PSG for the next season and they think the reason of their team failed in this season was because of the bad coach they had.
If Nagelsmann gets better results in PSG I think Bayern Munich will feel regret.

It is very likely that Mbappe will remain for this season but Messi will surely leave, because I believe he has played his last match in the club. If Mbappe stays and they reinforce the team with good players that are not super star, the team will be balanced but congesting one team with 3  super stars.
If Neymar leaves, Messi leaves and 5 new and good players are added to the team for reinforcement, I believe PsG will have good results for the next season champions league.

So far the quality of Ligue 1 has not been able to compete with other leagues to reach the top of the UCL champions. It is evident, the power of money is still quite difficult to get a champion instantly. Neymar, Messi and Mbaape they are good but don't have hard work. It seems that they are too comfortable with a large salary. It seems that they have to change the mentality of the players to work hard. As for the League, they have had many titles. They just need to improve the quality for UCL.

In the next season when Messi and Neymar leave PSG, they will still have the chance to hire a better place and this can be a reason to say the quality of the French league won change.

[Leviathan.007]

Finally Mbappe gets what he wanted in last few seasons. He became a only and biggest super star in PSG after Messi and likely Neymar departures. Now he will have a bigger responsibility to carry PSG to titles. He will have to show that he is able to shine without Messi and Neymar.

It is time for Mbappe to show his talent and high ego.

Mbappe is indeed a player with good talent. but with him going to shine alone at PSG, I'm not sure it can lead PSG to the Champions League title they want. even with Neymar and Messi in the team, PSG is also having problems in the UCL. and it will not be easy to force Mbappe to fend for himself up front.
PSG will definitely make several player purchases to support Mbappe on the front lines.

There is no doubt that Mbappe is a great player. But he is selfish. And that's why the attacking performance of the PSG team was not very good. PSG will certainly be looking for replacements for Messi and Neymar next season. And if Mbappe can't build a good relationship with them, winning the Ligue 1 title will be challenging for PSG. Winning the Ligue 1 title was not easy for PSG this season either. A stable squad is essential to perform well in a competitive platform like the Champions League. PSG's squad is not stable. It is unlikely that PSG will do well in the Champions League next season.

Everyone knows he is a selfish player and he doesn't want to see other superstar players on his team and he is a player who wants to be always the best in his team and he gets more attention to himself than other players.
Actually, that's why other players like Neymar and Messi had problems in PSG and maybe a few months ago the owner of PSG had to let Mbappe leave this team for Real Madrid.

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In the next season when Messi and Neymar leave PSG, they will still have the chance to hire a better place and this can be a reason to say the quality of the French league won change.

I don't think PSG will be a weak team next season because of the departure of several star players this season. It will not have a big impact on PSG as they can bring in several other players in the transfer window. I think PSG will still be the strongest team to win the Ligue 1 trophy even without Messi.  However, this will become a weakness in the next season if the players brought in by PSG cannot fully contribute.

PSG have not won the UCL trophy for the first time, even though they have been strengthened this season by many star players but they still failed in the ucl. Will they fail next season again only time and player signings will be the answer.

[Velvet78]

Mbappe is staying with PSG for at least one more season that's for sure now. However there is still a possibility for him to leave after that if PSG still fail in reaching even the Champions League finale and winning the title for the first time finally. I know that he has a huge contract in hand but it isn't like there is no other team can make him have the same conditions.

In that case Real Madrid would be his first choice undoubtedly. Because Real Madrid were even nearly signing him before if it weren't for PSG's huge contract offer to him. But I don't think Mbappe cares about only money. He must be wishing to win bigger titles like the Champions League.

[herurist]

Speaking of Nagelsmann, I much prefer him over Galtier, Nagelsmann is a young coach who carries modern football. it doesn't matter what the French public thinks, but what is certain is that he has the capacity as a potential coach. that is why, Nagelsmann was targeted by several big clubs.

