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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 89 (46.4%)
Liverpool - 31 (16.1%)
Arsenal - 39 (20.3%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.6%)
Manchester United - 14 (7.3%)
Totenham - 7 (3.6%)
Newcastle - 2 (1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
Total Voters: 192

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November 08, 2023, 05:45:56 PM
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To be able to win a trophy is not easy, I will not respond to that because the journey this season is still very long and anything is possible in the team whether it is a change for the better or vice versa, but what is certain is that if you look at Tottenham's current strength it is possible for them to can compete fiercely in the race for the title.

I am not a Tottenham supporter, but if they win the Premier League this season, I will be overjoyed. They've come a long way and have been performing incredibly well for many seasons now, but luck hasn't always been on their side when it comes to winning a trophy. They've begun the season well, and I'm hoping they can stay consistent until the end to be a worthy title contender in the league.

I sure many people were disappointed and lost quite lot of money because of this match and those who took Chelsea as the winner could get quite big profit because of the high Odds.

This was the first time Tottenham had lost with added embarrassment, in this match the luck belonged to Chelsea and Pochettino.
Congratulations to Chelsea for their victory against big team that was once unbeatable, namely Tottenham.

I was shocked by the outcome of this game because Chelsea's performance has been nothing to write home about or even commend since the beginning of the season. So playing with a squad that hasn't lost a game since the beginning of the season made me lose confidence in their ability to win the game. Most of us were taken aback when Chelsea won this match by four goals to one. I'm not sure, but I doubt Chelsea will be able to maintain this current form for long.

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November 08, 2023, 06:06:57 PM
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I sure many people were disappointed and lost quite lot of money because of this match and those who took Chelsea as the winner could get quite big profit because of the high Odds.

This was the first time Tottenham had lost with added embarrassment, in this match the luck belonged to Chelsea and Pochettino.
Congratulations to Chelsea for their victory against big team that was once unbeatable, namely Tottenham.
People are really disappointed since, with the Tottenham Spur result against Chelsea, the final result was not what they expected. Tottenham's odds are also not as high as Chelsea's. Many people bet on Tottenham Spurs to win because they knew that Chelsea wouldn't be able to win because of their lower performance. Still, after playing against nine players and two of them later getting injured, Tottenham lost, and Chelsea win, which is bad luck for them. Chelsea fans keep saying that anytime they played against big clubs they always win or draw, but I think that is just lucky for them. It can tell when they play Manchester City.

To be able to win a trophy is not easy, I will not respond to that because the journey this season is still very long and anything is possible in the team whether it is a change for the better or vice versa, but what is certain is that if you look at Tottenham's current strength it is possible for them to can compete fiercely in the race for the title.

Since there are still many games left in the season, it is possible that a team with poor performance could still win the trophy. We know that Tottenham has improved since the start of the season, but we cannot guarantee that they will win the trophy because there are still many difficult games left in the league. Many teams, including Manchester City and Arsenal, have the potential to win the trophy this season based on their performances. In fact, I have a lot of faith in Manchester City because
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November 08, 2023, 06:18:22 PM
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Newcastle need to learn how to play in Europe, I think they are sound in the English premier league but in Europe they are still trying to find their play.
Newcastle against Dortmund yesterday was a very poor performance from Newcastle especially in the first half, and Dortmund is not in the best form.
I think Newcastle were playing too safe and it worked against them, second half was a bit better but still it was poor compared to what they can do, they have now made it very difficult for themselves to qualify from the group.
Newcastle have three strong opponents in the group and I think their result is not that bad. They still have a chance to even win first place, so it’s too early to say that they should learn something. In previous seasons, we saw the collapse of clubs in much easier conditions (for example, Barcelona, having only two strong opponents, did not qualify from the group).
I agree, Newcastle is doing as well as hoped for by a team that hasn't been to UCL for decades, they got overtaken by some rich Saudi king, and with all that money they got, they didn't turn into Chelsea, they spent the money wisely and actually finished at top four and went to UCL. However, many teams in that group goes to UCL all the time and have some experience, which means that they know how to play there, you need to put 100% of yourself into those games in order to win, and on top of that they got very unlucky and draw a group that was filled with super teams.

I mean when you look at that group, you feel like you have no idea which one is better, you end up with something that is more closer to each other than other groups. Most other groups have teams that are much better than the others, you know who was which seed, but when you look at the group Newcastle is in, it's PSG, Milan, Dortmund, all four are great teams so it makes their job harder, and yet they are still doing fine.

