Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

Young people. Have you ever wanted to travel the world, but couldn't afford it? You may have your chance for free, international travel in the near future... mostly to Ukraine.


As Confidence In Military Plummets, DC Swamp Calls For A Draft


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tigc40ir4PE
As new data comes out from Gallup showing a deep American crisis in confidence in the US military, a new op-ed in the Pentagon-friendly Military.com is calling for a "limited" military draft to fill the growing gaps between projected force needs and recruitment. Are they trying to grease the skids for an upcoming military conflict with Russia and China? Also today, MSNBC thug calls for new "PATRIOT Act" against MSNBC's political enemies.
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[LTU_btc]

Haven't you noticed the decline in support for Ukraine in the West since the counter-offensive didn't go according to plan? Or has the taste of disappointment already washed off Zelensky’s lips at the results of the NATO summit in Vilnius, which left Ukraine in limbo by canceling the NATO membership plan and offering no clear entry algorithm in return?

No, I haven't noticed decline of support after watching some last military aid packages that were announced already after NATO summit. Results of NATO summit, maybe there was high expectations about it, but it ended more or less like I expected without making important decisions.

Perhaps sanctions do not work well if Putin manages to finance the European opposition.

Russia always will find money to fund war machine, propaganda and opposition parties in West. And sanctions - IMO, it's joke. It would work if it would be imposed like supposed. But when it's bypased using parallel import/export through countries like Turkey, Kazkahstan or Armenia, offcourse it doesn't have as much effect as expected.

[paxmao]

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Haven't you noticed the decline in support for Ukraine in the West since the counter-offensive didn't go according to plan? Or has the taste of disappointment already washed off Zelensky’s lips at the results of the NATO summit in Vilnius, which left Ukraine in limbo by canceling the NATO membership plan and offering no clear entry algorithm in return?

I have not noticed (I have noticed the opposite).

Today, the Department of Defense (DoD) announced a new security assistance package to support Ukraine's battlefield needs and underscore unwavering U.S. support for Ukraine. This package, which includes critical air defense capabilities and munitions, will be provided as part of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI).
 
This USAI package highlights the continued U.S. commitment to meeting Ukraine's pressing requirements by committing critical near-term capabilities while also building the enduring capacity of Ukraine's Armed Forces to defend its territory and deter Russian aggression over the mid and long term.

Ukraine cannot join NATO because it has an ongoing war and because it needs to meet other criteria. But if you are hoping for US an EU to pull out you are making the same mistake as your military. BTW, not joining NATO does not mean not receiving support from allies.

Europe, US and other allies clearly understand that demilitarising Ruzzia is a very good investment and gaining Ukraine as an ally something valuable for the future.

[1miau]

Do not worry, this problem is already being solved during the special operation, Russia has a very rich experience in the successful fight against Nazism.

You are confused, obviously.  
Your braindead war criminal dictator, Putler, is actively financing fascists all over Europe, like he's financing Germany's AfD as well.  
Get your facts right, you Russian war crimes apologist.

Perhaps sanctions do not work well if Putin manages to finance the European opposition.

Or maybe corrupt politicians always find a way to gain from corruption?   
Since we know already, that Putin is weak on the battlefield, weak behind his silly, long table and he doesn't even dare to visit the frontline of his own meat grinder - let alone visiting other countries because he's paranoid, paying corrupt, far-right and far-left politicians is only what's left for him... 
In addition to bombing civillians in Ukraine, ruining his own country and Ukraine, letting his own critics visit russian windows  and spreading his braindead lies everywhere. That's all what's left to pathetic Putler and despite that, there are still pitiful people supporting him. 

[be.open]

Nazism is an internal affair of any state, only as long as this state is actively and effectively fighting Nazism. In Ukraine, Nazism spread metastases to the broad masses and even to state authorities, so this ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine. Do not worry, this problem is already being solved during the special operation, Russia has a very rich experience in the successful fight against Nazism.

So you don't have to prove that the country is or is not fighting it. I thought we had international law and all that, but it looks that if Russians claim something is true, it is true. If Russians say that a country is threatening them, it is, there's no discussing it, right? Sounds like someone here is never wrong, knows everything and does what he wants, like a bully.

Lol dude. The Azov battalion is recognized by the US Congress as neo-Nazi, extremist and anti-Semitic, parliamentarians called it a "disgusting Nazi formation", while it is quite officially part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main national hero of Ukraine, Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named. The universal password-greeting of Ukrainians "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes" - is rooted in the far-right nationalist organization OUN and this is only a slightly modified password-greeting of the Third Reich "Heil Hitler, Sieg Heil". What more proof do you need?

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Haven't you noticed the decline in support for Ukraine in the West since the counter-offensive didn't go according to plan? Or has the taste of disappointment already washed off Zelensky’s lips at the results of the NATO summit in Vilnius, which left Ukraine in limbo by canceling the NATO membership plan and offering no clear entry algorithm in return?

