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July 14, 2023, 10:52:24 PM
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The US and Nato lost, even if things drag on for a while.

It depends...
Russia lost more than half of its military. It can retrain soldiers, but most of its modern armament has been lost. Analysts say they've lost its offensive capability for 10-15 years.
They did not reach their goals like taking Kiev, assassinating Zelenskyy and planting their puppet government.
They lost trade deals with Europe and some military deals with countries who saw Russian jets and helicopters being decimated by modern missiles.
The counteroffensive isn't going well, but let's not forget that Russians were surrounding Kiev and now they're hiding in the trenches hundreds of miles to the East.

IMO there's no clear winner or loser here. The war is ongoing and it's not going to stop just like that. This conflict is going to continue for years, pretty much the way it is in Gaza.
Russians effectively pushed Ukraine into the arms of the EU and NATO. If that's a win, I wouldn't want to be the winner.

But wheredo you get the idea that Russia lost half of its military? If you check through my posts here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=149737;sa=showPosts, you will see some by Retired Col. Douglas Macgregor that disputes this idea. And there are others... like the ones that show that Russia is killing off 7 Ukrainian solders for every 1 that they lose.

Here is how bad it is getting for Ukraine (in addition to the article in my post you linked to)... Biden preparing the US Reserves for war in Ukraine.


Ordering the Selected Reserve & Certain Members of the Individual Ready Reserve of the Armed Forces



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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 121 and 12304 of title 10, United States Code, I hereby determine that it is necessary to augment the active Armed Forces of the United States for the effective conduct of Operation Atlantic Resolve in and around the United States European Command's area of responsibility.  In furtherance of this operation, under the stated authority, I hereby authorize the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard when it is not operating as a service in the Navy, under their respective jurisdictions, to order to active duty any units, and any individual members not assigned to a unit organized to serve as a unit of the Selected Reserve, or any member in the Individual Ready Reserve mobilization category and designated as essential under regulations prescribed by the Secretary concerned, not to exceed 3,000 total members at any one time, of whom not more than 450 may be members of the Individual Ready Reserve, as they deem necessary, and to terminate the service of those units and members ordered to active duty.

     This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
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July 14, 2023, 11:45:54 PM
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The US and Nato lost, even if things drag on for a while.

It depends...
Russia lost more than half of its military. It can retrain soldiers, but most of its modern armament has been lost. Analysts say they've lost its offensive capability for 10-15 years.
They did not reach their goals like taking Kiev, assassinating Zelenskyy and planting their puppet government.
They lost trade deals with Europe and some military deals with countries who saw Russian jets and helicopters being decimated by modern missiles.
The counteroffensive isn't going well, but let's not forget that Russians were surrounding Kiev and now they're hiding in the trenches hundreds of miles to the East.

IMO there's no clear winner or loser here. The war is ongoing and it's not going to stop just like that. This conflict is going to continue for years, pretty much the way it is in Gaza.
Russians effectively pushed Ukraine into the arms of the EU and NATO. If that's a win, I wouldn't want to be the winner.

The trolls in Youtube, forums and Twitter are calling game over and have been doing so for quite a while...yet everyday there are clashes, minor advances - sometimes no that minor compared to the RF offensives last year.

This is obviously targeted to the US and EU population since the RF believes that people are actually as ignorant and stupid as they are and the support from NATO countries will fade if they cry  loud enough about non-existent claims of "offensive having failed". It is very easy to spot since they were first questioning the offensive and then stated calling it a failure from day 0.  

The fact is that Ukraine has barely used 10% of the assault forces, US and Europe are supplying materials to replace the losses and it is clear on the battlefield that the technical superiority of the US artillery systems is demolishing the RF arty positions. Not to mention the recent declarations of a well-known RF general point out the serious issues that the RF army has to hold the lines with a very limited supply - and getting demoted immediately. This is to be taken with a pinch of salt, but still credible.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/12/europe/russian-general-treachery-accusations-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

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A senior Russian general in command of forces in occupied southern Ukraine says he was suddenly dismissed from his post after accusing Moscow’s Defense Ministry leadership of betraying his troops by not providing sufficient support.

