How Satoshi Nakamoto Fooled the World

[Snowshow]

Like I have said. Human capacity for imaginary creation is enormous. So, some of you are obsessed with some guy that is been trolling in this forum. And now I am that guy because I have stated some facts in this topic. Hahaha. What else are you gonna come up with?

So you're saying you're not that guy? You're not from Croatia (or don't speak Croatian)?

I am saying nothing. I have posted rhetorical question because you are saying something about some guy on this topic. You are ignoring the subject of the topic and trying to have conversations about a person. You are imagining something about someone and expect from me to verify your fictions by revealing my personal info. I am simply not playing your trolling game.

They can fantasize about bitcoin, talk about it, dream about its wonderful features. But in reality all that exist are address and numbers attached to them. Nothing else.

It needs creativity from your part. You, specifically, lack in it.

So, some of you are obsessed with some guy that is been trolling in this forum.

No, you're indeed that guy and I can understand this from your writing style. For example, you use the same words/phrases they used ("Sherlock", "non-existent" etc.), you quote posts exactly as they did. You're also the only person who keeps opening this kind of topics.

Do you ever have the feeling that you're the smartest person in the room? Like, so smart no one understands you?

So, you also. Ignoring the subject of the topic and fantasizing about the person who started the topic. Why are you posting your fantasies and theories about a person on this topic?

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[BlackHatCoiner]

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Don't bullshit a bullshitter. Just admit it and move on.

[Snowshow]

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Don't bullshit a bullshitter. Just admit it and move on.

I am simply not falling for your games. Everyone of us can write here whatever they want about themselves or others. It's just words and mean nothing. The point is that you've lost this discussion about bitcoin's non-existence and you cannot accept the loss. For that reason you are engaging in ad hominem attacks. From playing semantics you've moved to ad hominems. Just admit you were wrong and move on. Admit that you were fool to took Satoshi's paper at face value and that's it. Satoshi is probably someone uneducated in finance and economy so they didn't know that attaching numbers to a name doesn't constitute a payment to that name. And that money is an actual thing and not a concept about quantity. Stop following the herd and treating the words of some economically uneducated person as the Bible. Use your brains. Like I do.

[FatFork]

Like I have said. Human capacity for imaginary creation is enormous. So, some of you are obsessed with some guy that is been trolling in this forum. And now I am that guy because I have stated some facts in this topic. Hahaha. What else are you gonna come up with?

So you're saying you're not that guy? You're not from Croatia (or don't speak Croatian)?

I am saying nothing. I have posted rhetorical question because you are saying something about some guy on this topic. You are ignoring the subject of the topic and trying to have conversations about a person. You are imagining something about someone and expect from me to verify your fictions by revealing my personal info. I am simply not playing your trolling game.

And that tells me everything. It's really amazing how creative you can be when forced into a corner.

Here are a few more details to substantiate my "fiction".

A few days before you created a new account here and started this topic, you posted this on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/tc0wkg/comment/i0c6edy/

You use the nickname "Policajac", which is a Croatian word for policeman. This indicates you are from Croatia or speak Croatian. Both, "fxsurfer" and "antikvark", were active in the Croatian local. Coincidence?

[Snowshow]

Like I have said. Human capacity for imaginary creation is enormous. So, some of you are obsessed with some guy that is been trolling in this forum. And now I am that guy because I have stated some facts in this topic. Hahaha. What else are you gonna come up with?

So you're saying you're not that guy? You're not from Croatia (or don't speak Croatian)?

I am saying nothing. I have posted rhetorical question because you are saying something about some guy on this topic. You are ignoring the subject of the topic and trying to have conversations about a person. You are imagining something about someone and expect from me to verify your fictions by revealing my personal info. I am simply not playing your trolling game.

And that tells me everything. It's really amazing how creative you can be when forced into a corner.

Here are a few more details to substantiate my "fiction".

