Eredivisie 23/24 - discussion thread

[Slow death]

Volendam 1 - 4 Ajax

Despite this incredible victory for Ajax, they have no chance of going to the European competitions, and what Ajax is going through is a lot of humiliation, finishing in position 5 is very disappointing, when I look at the table:

That's not true, now they're 5th what would give them spot in Europa league qualification. If they will finish 6th, they will have playoff between 6-9 placed teams for spot in Conference league.

Thanks for the correction, I didn't know there was still a chance for them to go to the European league, I hope they get that spot. Finishing in 5th position is not good, if at least they had finished in 4th position it could have been acceptable, but a team like Ajax being in 5th position and still depending on entering the European League indirectly is shameful. I wonder what changes the Ajax management will make next season to make the team champion, because if they keep things the same way, then next season they won't be able to be champions, the top teams will keep a large part of their squad and coaches, so they will have a good chance of winning the league next season


In my opinion, the most difficult part for the players and coaches of a team is when the end of the league comes and they are faced with situations like this:



Relegation is the hardest part that players, coaches and team management face. because they lose a lot when they are relegated, they lose a lot of money, they lose the attention of the big companies that sponsor the teams. Companies want attention, so they will sponsor big teams and teams that are in the major leagues. players from the main teams have a greater chance of being hired by the big teams, coaches from the main teams also have a chance of being hired by the big teams. but when they are in the second division leagues, they lose all that. In the main league, teams earn more money, when they are relegated they will earn less money and it becomes difficult to return to the main league

[Volgastallion]

Relegation for a team is a no joke, it can destroy your team for a long term period, the key thing is if you are a big or small team, because if you are a big one you are gonna survive and eventually comeback from the lowe divisions, but if you are a small team and you lose the spot in first division you can lose steam and so much money and without a good and big background you can start to fall more.

[Distraction]

Relegation for a team is a no joke, it can destroy your team for a long term period, the key thing is if you are a big or small team, because if you are a big one you are gonna survive and eventually comeback from the lowe divisions, but if you are a small team and you lose the spot in first division you can lose steam and so much money and without a good and big background you can start to fall more.

Indeed. For example Vitesse are having a nightmare season. 18 points have been deducted from them because of breaching licensing regulations and providing incorrect information to investigating authorities more than once.

The source: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2024-04-19/historic-points-deduction-for-vitesse-after-abramovich-investigation/

This punishment has literally killed Vitesse's hopes for the season. Even if they had those deleted points now it wasn't going to be enough for the 15th place to keep their hopes for staying.

From now on I really wonder what is going to happen to Vitesse. A few seasons ago, they were fighting for upper places. But now they are in a terrible condition. 

[QueenVera]

Thanks for the correction, I didn't know there was still a chance for them to go to the European league, I hope they get that spot. Finishing in 5th position is not good, if at least they had finished in 4th position it could have been acceptable, but a team like Ajax being in 5th position and still depending on entering the European League indirectly is shameful. I wonder what changes the Ajax management will make next season to make the team champion, because if they keep things the same way, then next season they won't be able to be champions, the top teams will keep a large part of their squad and coaches, so they will have a good chance of winning the league next season


In my opinion, the most difficult part for the players and coaches of a team is when the end of the league comes and they are faced with situations like this:


Relegation is the hardest part that players, coaches and team management face. because they lose a lot when they are relegated, they lose a lot of money, they lose the attention of the big companies that sponsor the teams. Companies want attention, so they will sponsor big teams and teams that are in the major leagues. players from the main teams have a greater chance of being hired by the big teams, coaches from the main teams also have a chance of being hired by the big teams. but when they are in the second division leagues, they lose all that. In the main league, teams earn more money, when they are relegated they will earn less money and it becomes difficult to return to the main league

Just going through the Eredivise table and I can see they’re left with just a match and you can safely say that Ajax are locked in 5th place. Well that’s a big one for them because that’s an Europa League qualification and I think they tried real hard and fought for this position and they can be commended to an extent.