Gen. Ivan Popov was the commander of the 58th Combined Arms Army, which has been engaged in heavy fighting in the Zaporizhzhia region. He is one of the most senior officers to have taken part in the bloody Russian campaign in Ukraine.

Popov said he had raised questions about “the lack of counter-battery combat, the absence of artillery reconnaissance stations and the mass deaths and injuries of our brothers from enemy artillery,” in a voice note published on Telegram late Wednesday.

That is not a coincidence - Ukraine has been targeting supply lines and depots well behind the enemy lines since they got the stormshadow.

The fact is that nobody would be surprised if Ukraine liberated Bakhmut - just 10 times faster than the RF took to invade it.

As I have said many a few times, fronts do not collapse on frontal blind assaults, but after a period of attrition, diminishing supplies and general low morale, it can happen at pretty much any time. Oh, and as a clue, some sources are saying that Ukraine has more active tanks than the RF as of now.






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July 15, 2023, 07:34:56 AM
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The US and Nato lost, even if things drag on for a while.

It depends...
Russia lost more than half of its military. It can retrain soldiers, but most of its modern armament has been lost. Analysts say they've lost its offensive capability for 10-15 years.
They did not reach their goals like taking Kiev, assassinating Zelenskyy and planting their puppet government.
They lost trade deals with Europe and some military deals with countries who saw Russian jets and helicopters being decimated by modern missiles.
The counteroffensive isn't going well, but let's not forget that Russians were surrounding Kiev and now they're hiding in the trenches hundreds of miles to the East.

IMO there's no clear winner or loser here. The war is ongoing and it's not going to stop just like that. This conflict is going to continue for years, pretty much the way it is in Gaza.
Russians effectively pushed Ukraine into the arms of the EU and NATO. If that's a win, I wouldn't want to be the winner.

That is a great win if Ukraine joins NATO,this means Russia will not ever attack Ukraine again unless it likes to be bombarded the hell out of it.While I don't know if I can call Ukraine a winner so far they sure are the superiors in this war having lost less than 20% attacking power while Russia is the clear loser as they have lost as you say their modern armaments as they are attacking now with Iranian made drones which honestly are not effective at all against Patriot air defense systems,they have lost economically,they have lost in a military way as over 200.000 soldiers are already dead and it takes time to replace them without proper training of the newly recruits,they have also lost geo-politically as both Finland and Sweden joined NATO and Ukraine won't take much before doing the same.The outcome of this war for Russia is total isolation.

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July 15, 2023, 08:47:27 AM
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The US and Nato lost, even if things drag on for a while.

It depends...
Russia lost more than half of its military. It can retrain soldiers, but most of its modern armament has been lost. Analysts say they've lost its offensive capability for 10-15 years.
They did not reach their goals like taking Kiev, assassinating Zelenskyy and planting their puppet government.
They lost trade deals with Europe and some military deals with countries who saw Russian jets and helicopters being decimated by modern missiles.
The counteroffensive isn't going well, but let's not forget that Russians were surrounding Kiev and now they're hiding in the trenches hundreds of miles to the East.

IMO there's no clear winner or loser here. The war is ongoing and it's not going to stop just like that. This conflict is going to continue for years, pretty much the way it is in Gaza.
Russians effectively pushed Ukraine into the arms of the EU and NATO. If that's a win, I wouldn't want to be the winner.

That is a great win if Ukraine joins NATO,this means Russia will not ever attack Ukraine again unless it likes to be bombarded the hell out of it.While I don't know if I can call Ukraine a winner so far they sure are the superiors in this war having lost less than 20% attacking power while Russia is the clear loser as they have lost as you say their modern armaments as they are attacking now with Iranian made drones which honestly are not effective at all against Patriot air defense systems,they have lost economically,they have lost in a military way as over 200.000 soldiers are already dead and it takes time to replace them without proper training of the newly recruits,they have also lost geo-politically as both Finland and Sweden joined NATO and Ukraine won't take much before doing the same.The outcome of this war for Russia is total isolation.


