Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

But the biggest reason why it matters is, it's getting closer to the time when the nukes will start flying. Seems like the West wants that to happen.

Of course, the Trump 50 days can be changed to anything else on a moment's notice, as can future shipments to Ukraine.

[WillyAp]

But the biggest reason why it matters is, it's getting closer to the time when the nukes will start flying. Seems like the West wants that to happen.

Why the West? Did the West march into Ucraine? 

[BADecker]

But the biggest reason why it matters is, it's getting closer to the time when the nukes will start flying. Seems like the West wants that to happen.

Why the West? Did the West march into Ucraine? 

The march of the west was sneaky, CIA, election fraud starting before 2014, but finally succeeding in 2014 and following.

The Ukraine military was killing its own citizens and destroying their property, militarily, even before 2014... and sometimes dipping into Russia to do it.

Russia did a police action to protect their own in Ukraine, in 2022. Ukraine resistance turned it into a war. A good portion of Ukrainians didn't want their government to be acting as it did... against Russia and Russian speaking sisters and brothers who happened to be living in Ukraine.

Further, Russia and the West made deals as far back as 1990 that the West would not push its way further East. NATO attempted to break those deals, and Russia is simply keeping the West out of Ukraine... forcing the West to follow through with their deals.

It's way more complex than one military doing something for the fun of it.

[WillyAp]

The march of the west was sneaky, CIA, election fraud starting before 2014, but finally succeeding in 2014 and following.

The Ukraine military was killing its own citizens and destroying their property, militarily, even before 2014... and sometimes dipping into Russia to do it.

That is not a reason for the war, resources are and also from Russia.

Pundits skeptical of or even hostile to Ukraine’s cause in its defensive war against Russia have different reasons, or rationalizations, for their views and hail from different points on the political spectrum. But there is one belief that unites nearly all of them: the conviction that Ukraine is not a democracy fighting for its survival but an American “Deep State” project, with a regime installed by a 2014 coup that was led by Ukrainian far-right extremists and backed or even engineered by the U.S. State Department. The corollary of this view is the belief that the pro-Kremlin enclaves in Eastern Ukraine, the “people’s republics” of Donetsk and Luhansk—whose defense was the stated purpose of the Russian invasion—are genuine expressions of the will of the local populace which rejects the pro-Western, anti-Moscow regime in Kyiv.

This narrative is embraced by the progressive left (CodePink’s Medea Benjamin, the Nation’s Aaron Maté, etc.) and the populist right (the Claremont Institute’s David Reaboi, Newsweek opinion editor Josh Hammer, and many others) and gives both permission to disregard their ostensible values—anti-imperialism and liberation struggles for the left, commitment to national sovereignty for the right.

It has been echoed even by some people broadly sympathetic to the pro-freedom aspirations of the Maidan (Independence Square) protesters who rose against Kremlin-friendly president Viktor Yanukovych in late 2013 and early 2014.

taken from:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then

[DaRude]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

Or maybe unicorns will appear and let Ukrainian soldiers ride them into a battle? Where does it say that the aid is "bigger" and bigger than what? All i could fine is 'So we’re sending some defensive weapons, and I’ve approved that,” Trump told journalists Tuesday.' is that your wishful thinking that changed some to bigger? How long before Trump pauses it again, just to test morale of Ukrainian soldiers for the 3rd time.

[BADecker]

The tables are starting to turn.

NATO and the Biden team were trying to trick Putin and Russia into using nukes. But Putin didn't take the bait, except that one time in Dnipro, November 21, last year, with Oreshnik WITHOUT NUKES. And then it was only to make the West aware of Russian strength.

Russia didn't cave, even to change Russian requirements for peace.

Now, with the promise of more help from the US, Zelensky has stated that he will continue the war, thereby maintaining his position of conquest into Russia.

The West, through Z, is showing that they have always wanted to conquer Russia. And as long as they keep pussyfooting around, Russia (and her allies) will continue to do their pussyfooting around.

The difference, now, is that the West has finally come out into the open... showing conclusively that they are the aggressors in this simple Russian police action.