 ⁠Well we’re not used to see Ajax in this kind of position, rather we’re used to see them participating in the UCL but rather this season they had a big setback. Now you will begin to winder what are the chances for them to do even better next season, because most sponsors will want to see their clubs in the UCL and not the UEL and will they be able to attract players to their club
 
 ⁠Well most players love to participate in clubs in the UCL and as such with Ajax fate of UEL, theN you can say that UEL is  going to be one very big barricade to them getting better signings for themselves. Well the board have to act fast and try to get proper signings and also change the management of the club, I think this club needs to properly rebuild so as to get back on the radar because they’re now a shadow of themselves.
 
 ⁠Just like what a team faces while going for relegation, the same is for a team who is not participating in the UCL, there is always a problem when they want to sign players. The financial impacts of this miss will be great and this is a more reason why the board must be very strategic in their move.

[fullhdpixel]

Relegation for a team is a no joke, it can destroy your team for a long term period, the key thing is if you are a big or small team, because if you are a big one you are gonna survive and eventually comeback from the lowe divisions, but if you are a small team and you lose the spot in first division you can lose steam and so much money and without a good and big background you can start to fall more.

Indeed. For example Vitesse are having a nightmare season. 18 points have been deducted from them because of breaching licensing regulations and providing incorrect information to investigating authorities more than once.

The source: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2024-04-19/historic-points-deduction-for-vitesse-after-abramovich-investigation/

This punishment has literally killed Vitesse's hopes for the season. Even if they had those deleted points now it wasn't going to be enough for the 15th place to keep their hopes for staying.

From now on I really wonder what is going to happen to Vitesse. A few seasons ago, they were fighting for upper places. But now they are in a terrible condition. 

Things like these are not new in European leagues with we have many teams which were fighting for the top spots and then suddenly ended in relegation zone even many are still trying to survive for the spot in their respective leagues in last 2 decades I personally watch many ups and downs for the many clubs with now we are having Vitesse which is punished rightly as things like these are also impotent if you want to keep play with the rule of Fair Play most chances now they will be not able to have themselves back into league in next few years which could be huge setback for them.

Dutch League is now improving their quality which is good thing, and they need to be at this level with having consistency has never been easy but still important as they could be increase their numbers in UEFA.

[Hanadawa]

Just like what a team faces while going for relegation, the same is for a team who is not participating in the UCL, there is always a problem when they want to sign players. The financial impacts of this miss will be great and this is a more reason why the board must be very strategic in their move.

If it is a famous player then I think it will be difficult for Ajax to sign him because they do not follow the UCL. But I don't think it will have a significant impact. In my opinion, only players in tier S should consider playing in the UCL. There are still many players who are ready to be recruited from other clubs or teams lower than Ajax. The club board can also provide an optimistic argument that with this player their team will successfully enter the UCL next season. This could also be a win-win solution because players who succeed in bringing the team into the UCL will increase their market value.

[Jossque]

Vitesse and Ajax could not meet in the last week of the league.Vitesse had no chance to stay in the league as they had already been penalized points in the league.They managed to get points from this match with the goal of Steven Berghuis in Ajax in the last minutes.
Feyenoord, on the other hand, won in the last match.Feyenoord managed to score 4 goals in the second half of the match, which ended scoreless in the first half, and managed to win the match comfortably.
AZ Alkmaar drew with 3 goals in the second half of the match, which closed the first half 3-0 ahead.They had a chance to get 3 points from this match in the last match of the league, but they could not even manage that. In the 60th minute, De Wit's red card disrupted the whole game plan.

[QueenVera]

Things like these are not new in European leagues with we have many teams which were fighting for the top spots and then suddenly ended in relegation zone even many are still trying to survive for the spot in their respective leagues in last 2 decades I personally watch many ups and downs for the many clubs with now we are having Vitesse which is punished rightly as things like these are also impotent if you want to keep play with the rule of Fair Play most chances now they will be not able to have themselves back into league in next few years which could be huge setback for them.