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November 08, 2023, 06:28:41 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.
People are always looking for someone to blame, especially when the team isn't performing well. I know Ten Hag is partially to blame as well, but no coach will purposefully lose games, and managing a coach is a difficult job. Additionally, coaches are under more pressure to win every game than players are.  and we don't know if ten even know what is wrong with the club there are some serious parts that Manchester United lacks and if those parts are not replaced then Manchester United's condition will continue like this because the goalkeeper and their defense are suffering from serious damages, and what you said is another thing ten hag does not have a say like and only have to do the will of the management.

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November 08, 2023, 06:32:54 PM
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I also can't fully blame Erik ten Hag because after all, at least Erik ten Hag has succeeded in his first season at Manchester United. Therefore, I think it is natural that in this second season Erik ten Hag failed to maintain good performance and results for Manchester United. Because of course, in the last transfer window there were also players leaving and entering and that way, Erik ten Hag is also still working hard to be able to build the team even better this season. After all, Manchester United also still has a chance to catch up, because Manchester United still has a points gap that is at least still fairly with the fifth position at this moment even though it is have six points different.
What's the basic problem of Manchester United currently? It's been quite an extensive period the Red Devils won a major trophy. They keep making inconsistent form in every campaign. Appointing Erik Ten Hag as manager was one of the brilliant steps from the Glazers family. Perhapes the club have falled weigh below standards, this has turned out to be a major concern for the the Red Devils supporters. Erik Ten Hag will continue to struggle in Manchester as headcoach because he's doesn't seem ready to resolved current problem of the team.

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November 08, 2023, 06:39:11 PM
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Bros, there are some things I do not bother myself about and one of them is the case of Newcastle in the UCL. The club performed so nicely last season which earned them the qualification for the tournament, still, my plight then which people did not see coming was whether they would be able to perform well in the Champions League judging by the ferocious nature of the contesters in football. This is not playing, this is the League of Champions and if you get to qualify by luck, it would be obvious on the pitch and you might have come to even make a fool of yourself. This is what is happening to Newcastle and I don't possibly know how they would have won Dortmund yesterday. It's even the Dortmund I blamed for wasting many chances to have scored more goals. It's obvious lapses I believe their strikers should work on.

I feel the way they performed last season, they at least should be able to advance to the next stage but their group is a very difficult one. All the teams in that group whether it be PSG, AC Milan or Dortmund, all have the capability to move to the next stage. I feel the sharpness that Newcastle have is lacking a bit when facing in CL. Not sure what's going on but I feel that Newcastle can do a lot better than what they are doing right now in CL matches. Of course, CL matches will be much more difficult but Newcastle also should have been ready because they are not in an easy group from the start.

Newcastle's success is also not supported by famous players and expensive players so yes, I think Newcastle is still very good at this moment too. Likewise with Newcastle's results in the Champions League, they are in the hellish group but in reality Newcastle is also able to compete well by successfully beating PSG and holding Milan to a draw previously. So yes, Newcastle remains a great team this season and also, we can't only consider Newcastle's defeat by Dortmund. Because of course, Newcastle also still has good results that are worth being proud of at this moment too.

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November 08, 2023, 06:52:34 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.

But in my opinion, the most influential player in the club's development is the coach, and so far I see that Man United is entirely the fault of the coach, namely Erik Tag Hag.

We have to look at examples from other clubs. And in my opinion, so far the Premier League club that holds the title of European giant and has really improved its reputation through a long process, in my opinion, is only Liverpool. Several years ago Liverpool was labeled as a sleeping giant. But after Jurgen Klopp's arrival at Anfield, Liverpool's mentality slowly but surely began to rise, it took several opportunities until Liverpool really ended their title drought, and this did not show any change at all in Erik Taghag at Man United.

Because in my opinion, when Klopp first came to Anfield, his condition was even worse than Man United's now, they were required to use inherited player Brandon Rogers whose quality was far from Klopp's expectations, it was difficult to buy his dream star player. Liverpool is seen as an incompetent team by the players they are targeting. But look now, slowly but surely Liverpool is becoming a team with its own charm in attracting talented young star players. This is very different from Erik Tag Hag, who brought in players he chose himself but was unable to take Man United in a better direction.

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November 08, 2023, 07:06:34 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.

The success and fall of a squad will be pointed directly at the coach and then his players. Erik Ten Hag is the manager so he should be blamed for whatever results they get!
The manager is good at analysis and picking his first eleven for games, bit you see this season? He has been sentimental in a way and it has affected him negatively.

