Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[BADecker]

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Yeah, there is no war. Just Hollywood movies and AI generated stuff...

At this point we all know BADecker... the wilder the theory the more BA will give credit to.   I think we have to create a "conspiranoic humour" section of this forum just for him and let him walltext there.

I have access to people who actually were there. Yeah... all AI generated, they left Ukraine with their children, leaving their homes and good business because they are looking for a hood with more greenery or a nice beach. Either that or they did not want their children to be bombed and their man to be sent to the front.

Of course paxmao might have to say something like that. He doesn't want his cover to be blown, even though he continually blows it himself.

He hasn't even figured out, yet, that if he isn't there himself, he's only doing one of two things:
1. Repeating something that he heard from others, or;
2. Creating it himself.

Of course, if he realizes those two things, then he is laying down a plethora of propaganda just to mess with the lives of anybody he can. Like a shotgun full of bird-shot, designed to hit anybody that is simple enough to listen.

[paxmao]

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Yeah, there is no war. Just Hollywood movies and AI generated stuff...

At this point we all know BADecker... the wilder the theory the more BA will give credit to.   I think we have to create a "conspiranoic humour" section of this forum just for him and let him walltext there.

I have access to people who actually were there. Yeah... all AI generated, they left Ukraine with their children, leaving their homes and good business because they are looking for a hood with more greenery or a nice beach. Either that or they did not want their children to be bombed and their man to be sent to the front.

Of course paxmao might have to say something like that. He doesn't want his cover to be blown, even though he continually blows it himself.

He hasn't even figured out, yet, that if he isn't there himself, he's only doing one of two things:
1. Repeating something that he heard from others, or;
2. Creating it himself.

Of course, if he realizes those two things, then he is laying down a plethora of propaganda just to mess with the lives of anybody he can. Like a shotgun full of bird-shot, designed to hit anybody that is simple enough to listen.

It is something out of my personal conversation with an Ukranian family of the many here in Paxmania. I cannot provide any evidence, so anyone can believe it or not believe it.

What is clear is that it makes total sense for families with children to have left their life behind because they would rather live worse than be killed or taken under Putin's sphere or whatever... You may question the conversation, but you can certainly see that it is plausible, even likely.

[BADecker]

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Of course paxmao might have to say something like that. He doesn't want his cover to be blown, even though he continually blows it himself.

He hasn't even figured out, yet, that if he isn't there himself, he's only doing one of two things:
1. Repeating something that he heard from others, or;
2. Creating it himself.

Of course, if he realizes those two things, then he is laying down a plethora of propaganda just to mess with the lives of anybody he can. Like a shotgun full of bird-shot, designed to hit anybody that is simple enough to listen.

It is something out of my personal conversation with an Ukranian family of the many here in Paxmania. I cannot provide any evidence, so anyone can believe it or not believe it.

What is clear is that it makes total sense for families with children to have left their life behind because they would rather live worse than be killed or taken under Putin's sphere or whatever... You may question the conversation, but you can certainly see that it is plausible, even likely.

The other point is that many Ukrainians moved to Russia to escape the Zelensky sphere or whatever. Now, those who stayed are seeing that Z has destroyed their country and lives.

Essentially, the war is done. Zelensky is already thanking those who helped him in ways that show the war is done. He lost. Russia will be picking up the pieces of Ukraine, shortly.

[LTU_btc]

The other point is that many Ukrainians moved to Russia to escape the Zelensky sphere or whatever. Now, those who stayed are seeing that Z has destroyed their country and lives.

Partially, you're right, there is people who went from Ukraine to Russia. But numbers can't be compared with these how many run away to the West. Unfortunately, there is lot of people in Ukraine who is under influence of Russian propaganda. Even now in the ruins of frontline cities you can find people who are waiting for ''liberation''. There is even term for such people was made. Zhdun - The One Who Waits.

[paxmao]

The other point is that many Ukrainians moved to Russia to escape the Zelensky sphere or whatever. Now, those who stayed are seeing that Z has destroyed their country and lives.

