Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

The only thing Trump can do in Alaska meeting is to agree to give back Alaska.
Hard to find something crazier than have ceasefire talks without one Waring party partaking.
Most likely the meeting wont even happen.

There is still a big self-imposed by Ruzzia barrier to have conversations directly with Ukraine after all the propaganda that has corner=painted Putin into a maximalist goal. However in diplomatic terms there needs to be some work being done and the US is what we have to make the mediatior role.

Regardless, there is little chance of Putin accepting anything that is not a strategic victory, while the situation of the front and the economies is not there yet. Putin's current proposal to Ukraine is to conceed the most fortified part of the front, for free, on the simple promise of "starting talks" - so the proposal is "give me what I want and then we keep talking".

In diplomatic terms this means "I do not want peace, I am just saying something that I know you will not ever take".

It will take two or three years to bring Ruzzia to something near a real interest in talking. More loses, more economic damage.... All ok with the US.

[BADecker]

The only thing Trump can do in Alaska meeting is to agree to give back Alaska.
Hard to find something crazier than have ceasefire talks without one Waring party partaking.
Most likely the meeting wont even happen.

There is still a big self-imposed by Ruzzia barrier to have conversations directly with Ukraine after all the propaganda that has corner=painted Putin into a maximalist goal. However in diplomatic terms there needs to be some work being done and the US is what we have to make the mediatior role.

Regardless, there is little chance of Putin accepting anything that is not a strategic victory, while the situation of the front and the economies is not there yet. Putin's current proposal to Ukraine is to conceed the most fortified part of the front, for free, on the simple promise of "starting talks" - so the proposal is "give me what I want and then we keep talking".

In diplomatic terms this means "I do not want peace, I am just saying something that I know you will not ever take".

It will take two or three years to bring Ruzzia to something near a real interest in talking. More loses, more economic damage.... All ok with the US.

As usual, you are ascribing some of the Zelensky things to Putin.

If Z wanted peace, all he would have to do is stop pushing back against the Russians at the front. If Z withdrew his troops way back from the front, Putin might take the oblasts that he has almost taken already, but then he would stop.

Zelensky only wants more war because i improves his money laundering campaign from the money he gets from the West.

Soon the West will find another leader of Ukraine for the Ukrainians. And who knows what that leader will really be like. But this will disgrace Z enough that he might leave Ukraine altogether. But a person can put up with a lot of disgrace in return for the $billions he has laundered already, especially when he can go to all kinds of places around the world, an live like a king.

You gotta remember that Z was a pervert actor, flaunting his naked body in shameless acts of perversion on the Internet and elsewhere. He might not be flaunting his nakedness any longer, but he is way worse now. He's an actor doing his best to make $billions and keep it flowing even though he is killing thousands of troops by doing so.

[montaga]

Why Russia Can't Win In Ukraine
https://youtu.be/Acrk4mo5g1g

Russian armies attempt to take Ukraine."Victory will be for us!"
https://youtu.be/8disbBUhaHA?t=599

[DaRude]

The only thing Trump can do in Alaska meeting is to agree to give back Alaska.
Hard to find something crazier than have ceasefire talks without one Waring party partaking.
Most likely the meeting wont even happen.

There is still a big self-imposed by Ruzzia barrier to have conversations directly with Ukraine after all the propaganda that has corner=painted Putin into a maximalist goal. However in diplomatic terms there needs to be some work being done and the US is what we have to make the mediatior role.

Regardless, there is little chance of Putin accepting anything that is not a strategic victory, while the situation of the front and the economies is not there yet. Putin's current proposal to Ukraine is to conceed the most fortified part of the front, for free, on the simple promise of "starting talks" - so the proposal is "give me what I want and then we keep talking".

In diplomatic terms this means "I do not want peace, I am just saying something that I know you will not ever take".

It will take two or three years to bring Ruzzia to something near a real interest in talking. More loses, more economic damage.... All ok with the US.

Why talk to a puppet when you can talk directly to the puppeteer, especially when puppeteer is now willing and is clearly shifting away from the previous Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine position. Like the attempt with the sanctions, as always, follow the money, no money no war Vance: ‘We’re done with the funding of the Ukraine war business’

Does anyone really have any doubt that whatever Putin and Trump will agree on will happen? From the Minsk agreements EU showed that their signatures are not worth the paper they're written on, so big boys must talk it out between themselves directly.