I have not noticed (I have noticed the opposite).

- "Ukrainian F-16 training delayed" - CNN.
- "CNN spoke about the problems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the capture of Staromayorsky."
- "U.S. annoyed by Zelensky's statements and Ukraine's military decisions" - CNBC.
- "There is no breakthrough yet in Ukraine's counter-offensive" - Politico.
- "Ukraine is waiting for the Korean scenario and the freezing of the conflict, since the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not give the desired results" - Die Welt
- "The New York Times writes about the "high losses" of Ukrainian troops during the offensive in the south.".
- "Biden wants to send part of the money provided for assistance to Ukraine, to armaments for Taiwan" - Financial Times.

Western press headlines in just a few days. Assess the scale of zrada and welcome to reality. The second stage of the Ukrainian counter-offensive with redoubled efforts to break through the defenses also ended in a crushing fiasco. At least according to the leading Western media that shape public opinion.

Perhaps sanctions do not work well if Putin manages to finance the European opposition.

Russia always will find money to fund war machine, propaganda and opposition parties in West. And sanctions - IMO, it's joke. It would work if it would be imposed like supposed. But when it's bypased using parallel import/export through countries like Turkey, Kazkahstan or Armenia, offcourse it doesn't have as much effect as expected.

Well, I'm glad that at least in this aspect you are already close to reality.

[paid2]

Lol dude. The Azov battalion is recognized by the US Congress as neo-Nazi, extremist and anti-Semitic, parliamentarians called it a "disgusting Nazi formation", while it is quite officially part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main national hero of Ukraine, Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named. The universal password-greeting of Ukrainians "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes" - is rooted in the far-right nationalist organization OUN and this is only a slightly modified password-greeting of the Third Reich "Heil Hitler, Sieg Heil". What more proof do you need?

There could be 100,000 neo-Nazis in Ukraine and it wouldn't change the problem, to be honest.

It's rather those who invade their neighbours, kill, rape and kidnap civilians who are the actual Nazis, don't you think?

And you know what's even worse than degenerate, out-of-touch Nazi leaders like your Putler? The morons who are their standard-bearers and propagandists, the morons who have been shit on by this same leader for years with corruption but who continue to kiss his ass.

[be.open]

Lol dude. The Azov battalion is recognized by the US Congress as neo-Nazi, extremist and anti-Semitic, parliamentarians called it a "disgusting Nazi formation", while it is quite officially part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main national hero of Ukraine, Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named. The universal password-greeting of Ukrainians "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes" - is rooted in the far-right nationalist organization OUN and this is only a slightly modified password-greeting of the Third Reich "Heil Hitler, Sieg Heil". What more proof do you need?

There could be 100,000 neo-Nazis in Ukraine and it wouldn't change the problem, to be honest.

It's rather those who invade their neighbours, kill, rape and kidnap civilians who are the actual Nazis, don't you think?

And you know what's even worse than degenerate, out-of-touch Nazi leaders like your Putler? The morons who are their standard-bearers and propagandists, the morons who have been shit on by this same leader for years with corruption but who continue to kiss his ass.

It is important for me to know your opinion, thank you for participating in the census of forum's Nazis, wait for a personal invitation to denazification.

[coolcoinz]

Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named

I didn't know he was still alive.

Yes he was a nationalist and responsible for many murders, especially on Poles, but last time I checked nations did not invade one another because there were streets named after someone.
Some time ago there were news about a Stalin monument installed in one of Russian cities and Rosatom wanted to put a bust of Beria on display, yet nobody dropped bombs on you over that.

It is important for me to know your opinion, thank you for participating in the census of forum's Nazis, wait for a personal invitation to denazification.

Watch out guys, the first denazifiers of the free world are coming for your fridges, washing machines and toilets.

[BADecker]

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It is important for me to know your opinion, thank you for participating in the census of forum's Nazis, wait for a personal invitation to denazification.

Watch out guys, the first denazifiers of the free world are coming for your fridges, washing machines and toilets.

If you happen to be looking at the wording that Biden is using, it seems like he is one of the denazifiers... and he is attempting to remove all the things that make life easier for Americans... like the power grid, and fuel, and vehicles, and right religion, and freedom of speech, etc., etc., ... especially through spending American money on Ukraine and the war.

[be.open]

Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named

I didn't know he was still alive.

Yes he was a nationalist and responsible for many murders, especially on Poles, but last time I checked nations did not invade one another because there were streets named after someone.
Some time ago there were news about a Stalin monument installed in one of Russian cities and Rosatom wanted to put a bust of Beria on display, yet nobody dropped bombs on you over that.

