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May 21, 2023, 04:27:41 PM
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What a last round for european spots we are gonna have.

Ajax still a last chance to catch PSV after PSV draw today.

An AZ last chance to catch Ajax....

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May 21, 2023, 05:01:37 PM
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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

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May 21, 2023, 05:51:44 PM
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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

If PSV lose to AZ and Ajax win, Ajax could even finish second, but Ajax could also finish fourth if AZ win and Ajax lose. So a very exciting last round in the Eredivisie. Nobody expected that in the last round so much is possible, Ajax from second to fourth place everything is possible.

Conferece league would be a disappointment for Ajax in any case, even if the chances to win it would be high.

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May 21, 2023, 06:03:58 PM
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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

If PSV lose to AZ and Ajax win, Ajax could even finish second, but Ajax could also finish fourth if AZ win and Ajax lose. So a very exciting last round in the Eredivisie. Nobody expected that in the last round so much is possible, Ajax from second to fourth place everything is possible.

Conferece league would be a disappointment for Ajax in any case, even if the chances to win it would be high.

It's going to be a strange ending indeed. Nobody is sure of a certain competition, except Feyenoord. If PSV misses the CL next week, they will have missed it against Heerenveen today. And it is a conceivable scenario, because when you visit AZ you can easily run into a defeat. Then you go play the EL. Ajax has a huge budget, I think that with the right trainer they can play a significant role in the CL next season. PSV does not belong there. Only Feyenoord was really mega good this season and won convincingly in the end. Not a great last game, but who cares if you're already champion anyway?

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May 21, 2023, 07:32:36 PM
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Unexpectedly, we still get an exciting final round in the battle for places 2, 3 and 4. It could be that Ajax will still play conference League and PSV is lucky that it still managed a 3-3 draw to obtain. So the cards have not yet been shuffled for the next round, the final game. PSV does have a tough opponent in the form of AZ, which was eliminated this week in the conference league. Ajax to the conference league, that would be a big failure for the club and the end for van der Sar as general manager?

If PSV lose to AZ and Ajax win, Ajax could even finish second, but Ajax could also finish fourth if AZ win and Ajax lose. So a very exciting last round in the Eredivisie. Nobody expected that in the last round so much is possible, Ajax from second to fourth place everything is possible.

Conferece league would be a disappointment for Ajax in any case, even if the chances to win it would be high.

It's going to be a strange ending indeed. Nobody is sure of a certain competition, except Feyenoord. If PSV misses the CL next week, they will have missed it against Heerenveen today. And it is a conceivable scenario, because when you visit AZ you can easily run into a defeat. Then you go play the EL. Ajax has a huge budget, I think that with the right trainer they can play a significant role in the CL next season. PSV does not belong there. Only Feyenoord was really mega good this season and won convincingly in the end. Not a great last game, but who cares if you're already champion anyway?

In any case, PSV managed to achieve an important draw against Heerenveen. But the fact that you are behind 1-3 at home against Heerenveen does indicate that something is structurally wrong at PSV. Otherwise you should be able to win easily in your own stadium normally. Next week we will have an exciting denouement, isn't that what we all want in the competition? Feyenoord was very good. But under a new trainer it will fall like a house of cards. So don't appoint Dirk Kuyt

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May 21, 2023, 08:01:33 PM
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PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.

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May 22, 2023, 09:39:45 AM
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In any case, PSV managed to achieve an important draw against Heerenveen. But the fact that you are behind 1-3 at home against Heerenveen does indicate that something is structurally wrong at PSV. Otherwise you should be able to win easily in your own stadium normally. Next week we will have an exciting denouement, isn't that what we all want in the competition? Feyenoord was very good. But under a new trainer it will fall like a house of cards. So don't appoint Dirk Kuyt

PSV was lucky for the draw and the penalty in the 85th minute, for PSV it will be a difficult game against AZ, AZ wants or needs to win to catch Ajax, for PSV a draw would be enough. Of course, Ajax have to win their game first.

PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.

I agree, Ajax and PSV have an average season, both teams have an average of 10 points less than in the last seasons, only Feyenoord is above the 80 points and therefore deserved to be champions.