Nobody knows what the outcome will be. The thing that we DO know is that it is the West who is trying to take over the world... not Russia.

[paxmao]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

Or maybe unicorns will appear and let Ukrainian soldiers ride them into a battle? Where does it say that the aid is "bigger" and bigger than what? All i could fine is 'So we’re sending some defensive weapons, and I’ve approved that,” Trump told journalists Tuesday.' is that your wishful thinking that changed some to bigger? How long before Trump pauses it again, just to test morale of Ukrainian soldiers for the 3rd time.

Glad you agree you were wrong when you said that the US was cutting the aid. Do you remember or need a quote?

You can absolutely hope for a Trump turn around - I do not blame you, it is difficult to follow the guy, as long as you clearly understand that it is your hope, not what is happening. You have difficulties with that.

Bigger in the sense that Trump is now sending aid that was not previously approved by Biden, this means that the gates have opened for the POTUS discrectionary weapons aid.

I still think the US is playing with Ruzzia and there is not de-facto difference between Trump and Biden on that. One thing is what they say, another is what they do = and that is exactly the same, sending more weapons to make sure Ruzzia bangs the head into a broken economy,

[BADecker]

The march of the west was sneaky, CIA, election fraud starting before 2014, but finally succeeding in 2014 and following.

The Ukraine military was killing its own citizens and destroying their property, militarily, even before 2014... and sometimes dipping into Russia to do it.

That is not a reason for the war, resources are and also from Russia.

Pundits skeptical of or even hostile to Ukraine’s cause in its defensive war against Russia have different reasons, or rationalizations, for their views and hail from different points on the political spectrum. But there is one belief that unites nearly all of them: the conviction that Ukraine is not a democracy fighting for its survival but an American “Deep State” project, with a regime installed by a 2014 coup that was led by Ukrainian far-right extremists and backed or even engineered by the U.S. State Department. The corollary of this view is the belief that the pro-Kremlin enclaves in Eastern Ukraine, the “people’s republics” of Donetsk and Luhansk—whose defense was the stated purpose of the Russian invasion—are genuine expressions of the will of the local populace which rejects the pro-Western, anti-Moscow regime in Kyiv.

This narrative is embraced by the progressive left (CodePink’s Medea Benjamin, the Nation’s Aaron Maté, etc.) and the populist right (the Claremont Institute’s David Reaboi, Newsweek opinion editor Josh Hammer, and many others) and gives both permission to disregard their ostensible values—anti-imperialism and liberation struggles for the left, commitment to national sovereignty for the right.

It has been echoed even by some people broadly sympathetic to the pro-freedom aspirations of the Maidan (Independence Square) protesters who rose against Kremlin-friendly president Viktor Yanukovych in late 2013 and early 2014.

taken from:
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then

In other words, the reason for the war is Russia defending its people and itself from Ukrainian action since 2014 and before. Of course, Ukraine doesn't have the strength to do it alone. They knew this all along. You can see it in Zelensky continually trying to talk Western nations into fulfilling their pledges to send more money and military aid, and then stating that Ukraine is going to conquer Russia.

Russia's invasion of 2022 was not a war. It was a police action designed to stop the Ukrainian incursion. Ukraine simply turned it into a war by not giving up right away.

Since it's war that Ukraine wants, it's war that they are getting.


Russia rejects Trump's ultimatum for 50-day ceasefire, insists on continued negotiations


https://www.naturalnews.com/2025-07-17-russia-rejects-trump-ultimatum-50-day-ceasefire.html
Trump issued the ultimatum during a meeting with North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Secretary-General Mark Rutte on Monday, July 14, at the White House. He warned that if a peace deal isn't ironed out, Washington would impose "very severe tariffs" of up to 100 percent on nations doing business with Russia.

"We're going to be doing very severe tariffs if we don't have a deal in 50 days," Trump said during his meeting with Rutte. He framed the move as leverage to halt hostilities. But Russian officials declined the real estate mogul's threat. (Related: Trump warns of "very, very tough" SANCTIONS on both Russia and Ukraine if peace talks collapse.)