You take one argument out of context, ignoring all the others, and then try to twist it as if it were a thing of the past. Looks pretty ridiculous, I had a better opinion of your ability to debate. The surge of neo-Nazism in Ukraine is a phenomenon of the recent history of the 21st century. Moskovsky Prospekt in Kyiv was renamed Bandera Avenue in 2016, not 70 years ago. Vatutin Avenue in Kyiv became Shukhevych Avenue in 2017, not in Stalin's time. Ukraine needed national heroes, and in its history it did not find anyone better for this role than the most notorious Nazis. Wrong choice, now Ukraine will have to pay for it. It is to pay, not to answer - because no one will ask. Russia, only for decency, demonstrates its readiness for negotiations, while putting forward conditions that are obviously unacceptable for Ukraine as not being discussed.

"Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists," so Russia launched its special operation knowing that it would have to kill them all. Russia have zero tolerance for Nazism since World War II. Would you like to discuss the philosophy behind the Peace Formula at the Saudi Arabia Summit?

[tvbcof]

You take one argument out of context, ignoring all the others, and then try to twist it as if it were a thing of the past. Looks pretty ridiculous, I had a better opinion of your ability to debate. The surge of neo-Nazism in Ukraine is a phenomenon of the recent history of the 21st century. Moskovsky Prospekt in Kyiv was renamed Bandera Avenue in 2016, not 70 years ago. Vatutin Avenue in Kyiv became Shukhevych Avenue in 2017, not in Stalin's time. Ukraine needed national heroes, and in its history it did not find anyone better for this role than the most notorious Nazis. Wrong choice, now Ukraine will have to pay for it. It is to pay, not to answer - because no one will ask. Russia, only for decency, demonstrates its readiness for negotiations, while putting forward conditions that are obviously unacceptable for Ukraine as not being discussed.

"Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists," so Russia launched its special operation knowing that it would have to kill them all. Russia have zero tolerance for Nazism since World War II. Would you like to discuss the philosophy behind the Peace Formula at the Saudi Arabia Summit?

The main thing 'neo-' about the modern Ukrainian Nazi seems to be their warmness toward 'Jews'.  I have, however, run across the idea many times that indeed the 'old' Nazis were relatively warm to toward the Zionists, and especially as Nazism was building up in the 1930's.  In both cases it could be attributed to a 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' principle economically speaking and thus the Nazi's may not particularly be semitophiles as much as that they just know where their bread is buttered.  That is, right out of the pockets of the likes of Kolomoiski, Nuland/Nudelman, etc.

Looking at things from the flip-side, it also can be said that the Israelies are smart (like me) and it was reasonably obvious to them how the proxy war would end up.  This lead to policies which would not significantly antagonize or harm Russia all throughout this 'SMO', and beyond as the brush fire continues to flare up.  The freedom to remain neutral is limited to Israel where the various banana-republics (Germany, France, etc) are expected to follow Zenenski...right over the cliff to their doom.  This observation is yet another in-your-face illustration of who sits above who in the global power structure.  With every 'fuck you' that Israel issues to so-called West, the U.S. et-al respond with more 'please sir, can I have another?'  And they continue to send Israel even more money for 'security.', pass more laws against their citizens insulting 'the Jews', etc.

[tvbcof]

All you do is regurgitate racist rhetoric that you read from clickbait websites because it makes you feel powerful. There's zero intelligence involved in that.

> cries "the US is evil!!!"
> proceeds to simp for straight up evil

As usual for people of your level of rhetorical skill, you write something which is completely divorced from anything remotely associated with what I said, then to cover yourself snip what I said so that it is less likely that anyone will cross-check.  Classic.

But on the subject of 'racism', what 'race' is it that I'm being accused of 'racism' against?  All 'Jews', Semitic or Ashkenazim, are pretty clearly Caucasian just like me.  Am I a 'self-hating Caucasian'?

When people (anyone) express a political opinion in public, the main thing they are revealing is who has had the most success in brainwashing them. Most of this behavior stems from a desire to pretend one can form an educated, "important" opinion due to their superior intellect, but really they are just in desperate search of a feeling of control.

Ain't that the truth!

In my 'career coach' role, I think I can help you out a little bit.  You might consider actually learning some things about the real world and how it works.  You could still write politically correct swill even if you do recognize it as such and sell it to the low-functioning 'progressives' and 'liberals'.  As a matter of fact, you could almost certainly do it better, and it would open up new horizons among the equally low-functioning 'right-wingers' in their click-bait rags (Brightbart, Infowars, NewsMax etc.)  The paymasters would be the same anyway.  Just make sure you fawn over and defend anything which could remotely be considered associated with 'Jews', and you are already highly trained and proficient at that.

[coolcoinz]

Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named

I didn't know he was still alive.

Yes he was a nationalist and responsible for many murders, especially on Poles, but last time I checked nations did not invade one another because there were streets named after someone.
Some time ago there were news about a Stalin monument installed in one of Russian cities and Rosatom wanted to put a bust of Beria on display, yet nobody dropped bombs on you over that.

You take one argument out of context, ignoring all the others, and then try to twist it as if it were a thing of the past. Looks pretty ridiculous, I had a better opinion of your ability to debate.