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May 22, 2023, 11:35:53 AM
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PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.
after 3 successive seasons Ajax controlled the Eredivisie but this season Feyenoord managed to break that domination, it's true this was not a good season for Ajax and PSV but besides that it must be admitted that Feyenoord this season was extraordinary, they made the longest team record ever undefeated this season, Feyenoord had to wait 6 long years to finally win again this season, a 3-goal victory over Go Ahead Eagles confirmed Feyenoord as Eredivisie champions this season because it was impossible for their points to be overtaken by PSV and also Ajax.

in one last game all possibilities are possible because Ajax and AZ are only 2 points different, but I don't think that Ajax will fail in their last match.
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May 22, 2023, 12:00:33 PM
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PSV and Ajax are both not having a great season. But it all seemed to work out for PSV because they managed to win the cup and would be no less than 5 points ahead of Ajax. That difference has been reduced to 3 points after today, and those 3 points could still get PSV into trouble next week when they visit AZ. PSV still has the best chances to reach the CL, but let's not forget that AZ can still qualify for the EL, and that way Ajax can still be relegated to the Conference League. All scenarios are therefore still possible at the moment.
after 3 successive seasons Ajax controlled the Eredivisie but this season Feyenoord managed to break that domination, it's true this was not a good season for Ajax and PSV but besides that it must be admitted that Feyenoord this season was extraordinary, they made the longest team record ever undefeated this season, Feyenoord had to wait 6 long years to finally win again this season, a 3-goal victory over Go Ahead Eagles confirmed Feyenoord as Eredivisie champions this season because it was impossible for their points to be overtaken by PSV and also Ajax.

in one last game all possibilities are possible because Ajax and AZ are only 2 points different, but I don't think that Ajax will fail in their last match.

This was certainly a strong and also very refreshing performance from one of Ajax's competitors. It was time that something like that happens.

I did watch some of the Feyenoord games and liked their style a lot. The way they got eliminated from the Europa League against Roma was quite unlucky and both games taken together, Feyenoord would have deserved their spot in the semifinal (and perhaps now in the final). I think that the games in the semifinal with Feyenoord would have been more interesting than the one between Roma and Leverkusen.

But now we will wait and see whether this was an exception or whether Feyenoord will be able to keep competing with Ajax and PSV in the coming years.

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May 24, 2023, 09:52:19 AM
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after 3 successive seasons Ajax controlled the Eredivisie but this season Feyenoord managed to break that domination, it's true this was not a good season for Ajax and PSV but besides that it must be admitted that Feyenoord this season was extraordinary, they made the longest team record ever undefeated this season, Feyenoord had to wait 6 long years to finally win again this season, a 3-goal victory over Go Ahead Eagles confirmed Feyenoord as Eredivisie champions this season because it was impossible for their points to be overtaken by PSV and also Ajax.

in one last game all possibilities are possible because Ajax and AZ are only 2 points different, but I don't think that Ajax will fail in their last match.

Feyenoord had an outstanding season and got about the same amount of points as Ajax last year, two years ago Feyenoord would not have become champion with the current amount of points, Ajax is definitely weaker this season than the last seasons. But Feyenoord is still (as already mentioned) deserved champion this season, but I assume that Ajax and PSV (especially Ajax) will strengthen a lot in the summer, because of the many sales there should be many millions available.

Should AZ win and Ajax win, second place is still possible for Ajax.

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Should AZ win and Ajax win, second place is still possible for Ajax.

will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back
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will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back
PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.


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will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back
PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.



Ohh man i dont have that new!, what and why cause his dimission, i dont see he can make so much with that team.

But well he had his chance to show how good manager is, or not....

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May 25, 2023, 12:59:43 PM
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will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Emmen is stuck in position, and will play for survival with play-off champions from Second division, maybe Breda or Willem II will return to top division, would be nice to see them back
PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.



Who knows what the problems really were, but for him this was usually a good start into his career as a coach. I think being the coach of PSV gives you access to a squad and a league where you can learn a lot. If he didn't have support from the board, that is another issue. But now I wonder what his next stop will be as a coach. But since he had a great career as a player as well it shouldn't be too hard for him to find something appropriate.

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May 25, 2023, 09:52:52 PM
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PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.
Who knows what the problems really were, but for him this was usually a good start into his career as a coach. I think being the coach of PSV gives you access to a squad and a league where you can learn a lot. If he didn't have support from the board, that is another issue. But now I wonder what his next stop will be as a coach. But since he had a great career as a player as well it shouldn't be too hard for him to find something appropriate.
He resigned before last round match even his team is at second spot and have good chance for staying here with Ajax is going to visit Twente and have chance to win but PSV which is going to visit Alkmaar for their last game against AZ Alkmaar is also going to have chance for the better result but PSV board is not happy, so they announce this all and end first year as coach on high note.