Tariff's short term effects are starting to creep into the economy, and Trump needs to stimulate it. Committing billions more to Ukraine and putting in more sanctions have only short term downside, and long term upside is not guaranteed either (even if Trump cared about such thing). But ending this and bringing back Russia's resources by removal of sanctions would bring a 'uuuge stimulus to the economy and probably give Trump that Nobel peace prize that he's after (however the territory line runs between Russia and Ukraine).

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

The only thing that matters is if Trump takes it. What's the point of waiting 2-3yrs if even now Ukraine can't mobilize enough manpower to compensate for the losses and sustain the retreat at the current level? And with current trend in Zelenskiy's rating it doesn't look like he can push through mobilizing women without population revolting against him.

US will vote for a new president in 3yrs, you really think Trump will waste energy now for something that would only benefit the next president?

Crimea is Crimea not Russian or Ukrainien territory
https://youtu.be/fs0nN4zBgmI
What happend with "Hello my 'deer' friends?"

Military Summary has taken a few days off... maybe more than a weak, even.


Trump shortened the 50-days to 12-days (10-days?) for Putin to end the Ukraine war. Putin was acting mercifully with Ukraine, but now he may have to mount an all-out war to get it done in 12 days.

Or Trump will put up some more tariffs/sanctions that won't change anything, and will distance himself further from Ukraine, essentially continuing the war until Ukraine goes back under Russia's sphere. If US had any leverage to tell Russia how to end this war, Biden would've already done it.

Oh, your wet dreams again over and over... There is no scenario in which that happens - not with China watching the game from the sides and Germany spending in weapons more than ever since WW II.

I think Trump has passed now the knowledge test about Ruzzian "diplomacy" 101, and 201. He is now moving into finding out what the fuc* to do about the situation. The answer is... exactly what he was complaning about with the previous POTUS. He is not smarter, he is not stronger and Putin does not respect him any more than he respected Kamala.

believe that deadline passed on Friday, so what did we get besides some tariffs?  

[WillyAp]

You gotta remember that Z was a pervert actor, flaunting his naked body in shameless acts of perversion on the Internet and elsewhere. He might not be flaunting his nakedness any longer, but he is way worse now. He's an actor doing his best to make $billions and keep it flowing even though he is killing thousands of troops by doing so.

You gotta remember not to use RT as a source for information.

Notably, in 2021, the organization “Organized Crime and Corruption Research Project” (OCCRP) published an article based on the Pandora Papers, according to which Zelenskyy and his close circle own a network of offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus and Belize. The OCCRP also notes that these offshore companies have bought expensive properties in London. According to the OCCRP article, the offshore companies were formed before Zelenskyy became president in 2019 and are also linked to Kvartal 95. in addition, the article does not indicate that Zelensky was actively involved in the activities of offshore companies or luxury real estate after becoming president. Following the release of the Pandora Papers, Ukraine’s president denied the fact that offshore companies were being used for money laundering, noting that during the rule of President Viktor Yanukovych, it was typical for media-related businesses to establish companies abroad, and this created a way to avoid political influence. It is worth noting that the OCCRP investigation does not claim that Zelensky is hiding billions of assets.

https://mythdetector.com/en/what-is-the-actual-net-worth-of-zelenskyy-and-is-it-linked-to-his-political-career/


Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

[DaRude]

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Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

Most people were conditioned not to believe Putin's word. But non of that matters. What matters are agreements, and the consequences of pulling out of them. If it's more beneficial for a country to break an agreement I'd argue that the president has a duty to go against his own word if it's in the best interest of his country.

The whole unclassified conversation between Gorbachev and James Baker (US secretary of state) is interesting to read to get an idea how these agreements are happening now behind the closed doors. But here's an excerpt relevant to believing someone's word

We fought a war together to bring peace to Europe. We didn't do so well handling the peace in the Cold was. And now we are faced with rapid and fundamental change. And we are in a better position to cooperate in preserving peace. I want you to know one thing for certain. The President and I have made clear that we seek no unilateral advantage in this process.
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We  understand the need for assurances to the countries in the East. If we maintain a presence in a Germany that is a part of NATO, there would be no extension of NATO's jurisdiction for forces of NATO one inch to the east.
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For France and for Britain the question is whose going to be the major player in Europe. We have it easier. We are big countries and have out own weight. We also see how Kohl and his team are talking to us -- very carefully knowing what our two countries mean. So it is important to channel this process, while recognizing the sensitivities and being tactful.