Out of your whole post, only true part is Finland and Sweden joining NATO
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July 15, 2023, 10:08:57 AM
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The US and Nato lost, even if things drag on for a while.

It depends...
Russia lost more than half of its military. It can retrain soldiers, but most of its modern armament has been lost. Analysts say they've lost its offensive capability for 10-15 years.
They did not reach their goals like taking Kiev, assassinating Zelenskyy and planting their puppet government.
They lost trade deals with Europe and some military deals with countries who saw Russian jets and helicopters being decimated by modern missiles.
The counteroffensive isn't going well, but let's not forget that Russians were surrounding Kiev and now they're hiding in the trenches hundreds of miles to the East.

IMO there's no clear winner or loser here. The war is ongoing and it's not going to stop just like that. This conflict is going to continue for years, pretty much the way it is in Gaza.
Russians effectively pushed Ukraine into the arms of the EU and NATO. If that's a win, I wouldn't want to be the winner.

That is a great win if Ukraine joins NATO,this means Russia will not ever attack Ukraine again unless it likes to be bombarded the hell out of it.While I don't know if I can call Ukraine a winner so far they sure are the superiors in this war having lost less than 20% attacking power while Russia is the clear loser as they have lost as you say their modern armaments as they are attacking now with Iranian made drones which honestly are not effective at all against Patriot air defense systems,they have lost economically,they have lost in a military way as over 200.000 soldiers are already dead and it takes time to replace them without proper training of the newly recruits,they have also lost geo-politically as both Finland and Sweden joined NATO and Ukraine won't take much before doing the same.The outcome of this war for Russia is total isolation.


Out of your whole post, only true part is Finland and Sweden joining NATO

You forgot also to mention that most probably that 200.000 soldiers dead now is much more with these reservists that just had 3 weeks of training barely and they were sent straight to Ukraine in the front line as cannon fodder.Of course you will have much difficulty in swallowing this information as your brainwashing sources will tell you that a mere 20.000 soldiers have been killed and that no reservist is risking their life in the front line in Ukraine,personally I have no problem what you want to absorb from my posts as long as you agrees to even a certain amount of the truth it means you are not completely brainwashed yet by Russian propaganda.

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July 15, 2023, 02:05:20 PM
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You forgot also to mention that most probably that 200.000 soldiers dead now is much more with these reservists that just had 3 weeks of training barely and they were sent straight to Ukraine in the front line as cannon fodder.Of course you will have much difficulty in swallowing this information as your brainwashing sources will tell you that a mere 20.000 soldiers have been killed and that no reservist is risking their life in the front line in Ukraine,personally I have no problem what you want to absorb from my posts as long as you agrees to even a certain amount of the truth it means you are not completely brainwashed yet by Russian propaganda.

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July 15, 2023, 11:48:48 PM
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You forgot also to mention that most probably that 200.000 soldiers dead now is much more with these reservists that just had 3 weeks of training barely and they were sent straight to Ukraine in the front line as cannon fodder.Of course you will have much difficulty in swallowing this information as your brainwashing sources will tell you that a mere 20.000 soldiers have been killed and that no reservist is risking their life in the front line in Ukraine,personally I have no problem what you want to absorb from my posts as long as you agrees to even a certain amount of the truth it means you are not completely brainwashed yet by Russian propaganda.

Yes, I'm brainwashed by Sky News  Grin Grin Grin

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-irish-fighter-rambo-describes-terrifying-russia-tank-chase-all-of-us-were-screaming-12919142

You are not brainwashed by any external source. I think it may be related to your own hormones, probably the Stalinistina and the Ruzzzisina that you seem to naturally produce.