Over the years, since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson, Manchester United have signed players who aren't capable of playing for the badge. They need a new sporting director so they can work together to achieve a common goal. The glazers also known as the owners are not capable of handling the club, they should sell the club if possible.

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November 08, 2023, 07:12:27 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.
Manchester United's performance endured hardships as a result of disappointing performances caused by the players and the coach. Fans are dissatisfied at the manager stats and hoping he corrects his moves because he has failed to acknowledge a crucial aspect of the team's performance. They're having undesirable consequences and they don't seem to be returning to form anytime soon. Erik Ten Hag was a competitive coach for Manchester United, but he always had problems with his players, particularly Cristiano Ronaldo, which drove him out of Old Trafford.



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November 08, 2023, 07:17:34 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.
Manchester United's performance endured hardships as a result of disappointing performances caused by the players and the coach. Fans are dissatisfied at the manager stats and hoping he corrects his moves because he has failed to acknowledge a crucial aspect of the team's performance. They're having undesirable consequences and they don't seem to be returning to form anytime soon. Erik Ten Hag was a competitive coach for Manchester United, but he always had problems with his players, particularly Cristiano Ronaldo, which drove him out of Old Trafford.




Let's see if they will be able to get a good victory tonight in Champions League which can act as a boost to their moral,last time around they were very lucky to not concede a goal in the late additional time when Copenhagen had a penalty and now they are playing away from home.This can be beneficial to the team,the fans and everyone to remove for a moment their attention from the Premier League and to give some joy to the fans as with this win they would consolidate their run for qualifying in the next round of the Champions League.

If they screw it up here also there will be big big trouble for the coach I am afraid.

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November 08, 2023, 07:31:23 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.
Manchester United's performance endured hardships as a result of disappointing performances caused by the players and the coach. Fans are dissatisfied at the manager stats and hoping he corrects his moves because he has failed to acknowledge a crucial aspect of the team's performance. They're having undesirable consequences and they don't seem to be returning to form anytime soon. Erik Ten Hag was a competitive coach for Manchester United, but he always had problems with his players, particularly Cristiano Ronaldo, which drove him out of Old Trafford.



No matter how good you are as a couch, if you lack good relationship manner with your players you will not succeed in the team because without players, coach did not have anything to do, and the little players Manchester United have Ten Hag relationship with them is becoming an issue since from the time he started with Ronaldo and he succeeded in letting him leave the team, the same thing with Da Gea, now Jordan Sancho. I wanted supporting Ten Hag during Ronald's time, but his continuity in doing such act is my problem with him because this act is making Manchester United lose matches.

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November 08, 2023, 08:16:20 PM
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Newcastle need to learn how to play in Europe, I think they are sound in the English premier league but in Europe they are still trying to find their play.
Newcastle against Dortmund yesterday was a very poor performance from Newcastle especially in the first half, and Dortmund is not in the best form.
I think Newcastle were playing too safe and it worked against them, second half was a bit better but still it was poor compared to what they can do, they have now made it very difficult for themselves to qualify from the group.

You can't blame Newcastle for that match because Dortmund are in good form right now and they need to win that match because they should get the opportunity to qualify for the round of 16th they play well and Newcastle can't do anything about it because Dortmund are at home and they have the advantage to defeat Newcastle even when they call best clubs thy will most likely call Dortmund before Newcastle, Newcastle are playing well in the League, he don't mean because they defeat them in the Champions league they are not trying, After playing against Bournemouth, Newcastle will meet Chelsea in the league, and you will witness how Newcastle will play Chelsea.

Since I look at the group stage, I don't think PSG, AC Milan, or Dortmund will advance to the next round of the competition because they are the only clubs with more express in the Champions League competition. Let's see if they can defeat PSG in their next match but it won't be easy for them this time because PSG will be prepared for them and PSG are playing at home. If PSG make any mistakes and lose the match, Newcastle will have the opportunity to qualify I believe PSG will not make any mistakes in the match because they have never won the Champions League in before, But they will give their all to win, but they are not in good enough shape to win the title.

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Newcastle is only considered the dark horse in the group and it is natural that their performance in the Champions League is quite different from the game they show in the English league. The Champions League will be much more competitive because it takes experience and mentality to make them ready to face all possibilities. If you watch the match, I think Newcastle's performance was not that bad, but Dortmund's game was very coordinated and they were able to take advantage of their home and mentality to beat the English representatives.