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov swiftly rejected the proposal, emphasizing Moscow's preference for negotiations. "Any attempts to make demands, especially ultimatums, are unacceptable to us," he told reporters as per CBS News.

"The diplomatic path is preferable for us. [But] if we cannot achieve our goals through diplomacy, then the [special military operation] will continue."

Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov acknowledged Trump's remarks as "quite serious," but deferred to Russian President Vladimir Putin for a definitive response. "We definitely need time to analyze what was said in Washington," he said.

Meanwhile, Dmitry Medvedev – deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council – dismissed the ultimatum as "theatrical" in a social media post. "Russia didn't care," he added.

Will Trump's ultimatum break the deadlock?
Russia's rebuke underscores deepening tensions between Washington and Moscow as the war enters its third year with no diplomatic resolution in sight. The stalemate ultimately reflects the broader deadlock in Ukraine negotiations.

Moscow demands international recognition of its annexation of Crimea and occupied eastern territories, a red line for Kyiv and its Western allies. Putin has repeatedly framed the invasion as a defensive measure against NATO expansion. However, both the U.S. and the European Union depict it as an unprovoked land grab.
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[DaRude]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

Or maybe unicorns will appear and let Ukrainian soldiers ride them into a battle? Where does it say that the aid is "bigger" and bigger than what? All i could fine is 'So we’re sending some defensive weapons, and I’ve approved that,” Trump told journalists Tuesday.' is that your wishful thinking that changed some to bigger? How long before Trump pauses it again, just to test morale of Ukrainian soldiers for the 3rd time.

Glad you agree you were wrong when you said that the US was cutting the aid. Do you remember or need a quote?

You can absolutely hope for a Trump turn around - I do not blame you, it is difficult to follow the guy, as long as you clearly understand that it is your hope, not what is happening. You have difficulties with that.

Bigger in the sense that Trump is now sending aid that was not previously approved by Biden, this means that the gates have opened for the POTUS discrectionary weapons aid.

I still think the US is playing with Ruzzia and there is not de-facto difference between Trump and Biden on that. One thing is what they say, another is what they do = and that is exactly the same, sending more weapons to make sure Ruzzia bangs the head into a broken economy,

But US did cut the aid. Simply look at how much aid US has committed to Ukraine under Biden in 2022, 2023, 2024 and now in the first half of 2025 under Trump? Haha oh is that's how you want to redefine the word "bigger" to fit your narrative? So in 2024 Biden signed a $61.3 billion aid to Ukraine, now Trump is talking about maybe sending $500 million and that's totally "bigger" than Biden because...reasons. What a hilarious attempt

Yes no differences in approach to Ukraine between Trump and Biden at all. So everyone agrees that we just need Trump to continue what he's doing.

[BADecker]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

Or maybe unicorns will appear and let Ukrainian soldiers ride them into a battle? Where does it say that the aid is "bigger" and bigger than what? All i could fine is 'So we’re sending some defensive weapons, and I’ve approved that,” Trump told journalists Tuesday.' is that your wishful thinking that changed some to bigger? How long before Trump pauses it again, just to test morale of Ukrainian soldiers for the 3rd time.

Glad you agree you were wrong when you said that the US was cutting the aid. Do you remember or need a quote?

You can absolutely hope for a Trump turn around - I do not blame you, it is difficult to follow the guy, as long as you clearly understand that it is your hope, not what is happening. You have difficulties with that.

Bigger in the sense that Trump is now sending aid that was not previously approved by Biden, this means that the gates have opened for the POTUS discrectionary weapons aid.

I still think the US is playing with Ruzzia and there is not de-facto difference between Trump and Biden on that. One thing is what they say, another is what they do = and that is exactly the same, sending more weapons to make sure Ruzzia bangs the head into a broken economy,

But US did cut the aid. Simply look at how much aid US has committed to Ukraine under Biden in 2022, 2023, 2024 and now in the first half of 2025 under Trump? Haha oh is that's how you want to redefine the word "bigger" to fit your narrative? So in 2024 Biden signed a $61.3 billion aid to Ukraine, now Trump is talking about maybe sending $500 million and that's totally "bigger" than Biden because...reasons. What a hilarious attempt

Yes no differences in approach to Ukraine between Trump and Biden at all. So everyone agrees that we just need Trump to continue what he's doing.