So far, there is only information that PSG is in talks with Nagelsmann, and this could possibly be a profitable deal for both parties, since PSG with Nagelsmann can become significantly faster, which they lacked with Galtier. PSG have good financial resources, so I have no doubt that they will be able to make a good offer. But first, we should wait for official information, because so far it just looks like a rumor.

I heard that on the news when they said Nagelsmann is going to join PSG for the next season and they think the reason of their team failed in this season was because of the bad coach they had.
If Nagelsmann gets better results in PSG I think Bayern Munich will feel regret.

Now indeed the talk of Nagelsmann and PSG is increasingly being heard and I see this is another name apart from Conte and Zidane who are currently still busy talking about PSG.
This is indeed a viable option rather than still having to hope for Galtier even though he is a good coach but for PSG this is still very lacking.
Several other conditions emerged from Henry now because indeed he said if Nagelsmann went to PSG then he was ready to be his assistant.

[alpamar99]

There will be an impact felt when Messi leaves, but on the other hand, of course, things like this can still be minimized if they immediately move quickly to find other fresher players, but don't let the fans give high expectations because they are afraid the same thing will happen to Messi. can happen again to new players when it doesn't match their expectations.
Now Asensio is expected to be one of the strong candidates at PSG, hopefully he will not be damaged again in terms of fame by some irresponsible fans.

The impact might not be that big for PSG if the team can find a replacement that is no less good than Messi more quickly. However, during this break, almost all teams will try to find fresh and young players to replace the old players who have left the team. That's why all teams that have enough funds will move quickly to get the new players they want during a break like this, especially for teams like PSG who generally really need new players to have a better next season than the previous season.

As I said before this depends on how PSG find suitable players.
For a new player like Messi there won't be one I think because he is extraordinary but to find a player who matches PSG's vision it can still be done and of course this can still be found now with the finances and time that is still long enough I think they can do that though the pattern may still be the same because it only revolves around Mbappe when talking about PSG.

[Leviathan.007]

This season the gap between PSG and Lens was not too big and Lens could even take their place if they didn't lose points in this season is some matches they had, because of this little gap and bad performance in PSG I think the owner of PSG will not spend money like this for the next season be they invested once and they didn't get good results. These people are wise enough to take lessons from the mistakes they had.
Or maybe they will spend even more to hire better players than what they had.

[Pandu Geddon]

This season the gap between PSG and Lens was not too big and Lens could even take their place if they didn't lose points in this season is some matches they had, because of this little gap and bad performance in PSG I think the owner of PSG will not spend money like this for the next season be they invested once and they didn't get good results. These people are wise enough to take lessons from the mistakes they had.
Or maybe they will spend even more to hire better players than what they had.

PSG's ambition to pursue the UCL trophy is quite large. even though they always fail, but I think they will still be looking for some players for the transfer market this summer. moreover they were left behind by several important players in the squad. of course if you want to compete PSG have to spend quite a lot this season. unless they only want to dominate Ligue 1 without having a UCL target like in previous seasons.

[shogun47]

If they wanted to run projects like PSg in the premier league they had to spend much more money because in the premier league, there are many ort rich teams and there is a closer race between other teams while in the French League, they could have easier days, if they were spending this money in premier they could even lose the top of the table easily.

That is exactly the point and that is why I am not a big fan of picking a league that is inferior and then invest a billion and celebrate the team for winning the title on a yearly basis. Not a lot of people are truly excited when they can watch Neymar, Messi and Mbappe play against Troyes. But what if they hypothetically be playing for Newcastle instead and people get to see them to play against Manchester United / City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea etc. Having those three guys play for the Ligue 1 title in the same team became very boring over time. Everyone was waiting for half a year to pass until the knockout games in the Champions League finally began and if PSG got eliminated early, then the season was essentially over.