Partially, you're right, there is people who went from Ukraine to Russia. But numbers can't be compared with these how many run away to the West. Unfortunately, there is lot of people in Ukraine who is under influence of Russian propaganda. Even now in the ruins of frontline cities you can find people who are waiting for ''liberation''. There is even term for such people was made. Zhdun - The One Who Waits.

Many Ukranians have links with Ruzzia. It is normal, they were living peacefully until Putin read the wrong books.

Most Ukranians that left are in Poland. There are groups, some of them large all over Europe. Many of them are qualified and others not, but they are mostly people who want to go about their life and fit in where ever they live now. All pretty much human.

[BADecker]

The other point is that many Ukrainians moved to Russia to escape the Zelensky sphere or whatever. Now, those who stayed are seeing that Z has destroyed their country and lives.

Partially, you're right, there is people who went from Ukraine to Russia. But numbers can't be compared with these how many run away to the West. Unfortunately, there is lot of people in Ukraine who is under influence of Russian propaganda. Even now in the ruins of frontline cities you can find people who are waiting for ''liberation''. There is even term for such people was made. Zhdun - The One Who Waits.

Many Ukranians have links with Ruzzia. It is normal, they were living peacefully until Putin read the wrong books.

Most Ukranians that left are in Poland. There are groups, some of them large all over Europe. Many of them are qualified and others not, but they are mostly people who want to go about their life and fit in where ever they live now. All pretty much human.

You are both hovering right around the major point, without quite getting there. It depends on where you are in life, that determines the propaganda you want to believe.

If you are Russian, you believe Russian propaganda, because that is what you hear. If you are in the West, you believe Western propaganda. The question is, how much truth are there in either one? The only group of people that comes close to believing right, is the group that is suffering.

Russia did a lot of bad things over the last 100 years. But much of it was provoked by the bad things the West was doing to Russia for well over that 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.

There is another group who looks at both sides of the propaganda. When you consider both sides, it is easy to see where the truth exists in the Ukraine war. The simple answer is, Russia is going to win and take all of Ukraine. If Zelensky wanted the peace he talks about, he would stop fighting... because he is going to lose anyway, and he knows it. So why extend the killing?

Russia on the battle field has not done the terror and torture to Ukrainian prisoners of war that they so easily could have. And they won't start if Z surrenders right now. So we easily see that it is Z who doesn't want peace.

Get the point? The point is not who started the war any longer. The point is who is keeping it going... the West with their funding of Ukraine.

[WillyAp]

Russia did a lot of bad things over the last 100 years. But much of it was provoked by the bad things the West was doing to Russia for well over that 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.

Are you sure?

I counted 20 and there are far more coming after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Soviet_Union#List

Granted after the fall of the soviets it went quieter.
That is when the Wagner Group came in.

[paxmao]

There has been a large "drone saction" strike by Ukraine on Ruzzian refineries these last days. This seems a good summary of the direct sanctioning actions by Ukraine since 2024.

https://www.caspianpolicy.org/research/security/live-map-of-russian-refineries-hit-ukrainian-drone-strikes-boost-caspian-energy

Caspian Policy Center’s Live Map of Russian Refineries documents 61 attacks across 24 Russian refineries and the resulting level of damage since January 2024.  Click on the refineries for more information.  

The point is to make sure the fuel production capacity is degraded, but also makes sure Ruzzia has something to loose by keeping the war going. The situation is quite different from the begining of the war, in which Ruzzia could simply hit over and over with not payback.

The other point is that many Ukrainians moved to Russia to escape the Zelensky sphere or whatever. Now, those who stayed are seeing that Z has destroyed their country and lives.

Partially, you're right, there is people who went from Ukraine to Russia. But numbers can't be compared with these how many run away to the West. Unfortunately, there is lot of people in Ukraine who is under influence of Russian propaganda. Even now in the ruins of frontline cities you can find people who are waiting for ''liberation''. There is even term for such people was made. Zhdun - The One Who Waits.

Many Ukranians have links with Ruzzia. It is normal, they were living peacefully until Putin read the wrong books.

Most Ukranians that left are in Poland. There are groups, some of them large all over Europe. Many of them are qualified and others not, but they are mostly people who want to go about their life and fit in where ever they live now. All pretty much human.