And further, Trump is making NATO or Europe buy the military aid the US is offering, and then get it to Ukraine however they can. The funny thing about this, now that it is hitting their pocketbook, NATO and European countries are mostly backing down... or they simply don't have the money.

[paxmao]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

But the biggest reason why it matters is, it's getting closer to the time when the nukes will start flying. Seems like the West wants that to happen.

Of course, the Trump 50 days can be changed to anything else on a moment's notice, as can future shipments to Ukraine.

BA, you have opened a thread saying that nukes do not exist  Why worry then?

Putin is still there because he understands that nukes are a weapon meant NOT to be used. An uncontrolled nuclear escalation means that 30% of the population of the world will be killed in 72 minutes, the rest in a few months.

Anything nuke like, means NATO intervention and possibly, the killing of Putin - it is not that hard to understand.

[DaRude]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

Fermi paradox

But the biggest reason why it matters is, it's getting closer to the time when the nukes will start flying. Seems like the West wants that to happen.

Of course, the Trump 50 days can be changed to anything else on a moment's notice, as can future shipments to Ukraine.

BA, you have opened a thread saying that nukes do not exist   Why worry then?

Putin is still there because he understands that nukes are a weapon meant NOT to be used. An uncontrolled nuclear escalation means that 30% of the population of the world will be killed in 72 minutes, the rest in a few months.

Anything nuke like, means NATO intervention and possibly, the killing of Putin - it is not that hard to understand.

Imagine a scenario where Putin calls Iran's Ayatollah and asks why he isn't bombing Washington, Ayatollah says that he can with the right weapons from Russia, and Putin says he should attack New York too. It's idiotic statements like these from politicians that are bringing us closer to midnight. If we're at the point where Russia (with largest amount of nukes in the world) is pressed to use nukes in Ukraine (supposedly after discussions with China), whether NATO decides to end the world is irrelevant, humanity would be doomed if not then than at a later conflict (and we get our answer to the Fermi paradox). I get that Ukrainian politicians have little down side, but the rest of the world would rather not become zombies in a nuclear winter. History would not look kindly at western expansion into Ukraine that resulted in a nuclear war.

[paxmao]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

Fermi paradox

But the biggest reason why it matters is, it's getting closer to the time when the nukes will start flying. Seems like the West wants that to happen.

Of course, the Trump 50 days can be changed to anything else on a moment's notice, as can future shipments to Ukraine.

BA, you have opened a thread saying that nukes do not exist   Why worry then?

Putin is still there because he understands that nukes are a weapon meant NOT to be used. An uncontrolled nuclear escalation means that 30% of the population of the world will be killed in 72 minutes, the rest in a few months.

Anything nuke like, means NATO intervention and possibly, the killing of Putin - it is not that hard to understand.

Imagine a scenario where Putin calls Iran's Ayatollah and asks why he isn't bombing Washington, Ayatollah says that he can with the right weapons from Russia, and Putin says he should attack New York too. It's idiotic statements like these from politicians that are bringing us closer to midnight. If we're at the point where Russia (with largest amount of nukes in the world) is pressed to use nukes in Ukraine (supposedly after discussions with China), whether NATO decides to end the world is irrelevant, humanity would be doomed if not then than at a later conflict (and we get our answer to the Fermi paradox). I get that Ukrainian politicians have little down side, but the rest of the world would rather not become zombies in a nuclear winter. History would not look kindly at western expansion into Ukraine that resulted in a nuclear war.

Escalation that brings your own destruction can be "imagined" - fear is free and wild - however the only realistic risk is to have a non-rational agent playing this game that decides that life is not so important after all.

All this is not left to chance, there is a whole games theory (Vonn Neuman, German BTW) that is the basis for decissions on what is the limit for the help, the sanctions and the military objectives choosen. Should the US think that any of the actors is no longer rational, the "problem" would be "solved".

