Eredivisie 23/24 - discussion thread

[Zackgeno96]

Feyenoord will also be very happy that Manchester City won the CL final, because for that reason Feyenoord has now been placed in the CL draw and they are just like that in tube 1 in the CL draw. And I think they will also be title contenders for the title in the Netherlands next year. Can't quite place why Maurice Steijn has been appointed as trainer. It seems like they are trying everything with a new trainer, isn't a club like Ajax too big and too good for that? It could well be that this will be another disappointment, with tens of millions in damage possible.

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[Koal-84]

You are right, if Inter Milan had won the Champions League they would be in pot 1 in the group stage draw, a good overview is given by Bert Kassies. Also PSV is in the seedings in the CL-Q3nc: 3rd Qualifying Round for Non-Champions

Seeding in the Champions League 2023/2024

So Ajax is also lucky as PSV finished second and won the cup, Ajax can start in the Europa League play-off as seeded, if Ajax find their form again, they are definitely a candidate to win the Europa League i think.

Seeding in the Europa League 2023/2024

[casperBGD]

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Ajax can start in the Europa League play-off as seeded, if Ajax find their form again, they are definitely a candidate to win the Europa League i think.

agree, Ajax in good form should be a title contender in Europa league, question is will they find their form
many departures so far, Tadic included, while there is no significant signings

will be interesting to see next season, Ajax starts against Heracles on 12.08., still enough time to prepare

[Volgastallion]

Well i dont follow so much this league but i dont rememb er Ajax having two consecutive bad leagues, so i think they are gonna comeback this season. Also they need that because you lose important money if you fail to reach Champions League, Europa League still good money if you reach final phases of the tournament but its not the same, as status and money.

And for last i dont see Feyenoord or PSV having the force to start an "era" , last time Feyenoord went champion at the next leagues they dont make so well.

[Slow death]

Well i dont follow so much this league but i dont rememb er Ajax having two consecutive bad leagues, so i think they are gonna comeback this season. Also they need that because you lose important money if you fail to reach Champions League, Europa League still good money if you reach final phases of the tournament but its not the same, as status and money.

And for last i dont see Feyenoord or PSV having the force to start an "era" , last time Feyenoord went champion at the next leagues they dont make so well.

there is no doubt that last season Feyenoord and PSV were better than ajax, but this season that is about to start what will make things change would be if ajax made big changes in the positive sense that consists of hiring a good coach and good players, so until now I've only seen the following reinforcements that will arrive at Ajax, which are: Benjamin Tahirovic (Central Midfielder) who came from AS Roma, Branco van den Boomen
(Central Midfielder) who came from Toulouse, Naci Ünüvar (I think he was on loan at Twente and now he's returning to Ajax, correct me if I'm misunderstood), only played 8 games and scored only 1 goal, Youri Baas , Amourricho van Axel Dongen ( comes from ajax B ), in 14 games he only scored 2 goals

if I'm not wrong, Naci Ünüvar and Amourricho van Axel Dongen are forwards and it seems to me that ajax intends to use them probably as substitutes and ajax didn't spend a lot of money on new signings, but let out some players like Jurrien Timber which was sold to arsenal for 40 million dollars, but other than that I didn't see ajax making much money from player sales. yesterday there was a friendly game between ajax and shakhtar donetsk, it was a game in which ajax won and scored 3 goals and didn't concede a single goal, it even looked like the old ajax, maybe that combination of Davy Klaassen, Benjamin Tahirović, Branco van den Boomen as 3 midfielders and with Mohammed Kudus, Christian Rasmussen and Steven Bergwijn as 3 strikers could be a good combination for the team to score many goals.

[Pulsar77]

Ajax's dominance in the Eredivisie didn't continue by last season indeed. I see two reasons that should have some affect on this:

1. After parting ways with Erik ten Hag they couldn't find the right manager for themselves.
2. They have changed their players from the 2021/2022 season quite much and didn't have the same chemistry.

Maurice Steijn is the new manager the deal is interestingly for 3 years. He hasn't worked with big teams like Ajax but his whole career has been in Netherlands so far. Maybe he would be the one to make the players pull themselves together and fight for the league title this season.

[Koal-84]

agree, Ajax in good form should be a title contender in Europa league, question is will they find their form
many departures so far, Tadic included, while there is no significant signings

There have been a lot of changes at Ajax now, I'm curious to see how they start the new season, is there a list somewhere of the arrivals and departures at Ajax?