Newcastle are in the top six of the standings and so far they have suffered three consecutive defeats in the League, although up to now their performance has been much more stable and consistent after these defeats. Newcastle's next matches will be against Bournemouth and Chelsea, I think this is an opportunity for them to catch up on points from Aston Villa in the top five.
Most players in this Newcastle team aren’t used to the UCL and as we all know the UCL requires not just quality players but experience on the competition and that’s what’s lacking in this young Newcastle squad, against Dortmund they tried to play a good game in both pegs conceding not up to 4 legs in both legs shows the level of improvement in this side, probably they’ll look for a way to progress to the Round of 16 else I think they’ll flourish in the Europa League.

Suffering 3 consecutive league defeats is a worrisome one for the Newcastle side, but let’s not forget that this side can also keep a long streak of good form and bounce back from these defeats, they have some huge tests against Chelsea in both the league and the EFL Cup, let’s see how far they can go with these tests in the coming week.
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November 08, 2023, 09:04:39 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.
Manchester United's performance endured hardships as a result of disappointing performances caused by the players and the coach. Fans are dissatisfied at the manager stats and hoping he corrects his moves because he has failed to acknowledge a crucial aspect of the team's performance. They're having undesirable consequences and they don't seem to be returning to form anytime soon. Erik Ten Hag was a competitive coach for Manchester United, but he always had problems with his players, particularly Cristiano Ronaldo, which drove him out of Old Trafford.



No matter how good you are as a couch, if you lack good relationship manner with your players you will not succeed in the team because without players, coach did not have anything to do, and the little players Manchester United have Ten Hag relationship with them is becoming an issue since from the time he started with Ronaldo and he succeeded in letting him leave the team, the same thing with Da Gea, now Jordan Sancho. I wanted supporting Ten Hag during Ronald's time, but his continuity in doing such act is my problem with him because this act is making Manchester United lose matches.
Not only have blame the players especially Ronaldo as many people taught it was an excuse for him to release the pressure that was in the club at that time to excel and that his old age would actually stand as a weak point and barrier for the team but he certainly made sure that it wasn't the case for his departure as he is currently doing well in his new club and actually the top scorer now in the club for this season while ten hag continues to make problem in the camp and destabilize things in the club both inside and out the pitch.

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November 08, 2023, 09:19:43 PM
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Not only have blame the players especially Ronaldo as many people taught it was an excuse for him to release the pressure that was in the club at that time to excel and that his old age would actually stand as a weak point and barrier for the team but he certainly made sure that it wasn't the case for his departure as he is currently doing well in his new club and actually the top scorer now in the club for this season while ten hag continues to make problem in the camp and destabilize things in the club both inside and out the pitch.
Whatever it is, Ronaldo will not have his good days at Manchester United again after he wandered for too long to Real Madrid and Juventus. Ronaldo is the best player, but he didn't come to Manchester United when the team had as good a squad as when he left for Real Madrid. Things have changed and when it comes to issue then I won't decide who deserves the blame.

After all, if Ronaldo stays at Manchester United much longer then I think he's just burdening himself in a lot of ways. Fans demand that he perform well and win lots of games, while the depth of Manchester United's squad never fully supports this desire. Coaches have the ability and capacity, while strategy can determine the direction and strength of a team.

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November 08, 2023, 09:24:26 PM
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That Chelsea win over Tottenham will give him a glimpse of hope for their clash with Manchester city this weekend. Somehow Chelsea has given me a feeling that they play a different style of football when they face top sides.
It's just surprising to me when I see Chelsea putting up a good fight when they are playing against strong teams, and when they are playing against weak teams, they are always performing poorly. Chelsea's next match will be against Manchester City, but I don't know if they will be able to win or draw the match. Since we know that Chelsea are always serious when playing against strong teams, let's see what will happen in their next match. I know the match might be a difficult one, but I am expecting a win from Manchester City.
Of course it is very different if you face a strong team because the atmosphere will be very different, as was the case when they beat Tottenham last week. I don't know why Tottenham, who had been so calm since the start of the season, suddenly became so aggressive in that match.

Even though we know that Chelsea is no longer as scary as before, so somehow Totteham made a mistake like that and injured himself, and this is also what Man City must anticipate in this match. It is true that on paper Man City is superior to Chelsea, but if Man City makes mistakes like Tottenham did, it is not impossible that Chelsea will win this match.