From here if PSV lost then surely we can blame board for this because they need to do things like these after end of season right now before last match surely this is disturbing for all team, but things could be good in new season because now both top teams are having overhaul in squads with new coaches hopefully they will fight back for the top ranks or Feyenoord will not allow them for having any chance again with their performance and quality.

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May 25, 2023, 10:12:51 PM
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PSV manager Van Nistelrooy just resigned before last round, interesting how it's going to affect team. These news is big surprise for me, but he said that he didn't got support from club board. 2nd place in league and win in Cup probably can't be called as bad season. AZ - PSV should be very interesting. While I wouldn't keep big expectations on Twente. They have secured 5th place, so this game before playoffs doesn't matters much for them, while for Ajax it's still important game.
Who knows what the problems really were, but for him this was usually a good start into his career as a coach. I think being the coach of PSV gives you access to a squad and a league where you can learn a lot. If he didn't have support from the board, that is another issue. But now I wonder what his next stop will be as a coach. But since he had a great career as a player as well it shouldn't be too hard for him to find something appropriate.
He resigned before last round match even his team is at second spot and have good chance for staying here with Ajax is going to visit Twente and have chance to win but PSV which is going to visit Alkmaar for their last game against AZ Alkmaar is also going to have chance for the better result but PSV board is not happy, so they announce this all and end first year as coach on high note.

From here if PSV lost then surely we can blame board for this because they need to do things like these after end of season right now before last match surely this is disturbing for all team, but things could be good in new season because now both top teams are having overhaul in squads with new coaches hopefully they will fight back for the top ranks or Feyenoord will not allow them for having any chance again with their performance and quality.
Undoubtedly, Ruud Van Nistelrooy had a good season with the PSV club and his relationship with his players has also been exceptional because one can visibly tell about his friendliness with his players judging by they do play out their hearts for the manager during games.
However, every manager would certainly want to manage a club whose board are solidly behind him by having confidence and unwavering support for as well. Ruud Van Nistelrooy feels he doesn't have the backing of the board and that's why he's decided to leave at the end of the season

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May 26, 2023, 10:19:39 AM
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will be an interesting round, AZ at home is all but an easy fixture for PSV, and they could end-up losing 2nd spot after conceiving three goals at home last round
on the other hand, Ajax has a tough fixture as well, Twente will push to close regular season in good manner before play-off, due to secured 5th position

Twente should not be underestimated, so Ajax must give everything today, because they can win the second place or lose the third place. Fortunately, the games in the last round are all at the same time, so no team can play for a draw, PSV would be the only team that could be satisfied with a draw, but AZ will try to win the game.

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May 26, 2023, 11:20:40 AM
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There is some nice competition for a Conference League spot and for staying in the Eredivisie at the same time. Twente are waiting for their opponent and it is likely to be Heerenveen now. I think Twente can eliminate them in the semi finals of the playoffs. The season has been much better for Twente already and they are the better side in their head-to-head games this season as well.

Even though Sparta Rotterdam finished regular season ahead of Utrecht their head-to-head games tell the opposite. Utrecht beat them quite comfortably in their both games. I think in this playoffs semi finals they will repeat this and eliminate their opponent after two games.

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May 28, 2023, 01:16:07 PM
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Ajax have now taken the lead before the break against Twente, PSV and AZ are still a draw. So nothing would change yet. Ajax would now have to hope that they and AZ win, then they could surprisingly still be second in the league, the German Bundesliga showed yesterday that anything is possible, even if I would have liked Borussia to win the title more than Bayern.

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Feyenoord had been champions for a long time, maybe that's why they suffered the 2nd defeat of the entire season, there was nothing more at stake. Xavi Simons saved PSV and because of him they now play Cl. But it was also a good year for PSV, won the cup, won the super cup and placed 2nd and therefore qualified for the CL. it didn't matter much if Ajax should have played the Conefgrence league. They will still be somewhat relieved at Ajax, but how can you be relieved when you finish 3rd and have not won any prizes at all? Feyenord is undoubtedly the big winner, And arne slot also remains. A top result in all respects.

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