You are both hovering right around the major point, without quite getting there. It depends on where you are in life, that determines the propaganda you want to believe.

If you are Russian, you believe Russian propaganda, because that is what you hear. If you are in the West, you believe Western propaganda. The question is, how much truth are there in either one? The only group of people that comes close to believing right, is the group that is suffering.

Russia did a lot of bad things over the last 100 years. But much of it was provoked by the bad things the West was doing to Russia for well over that 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.

There is another group who looks at both sides of the propaganda. When you consider both sides, it is easy to see where the truth exists in the Ukraine war. The simple answer is, Russia is going to win and take all of Ukraine. If Zelensky wanted the peace he talks about, he would stop fighting... because he is going to lose anyway, and he knows it. So why extend the killing?

Russia on the battle field has not done the terror and torture to Ukrainian prisoners of war that they so easily could have. And they won't start if Z surrenders right now. So we easily see that it is Z who doesn't want peace.

Get the point? The point is not who started the war any longer. The point is who is keeping it going... the West with their funding of Ukraine.

Z obviously is very interested in peace. However, like all the parties involved, needs guarantees that Ruzzia will not attack again because it is pointless to reach peace so that your enemy grows stronger to attack again.

Trying to re-write history from ignorance? Just like Trump just fired the person who compiles the statistics of employment in the US because he did not like the resuls?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-seeks-to-fire-bureau-of-labor-statistics-director-after-release-of-weak-jobs-report

Trump fires Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner after dismal employment report

He is now also at war with ... numbers.

Anyway, abslutely all countries - I would even say regions - in Europe have been at war like... always. After WW II, Europe figured out that it would be much better to be together rather than killing each other all the time.

Ruzzia and the US however did never get there. They still think in terms of Spheres rather than compromise. Ruzzia attacking Ukraine is just a consequence of this situation.

Regarding propaganda, well I choose not to believe ANY propaganda. I am aware that there is permanent drive to manipulate opinion and it is impossible to escape it, but it is more difficult to do so when the media is under full control of the state. At leas in the west you can hear different versions and ideas and people - in average - tend to have better wider political education and exposure which makes them more difficult to manipulate. I mean, until Trump decided to speak only with the "right" journalists / entertainers / propagandists.

Ruzzia was quite good about manipulating when it was the USSR. One more of the things that is not now.

Russia did a lot of bad things over the last 100 years. But much of it was provoked by the bad things the West was doing to Russia for well over that 100 years - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=who+financed+the+bolsheviks%3F&ia=web.

Are you sure?

I counted 20 and there are far more coming after that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Soviet_Union#List

Granted after the fall of the soviets it went quieter.
That is when the Wagner Group came in.

BA is sure. That is the problem of the world, people who are wrong are sure, people who know doubt.

[montaga]

Funny how Putin all of a sudden wants to talk. Most of the navy gone, half the Airforce, Rail supply lines out of order, bunkers blown to smithereens, Dimo not getting any updates anymore.
How bad can it get?
https://youtu.be/UQUUoIMVuPw

[paxmao]

Funny how Putin all of a sudden wants to talk. Most of the navy gone, half the Airforce, Rail supply lines out of order, bunkers blown to smithereens, Dimo not getting any updates anymore.
How bad can it get?
https://youtu.be/UQUUoIMVuPw

Oh, he is always up for a chat. Why win fighting, employing resources and getting Ruzzians killed if you can just talk to an old guy and convince him to give you what you want just because you have a beautiful smile.

Anyway, I hope that Witkoff and Trump finally understand that due to years of mental conditioning, Putin is unable to tell a straight naked truth even if he wanted. There is a way to play this and is to make sure the front moves East and the oil moves nowhere. And it has to be understood that anything that Putin has signed in the past, he has broken, so guarantees of weight are essential.

BTW Putin and Ladrov do not care about Europe - perhaps because they are victims of their own propaganda.