Are you trying to blame me for your own mistakes? It's not like I used present tense when talking about someone who died decades ago.
It's hard to convey sarcasm through written text, but I did my best by adding the wink. No sense of humor in Russia?

The surge of neo-Nazism in Ukraine is a phenomenon of the recent history of the 21st century. Moskovsky Prospekt in Kyiv was renamed Bandera Avenue in 2016, not 70 years ago.

I guess that's because there was no independent Ukraine 70 years ago. Also, it's important to mention that 70 years ago Bandera was still alive. Don't they teach math in Russia?

Vatutin Avenue in Kyiv became Shukhevych Avenue in 2017, not in Stalin's time. Ukraine needed national heroes, and in its history it did not find anyone better for this role than the most notorious Nazis. Wrong choice, now Ukraine will have to pay for it. It is to pay, not to answer - because no one will ask. Russia, only for decency, demonstrates its readiness for negotiations, while putting forward conditions that are obviously unacceptable for Ukraine as not being discussed.

Hard for a country that was a part of the Soviet Union to have its own heroes. Soviet heroes could be also Ukrainian heroes, if they were heroes at all in the general sense, because communist butchers like Kalinin, who have cities named after them, aren't the best national heroes, yet nobody invades Russia over that.

Nice Russians want to negotiate, but it's the Ukrainians that are making it hard. They bombed their cities, tried to murder their president, tortured and murdered prisoners of war, but now they're extending a handshake. Would you shake the hand of someone who killed your parents or siblings? I wouldn't.

If you happen to be looking at the wording that Biden is using, it seems like he is one of the denazifiers... and he is attempting to remove all the things that make life easier for Americans... like the power grid, and fuel, and vehicles, and right religion, and freedom of speech, etc., etc., ... especially through spending American money on Ukraine and the war.

Of course, the Biden administration sucks. It's pretty much shares the ideals with the WEF and its henchmen like Trudeau and Macron.
Stop cash, force people to use CBDC, control crypto, cameras and digital IDs everywhere, force people to use electric cars... All this while Hunter avoids taxes, snorts coke and bangs his sister-in-law.

[paxmao]

First things first: A meeting, led by Saudi Arabia and other oil exporters - whithout Ruzzia - is going to take place.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-seeks-global-support-peace-blueprint-saudi-talks-2023-08-03/

China said on Friday it would send a senior official to Saudi Arabia for weekend talks on finding a peaceful settlement to the war in Ukraine, a forum that excludes Russia, in a diplomatic coup for Kyiv, the West and the Saudi hosts.

Ukrainian and Western diplomats hope the meeting in Jeddah of national security advisers and other senior officials from some 40 countries will agree on key principles for a future peace settlement to end Russia's war in Ukraine.

Well be.open, is this a great victory as usual?

Nazism is an internal affair of any state, only as long as this state is actively and effectively fighting Nazism. In Ukraine, Nazism spread metastases to the broad masses and even to state authorities, so this ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine. Do not worry, this problem is already being solved during the special operation, Russia has a very rich experience in the successful fight against Nazism.

So you don't have to prove that the country is or is not fighting it. I thought we had international law and all that, but it looks that if Russians claim something is true, it is true. If Russians say that a country is threatening them, it is, there's no discussing it, right? Sounds like someone here is never wrong, knows everything and does what he wants, like a bully.

Lol dude. The Azov battalion is recognized by the US Congress as neo-Nazi, extremist and anti-Semitic, parliamentarians called it a "disgusting Nazi formation", while it is quite officially part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The main national hero of Ukraine, Bandera, is a Nazi, and in honor of him, thousands of marches on Khreshchatyk were held and fifty streets were named. The universal password-greeting of Ukrainians "Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes" - is rooted in the far-right nationalist organization OUN and this is only a slightly modified password-greeting of the Third Reich "Heil Hitler, Sieg Heil". What more proof do you need?

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Haven't you noticed the decline in support for Ukraine in the West since the counter-offensive didn't go according to plan? Or has the taste of disappointment already washed off Zelensky’s lips at the results of the NATO summit in Vilnius, which left Ukraine in limbo by canceling the NATO membership plan and offering no clear entry algorithm in return?

I have not noticed (I have noticed the opposite).

- "Ukrainian F-16 training delayed" - CNN.
- "CNN spoke about the problems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine during the capture of Staromayorsky."
- "U.S. annoyed by Zelensky's statements and Ukraine's military decisions" - CNBC.
- "There is no breakthrough yet in Ukraine's counter-offensive" - Politico.
- "Ukraine is waiting for the Korean scenario and the freezing of the conflict, since the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not give the desired results" - Die Welt
- "The New York Times writes about the "high losses" of Ukrainian troops during the offensive in the south.".
- "Biden wants to send part of the money provided for assistance to Ukraine, to armaments for Taiwan" - Financial Times.