[DaRude]

At this point, what matters is that the aid to Ukraine is not only back, but it is also bigger. I am guessing that the summer offensive planned by Ruzzia is going to be met with sufficient force while the attacks of oil, weapons and military targets is getting better. I would not be surprised if Ukraine pull another "IKEA delivery" to another airfield in Ruzzia. Or maybe to the fleet in the Baltic.

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-us-resumes-some-weapon-delivery-to-ukraine/

Fermi paradox

But the biggest reason why it matters is, it's getting closer to the time when the nukes will start flying. Seems like the West wants that to happen.

Of course, the Trump 50 days can be changed to anything else on a moment's notice, as can future shipments to Ukraine.

BA, you have opened a thread saying that nukes do not exist   Why worry then?

Putin is still there because he understands that nukes are a weapon meant NOT to be used. An uncontrolled nuclear escalation means that 30% of the population of the world will be killed in 72 minutes, the rest in a few months.

Anything nuke like, means NATO intervention and possibly, the killing of Putin - it is not that hard to understand.

Imagine a scenario where Putin calls Iran's Ayatollah and asks why he isn't bombing Washington, Ayatollah says that he can with the right weapons from Russia, and Putin says he should attack New York too. It's idiotic statements like these from politicians that are bringing us closer to midnight. If we're at the point where Russia (with largest amount of nukes in the world) is pressed to use nukes in Ukraine (supposedly after discussions with China), whether NATO decides to end the world is irrelevant, humanity would be doomed if not then than at a later conflict (and we get our answer to the Fermi paradox). I get that Ukrainian politicians have little down side, but the rest of the world would rather not become zombies in a nuclear winter. History would not look kindly at western expansion into Ukraine that resulted in a nuclear war.

Escalation that brings your own destruction can be "imagined" - fear is free and wild - however the only realistic risk is to have a non-rational agent playing this game that decides that life is not so important after all.

All this is not left to chance, there is a whole games theory (Vonn Neuman, German BTW) that is the basis for decissions on what is the limit for the help, the sanctions and the military objectives choosen. Should the US think that any of the actors is no longer rational, the "problem" would be "solved".

So, all humans of this planet delegate the greatest thinker of us all, Trump, to tell us what is rational and what is not? Guessing you're alluding to US thinking that Russia is no longer rational, then can you expand on how exactly that "problem" would be solved? And then what happens if US acts irrationally, how will that problem be solved?

Just another appeal for a one world government, "west" must spread and anyone who disagrees to be labeled irrational. Putin defending his sphere of influence, totally irrational! Wondering why China is not signing up for such great idea, and keep claiming that they'll be next if they let Russia fall, what idiots right?

[BADecker]

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Escalation that brings your own destruction can be "imagined" - fear is free and wild - however the only realistic risk is to have a non-rational agent playing this game that decides that life is not so important after all.

All this is not left to chance, there is a whole games theory (Vonn Neuman, German BTW) that is the basis for decissions on what is the limit for the help, the sanctions and the military objectives choosen. Should the US think that any of the actors is no longer rational, the "problem" would be "solved".

So, all humans of this planet delegate the greatest thinker of us all, Trump, to tell us what is rational and what is not? Guessing you're alluding to US thinking that Russia is no longer rational, then can you expand on how exactly that "problem" would be solved? And then what happens if US acts irrationally, how will that problem be solved?

Just another appeal for a one world government, "west" must spread and anyone who disagrees to be labeled irrational. Putin defending his sphere of influence, totally irrational! Wondering why China is not signing up for such great idea, and keep claiming that they'll be next if they let Russia fall, what idiots right?

We both know that paxmao is either a propagandist, or is just plain ignorant. While it is true that the West is advancing, following their advancement are all kinds of people in America and Europe who are waking up.

The Western banking system may temporarily prevail. It might even happen in Ukraine. But as they advance, their failure is following right behind them. They will collapse.

Just to show how the people are waking up, consider these two websites, two of many: You Are Law, and Education Center 2000.

While these two sites approach the problem from different directions, they show a lot of what is really going on, and how to fight in America against the West's banking systems that are harming the whole world.