Well i dont follow so much this league but i dont rememb er Ajax having two consecutive bad leagues, so i think they are gonna comeback this season. Also they need that because you lose important money if you fail to reach Champions League, Europa League still good money if you reach final phases of the tournament but its not the same, as status and money.

And for last i dont see Feyenoord or PSV having the force to start an "era" , last time Feyenoord went champion at the next leagues they dont make so well.

Feyenoord played an outstanding season and at the same time Ajax and PSV were below their potential, whether Feyenoord can recover from this outstanding season will be exciting. If PSV and Ajax play consistently like the last 5 seasons before, it will be very difficult for Feyenoord again.

Not to forget Ajax should have enough money to make up for the deficits better than the competition.

[Volgastallion]

I really dont see Feyenoord maintaning the level, more thinking about they are gonna play Champions League and for me they lack that form necesary to be a good contender to reach at least UEL or 16 teams round.

PSV its a group of good players but they dont have any real connection.

If ajax find their path they are gonna win the league again.

[Koal-84]

I really dont see Feyenoord maintaning the level, more thinking about they are gonna play Champions League and for me they lack that form necesary to be a good contender to reach at least UEL or 16 teams round.

PSV its a group of good players but they dont have any real connection.

If ajax find their path they are gonna win the league again.

Whether Feyenoord can have another season like that is questionable, but why not? As I've mentioned many times before, I don't think Feyenoord was that strong and unbeatable, but PSV and Ajax were simply worse than the last few years, but let's see how the three teams start the new season. But the good thing is, the last years the champion was mostly Ajax and now and then PSV, is good and more interesting.

[temple]

I really dont see Feyenoord maintaning the level, more thinking about they are gonna play Champions League and for me they lack that form necesary to be a good contender to reach at least UEL or 16 teams round.

PSV its a group of good players but they dont have any real connection.

If ajax find their path they are gonna win the league again.

Whether Feyenoord can have another season like that is questionable, but why not? As I've mentioned many times before, I don't think Feyenoord was that strong and unbeatable, but PSV and Ajax were simply worse than the last few years, but let's see how the three teams start the new season. But the good thing is, the last years the champion was mostly Ajax and now and then PSV, is good and more interesting.

I was looking for the results of some of the last seasons and it is indeed true that Feyenoord became the champions in 22/23 with 82 points because Ajax and PSV did not perform very well. I found that 82 points would not have been enough to become the champions back to the season 16/17 and a fun fact is that it was also with a champion who got 82 points and now guess who that champion was it was Feyenoord. The Eredivisie is mostly about Ajax playing a perfect season or not. If they do it's mostly only PSV who can go the same level, but I think that Ajax isn't as strong as they have been three or four years ago.

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Eredivisie is dominated by Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord. These teams are alway in top positions and it depends from the performance of each team in each season to know the winner which is mostly Ajax Amsterdam. This team is a mine of players, they don't keep them once they found a good buyer in order to get money. Many of their players are young and many sold especially last season so it is normal to see them losing the title.

[Volgastallion]

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Eredivisie is dominated by Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord. These teams are alway in top positions and it depends from the performance of each team in each season to know the winner which is mostly Ajax Amsterdam. This team is a mine of players, they don't keep them once they found a good buyer in order to get money. Many of their players are young and many sold especially last season so it is normal to see them losing the title.

Bring back Twente asap

In the late 2000 and earlies 2010 Twente was allways fighting for top positions, and i think AZ almark its more in the line of Twente than the top class of Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord.

We are gonna thinks this happen only in this league, but no, in all the leagues its the same.

[macson]

I really dont see Feyenoord maintaning the level, more thinking about they are gonna play Champions League and for me they lack that form necesary to be a good contender to reach at least UEL or 16 teams round.

PSV its a group of good players but they dont have any real connection.

If ajax find their path they are gonna win the league again.

Arne Slot succeeded in making Feyenoord a strong team even as a result of Feyenoord's success, Ligue 1 ^{(France League)} was eliminated from the 5 major world leagues and moved by the Eredivise league, currently ranked 5th ^{(because no team from Ligue 1 has managed to progress further in UCL and UEL)}

no drastic changes have occurred to the Feyenoord squad and also the management is quite stable so that the chance for Feyenoord to return to becoming the Eredivisie champion next season is quite large, Feyenoord's achievements last season were extraordinary, they were almost perfect.

[Koal-84]

PSV will take on Austrian club Sturm Graz in the third round of Champions League qualifying. Sturm Graz had a very good season last year and were hot on the heels of perennial winners Red Bull Salzburg, but it wasn't enough, so I don't think PSV should underestimate them in the qualifying round.