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November 08, 2023, 09:47:55 PM
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That Chelsea win over Tottenham will give him a glimpse of hope for their clash with Manchester city this weekend. Somehow Chelsea has given me a feeling that they play a different style of football when they face top sides.
It's just surprising to me when I see Chelsea putting up a good fight when they are playing against strong teams, and when they are playing against weak teams, they are always performing poorly. Chelsea's next match will be against Manchester City, but I don't know if they will be able to win or draw the match. Since we know that Chelsea are always serious when playing against strong teams, let's see what will happen in their next match. I know the match might be a difficult one, but I am expecting a win from Manchester City.
Of course it is very different if you face a strong team because the atmosphere will be very different, as was the case when they beat Tottenham last week. I don't know why Tottenham, who had been so calm since the start of the season, suddenly became so aggressive in that match.

Even though we know that Chelsea is no longer as scary as before, so somehow Totteham made a mistake like that and injured himself, and this is also what Man City must anticipate in this match. It is true that on paper Man City is superior to Chelsea, but if Man City makes mistakes like Tottenham did, it is not impossible that Chelsea will win this match.

I thought Chelsea would lose by a pretty serious goal difference, however .... It's hard to say what to expect from the match with Manchester City, but it may have been an isolated incident. Chelsea's game has not yet returned to its former level and it is not known whether it will return at all, so most likely bets on this match will still be prioritised on Manchester City's victory

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November 08, 2023, 09:56:04 PM
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Whatever it is, Ronaldo will not have his good days at Manchester United again after he wandered for too long to Real Madrid and Juventus. Ronaldo is the best player, but he didn't come to Manchester United when the team had as good a squad as when he left for Real Madrid. Things have changed and when it comes to issue then I won't decide who deserves the blame.

After all, if Ronaldo stays at Manchester United much longer then I think he's just burdening himself in a lot of ways. Fans demand that he perform well and win lots of games, while the depth of Manchester United's squad never fully supports this desire. Coaches have the ability and capacity, while strategy can determine the direction and strength of a team.
Erik Ten Hag is the main reason behind the exits of the undisputed GOAT from Old Trafford last season, perhapes the coach is trying to amend his mistakes. We are quite aware of the present condition of the team, they're struggling and it's exceptionally not stable for the team. Manchester united will forever miss Ronaldo and his tremendous contributions to the team. He's a different breed and he's currently in Al Nassr were he's busy breaking records. Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player Manchester United produced and that's one of the excellence finish for the Red Devils.

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November 08, 2023, 10:09:51 PM
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Newcastle in the previous two matches managed to beat Manchester United in the EFL Cup with a score of 3-0 and after that, Newcastle managed to beat Arsenal in the Premier League with a score of 1-0 . So ya, I still assume that Newcastle managed to have a good performance at this moment.
Obviously Newcastle United has won many of there matches, however this is the first time I'm seeing Newcastle United this good  performance although I'm not disputing the fact that there performance on other season was not good but what I'm trying to say is that this season has been there year of excellent performance.

Because with how good in performance Arsenal is I never imagine Newcastle United could win them because there record right from there last season can never be compared with the performance of Newcastle United, so I was surprised with the way Newcastle peak form this season.

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November 08, 2023, 10:19:24 PM
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I have been reading a lot of comments on the bad situation at Manchester United and fans seem to be pointing the finger at Erik Ten Hag. I don’t like ETH but Manchester United’s poor performances cannot be completely blamed on Erik Ten Hag, the board’s decision making in the transfer window has a role to play. Ten Hag is managing the club with the players at his disposal and I feel Manchester United needs to be more technical in their transfer dealings.
Manchester United's performance endured hardships as a result of disappointing performances caused by the players and the coach. Fans are dissatisfied at the manager stats and hoping he corrects his moves because he has failed to acknowledge a crucial aspect of the team's performance. They're having undesirable consequences and they don't seem to be returning to form anytime soon. Erik Ten Hag was a competitive coach for Manchester United, but he always had problems with his players, particularly Cristiano Ronaldo, which drove him out of Old Trafford.



No matter how good you are as a couch, if you lack good relationship manner with your players you will not succeed in the team because without players, coach did not have anything to do, and the little players Manchester United have Ten Hag relationship with them is becoming an issue since from the time he started with Ronaldo and he succeeded in letting him leave the team, the same thing with Da Gea, now Jordan Sancho. I wanted supporting Ten Hag during Ronald's time, but his continuity in doing such act is my problem with him because this act is making Manchester United lose matches.

I think it's not right to blame Ten Hag for the bad performance in Manchester United because the same coach he saved this team in the last season when they were not in a good situation and now because of the bad performance of Manchester United during the transfer window this team in even weaker than before, changing the goalkeeper and sing Onana for the rest of this season is an example of the bad performance in Macnshter United and I think Ten Hag is not guilty of it.

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