And we all see what NATO has been doing since then and why Georgia and Ukraine became the hottest points, and the value of politicians word.


We have no lasting friends, no lasting enemies, only lasting interests.
-Winston Churchill

[LTU_btc]

The only thing Trump can do in Alaska meeting is to agree to give back Alaska.
Hard to find something crazier than have ceasefire talks without one Waring party partaking.
Most likely the meeting wont even happen.

Trump already starts to remind me Biden. In today's press conference he said so much nonsense. Like that he is going to Russia - since when Alaska is part of Russia. Or Russia would have been in Kyiv in four hours if they went down the highway You're kidding. Ukraine used to have a thousand miles of coastline along the ocean, but now it doesn't; only a small piece near Odesa remains. Since when Azov and Black Sea become  ocean.
First of all for me it's still difficult to believe that Putin actually will arrive to Alaska. And even if he will arrive, I doubt that metting will have result.

https://mythdetector.com/en/what-is-the-actual-net-worth-of-zelenskyy-and-is-it-linked-to-his-political-career/


Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

Do you think that he cares about these facts. He will tell that's fake or smth. Actually, Zelensky was rich already before becoming president, hevwas earning more than being president now. But it's not that he is extremely rich, Zelensky is far away from richest people in Ukraine.

[montaga]

Situation is critical, there could be a military coup in Russia in the next weeks. Friday is a long way away for Putin, he needs help urgently.

[paxmao]

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Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

Most people were conditioned not to believe Putin's word. But non of that matters. What matters are agreements, and the consequences of pulling out of them. If it's more beneficial for a country to break an agreement I'd argue that the president has a duty to go against his own word if it's in the best interest of his country.
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Conditioned? I would not call that "conditioning" but simply mere observation of how often the words either mean nothing or are simply an attempt to manipulate.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-military-drills-purely-defensive-and-not-a-threat-as-western-leaders-warn-invasion-imminent-12545284

Putin says military drills 'purely defensive' and 'not a threat' as Western leaders warn invasion imminent

not the first one, not the last one.

And sorry to break this to you, but it does matter. If Putin and Ruzzia had a credible reputation on regards to keeping their international agreements, this war could be over much faster. However, based on the experience and observation (not "conditioning") any agreement that is just a paper means zero and requires effective measures on the ground rather than just "good will".

[BADecker]

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Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

Most people were conditioned not to believe Putin's word. But non of that matters. What matters are agreements, and the consequences of pulling out of them. If it's more beneficial for a country to break an agreement I'd argue that the president has a duty to go against his own word if it's in the best interest of his country.
[...]

Conditioned? I would not call that "conditioning" but simply mere observation of how often the words either mean nothing or are simply an attempt to manipulate.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-military-drills-purely-defensive-and-not-a-threat-as-western-leaders-warn-invasion-imminent-12545284

Putin says military drills 'purely defensive' and 'not a threat' as Western leaders warn invasion imminent

not the first one, not the last one.

And sorry to break this to you, but it does matter. If Putin and Ruzzia had a credible reputation on regards to keeping their international agreements, this war could be over much faster. However, based on the experience and observation (not "conditioning") any agreement that is just a paper means zero and requires effective measures on the ground rather than just "good will".

But the real point is that right now - though it might change in the future - If Russia wanted to take over the world by force, all they would have to do is do it.

[montaga]

Russia now threatening Moldova with invasion because they want to join NATO
Kaliningrad jamming facility building has been identified, will it be hit?
Let's pretend its not the end of the world.

[DaRude]

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Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

Most people were conditioned not to believe Putin's word. But non of that matters. What matters are agreements, and the consequences of pulling out of them. If it's more beneficial for a country to break an agreement I'd argue that the president has a duty to go against his own word if it's in the best interest of his country.
[...]

Conditioned? I would not call that "conditioning" but simply mere observation of how often the words either mean nothing or are simply an attempt to manipulate.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-military-drills-purely-defensive-and-not-a-threat-as-western-leaders-warn-invasion-imminent-12545284

Putin says military drills 'purely defensive' and 'not a threat' as Western leaders warn invasion imminent

not the first one, not the last one.