[BADecker]

Funny how Putin all of a sudden wants to talk. Most of the navy gone, half the Airforce, Rail supply lines out of order, bunkers blown to smithereens, Dimo not getting any updates anymore.
How bad can it get?
https://youtu.be/UQUUoIMVuPw

Dimo is back up - https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary/videos

[tvbcof]

Funny how Putin all of a sudden wants to talk. Most of the navy gone, half the Airforce, Rail supply lines out of order, bunkers blown to smithereens, Dimo not getting any updates anymore.
How bad can it get?
https://youtu.be/UQUUoIMVuPw

Dimo is back up - https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary/videos

The guy mentioned that he was planning to take a vacation and hoped to do a short presentation every 2 days or so.  And that he would be back around the 9th IIRC.  Looks like he did more like one every 4 or 5 days.  By happenstance, this corresponded to the later parts of my own vacation.

I have been amazed that Dima hardly missed an update for the first 2+ years of the SMO.  After that, he cut back on weekend updates.  I think he got three in since the 8th.  I have rarely seen anyone in the general space who has been so consistent.

[montaga]

The situation at present Russia takes a Ukrainien village and Ukraine dismantles Russia from the inside
https://youtu.be/TUbH1eiiS7w?t=100
Another oil refinery gone, refined 2.1% of total Russia oil
https://youtu.be/TUbH1eiiS7w?t=854
Drone Plant gone
https://youtu.be/fwonrbG6h7M

[BADecker]

On the other side of things, Putin is making a deal with Trump... if Trump will accept. But the Ukraine military doesn't know about the deal... or do they. Seems that Russia might be losing more than Putin wants it to. So, he is willing to make a deal. Good thing he doesn't want to use nukes. The world would be fried if he did.

Btw, if Putin really took over the Black Sea Corridor officially, he would let those areas become their own nations and basically rule themselves

Two articles below.


Putin Tells Trump He'll Halt War In Exchange For Eastern Ukraine


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/oil-tumbles-report-us-backed-russia-ukraine-truce-deal
Putin told Witkoff he would agree to a complete cease-fire if Ukraine agreed to withdraw forces from all of Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region, according to officials briefed on the call.

Russia would then control Donetsk, Luhansk, as well as the Crimea peninsula, which it seized in 2014 and wants recognized as sovereign Russian territory.

Russia now occupies most of Donetsk and Luhansk, but Ukrainian forces still control sizable chunks of territory, including key cities that are now strongholds of its defense.

European officials expressed serious reservations about the proposal

*As we detailed earlier, Bloomberg is reporting, according to people familiar with the matter, that Washington and Moscow are aiming to reach a deal to halt the war in Ukraine that would lock in Russia's occupation of territory seized during its military invasion.

US and Russian officials are working toward an agreement on territories for a planned summit meeting between Presidents Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin as early as next week, the people said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations.

The US is working to get buy-in from Ukraine and its European allies on the deal, which is far from certain, the people said.

Putin is demanding that Ukraine cede its entire eastern Donbas area to Russia as well as Crimea, which his forces illegally annexed in 2014.

That would require Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to order a withdrawal of troops from parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions still held by Kyiv, handing Russia a victory that its army couldn't achieve militarily since the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022.

Such an outcome would represent a major win for Putin, who has long sought direct negotiations with the US on terms for ending the war that he started, sidelining Ukraine and its European allies.

What are the odds Zelensky goes for this deal... and will Europe back it?

Zelenskiy risks being presented with a take-it-or-leave-it deal to accept the loss of Ukrainian territory, while Europe fears it would be left to monitor a ceasefire as Putin rebuilds his forces.

Russia would halt its offensive in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine along the current battlelines as part of the deal, the people said. They cautioned that the terms and plans of the accord were still in flux and could still change.
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Soldiers Desert Ukraine Army In DROVES


https://www.activistpost.com/soldiers-desert-ukraine-army-in-droves/
It is difficult to fight a war for a side that is simply not going to win. The only thing Ukraine can do is keep the war going as it burns through its financial and military aid given to it by the West.

"Many will never return, because it is principled… You can't treat like animals those who volunteered, fought for three years without seeing family," Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod has said.

Ukraine's conscription plans have been horrific to date. All conscription is immoral, as it requires force in order to execute; however, Ukraine has taken its policies to the next level.

Skorokhod said that many who go AWOL often return, but others do not.