Western press headlines in just a few days. Assess the scale of zrada and welcome to reality. The second stage of the Ukrainian counter-offensive with redoubled efforts to break through the defenses also ended in a crushing fiasco. At least according to the leading Western media that shape public opinion.
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- F16 - Yes, delayed and that is unfortunate. But not cancelled - see, very different. Perhaps they are testing if Ukraine can do without them - a contested air space with plenty of defences is likely to end up with a few f16 down (bad for US business).
- The CNN and all other media speak of whatever they want, but the gains on the terrain are happening. Obviously, not to the pace that would end the war as soon as possible, but adequate for the purpose of demilitarising Ruzzia.
- Politico: No breaktrough - Yes, that is correct, just advancing, not breaking. Telling the truth is ok in the West, it is not related to loosing support. In fact you can interpret it as a call for stronger support to make that "breakthrough" effective.
- die welt has the same ability to predict the future as my uncle or your uncle Vania.
- High losses - Yes, telling the truth is ok in the West. When you attack, you get losses. Again, a call for more support rather than the opposite.

On the Financial Times - Ask yourself: Why does the US fuck with China right now? Could it be that they are tired of China selling weapons and overriding sanctions? From the US perspective, it is time to put some pressure on their own backyard - particularly before the talks.

[BADecker]

Poor Ukrainian soldiers. Now they will have to live with lost limbs, and try to take care of themselves without funds... funds that are going to fight the war. Anybody have statistics like this for Russia?


WSJ: 20,000-50,000 Ukrainians Have Lost Limbs Since Russia Invaded


https://news.antiwar.com/2023/08/02/wsj-20-50000-ukrainians-have-lost-limbs-since-russia-invaded/
Between 20,000 and 50,000 Ukrainians have lost one or more limbs since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday.

The figure is based on estimates made by prosthetics firms, doctors, and charities. The number could be higher as it takes time to register amputees after they undergo surgery, and fighting has intensified since Ukraine launched its counteroffensive in June.

The higher-end estimate of 50,000 came from the German prosthetics manufacturer Ottobock, which cited data from the government and medical partners. The estimate of 20,000 was based on data from the Kyiv-based charity Health of the Ukrainian People ICF. The charity estimates the number of serious injuries in the war is at 200,000 and says about 10% of serious injuries typically require amputations.
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[swogerino]

And why no one talks here about sea drones,man how I love them,hitting that big big ship of Russian Black Sea fleet,videos are all over the place for that,even on Linkedin who is a professional social media  .Funny how the Russians or should I call them fascists deny that by telling that the big navy responded and destroyed the sea drones when videos,lots of them showing it badly damaged and near drowning completely.That is the way to go,move out the ships who keep hitting civilian infrastructure as they are doing the most damage,drown every single one of them,liberate Crimea and make the Russian fascists there,the civilian invaders to pack their bag and move back to Russia.

[BADecker]

Russia flexing their naval strength... practicing in the Baltic Sea. Drone hits on Russian ships are inconsequential.


Russia Launches Large Baltic Sea Naval Drills As EU Officials Push "NATO's Lake" Rhetoric


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-launches-large-baltic-sea-naval-drills-eu-officials-push-natos-lake-rhetoric
Russia's somewhat regular drills in these waters are often in response to NATO exercises in the region, in tit-for-tat muscle flexing. Some EU policy wonks have of late begun to call the Baltic "NATO's lake" in a direct challenge to Moscow.

"The Ocean Shield-2023 naval exercises have begun in the Baltic Sea," Russia's Defense Ministry (MoD) confirmed in a statement, detailing that in total some 6,000 personnel are taking part, operating 30 warships and boats, along with 20 support vessels.

"During the drill, measures will be worked out to protect sea lanes, transport troops and military cargo, as well as to defend the sea coast, the statement added. "In total, it is planned to perform more than 200 combat exercises, including with the practical use of weapons."

The Baltic Sea coastline is also very important to Russia as its strategic Kaliningrad exclave sits on it, sandwiched between two NATO members, Poland and Lithuania.

The timing of the new drills is additionally important lest Brussels begins to see the Baltic as "NATO's lake"—as Politico recently referred to it, echoing policy thinkers in Europe:

A resurgent NATO is set to tighten its grip on the Baltic Sea, complicating a vital transit route for Vladimir Putin's navy in Russia's backyard...

"[Sweden and Finland] make NATO much more geographically coherent. The Baltic Sea becomes a NATO lake, which is generally useful, also because of the Arctic's increased importance," said Ulrike Franke, a senior fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.
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[DaRude]

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

[DaRude]

What some Germans think

https://youtu.be/YZTz7UwmPiE

It's good that you wrote word ''some''.

Exactly that. As someone from Germany I can confirm that the video is classic Russian propaganda and trying to undermine support for Ukraine in Germany by making up false claims and parroting lies. Presented are the usual Kremlin talking points, targeting a German audience but luckily, most Germans are educated and don't believe Russia's propaganda.  