And sorry to break this to you, but it does matter. If Putin and Ruzzia had a credible reputation on regards to keeping their international agreements, this war could be over much faster. However, based on the experience and observation (not "conditioning") any agreement that is just a paper means zero and requires effective measures on the ground rather than just "good will".

President-elect Joe Biden says Americans won't be forced to take a coronavirus vaccine when one becomes available in the US.

Zelenskyy said multiple times that Ukrainian constitution prohibits presidential elections during martial's law. That is not factually correct. Best argument i heard is that it's just an oversight, as Ukrainian constitution does prohibit parliament elections during martial's law but as an oopsy completely forgot about the president, which is weak at best

I believe i don't have to provide quotes from Trump which turned out to be false right?

So your point?

[montaga]

NATO and Russia in panic, the war is running of script. The deep state WEF puppet Putin is supposed to win the war as per blueprint and the new territories reseved for the bearded gang members. Now people in Ukraine have taken matters in own hand and became way to strong for NATO's liking.
Russia has the manpower brute force and still plenty of men to sent to the meat grinder and take the odd peasant village along the way.
Ukraine people defending grandpas homestay can now strike just about anywhere, anything in Russia.
Only a imminent victory can save Putin now, the generals are on his neck, a growing numbers of Russian people and of course Ukrainiens.
https://youtu.be/y3EnlJxK5Xk

[paxmao]

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Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

Most people were conditioned not to believe Putin's word. But non of that matters. What matters are agreements, and the consequences of pulling out of them. If it's more beneficial for a country to break an agreement I'd argue that the president has a duty to go against his own word if it's in the best interest of his country.
[...]

Conditioned? I would not call that "conditioning" but simply mere observation of how often the words either mean nothing or are simply an attempt to manipulate.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-military-drills-purely-defensive-and-not-a-threat-as-western-leaders-warn-invasion-imminent-12545284

Putin says military drills 'purely defensive' and 'not a threat' as Western leaders warn invasion imminent

not the first one, not the last one.

And sorry to break this to you, but it does matter. If Putin and Ruzzia had a credible reputation on regards to keeping their international agreements, this war could be over much faster. However, based on the experience and observation (not "conditioning") any agreement that is just a paper means zero and requires effective measures on the ground rather than just "good will".

President-elect Joe Biden says Americans won't be forced to take a coronavirus vaccine when one becomes available in the US.

Zelenskyy said multiple times that Ukrainian constitution prohibits presidential elections during martial's law. That is not factually correct. Best argument i heard is that it's just an oversight, as Ukrainian constitution does prohibit parliament elections during martial's law but as an oopsy completely forgot about the president, which is weak at best

I believe i don't have to provide quotes from Trump which turned out to be false right?

So your point?

I am not sure how you intend to relate something Biden says with following an international agreement. These are so different in nature that I am guessing you are desperatetly trying to find something to say? The closes you are going to get is to the US systematically breaking the treaties with the original inhabitants of North America - if that qualifies as international.

Many posts ago, I did give you the exact bits of the Ukranian constitution that do not allow elections and under which context. But you do not care about democracy in Ukraine, you are just seeking a way of manipulating.

I was wondering... when will Putin decide to face free elections with multiple oposing candidates (as oppossed to killing them)? Rethorical, do not bother.

[DaRude]

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Only a few people remain believers of president Putins word.

No one cares what Putin or Zelensiy or Trump want, it's what they can get. Situation on the front leaves no doubt that Russia can take Donbas with time. If US can reach agreement that Russia will stop there and won't continue further, then why waste more souls and billions for the same outcome?

Most people were conditioned not to believe Putin's word. But non of that matters. What matters are agreements, and the consequences of pulling out of them. If it's more beneficial for a country to break an agreement I'd argue that the president has a duty to go against his own word if it's in the best interest of his country.
[...]

Conditioned? I would not call that "conditioning" but simply mere observation of how often the words either mean nothing or are simply an attempt to manipulate.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-crisis-putin-says-military-drills-purely-defensive-and-not-a-threat-as-western-leaders-warn-invasion-imminent-12545284

Putin says military drills 'purely defensive' and 'not a threat' as Western leaders warn invasion imminent

not the first one, not the last one.

And sorry to break this to you, but it does matter. If Putin and Ruzzia had a credible reputation on regards to keeping their international agreements, this war could be over much faster. However, based on the experience and observation (not "conditioning") any agreement that is just a paper means zero and requires effective measures on the ground rather than just "good will".