Dutch League is now improving their quality which is good thing, and they need to be at this level with having consistency has never been easy but still important as they could be increase their numbers in UEFA.

Vitesse have not had a very good run of form and you can say so from the way they still remain in the relegation zone as they haven’t been able to get enough points to help them off that zone. Now they have been hit with points deduction and you can only begin to imagine what their hope will now look like in the run to come off relegation. Well as it stands, they’re real hopeless and it’s evidently clear they won’t be remaining in the main leagues next season.

 Now you begin to wonder what all happened in this run that led to this poor form because this wasn’t the team we knew some season back that was challenging for the top half of the league. Well most clubs especially across Europe are in this kind of situation, challenge the big boys for a while and after that you see them folding up and returning to relegation. So this situation of Vitesse is more like familiar in the football space and we aren’t surprised though.

 The punishment yes could have been severe but I feel it better serves as a reminder that it’s safer to stick to FFP rule. ⁠I think with this move we can tell how much the league body wants to improve the face of the league and now I wish the clubs too also improve their style of play. This will help them majorly when they get to UEFA competition to challenge the other clubs across Europe.

[el kaka22]

I feel like Ajax going down is mainly because they are running a sustainable club. Sure that means they are not going to be insanely well in a second just because they got money, but look at the last 5 years or so and how much money they made from transfers.

I am not sure how correct the data is, but I can tell you from transfermarkt that it is about 200 million euros. Do you think that they spent all of that money on something else? This isn't the revenue, I am talking about 200 million euros after all the players they bought too, because they made so much by selling. The point is that they are not rushing to get the new star and spend 50 on many players, they are sustainable, and that means sometimes they take a stepback and rebuild and get that money again.

[Distraction]

We have another change of manager for Ajax by the end of June... Farioli has been signed for next season. He is starting his job at Ajax by July 1.



This is literally 5th manager Ajax have had in the last year. It is really crazy you know.    This isn't a healthy way to recover. I always say that because you need to give your manager a proper time to improve the team. If you give them only one season or even a shorter time then it is harder for you to rise in the standings.

I won't be surprised if they act unfair to Farioli also. 

[Pandorak]

We have another change of manager for Ajax by the end of June... Farioli has been signed for next season. He is starting his job at Ajax by July 1.



This is literally 5th manager Ajax have had in the last year. It is really crazy you know.    This isn't a healthy way to recover. I always say that because you need to give your manager a proper time to improve the team. If you give them only one season or even a shorter time then it is harder for you to rise in the standings.

I won't be surprised if they act unfair to Farioli also. 

Changing managers in a short time will never produce good results, it's no wonder Ajax Amsterdam is not in the top 2 this season. Francesco Farioli managed to make Nice have better results than last season, maybe that was the team's expectation as to why they recruited him, contrary to your opinion buddy, i think Farioli can stay a little longer at Ajax because he will start from the start of the season.

[snipie]

Changing managers in a short time will never produce good results, it's no wonder Ajax Amsterdam is not in the top 2 this season. Francesco Farioli managed to make Nice have better results than last season, maybe that was the team's expectation as to why they recruited him, contrary to your opinion buddy, i think Farioli can stay a little longer at Ajax because he will start from the start of the season.

Ajax staff should be happy with the actual results of their team since at the beginning, Ajax Amsterdam was basically in the relegation zone and doing miserable. We could understand changing the first coach (second in the table) by October due to the failure and the second change is just a temporarily coach. By that time, Ajax improved and was able to pick a Europa League qualifiers spot which was something the most optimistic one did not see it coming with the team being awkwardly at the bottom of the table..

[Jossque]

In the Conference League Play-off final match, Utrecht lost the match in extra time.I expected Utrecht to defeat their opponent, but Go Ahead really pushed their opponent.Nick Viergever scored 1 goal each for his own goal and the opponent's goal and took the match to extra time.In extra time, Utrecht could not prevent Kramer's goal in the 117th minute and unfortunately lost this match.Perhaps this was the biggest share of the loss of Utrecht, who played the extra minutes with 10 men.It was a sad result for them.