According to description of video, it was made by AfD - far-right opposition party. If it would resemble majority opinion, probably they would have much more seat in Bundestage than they have now.

As far as I know, some German researchers have identified Russian actors in the video and some scenes in Germany are animated from stock photos. Likely, it's from Russia Today or some affiliated criminals, German journalists have reported.
AfD has denied to be behind the video but AfD denying something does not mean anything.  
At least, AfD is really happy to have that video and AfD is actively spreading it on social media and their fake news network.

(Video creator exposed here (German))

AfD is our braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering their fascist ideas and it's always surprising how uneducated and corrupt these right-wing politicians are.
Very likely AfD is financed by Russia (some close ties are already proven, where AfD idiots met with Russians in Russia and Eastern Ukraine to celebrate Russia).  
AfD is always trying to play down Russia's war crimes and spread hate against Ukraine.

AfD is only in Bundestag (German parliament) because some people are outright fascists or just braindead (they want to be governed by braindead people, too).
Some people don't even agree with AfD's Russia fetish but vote AfD as a protest vote.  

We have a new joke in Germany because AfD's EU candidate (Maximilian Krah) has a similar name like a cartoon character (Kra) and the cartoon character symbolizes Hitler.  

 
They are talking the same fascist bullshit, too.  
And their look is similar as well.

So, @Branko, you've disqualified yourself once again for supporting Nazis.
Maybe, Putin supporters are the fascists, not Ukrainians...  

Do not worry, this problem is already being solved during the special operation, Russia has a very rich experience in the successful fight against Nazism.

You are confused, obviously.  
Your braindead war criminal dictator, Putler, is actively financing fascists all over Europe, like he's financing Germany's AfD as well.  
Get your facts right, you Russian war crimes apologist.
 

Wait, déjà vu it's as if you already said the same thing before only one little nuance changed.

Just replace the subject to something from the other side and see if such claim can still be applied to the other side.

We've seen all kinds of whataboutism in this thread and none of it has made any sense so far. Neither does this.

Nor does it make sense for you to be trying so hard to prove that Russia has blackmail potential. I mean of all things... this is important?

As far-right parties score election victories across the EU, the nationalist Alternative for Germany party is looking to translate economic anxiety into similar gains. The polls suggest that the strategy is working.
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The AfD was founded in 2013 as a euroskeptic party. And still, their position is that Germany should leave the EU
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"They are saying that corrupt lawmakers are ignoring the needs of the people. They're arguing that elites in Moscow aren't the victims of these sanctions policies, but the German people are."
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The message that the AfD is trying to send to the governing coalition of the center-left Social Democrats (SPD), the Green Party and the neoliberal Free Democrats (FDP) is clear: "You are not in charge of Russia — you're in charge of this country."
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ˈThe worse things are for Germany, the better things are for the AfDˈ Indeed, AfD co-chair Tino Chrupalla has repeatedly accused Chancellor Olaf Scholz's government of fighting an "economic war" against Germans as inflation has risen to over 8%. The sanctions "are not in Germany's interest," Chrupalla has insisted, predicting that "throughout the fall, support for the government's policies will continue to sink."
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According to figures published by research firm INSA, national support for Scholz's party has fallen from 25.7% in last year's federal election to 18% on Monday, the FDP has been reduced by half to 7% and even the Green Party is now experiencing a backlash against their plans to mitigate the gas shortage.
The AfD, in the same time frame, has risen in the national polls from 10% to 15%, one of its highest levels ever.
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As households across Germany are shocked to receive their heating bills, the right-wing populists see golden opportunities ahead.
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Under the slogan "a hot autumn against cold feet," the AfD has announced plans to hold weekly anti-government marches in the coming months
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The AfD leader announced a concerted protest movement against the government's energy and Russia policies. From October, the AfD wants to take to the streets with the rallying cry "Our country first!" Chrupalla declined to confirm that this was modeled on Donald Trump's "America first" campaign.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-far-right-afd-hopes-for-a-boost-in-times-of-crisis/a-63252759

Just them is 15% of Germans. Right, of course Putin totally blew up his own gas pipeline to Germany, why would he want to appeal to people that side with him and build up Germans political will, he totally didn't want any news coverage of them protesting for Germany to start deliveries over NS so he blew it up 3 months before Germany's toughest months begin next you'll tell us that unicorns are real?

As a German I can tell you that you are indeed the sort of guy where 1 random article from the internet is enough to make up your opinion.  
Things are very easy in the world of Putin apologists like you - no surprise.  

The AfD from 2022 has (almost) nothing to do with AfD from 2013 (only the name). AfD started as a party criticizing many "poorer" EU countries (Italy, Greece) which got a lot of money from Germany via EU and because Germany paid that, AfD wanted to stop money transfers to them because in AfD 2013's opinion these countries were "lazy".
The AfD from 2013 didn't want to leave EU - never! They wanted to bring reforms to EU and some advocated for a revival of Deutsche Mark - Germans currency before Euro was launched.
Their main topic were economics. Most of their leaders were educated and sane back in 2013.