President-elect Joe Biden says Americans won't be forced to take a coronavirus vaccine when one becomes available in the US.

Zelenskyy said multiple times that Ukrainian constitution prohibits presidential elections during martial's law. That is not factually correct. Best argument i heard is that it's just an oversight, as Ukrainian constitution does prohibit parliament elections during martial's law but as an oopsy completely forgot about the president, which is weak at best

I believe i don't have to provide quotes from Trump which turned out to be false right?

So your point?

I am not sure how you intend to relate something Biden says with following an international agreement. These are so different in nature that I am guessing you are desperatetly trying to find something to say? The closes you are going to get is to the US systematically breaking the treaties with the original inhabitants of North America - if that qualifies as international.

Many posts ago, I did give you the exact bits of the Ukranian constitution that do not allow elections and under which context. But you do not care about democracy in Ukraine, you are just seeking a way of manipulating.

I was wondering... when will Putin decide to face free elections with multiple oposing candidates (as oppossed to killing them)? Rethorical, do not bother.

I'm answering WillyApp's post about believing presidents words. You seem to want to differentiate between the lies presidents say. International agreements get broken by all sides all the time, or were you not aware of this? US has been violating Cuba's international rights which overwhelming majority of the world has been condemning for 60 years now, so? You see what Israel is doing in Gaza with total US support, but i guess you have explanations on how that's totally different?

Once again stop using straw man fallacy, you're well aware that I'm talking about Ukrainain PRESIDENTIAL elections and NOT PARLIAMENT elections! You're the one totally ignoring Ukrainian constitution which sets the exact term and the exact day Presidential elections must take place.

When you consider that elections in Iraq and Afghanistan were considered "free", by that measurement Russia's elections were definitely much "free'er".
To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law

[BADecker]

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I am not sure how you intend to relate something Biden says with following an international agreement. These are so different in nature that I am guessing you are desperatetly trying to find something to say? The closes you are going to get is to the US systematically breaking the treaties with the original inhabitants of North America - if that qualifies as international.

Many posts ago, I did give you the exact bits of the Ukranian constitution that do not allow elections and under which context. But you do not care about democracy in Ukraine, you are just seeking a way of manipulating.

I was wondering... when will Putin decide to face free elections with multiple oposing candidates (as oppossed to killing them)? Rethorical, do not bother.

I'm answering WillyApp's post about believing presidents words. You seem to want to differentiate between the lies presidents say. International agreements get broken by all sides all the time, or were you not aware of this? US has been violating Cuba's international rights which overwhelming majority of the world has been condemning for 60 years now, so? You see what Israel is doing in Gaza with total US support, but i guess you have explanations on how that's totally different?

Once again stop using straw man fallacy, you're well aware that I'm talking about Ukrainain PRESIDENTIAL elections and NOT PARLIAMENT elections! You're the one totally ignoring Ukrainian constitution which sets the exact term and the exact day Presidential elections must take place.

When you consider that elections in Iraq and Afghanistan were considered "free", by that measurement Russia's elections were definitely much "free'er".
To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law

When you get right down to the nitty-gritty, all this talk about elections means nothing. Why? Because in martial law the leader is a dictator. Who is going to refute him since he has complete authority. All anybody has to do is try, and hope he is merciful enough to give them life in prison rather than death in a firing squad.

It makes for fun talks to guess what parliament might do in Ukraine if there were elections. But nothing counts until Zelensky allows it.

First take Z down, and then talk about elections.


Vance Announces Major Breakthrough In Ukraine, Says Kiev Must Relinquish Land & US Won’t Supply Weapons


https://www.infowars.com/posts/vance-announced-major-breakthrough-in-ukraine-says-kiev-must-relinquish-land-us-wont-supply-weapons
On Sunday Vice President JD Vance went on Fox News where he discussed The White House's progress on President Donald Trump's peace plan. He said that Washington is done funding Kiev, as well as reiterated statements from Trump that Ukraine must relinquish some of the land it has lost to Russia during the war, something Ukraine's Dictator remains defiant about.

"Americans, I think, are sick of continuing to send their money, their tax dollars, to this particular conflict. But if the Europeans want to step up and buy the weapons from American producers, we're okay with that. But we're not going to fund it ourselves anymore," he said.