Auf diesen Gegner trifft Sturm Graz in der 3. CL-Quali-Runde

The other draws for the Europa League and Conference Leagues will start soon.

[FanEagle]

The fact that Ligue 1 was dethroned looks funny to me because not like eredevise has a team like PSG to be fair, and the fact that one team could keep them higher may sound like a bad one but that is the reality I believe that they are doing fine and should be considering this as an option.

I think Feyenoord took advantage of a situation, Ajax had a great team and a manager that allowed them to be better than anyone else, and in a span of 2 seasons they lost both their good players and also their manager at the same time, which made them bad and not like Ajax is the type of club that would spend all that money to get new stars, they are spending it on young guys to grow and they will once again be better eventually.

[temple]

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Eredivisie is dominated by Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, AZ Alkmaar and Feyenoord. These teams are alway in top positions and it depends from the performance of each team in each season to know the winner which is mostly Ajax Amsterdam. This team is a mine of players, they don't keep them once they found a good buyer in order to get money. Many of their players are young and many sold especially last season so it is normal to see them losing the title.

Bring back Twente asap

In the late 2000 and earlies 2010 Twente was allways fighting for top positions, and i think AZ almark its more in the line of Twente than the top class of Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord.

We are gonna thinks this happen only in this league, but no, in all the leagues its the same.

This is right about Twente and Alkmaar, but for them it is more like very good episodes within their club history than it is standard to be competing for titles. That's when it is about Ajax and PSV mostly during recent years, but yes Ajax is also struggling every year when they have to release their best players and then try to find new ones, those not yet publicly noticed diamonds that they can then turn into stars. It is a policy that can be painful for a club because every single time they have formed a strong team, it is only a question of time when that team will fall apart again. But there isn't much that Ajax can do about it. The Eredivsie is not the league that players want to spend their career and it can't afford the money that other leagues pay either.

[Volgastallion]

I dont live on Netherlands so i dont know really how big are really the teams, im talking about history and fans ammounts, and im refering to pure fans, the ones from the city of the club not foreigns who comes to see the game for hype.

I think Groningen and Vitesse have a very big base of fans, can anyone confirm?

[Docnaster]

The fact that Ligue 1 was dethroned looks funny to me because not like eredevise has a team like PSG to be fair, and the fact that one team could keep them higher may sound like a bad one but that is the reality I believe that they are doing fine and should be considering this as an option.

I think Feyenoord took advantage of a situation, Ajax had a great team and a manager that allowed them to be better than anyone else, and in a span of 2 seasons they lost both their good players and also their manager at the same time, which made them bad and not like Ajax is the type of club that would spend all that money to get new stars, they are spending it on young guys to grow and they will once again be better eventually.

Ajax were known to be the dominant club in the Dutch League over the years but Feyenoord has recently shown that the Dutch League isn't a one club show and that's a good advertisement of the league to the rest of the world.
Ajax main problem is how to keep their best players at the club for a longer time because they're always priced away from them by the big European heavyweights who are more financially capacitated than Ajax. Many European clubs are currently offering great deals to sign Kudus away from the club this summer

[casperBGD]

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I think Groningen and Vitesse have a very big base of fans, can anyone confirm?

not sure about Vitesse, but Groningen has a solid fan base, maybe not that large, but passionate

AFAIK, Feyenoord and Ajax have much larger fan base compared to PSV, but that is also subjective
although fan base doesn't make a team good, some teams are full of money, no fan base and still within top each year
AZ also does not have large fan base, as far as I know, but that doesn't make them bad team

[Koal-84]

Ajax were known to be the dominant club in the Dutch League over the years but Feyenoord has recently shown that the Dutch League isn't a one club show and that's a good advertisement of the league to the rest of the world.
Ajax main problem is how to keep their best players at the club for a longer time because they're always priced away from them by the big European heavyweights who are more financially capacitated than Ajax. Many European clubs are currently offering great deals to sign Kudus away from the club this summer

I would agree that Ajax has always been the dominant team in the Dutch league, but in my opinion Ajax also laid the dominant foundation with its "miracle team" in 1995. With the Champions League win and the money available, the academy was created and Ajax always needed talents and then sold them for a profit.

Due to the financially stronger leagues in England, Spain and Germany, it was unfortunately almost impossible to keep a team together to win the Champions League again, but that's the way it is. I think Ajax will again play a dominant role in the Dutch league for the next 5 years.