[LUCKMCFLY]

For some reason when talking about Paris Saint Germain, I have confidence that they will return to transfer star players again for next season even though they will be left behind by 2 other star players such as Neymar and Messi. But I hope they stop doing things like that, because nothing changes when they make transfers that cost a lot of money. I would prefer that when they start to regenerate their squad, yes they can bring back potential young players that they can use for long-term progress.

It is a fact, I think PSG could go looking for or sweetening Haaland, and any of the players who are shining worldwide, but of course, they are also showing themselves to Brazil, which is where I think there is a lot of talent, no matter how bad it is have gone to Brazil, these players always have that special talent and make a difference, thanks to them everything related to soccer has been placed with a high level of competition, South America is one of the continents where Europe has been taught a lot about Soccer Well, I cannot deny that in Europe there are players that I admire with all my being, one of them CR7, Mbappé, Ibrahimovic , but here in this part of the world, it is where the Players who set the pace have Come out.

There will be an impact felt when Messi leaves, but on the other hand, of course, things like this can still be minimized if they immediately move quickly to find other fresher players, but don't let the fans give high expectations because they are afraid the same thing will happen to Messi. can happen again to new players when it doesn't match their expectations.
Now Asensio is expected to be one of the strong candidates at PSG, hopefully he will not be damaged again in terms of fame by some irresponsible fans.

The impact might not be that big for PSG if the team can find a replacement that is no less good than Messi more quickly. However, during this break, almost all teams will try to find fresh and young players to replace the old players who have left the team. That's why all teams that have enough funds will move quickly to get the new players they want during a break like this, especially for teams like PSG who generally really need new players to have a better next season than the previous season.

As I said before this depends on how PSG find suitable players.
For a new player like Messi there won't be one I think because he is extraordinary but to find a player who matches PSG's vision it can still be done and of course this can still be found now with the finances and time that is still long enough I think they can do that though the pattern may still be the same because it only revolves around Mbappe when talking about PSG.

Well I agree with what you say, PSG has to know which players are the best to adapt to their style of play, it should be noted that they had the most dangerous trident in the world Messi-Mbappé-Neymar, nothing more and nothing less than two footballers from the most influential is an Argentine and a Brazilian considered the best in the world and a Frenchman who shows that French football, apart from being very elegant, has players that are getting better and better and of a high level, if they did not manage to win the UCL , What can the Sheikh expect if I have not yet seen players of their level, there are some who are young, but who do not stand out like them, I think that PSG made the mistake of their Lives by leaving Messi and leaving the Coach , I would never in my life Leave Messi.

If they wanted to run projects like PSg in the premier league they had to spend much more money because in the premier league, there are many ort rich teams and there is a closer race between other teams while in the French League, they could have easier days, if they were spending this money in premier they could even lose the top of the table easily.

That is exactly the point and that is why I am not a big fan of picking a league that is inferior and then invest a billion and celebrate the team for winning the title on a yearly basis. Not a lot of people are truly excited when they can watch Neymar, Messi and Mbappe play against Troyes. But what if they hypothetically be playing for Newcastle instead and people get to see them to play against Manchester United / City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea etc. Having those three guys play for the Ligue 1 title in the same team became very boring over time. Everyone was waiting for half a year to pass until the knockout games in the Champions League finally began and if PSG got eliminated early, then the season was essentially over.

That is what I have been emphasizing, no matter how good players a team has, world-class stars, the failure is not their fault, well Hypothetically it is, because they go out on the Field and they are the ones who lose, the really losers For me he is the coach, and it causes me a lot of controversy that they let Messi go and the same coach continues, I don't know how fútbol is handled well in France, but no matter how old Messi is , he is a Player who does anything and It turns it into a goal, but if it is misdirected it is obvious that they will never win a UCL , in fact they did not win it with them, less chance they have later if they hire new Players without the same Quality.