Vance began discussing the Ukraine topic at 5:40 into the video:

The Vice President explained that Trump's team has been working tirelessly to bring an end to the conflict. Territorial concessions will be part of the settlement, although he admitted that not everyone will be happy, likely referencing Zelensky's defiant social media rantings from Saturday.

"If you take where the current line of contact between Russia and Ukraine is, we're going to try to find some negotiated settlement that the Ukrainians and the Russians can live with," Vance said. "…it's not going to make anybody super happy."

One of the main logjams, Vance said, has been Russian President Vladimir Putin's reluctance to make a formal deal with Ukraine's Dictator Vladimir Zelensky.

The Vice President said this is why Trump is set to meet Putin in-person on Friday, as well as revealed that now Trump's team is working on scheduling a meeting between the three leaders (Trump, Putin and Zelensky).
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Vance Says US 'Done Funding Ukraine War' - Demands Europe Step Up


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/vance-says-us-done-funding-ukraine-war-demands-europe-step
"We're done with the funding of the Ukraine war business. We want to bring about a peaceful settlement to this thing," Vance told Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures".

"Americans, I think, are sick of continuing to send their money, their tax dollars of this particular conflict but if the Europeans want to step up and actually buy the weapons from American producers we're OK with that, but we're not going to fund it ourselves anymore," the vice president continued.

So while this seems a step in the right direction of finding peace settlement, his comments still signify a White House greenlight of sorts to keep the proxy war going.

Already this more 'indirect' system of supplying Kiev has been in effect for some time - which sees European nations purchase and transfer American miltary hardware for Ukraine. And so it's not exactly a full commitment to turn the US arms pipeline off, and in some ways it could lead to less restrictions on the type of advanced hardware given to Ukraine. Dozens of F-16s have already been transfered to Ukraine's air force in this way.

Vance in the Fox appearance commented on the open question of whether Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky will also be present at the venue for the Trump-Putin summit.

While admitting that it wouldn't be a good idea for Putin and Zelensky to meet directly at this early phase, Vance held out hope that this could soon be arranged based on progress made.

"One of the most important logjams is that Vladimir Putin said that he would never sit down with Zelensky, the head of Ukraine, and the president has now got that to change," he said.

The vice president added that White House is working on "scheduling and things like that around when these three leaders could sit down and discuss an end to this conflict."

Zelensky is still making his voice known amid concerns that Ukraine's interests could be sidelined. "Ukraine is ready for real decisions that can bring peace. Any decisions that are against us, any decisions that are without Ukraine, are at the same time decisions against peace," he asserted in a video posted on X.
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[paxmao]

I'm answering WillyApp's post about believing presidents words. You seem to want to differentiate between the lies presidents say. International agreements get broken by all sides all the time, or were you not aware of this? US has been violating Cuba's international rights which overwhelming majority of the world has been condemning for 60 years now, so? You see what Israel is doing in Gaza with total US support, but i guess you have explanations on how that's totally different?

Once again stop using straw man fallacy, you're well aware that I'm talking about Ukrainain PRESIDENTIAL elections and NOT PARLIAMENT elections! You're the one totally ignoring Ukrainian constitution which sets the exact term and the exact day Presidential elections must take place.

When you consider that elections in Iraq and Afghanistan were considered "free", by that measurement Russia's elections were definitely much "free'er".
To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law

In Gaza... you mean Israel attacking Gaza is the same as Ruzzia invading Ukraine... sorry I am unable to even follow your logic.

The reason is again your mindset. You believe in empires, blocks, influence, the supremacy of Ruzzians (or at least some of them), ... You have a hammer and everything looks like a nail to you.

Nope, you are actually trying to break the Ukranian law. I already quoted and described he relevant articles, why are those in Ukranian constitution and how they have the effect of not allowing elections during war.

You are absolutely obsesed with elections in Ukraine assuming that Ruzzian influence and bribes would somehow hand the victory that Putin is unable to get in the fields. Do not take as a certainty at all.

[BADecker]

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I'm answering WillyApp's post about believing presidents words. You seem to want to differentiate between the lies presidents say. International agreements get broken by all sides all the time, or were you not aware of this? US has been violating Cuba's international rights which overwhelming majority of the world has been condemning for 60 years now, so? You see what Israel is doing in Gaza with total US support, but i guess you have explanations on how that's totally different?