If you like showing scary stuff you may want to have a look at a full artillery column being HIMARsed. but I am not particularly a fan of these, I rather look at the wider picture and that picture speaks of Russia not advancing, Ukraine making some interesting positional gains and a clear factor of attrition in RF logistics.


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July 15, 2023, 11:55:02 PM
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I don't think the Russia-Ukraine conflict will end easily. Russia maintains war with Ukraine. On the other hand, Russia wants to take some parts of Ukraine for which they are continuing this war. Because if Russia can occupy some part of Ukraine then it is their own gain.

It has become a long term conflict, or at least it seems to becoming one, sadly.
The only thing about it which I would call positive is the fact that Russia alone cannot hold a long term battle against Ukraine alone, for now the Klemlin depends on the support of their biggest ally: The popular Republic of China.

If someone USA convinced or pressured Chine to stop their military and economical aid to Putin, then Russia would have it very difficult to continue their attacks, they already are getting in trouble economically being their cheap offer of energy a sample of it, in my opinion.

Id wish this non-sense stopped right now, if possible...

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July 16, 2023, 04:31:44 PM
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Arrogant Ukraine. I think that we need to make Ukraine a State of the United States. Then it will be ours, and we can even move there. In addition, Ukraine owes it to us for all the money and armament we have given them. Besides, it would be a lot easier to freely trade with Russia that way. We all could probably get some of the BRICS gold backed currency (that is coming out in the near future) that way.


FL Rep. Luna: Ukraine asks $200 per day from every American to establish mercenary army like Russia’s Wagner Group



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Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL) revealed that the Ukrainian Parliament demanded $200 per day from every American to create a mercenary army similar to Moscow's Wagner Group.

During a recent appearance at Steve Bannon's "War Room," Luna said she took a trip to meet with representatives from the parliament in Poland in May, along with four other Republicans and two Democrats. This is how she learned about Kyiv's demand for help in the war against Russia in the form of payments and fighter jets.

"They want to not only demand that Americans pay $200 every single day, every American in the country because it is our 'obligation' according to Ukraine so that they can defend the western world from Russia. But they are also saying that they want F-35s," she said. "And if that isn't crazy enough, they're saying that after Russia leaves Crimea, where their head is, they're going to potentially privatize and create a mercenary army similar to the Wagner Group. So that is the mindset of Ukraine," Luna said.

The Wagner Group is a private militia group that took the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut earlier in the Russia-Ukraine war before handing it over to Russian President Vladimir Putin's troops. After more than a year, Yevgeny Prigozhin, Wagner's leader, staged a short-lived coup that failed. However, Putin met with the leader in the days following.

As a guest on Bannon's Tuesday show, Luna pointed out the absurdity of the United States' continuous support of Ukraine. She even called out President Joe Biden's administration for stepping up military assistance to Ukraine, saying the crisis in the Eastern Europe nation is "not our problem."

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"I want to remind everyone that Ukraine had the option to join NATO and they didn't," Luna told Bannon. "So, they want to get housing insurance essentially after their house flooded and that's not our problem. We don't represent Ukraine, we represent the United States."
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July 16, 2023, 07:39:46 PM
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You forgot also to mention that most probably that 200.000 soldiers dead now is much more with these reservists that just had 3 weeks of training barely and they were sent straight to Ukraine in the front line as cannon fodder.Of course you will have much difficulty in swallowing this information as your brainwashing sources will tell you that a mere 20.000 soldiers have been killed and that no reservist is risking their life in the front line in Ukraine,personally I have no problem what you want to absorb from my posts as long as you agrees to even a certain amount of the truth it means you are not completely brainwashed yet by Russian propaganda.