In 2015, AfD selected a new leader while during 2015, the right wing of AfD gained massive traction and the right wing achieved a coup against the founder of AfD - he was ousted and in a hot battle, he left the party. He was replaced by Frauke Petry, a moderate right wing politician and when the immigration crisis 2015 came up, AfD shifted their agenda from their former topic (economics) to immigration - advocating to deny most immigrants and throw them out of Germany.
Some years later, in 2017, Frauke Petry also faced a coup from the right wing of the right wing (nationalists) and the nationalists won - the party shiftet further right.
There was a third shift even further right in 2019 / 2020, when the fascist right took over the important lead over the Eastern-German parts of the party, where Bernd Höcke, a fascist, is so strong.

In its history, the party has only become more radical every few years.

Almost all people who founded AfD in 2013 have now left the party or were thrown out by the fascist right, whose leader Bernd Höcke is.
There are almost no sane people left in this party...


And no, I have to disappoint you, neither Germany nor USA/Poland nor Ukraine blow up NordStream 2, but Putin has clear motives to blow it up.

Let's look at it:

Germany doesn't need to blow up this pipeline since it has been sure since Putin's illegal war, that NordStream 2 will never be activated and purchase of russian gas by NordStream 1 to Germany will stop as soon as possible. Germany has pushed very hard to get rid of russian gas and the pipeline has become basically irrelevant.
Why should they blow up the pipeline? Makes no sense at all.  

After USA tried to lobby against NordStream 2 for years with massive efforts but has been unsuccesful so far because surprisingly, Putin has been the one who made their mission succesful on February 24, when Putin invaded Ukraine and isolated Russia succesfully from the West.
Surely, the USA would blow up a useless pipeline which will never get activated because Putin finished this Job already on February 24.
Surely, the USA would risk the alliance by blowing up a useless pipeline from an allied state (Germany) while there's no need at all to take such a risky adventure (will never get activated).
Surely, the USA would only blow up 3 streams and 1 of them, especially from NordStream 2, will stay intact, so that Putin can still potentially send gas to Germany.  

According to some Kremlin trolls it can also be Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine rent a dolphin, a brave guy (Klitschko) with some dynamite swam on the back of the dolphin through Black Sea, Mediterranean Sea, half of the Atlantic, through the English Channel, past Denmark and Sweden just to the Baltic Sea to blow up the useless pipeline.
Surely, Ukraine would risk the support from the west for blowing up a useless pipeline...  

While Russia has a useless pipeline since German politicians have learned their lesson to abandon Putin and his gas. Since Putin invaded Ukraine, it was very clear that NordStream 2 would not be activated. While Putin continued his war crimes and now annexed 4 parts of Ukraine, it was very clear that Germany will stop purchasing Russian gas as soon as possible. Therefore, Putin run out of options what to do with his failed pipeling because Germany doesn't played his game and he looked bad.  
Surprinsingly, one Stream of NordStream 2 is still intact, leaving it open for Putin demanding Germany to open it.
Let me guess which stories are plausible and which not.  

But sure, the guy from Kremlin, who has lied basically every day, is not the one to blow up his useless pipeline and blame the west (as usual).
Idiots like you are his best asset - completely brainwashed...  

I don't even like ultra rights but any attempts at denying them sweeping EU is delusional, just as Putin destroying his own pipes to remove even a chance for the debates over turning on NS

You are delusional, same as Putin.  
Your dumb takes are embarassing.  

Besides all the childish name-calling let's see how they're doing now the populist party would win 21% support, putting it firmly in second place behind the center-right bloc of Christian Democratic Union and Christian Social Union (CDU/CSU), which remain the strongest force at 27%, despite taking some small losses.
So you're saying the system is set up in such a way that to voice your disapproval will cause an automatic association with "braindead fascist party, where all the idiots are gathering"? That's a pretty high bar to clear. And despite such consequences, from October 6% more decided that it's worth to be associated with a fascist party, putting them in second place only 6% behind the current leader center-right bloc? And this is Germany we're talking about? I guess the only logical solution is to continue oppressing them more, call them names, and don't consider any of their arguments or the root cause of such grievances, after all history taught us that it worked so well right before before WW1 and WW2.

Ah yes and your take on NordStream sure must've aged just as well. Surely it was evil Russia let's get UN to investigate and get to the bottom of this:

The U.S. deputy ambassador, Robert Wood, said there was no need for a U.N. probe when investigations by Sweden, Denmark and Germany “are proceeding in a comprehensive, transparent and impartial manner.”

Right, who needs objective investigation by a neutral body, lets block it is so a NATO country could investigate whether a NATO country sabotaged the pipeline.