Once again stop using straw man fallacy, you're well aware that I'm talking about Ukrainain PRESIDENTIAL elections and NOT PARLIAMENT elections! You're the one totally ignoring Ukrainian constitution which sets the exact term and the exact day Presidential elections must take place.

When you consider that elections in Iraq and Afghanistan were considered "free", by that measurement Russia's elections were definitely much "free'er".
To my friends, anything; to my enemies, the law

In Gaza... you mean Israel attacking Gaza is the same as Ruzzia invading Ukraine... sorry I am unable to even follow your logic.

The reason is again your mindset. You believe in empires, blocks, influence, the supremacy of Ruzzians (or at least some of them), ... You have a hammer and everything looks like a nail to you.

Nope, you are actually trying to break the Ukranian law. I already quoted and described he relevant articles, why are those in Ukranian constitution and how they have the effect of not allowing elections during war.

You are absolutely obsesed with elections in Ukraine assuming that Ruzzian influence and bribes would somehow hand the victory that Putin is unable to get in the fields. Do not take as a certainty at all.

Meanwhile Russia advances by dozens of square miles a day. Soon there won't be any Ukraine to have elections in.

Zelensky will flee to some other country, and since he won't abdicate before he leaves, he will be dictator of Ukraine lands forever. Lol.

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Meanwhile Russia advances by dozens of square miles a day. Soon there won't be any Ukraine to have elections in.

Zelensky will flee to some other country, and since he won't abdicate before he leaves, he will be dictator of Ukraine lands forever. Lol.

What actual right has Russia to take a whole section of a neighbouring country when this country it has invaded never attacked Russia prior to the invasion. If Ukraine attacked Russia then Russia would have a right to defend itself including going into the territory to remove the threat but Ukraine has not actually attacked the territory of Russia until they were invaded. Now the Russians are offended Ukraine is attacking bases inside Russia? What did they expect?

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The August 2008 Russo-Georgian War, also known as the Russian invasion of Georgia,[note 3] was a war waged against Georgia by the Russian Federation and the Russian-backed separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. The fighting took place in the strategically important South Caucasus region. It is regarded as the first European war of the 21st century.[31]

That conflict started when Georgia attacked South Ossetia no matter what wikipedia says. The Russians put an end to it in 5 days and no matter what any other idiot source blabbers on about the region there is only interest due to control of part of an energy pipeline and transit region as was the war in Syria when assad refused to do business on the Qatar transit line on account of the damage to russian dominance of energy supplies it would cause as is the same with Ukraine along with another few reasons.These wars are all about business interests however maybe that is one of the most clever pretexts presented by powers who operate on both sides of the table to bring about something that is not even remotely presented and this pretext is the most logical for the sheople. All the talk about territorial integrity is laughable and can only be easily digested by half wits. Anyone with a few working brain cells knows russia or ruzzia could lay waste to ukraine in a couple of days if it needed to even if it wasn't wished for and the powers that be even as fractured as they are will continue to bring about whatever it is they have planned for everyone on a global scale. There are serious games at play here that we have absolutely no idea of the outcome but these current wars are not even the spark on that fuse. They are simply a way of organising things in the future by the old feudal ways with good old common people as cannon fodder ...much like a lethal game of chess but only lethal for the players thrown onto the board.

You don't have the full data. I'll tell you.
This conflict began with Russia's support for Ossetian separatists.
In the early 1990s, South Ossetia proclaimed their independence, which was never recognized by the international community (except for Russia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Syria, and Nauru).

Georgia believes that South Ossetia is its ancestral land, and Ossetians are just another ethnic group. Georgia sees South Ossetia's desire to secede as the result of Russian policy and incitement. Russian provided financial and military support to Ossetian separatists.

In both 2008 in Georgia, and in 2014 and 2022 in Ukraine, Russian propaganda used the narrative that Georgia and Ukraine were committing "genocide" against the Russian-speaking population, which required a "humanitarian intervention." International investigations did not confirm these accusations.

Therefore, claiming that "Georgia attacked Ossetia" is equivalent to claiming that "Ukraine attacked the DPR and LPR."

(It's important to add that Ossetians are a distinct people who are not part of the Georgian ethnic group. It's a pity that they attempted to realize their right to self-determination through armed conflict with Russia's help, just like Abkhazia. Now, having gained independence from Georgia, both Ossetia and Abkhazia are, in effect, under the control of Russia.)

PS. Please research such things a little better. Spreading incorrect information harms the community.