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Luis Suarez: 'Impossible' for me to join Lionel Messi at Inter Miami

Luis Suarez will not be joining his friend and former Barcelona teammate Lionel Messi at Inter Miami, the Uruguayan striker said Thursday.

In a stunning announcement Wednesday, Messi revealed his intention to join the MLS club following the expiration of his contract with Paris Saint-Germain on June 30.

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Speculation immediately followed that Miami could look to surround Messi with some other familiar faces. Suarez, who was linked with a transfer to Miami before he left Europe to return to South America -- first with Uruguayan giants Nacional and then with Brazilian club Gremio -- was one of those tipped for a potential move.

Source: https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37821917/luis-suarez-joining-lionel-messi-inter-miami-impossible

I don't know, but in my personal opinion, I think that Messi made the wrong choice, because the MLS is like burying his career as a footballer, it's not the same anymore, but you have to ask David Beckham and other much older ones who were stars in his time as Kid Valderrama, now Busquets and Luis Suarez are not as influential for me as Messi is, that's why I clarify that it's just my personal perception, I think Messi chose his early retirement, and this is often the fault of a club that he doesn't value his players, and of course, the fans too, because they were already treating him very badly, otherwise you have to ask CR7 to see how they treated him at Manchester United.

[Minor Miner]

If they wanted to run projects like PSg in the premier league they had to spend much more money because in the premier league, there are many ort rich teams and there is a closer race between other teams while in the French League, they could have easier days, if they were spending this money in premier they could even lose the top of the table easily.

That is exactly the point and that is why I am not a big fan of picking a league that is inferior and then invest a billion and celebrate the team for winning the title on a yearly basis. Not a lot of people are truly excited when they can watch Neymar, Messi and Mbappe play against Troyes. But what if they hypothetically be playing for Newcastle instead and people get to see them to play against Manchester United / City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea etc. Having those three guys play for the Ligue 1 title in the same team became very boring over time. Everyone was waiting for half a year to pass until the knockout games in the Champions League finally began and if PSG got eliminated early, then the season was essentially over.

PSG spent a lot of money and signed several star players. Even then their performance was not good. Even though the Ligue 1 teams are not very strong, the PSG team cannot perform well. Even PSG spent a lot of money to win the Champions League title. But their performance in the Champions League was worse. Even though they have a lot of money, PSG management can buy star players even if Messi and Neymar leave the team. We will see a lot of star players in PSG's squad next season as well. However, Ligue 1 is not very competitive. And I think the Newcastle team is much stronger than PSG right now. Because the Premier League is very competitive. The standards of Ligue 1 teams are much lower than Premier League teams.

[Jody.Drummer]

For some reason when talking about Paris Saint Germain, I have confidence that they will return to transfer star players again for next season even though they will be left behind by 2 other star players such as Neymar and Messi. But I hope they stop doing things like that, because nothing changes when they make transfers that cost a lot of money. I would prefer that when they start to regenerate their squad, yes they can bring back potential young players that they can use for long-term progress.

It is a fact, I think PSG could go looking for or sweetening Haaland, and any of the players who are shining worldwide, but of course, they are also showing themselves to Brazil, which is where I think there is a lot of talent, no matter how bad it is have gone to Brazil, these players always have that special talent and make a difference, thanks to them everything related to soccer has been placed with a high level of competition, South America is one of the continents where Europe has been taught a lot about Soccer Well, I cannot deny that in Europe there are players that I admire with all my being, one of them CR7, Mbappé, Ibrahimovic , but here in this part of the world, it is where the Players who set the pace have Come out.

Actually it's not a problem for PSG to do something like that because they still have plenty of money and they can still just do it in conditions like now. Looking for a player labeled a star must also be seen in terms of age conditions and compatibility with the club.
PSG don't pay too much attention to that (just like Todd did to Chelsea) they only see good players and buy them but don't really see if these players will fit or not later.
If things like that continue to be carried out, the results will not change and I feel that PSG will continue like this stagnantly and without change.