Ukrainian Journalist Vladimir Boiko reported last month that the authorities had filed more than 107,000 criminal cases on desertions and AWOLs in the first half of 2025. He said the total number of cases had exceeded 230,000 since the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022, with the real number of incidents possibly even higher, according to a report by RT.

In fact, just last week, the forced conscription campaign triggered repeated violent clashes between reluctant recruits and draft officers, "following orders" of the ruling class. Public discontent with their enslavement erupted into a riot in the city of Vinnytsia when protesters tried to force the release of newly mobilized men. Violent encounters occurred between demonstrators and police, with numerous arrests.

Ukraine announced its conscription plans early on in the war. The general mobilization started not long after the start of the conflict, and it barred men between the ages of 18 and 60 from leaving the country. Since then, other countries have threatened conscription for their slaves as well.

Violent clashes with the thugs of the ruling class (law enforcement and draft officers) are on the rise, as people tire of being ruled.  This will continue to worsen before it gets better, but the slave class is slowly figuring out that they don't have to prop up their masters.
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[montaga]

Putin told Witkoff he would agree to a complete cease-fire

fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

Soldiers Desert Ukraine Army In DROVES

Russian Soldiers ABANDON Putin To Fight for Ukraine
https://youtu.be/cBAA3HtNygY
Putin is done, all minorities in Russia will have the own country, including Crimea.

People decide when there is peace, not some criminals meeting and licking each others backside

[WillyAp]

By withholding material the US gives away the one argument which could force the Ukraine to accept.
The Ukraine already said they fight on with outside support or not.

RT or Russia Today does not qualify as a trustworthy source by the way.

[Shova]

By withholding material the US gives away the one argument which could force the Ukraine to accept.
The Ukraine already said they fight on with outside support or not.

RT or Russia Today does not qualify as a trustworthy source by the way.

If Russia agrees to a complete ceasefire on line of control, Ukraine would have no choice but to agree with it. Zelensky might be talking tough before the meeting but he is hoping a complete ceasefire would come in action.
Russia too have interest in a ceasefire as that may enable them to get back to world market. The war is about to ruin their economy. This might stop the Putin's dream of having a land border to Transnistria but Ukraine like always would still be up for grab anytime. One way or other.

[tvbcof]

If Russia agrees to a complete ceasefire on line of control, Ukraine would have no choice but to agree with it. Zelensky might be talking tough before the meeting but he is hoping a complete ceasefire would come in action.
Russia too have interest in a ceasefire as that may enable them to get back to world market. The war is about to ruin their economy. This might stop the Putin's dream of having a land border to Transnistria but Ukraine like always would still be up for grab anytime. One way or other.

If Putin plays his hand well, he might end up with a rind which gives land (aka, pipeline) access to Transnistria, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, and Poland.  This would give Russia immense power going forward.  Not only that, but it could make some of the said happy to be whole states again West of Carpathias which could potentially even win them over to the SMO project after getting royally shit on by the drug-adled WEF pervs (France, Britain, Germany, etc) and their sponsors who are stuffing Eastern Europe full of migrants and turning their peeps sick and gay.  Even Poland would be a winner to a degree by not having to pay Ukrainian gas transit fees if not chunks of what's left of the rump state.

Putin needs a dip-shit (or co-conspirator) like Zelensky in Ukraine for as long as possible, however, in order to have a chance to pull something like this off.

[Branko]

Putin told Witkoff he would agree to a complete cease-fire

fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me.

Soldiers Desert Ukraine Army In DROVES

Russian Soldiers ABANDON Putin To Fight for Ukraine
https://youtu.be/cBAA3HtNygY
Putin is done, all minorities in Russia will have the own country, including Crimea.

People decide when there is peace, not some criminals meeting and licking each others backside

That's the only war Ukraine is winning...they're producing 10X more propaganda videos than Russia

Here, some patriot Americans fighting for Russia since day 1:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OCKCre0fw2sZ

[montaga]

The only thing Trump can do in Alaska meeting is to agree to give back Alaska.
Hard to find something crazier than have ceasefire talks without one Waring party partaking.
Most likely the meeting wont even happen.