Oops, if not for those pesky leaks

U.S. had intelligence of detailed Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream pipeline
Three months before saboteurs bombed the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline, the Biden administration learned from a close ally that the Ukrainian military had planned a covert attack on the undersea network...
Details about the plan, which have not been previously reported, were collected by a European intelligence service and shared with the CIA in June 2022. They provide some of the most specific evidence to date linking the government of Ukraine to the eventual attack in the Baltic Sea, which U.S. and Western officials have called a brazen and dangerous act of sabotage on Europe’s energy infrastructure.
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The European intelligence made clear that the would-be attackers were not rogue operatives. All those involved reported directly to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s highest-ranking military officer
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Keeping Zelensky out of the loop would have given the Ukrainian leader a plausible way to deny involvement in an audacious attack on civilian infrastructure that could ignite public outrage and jeopardize Western support for Ukraine — particularly in Germany
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Ukraine had long complained that Nord Stream would allow Russia to bypass Ukrainian pipes, depriving Kyiv of huge transit revenue.
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Investigators have matched explosive residue found on the pipeline to traces found inside the cabin of the yacht, called Andromeda. And they have linked Ukrainian individuals to the rental of the boat via an apparent front company in Poland. Investigators also suspect that at least one individual who serves in the Ukrainian military was involved in the sabotage operation.

It's a mystery why those idiot AfD supporters don't like their critical infrastructure sabotaged by US/Ukraine. But don't let your destroyed credibility stop you, after all you consider your targeted audience to be complete idiots with a memory retention of a gold fish, so just keep posting some new stuff.

[paxmao]

Poor Ukrainian soldiers. Now they will have to live with lost limbs, and try to take care of themselves without funds... funds that are going to fight the war. Anybody have statistics like this for Russia?


WSJ: 20,000-50,000 Ukrainians Have Lost Limbs Since Russia Invaded
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The figure is [...]

Of course, there are official statistics for Ruzzia. No soldier has been killed, nobody in Ruzzia has lost any limbs in the war and not only that, the soldiers that went to the front without limbs have managed to grow replacement ones thanks to their great morale in the front. This is the official statistic coming from the same official Ruzzian sources that claim to have destroyed more planes that Ukraine ever had.

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And are you seriously calling for mass targeted killing of civilians at a huge scale towards the end there?

Don't waste your time on this character, this is a walking collection of propaganda clichés. A typical Ukrainian neo-Nazi, with every statement he makes an aggressive anti-advertisement to the Zelensky regime. The only benefit of his statements is that it becomes clear why Ukraine needs denazification.

You enjoying the new drones that I predicted to hit Moscow just one day ago and today it was the truth.Russia how funny they are,one of their generals said some time before that hardly any sky is shielded more than that of Moscow yet drones are hitting the financial district,Russia is incapable of protecting their own citizens and the so called elite which work in that institution that was hit.Ukraine never forget any war crimes Russia has made and will make them pay as Zelensky says it is only a natural process that the war will be felt inside Russia,inside Moscow.I am waiting for more strikes and devastation against a country which started a war out of nowhere and this is the end of malevolent countries.

I'm trying to find any military reason for these drone attacks on the business center, but unfortunately I can't. And a repeated strike on the same building in Moscow City refutes the version of the Russian Defense Ministry that the first drone was suppressed by electronic warfare, these were targeted Ukrainian attacks on a skyscraper in Moscow, in which there are no military facilities. Simply put, this is pure terrorist attack.

I understand why Ukraine resorts to terrorist tactics - because its counter-offensive is failing. I understand, but I don't condone it. It is impossible to defend democratic values by terrorist methods. Soon even its most zealous supporters in the West will turn their backs on Ukraine, because support for Ukraine already smells very shitty.

No.It is because Russia continuously strikes civilian targets not later than yesterday killing an 10 year old girl.This is a response to Russian terror and it is only natural that Russia feels the same what Ukrainians are feeling because of Russian barbarism.The Russians claim they hit no civilian targets yet today they hit a dormitory in Kharkiv,luckily without dead persons.Russian have killed children,have made mass graves and systematically hit civilian targets in Ukrainian cities so it is only a natural response and what I find the most funny is terrorists (Russia are the true ones starting a war out of nowhere and killing civilians as a sign of desperation in the battlefield,stalled invasion) are calling the victim who tries to defend a terrorist  .

@Branko , the US clearly has ask for forgiveness although it is not worthy after the damage they have done yet they have spend billions in help rebuilding Iraq after then,not justifying them,it was a mistake and they ask for forgiveness.

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You keep moronically tip-toeing around a serious topic. Simple question, do you condemn attacks on civilians in RF without military justification (hint: response to what they did is NOT military justification)?

Oh, yes, let's not tiptoe... do you condemn Ruzzian attacks in schools, restaurants, civilian buildings including churches, hospitals, entertainment and shopping places?