When Russia wins, will Russia be any better? They still have on their books the idea of conquering the whole world. But the West is actively trying to do it through bad mouthing Russia, and then trying to conquer Russia by pushing Zelensky's Ukraine to do it. Most Ukrainians are fed up with the fight against Russia, because they are losing, and would never have thought of fighting Russia if Z hadn't pushed them into it.

The things of the two websites I listed, actually apply to all people. It's simply a lot harder to make them happen without the Constitutional backing/wording in the foundational documents of those other countries. Putin has learned. Z is a puppet.

[WillyAp]

We both know that paxmao is either a propagandist, or is just plain ignorant. While it is true that the West is advancing, following their advancement are all kinds of people in America and Europe who are waking up.

The Western banking system may temporarily prevail. It might even happen in Ukraine. But as they advance, their failure is following right behind them. They will collapse.

Waking up? That is kindergarten thinking, sometime my parents gonna wake and see what a marvelous person I have become?
The wake up theory is socialism's dream scenario. Socialism works just so people have to wake up.

When the banking/wall street crisis from 1929 went along not all banks went out of business.
Where states fail people still do business and it might be with sea shells.

[BADecker]

We both know that paxmao is either a propagandist, or is just plain ignorant. While it is true that the West is advancing, following their advancement are all kinds of people in America and Europe who are waking up.

The Western banking system may temporarily prevail. It might even happen in Ukraine. But as they advance, their failure is following right behind them. They will collapse.

Waking up? That is kindergarten thinking, sometime my parents gonna wake and see what a marvelous person I have become?
The wake up theory is socialism's dream scenario. Socialism works just so people have to wake up.

When the banking/wall street crisis from 1929 went along not all banks went out of business.
Where states fail people still do business and it might be with sea shells.

One of the basic things that you don't seem to understand is, right from its start in 1913 the Federal Reserve Bank (which gradually included all American banks) never loaned any money. How do we know? Because a bank CPA broke his oath of silence because it was too important for the people of America not to know this.

What did he show from his examination of bank ledgers? He showed that the Fed banks all deposited promissory notes and mortgage notes and other notes regarding loans, into bank accounts, like they were checks or money orders. When they gave out Federal Reserve Notes as loans, they never really loaned anything. Rather, they created 'money' out of thin air, financed by the promissory note they had deposited.

What this means is that the loans became new money, and diluted all the money in existence, making it have less and less value over the years, with the Fed gaining more and more value. This is happening, today, with all the government loans from the Fed.

This system moved into Europe with the creation of the Euro, and the true owners of the banks became wealthier than ever. But the people lost value in the money they held and hold, because of it.


This forum is too small to explain all the aspects of all the things the banks did over the years to maintain and grow their money. But it is gradually destroying the value of the money that the people hold. Two out-of-print 'pamphlets/booklets' from the Chicago Federal Reserve that show this are Modern Money Mechanics and Two Faces of Debt.

The banking system is gradually taking up ownership of half of the world. This is something that is way beyond anything that Russia is doing. The banks are using Ukraine to attempt to take over Russia. It has been going on for a long time, and didn't always work out for them like they planned. You can see it in Who Financed the Bolshevik Revolution?. But the Western banks haven't stopped.

The bank CPA who brought it all out into the open is a guy named Tom Schauf. Search on Tom Schauf, bank freedom.

Now that you have your work cut our for you, come back after you have gotten a better understanding of what is really going on.

[DaRude]

This is how Russia "wants" to reach to reach peace. Sending some guys who don't have power to decide anything is just waste of time. But I expected similar scenario. Maybe Trump finally will realize who actually want to reach peace. But for now we have situation which is leading nowhere.

Is that what you want to happen or you honestly assess that there's over 50% chance that in the next month Trump will do 180 turn and will start lobbying his party republicans to send more weapons and aid to Ukraine (instead of just walking away as his team keep saying)?

If we talk just about bolded part, I had zero expectations that these negotiations will achieve something, what actually happened today. You simply can't achieve anything with some 3rd tier forgotten politicians. Something can be achieved only when Putin, Zelensky and probably Trump will face to face. Though, still not sure that it would give results.
When it comes to Trump, you always can expect the unexpected from him. Maybe he won't make a 180 turn, but I don't believe that he simply will walk away as it was said multiple times.