Yes, I'm brainwashed by Sky News  Grin Grin Grin

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-irish-fighter-rambo-describes-terrifying-russia-tank-chase-all-of-us-were-screaming-12919142

I only saw the news and in the Guardian which is my favorite source it says that Ukrainian advancing in all fronts and Ukrainian army claiming we will crush Russians in pieces,that is what I want to see and I like.Russia is terrified as they are not at all progressing and losing little by little territories each passing day meaning their presence in Ukraine will not last long.All the drones that Russia intercepted in Crimea,Sevastopol is clear sign that the counteroffensive despite being slow it is ongoing,the maritime transport was suspended for several hours there while Ukraine is intensifying their attempts in the east.

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July 16, 2023, 08:55:26 PM
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This is the real motive why the war started,the zones in which Russia claim to have been had referendums wanting to go to Russia had only sham referendums and the reality is that they are rich in lithium,yes the substance that makes the batteries for electrical cars,it is a huge market this one and Russia does not want to miss out,they have their ill imperial fantasies since centuries now.The second is that through these parts they can cut Ukrainian grains from shipping from such ports and ship their own grain,in the end every war has invading fantasies that will make the country that does this war richer,it is the same always.

In accordance to the constitution of Ukraine - there's no need to hold any referendums:

"The land of Ukraine and minerals in it belongs to the people of Ukraine. Property rights on behalf of the people of Ukraine are delegated to the heads of regions (oblasts)" (c) Constitution of Ukraine.

So, basically - a head of oblast can do any sh*t he wants, like join USA, and the only need for referendum is to convince USA that the people, indeed, want to join it. Or else - there are no property rights and the Constitution is just an expensive substitute for toilet paper.

There is definitely a certain percentage of "pro-russian" population in Ukraine - and either it'll be eliminated, physically, or they have the right to join whomever they want - taking what belongs to them according to the laws, that is. I don't know what's for do we need that kind of people and each elections splitting the country by half, or parties activities, church being forbidden and so on. It is impossible to build any democracy if there are existential incompatibilities inside the country unless politicians will stop the radicalization of the society inside it or those incompatibilities get eliminated one way or another.
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July 16, 2023, 09:10:39 PM
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"I want to remind everyone that Ukraine had the option to join NATO and they didn't," Luna told Bannon. "So, they want to get housing insurance essentially after their house flooded and that's not our problem. We don't represent Ukraine, we represent the United States."
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Ukraine never had such an option. Only politicians inside Ukraine were claiming they want to join NATO for years - but those claims were definitely not accepted by NATO multiple times, inside the country they were also causing tensions. After all - it was predicted in 1990s that Ukraine joining NATO will cause a war with Russia. On the other hand - NATO refused to guarantee not accepting Ukraine in the future.
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July 16, 2023, 11:37:25 PM
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Out of your whole post, only true part is Finland and Sweden joining NATO
Ok, let's say it's all lies what he posted. But where is your real facts? You want to say Iranian drones is very effective and almost all of them reach targets, Patriot system isn't effective at all and Russia didn't lost huge number of their troops in this war?

If you like showing scary stuff you may want to have a look at a full artillery column being HIMARsed. but I am not particularly a fan of these, I rather look at the wider picture and that picture speaks of Russia not advancing, Ukraine making some interesting positional gains and a clear factor of attrition in RF logistics.
I'm not sure you did it intentionally or no, but this video was uploaded more than year. Anyway, HIMARS is still doing their job very effectively despite that Russia destroyed all of them long time ago. In recent days there was at least several videos about successful attacks against Russian Air Defense systems.

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July 17, 2023, 12:36:31 AM
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Out of your whole post, only true part is Finland and Sweden joining NATO
Ok, let's say it's all lies what he posted. But where is your real facts? You want to say Iranian drones is very effective and almost all of them reach targets, Patriot system isn't effective at all and Russia didn't lost huge number of their troops in this war?