A few days before you created a new account here and started this topic, you posted this on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/tc0wkg/comment/i0c6edy/

You use the nickname "Policajac", which is a Croatian word for policeman. This indicates you are from Croatia or speak Croatian. Both, "fxsurfer" and "antikvark", were active in the Croatian local. Coincidence?

Like I've said. These ideas, theories, indications or whatever are just products of your imagination. I am not forced into a corner. I am simply not playing your games. I started this topic and talk about the subject. You on the other hand are preforming some kind of investigation trying to find out whether I am some guy. Even that text on Reddit. How do you know I wrote it. How do you know it is not just someone's copy/paste? The point is that you see what you want to see. It doesn't matter what is reality. What matters is what constructs you created in your mind. You will always perceive the world according to these constructs. The same is with bitcoin. In reality there's no bitcoin. But you people created the whole magical kingdom of bitcoin based on your imaginary constructs. So, why would I play this game of yours? It's a waste of time.

[BlackHatCoiner]

It doesn't matter what is reality.

But, does it or not after all?

Anyway, you don't want to understand. I'll leave you to your own desperation.

[savetheFORUM]

Now, can you finally tell me where's this product? And how it looks like.

Where's this "dollar" product? How does it look like? 

It turns out that we disagree of what's money. You say that it's solely debt. I agree with this definition:

the fact or quality of being generally accepted or in use.

And Bitcoin fulfills it.

If someone wants to go against you, defend what they are saying and not try to learn more about an argument, you will not get anything about it. I personally believe that a healthy discussion should involve both sides trying to learn each other's opinion and maybe they won't change their views but at least understand each other, whereas there are some people who argue with you just because they want to argue and not even care about your point of view and try to understand it.

Bitcoin is obviously a currency, and it fulfils all of the descriptions and it will always be there, we have a marketcap of 1+ trillion dollars, it doesn't matter if someone puts an argument against it, we already accepted it long time ago.

[rby]

I was patient to read to the end in order to ensure I understood OP. What OP meant in essence is that btc is valueless, btc is a mere alphanumeric digits that could be generated at random from a think air. Also that what makes it look like btc has value is the cryptography (blockchain). That though blockchain has some usefulness, but the bitcoin it carries has no fortune. It is quite surprising to me that all I have been doing my life is sending sms to people thinking it's money.

Let us assume OP was right. I have my local bank app in my phone which I use to do transactions, just few minutes ago I sent my niece her school fees with more tips on it. How excited she was for something that has no value. I messaged her initially, saying "how are you" she wasn't excited, but when I sent her bitcoin message she became the happiest in the campus. This can mean that bitcoin has not value, it is just a message, but the message it carries has value.

Then you said about ownership right. Does it mean that all my life I have been deceiving myself with my private keys, thinking that it is my ownership right? Mehn! I could not clink your link, I don't want further crap.

[DooMAD]

If someone wants to go against you, defend what they are saying and not try to learn more about an argument, you will not get anything about it. I personally believe that a healthy discussion should involve both sides trying to learn each other's opinion and maybe they won't change their views but at least understand each other, whereas there are some people who argue with you just because they want to argue and not even care about your point of view and try to understand it.

There are limits to that, though.  It assumes good intent on both sides, which really wasn't the case here.  This was never going to be a healthy discussion.  When someone like the OP is determined to hold a dishonest and overtly hostile position from start to finish, it's certainly not healthy for the community to allow them to spread misinformation totally unopposed.

I see no money.

And you're certainly not the only one.  There are plenty of people out there who either don't get it, thinks it's fake, or believe it has no value.  But do you know what you have in common with such people? 

Those who are blind to opportunities are unable to seize upon them. 

If you miss out because you were too ignorant to see the light, it's your own stupid fault.  And I'm pretty certain you're going to regret it one day. 

Assuming you don't already, that is.  I'm actually starting to wonder if maybe your fixation with registering all these accounts and spouting all this hostility for all these years is nothing more than bitterness on your part, since you know you messed up by not being a part of this earlier when you had the chance.  It must suck to be you if I'm right.