Russia, Ukraine agreed to exchange 1,000 POWs from each side, Ukrainian Defence Minister says

Why are you not happy that these negotiations led to the largest prisoner exchange with prospect of further negotiations? Would you rather that it didn't happen?

Exchanging prisoners is good. Calling this a negotiation is not. For what has come out Ruzzia said exactly the same things they have been saying for years - which is, as one may suspect, not acceptable to Ukraine. Basically talking anexation, conditions, etc... basically a surrender.

So, then Ruzzian "diplomacy" went into the usual "double down", something like if you do not give us what we want, next time we ask for another 2 regions or whatever.

Well, it seems that Trump may speak with Putin, but I think he understands a bit more about "Ruzzian diplomacy" and did not want to travel to Turkiye to have his name associated with a failed negotiation. Let's see how this plays, Ukraine may after all get some more decissive help - I am not betting the house but...

Zelenskyy says Ukraine proposed to Russia to hold next round of talks next week
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Saturday said Ukraine’s negotiator had proposed to Russia to resume peace talks next week.

Guessing you're staying consistent and against these talks too? Need to get Ukrainians in line, no talks until Russia wastes all their ammo, just need to mobilize younger Ukrainians instead of talks, right?

[BADecker]

China and the US have trade deals going.
China and Russia have and are making military alliances.
The US is making trade deals with Ukraine to support them in the war.

How long will China maintain it's trade deals with the US? Essentially China only needs trade with the US to sucker wealth off them. China has way more material wealth and knowledge from Russia and Siberia than they will ever get from the US.

In other words, how long before all this trading breaks down, and there is direct war between the West and the China/Russia block? And when you consider the whole Middle East debacle...


Ukraine, Russia and the Future of War


https://corbettreport.com/ukraine-russia-and-the-future-of-war/
In addition to bombing Iran at the behest of Bibi and denouncing his own voter base for caring about the Epstein case, Trump has also just announced his plan to provide Ukraine with billions of dollars worth of weaponry to continue their war against Russia! For those keeping track at home, that's the very war he promised to end on day one of his new administration!

Yes, it may seem like a lifetime ago that the fluoride-addled erstwhile "liberals" were draping themselves in the Ukrainian flag and pretending to care about the democratic government [sic] in Kiev. . . . Uh, I mean, "Kyiv."

And it may be increasingly difficult to remember those bygone days of yore when the MAGA cheerleaders who are celebrating Trump's decision to send weapons and aid to Ukraine were denouncing Biden and the neolib warmongers for sending weapons and aid to Ukraine.

But just because the NPCs of the left/right charade have updated their programming and turned their attention elsewhere, it doesn't mean that the Russia/Ukraine conflict has gone away. In fact, that conflict is escalating by the day.

While the war in Ukraine may not seem like a big thing to the average bricklayer in Cincinnati or the average steelworker in Hamilton (or the average podcaster in Japan), it is. In fact, what is happening right now between Russia and Ukraine doesn't just have consequences for the region. And it doesn't just have consequences for the world. It has consequences for the future of warfare itself.

Don't believe me? Let's take a look.
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[LTU_btc]

Zelenskyy says Ukraine proposed to Russia to hold next round of talks next week
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Saturday said Ukraine’s negotiator had proposed to Russia to resume peace talks next week.

Guessing you're staying consistent and against these talks too? Need to get Ukrainians in line, no talks until Russia wastes all their ammo, just need to mobilize younger Ukrainians instead of talks, right?

Not sure where I'm or paxmao said that we're against negotiations. But I'm almost sure that this round of negotiations will end without any significant result again. Russia will send some 3rd tier politicians who have no power to make decisions to these negotiations. They only can tell obvious what we heard so many times already - Russia isn't going to make any discounts and Ukraine basically has to surrender.
Zelensky multiple times told that he is ready to meet Putin face to face, but seems that Putin don't have balls for such meeting.