If you like showing scary stuff you may want to have a look at a full artillery column being HIMARsed. but I am not particularly a fan of these, I rather look at the wider picture and that picture speaks of Russia not advancing, Ukraine making some interesting positional gains and a clear factor of attrition in RF logistics.
I'm not sure you did it intentionally or no, but this video was uploaded more than year. Anyway, HIMARS is still doing their job very effectively despite that Russia destroyed all of them long time ago. In recent days there was at least several videos about successful attacks against Russian Air Defense systems.

Thanks for point that out, there are a few more recent yes, showing coordination between drones and HIMARS that show awesome coordination and combined arms in practice (to a point, since there are few planes and choppers).

It seems that Ukraine has adapted the tactics and are trying to find the right "grinding" process. Speaking of massive advances at this point would not be realistic, but what is happening in the background is as important in terms of getting to artillery attrition in a location and then going over demining, trench clearing and digging in. Looks slow, but also looks like the process is being refined.


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July 17, 2023, 02:45:24 AM
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If I were a Russian living in Crimea or other occupied territories I would start packing NOW.

Crimean Bridge is out of service, AGAIN. LOL.

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July 17, 2023, 07:30:28 AM
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If I were a Russian living in Crimea or other occupied territories I would start packing NOW.

Crimean Bridge is out of service, AGAIN. LOL.

Instead, crazy Russians seem pissed and volunteer for frontline in even bigger numbers

Story about wounded girl that lost mother and father in attack is as good as FSB could
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July 17, 2023, 08:03:20 AM
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If I were a Russian living in Crimea or other occupied territories I would start packing NOW.

Crimean Bridge is out of service, AGAIN. LOL.

I am sorry for the little girl who was injured there and that her parents died but Russia does not learn in any other way.There were a lot of people in the Crimean bridge right now from the traffic jam which is in kilometers because Russians were going on holiday there on Crimea,normally only crazy people go on holiday in a war zone like Crimea is.If I were those people in the Kerch bridge I would go back to Russia as who knows,some other underwater drones may be used again and this would be a catastrophic tragedy for all the people who still insist on staying there.Russia should start asking their citizens back from the bridge if they care about them at all.

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July 17, 2023, 01:54:22 PM
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I don't think the Russia-Ukraine conflict will end easily. Russia maintains war with Ukraine. On the other hand, Russia wants to take some parts of Ukraine for which they are continuing this war. Because if Russia can occupy some part of Ukraine then it is their own gain.

It has become a long term conflict, or at least it seems to becoming one, sadly.
The only thing about it which I would call positive is the fact that Russia alone cannot hold a long term battle against Ukraine alone, for now the Klemlin depends on the support of their biggest ally: The popular Republic of China.

If someone USA convinced or pressured Chine to stop their military and economical aid to Putin, then Russia would have it very difficult to continue their attacks, they already are getting in trouble economically being their cheap offer of energy a sample of it, in my opinion.

Id wish this non-sense stopped right now, if possible...

This caught my eye, think you have fundamental misunderstanding of the conflict, which puts you in a constant state of bewilderment as to why something is (or is not) happening. Your curios mind led you here for answers, but all the local clown "experts" (propagandists) can do, is to overwhelm you with irrelevant micro level information to sway you their way. Any macro questions are discouraged and just covered by "crazy orcs" or nazis, to dissuade any further questions.

Look at US/NATO military bases around China, look where major military build up is happening outside of Ukraine theater, look at blockade of Cuba that's still going on for 30yrs+ and if anyone really cares for the right of sovereign nations or its people, and current justifications for it. Then ask yourself how long would the commie regime last after the fall of Russia and the sudden onset of democracy cookies (soft power) taken from the "irrelevant" countries/regions of the world and strategically given out say in Kazakhstan? Then the question whether the nation that coined such phrases as "death by a thousand cuts" and "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by" can be convinced or pressured into stopping aid to Russia, should becomes irrelevant. As well as shed some light on why this counteroffensive was so drummed up, how it's really going, what will happen in about 8 weeks, mid September, once weather changes and any maneuvering becomes impossible and we revert back to positional arty scorched earth advances. Think which side is more affected by the build up of social/financial/political pressures/trends going into the winter and look into who historically benefits from this season

https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-open-japan-office-enable-indo-pacific-consultation-report-2023-05-03

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I am sorry for the little girl who was injured there and that her parents died but Russia does not learn in any other way.There were a lot of people in the Crimean bridge right now from the traffic jam which is in kilometers because Russians were going on holiday there on Crimea,normally only crazy people go on holiday in a war zone like Crimea is.If I were those people in the Kerch bridge I would go back to Russia as who knows,some other underwater drones may be used again and this would be a catastrophic tragedy for all the people who still insist on staying there.Russia should start asking their citizens back from the bridge if they care about them at all.

Parents decide to travel through a war zone with their child and everybody is amazed that they got killed? These people showed a total lack of responsibility for their child.
If this was the beginning of the war and they were trying to escape the conflict and died, like so many Ukrainians in 2020, I'd be more struck by their deaths, but they were careless and thought all these horrible things they were reading in the papers for a year could not happen to them.
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July 17, 2023, 02:32:30 PM
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If I were a Russian living in Crimea or other occupied territories I would start packing NOW.

Crimean Bridge is out of service, AGAIN. LOL.

Instead, crazy Russians seem pissed and volunteer for frontline in even bigger numbers

Story about wounded girl that lost mother and father in attack is as good as FSB could
ask for

Of course Branko, everyone is useful for the mission right?

I don't think the Russia-Ukraine conflict will end easily. Russia maintains war with Ukraine. On the other hand, Russia wants to take some parts of Ukraine for which they are continuing this war. Because if Russia can occupy some part of Ukraine then it is their own gain.

It has become a long term conflict, or at least it seems to becoming one, sadly.
The only thing about it which I would call positive is the fact that Russia alone cannot hold a long term battle against Ukraine alone, for now the Klemlin depends on the support of their biggest ally: The popular Republic of China.

If someone USA convinced or pressured Chine to stop their military and economical aid to Putin, then Russia would have it very difficult to continue their attacks, they already are getting in trouble economically being their cheap offer of energy a sample of it, in my opinion.

Id wish this non-sense stopped right now, if possible...

This caught my eye, think you have fundamental misunderstanding of the conflict, which puts you in a constant state of bewilderment as to why something is (or is not) happening. Your curios mind led you here for answers, but all the local clown "experts" (propagandists) can do, is to overwhelm you with irrelevant micro level information to sway you their way. Any macro questions are discouraged and just covered by "crazy orcs" or nazis, to dissuade any further questions.

Look at US/NATO military bases around China, looks where major military build up is happening outside of Ukraine theater, look at blockade of Cuba that's still going on for 30yrs+ any if anyone really cares for the right of sovereign nations or its people, and current justifications for it. Then ask yourself how long would the commie regime last after the fall of Russia and the sudden onset of democracy cookies (soft power) onto Kazakhstan. Then the question whether the nation that coined such phrases as "death by a thousand cuts" and "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by" can be convinced or pressured into stopping aid to Russia, should becomes irrelevant. As well as shed some light on why this counteroffensive was so drummed up, how it's really going, what will happen in about 8 weeks, mid September, once weather changes and any maneuvering becomes impossible and we revert back to positional arty scorched earth advances. Might also look into who historically benefits from the winter season.

https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-open-japan-office-enable-indo-pacific-consultation-report-2023-05-03

Nah, CCP government has no more resilience than the USSR did - do you remember or were you busy when it collapsed?

China as any nation has interests and can be pressured and convinced (I think more convinced than pressured) if it is in their interest. China does not have any more attachment to the RF that it would to any other instrument, party, country or organisation.

What I think is that China needs a strong Russia, to balance the US, and a balanced Russia that does threat with Nukes as a system of living (e.g. North Korea). Russia is not helping at all in any of these.

China is relatively organised and is using the opportunity to look like a mediator and a country of peace.

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