[Snowshow]

It doesn't matter what is reality.

But, does it or not after all?

Anyway, you don't want to understand. I'll leave you to your own desperation.

Your opinion on my understanding or desperation is irrelevant. Non of your opinions about me are important. What is important is that the whole army of people has fell for a false narrative on bitcoin's existence. Essentially what we have is a giant fraud where people are told they are buying an asset called bitcoin but only mathematical symbols on concept of quantity are attached to their names (addresses). This is a way more important thing than your opinion on me.

[Snowshow]

If someone wants to go against you, defend what they are saying and not try to learn more about an argument, you will not get anything about it. I personally believe that a healthy discussion should involve both sides trying to learn each other's opinion and maybe they won't change their views but at least understand each other, whereas there are some people who argue with you just because they want to argue and not even care about your point of view and try to understand it.

There are limits to that, though.  It assumes good intent on both sides, which really wasn't the case here.  This was never going to be a healthy discussion.  When someone like the OP is determined to hold a dishonest and overtly hostile position from start to finish, it's certainly not healthy for the community to allow them to spread misinformation totally unopposed.

I see no money.

And you're certainly not the only one.  There are plenty of people out there who either don't get it, thinks it's fake, or believe it has no value.  But do you know what you have in common with such people?  

Those who are blind to opportunities are unable to seize upon them.  

If you miss out because you were too ignorant to see the light, it's your own stupid fault.  And I'm pretty certain you're going to regret it one day.  

Assuming you don't already, that is.  I'm actually starting to wonder if maybe your fixation with registering all these accounts and spouting all this hostility for all these years is nothing more than bitterness on your part, since you know you messed up by not being a part of this earlier when you had the chance.  It must suck to be you if I'm right.

Well, then show me the money. I see math symbols attached to addresses. These symbols are informing the address holders that they have a specific quantity of a digital product called bitcoin. Someone calls it money/token/coin/asset/commodity.  But, where is it? Show me that the info is not fake.

[slackovic]

Well, then show me the money. I see math symbols attached to addresses. These symbols are informing the address holders that they have a specific quantity of a digital product called bitcoin. Someone calls it money/token/coin/asset/commodity.  But, where is it? Show me that the info is not fake.

I'm really fascinated about two things. The first thing I'm fascinated about is that you are still coming back after all those years. Don't bother convincing me or anyone on this forum that you are not the same person as antikvark, fxsurfer, antithesis or some other account I can't remember. It's clear that you are the same person and you will probably be banned again for ban evasion.

The second thing I'm fascinated about is that you always come to this forum during the bear market. How come you don't post anything when Bitcoin is in a bull run?

[Snowshow]

Well, then show me the money. I see math symbols attached to addresses. These symbols are informing the address holders that they have a specific quantity of a digital product called bitcoin. Someone calls it money/token/coin/asset/commodity.  But, where is it? Show me that the info is not fake.

I'm really fascinated about two things. The first thing I'm fascinated about is that you are still coming back after all those years. Don't bother convincing me or anyone on this forum that you are not the same person as antikvark, fxsurfer, antithesis or some other account I can't remember. It's clear that you are the same person and you will probably be banned again for ban evasion.

The second thing I'm fascinated about is that you always come to this forum during the bear market. How come you don't post anything when Bitcoin is in a bull run?

When you ask a question you should base it in reality, not in your fictions. Your question is nonsensical. Both parts of it. In the second part you are mentioning bitcoin. But... where's bitcoin? Paying for symbols to be attached to your name is a human behavior. One can as well pay after you sent a number to their email address. This has nothing to do with markers, neither bull nor bear. It's just an irrational behavior. In the markets we have actually things that are traded. And there's no such thing as bitcoin.

[slackovic]

When you ask a question you should base it in reality, not in your fictions. Your question is nonsensical. Both parts of it. In the second part you are mentioning bitcoin. But... where's bitcoin? Paying for symbols to be attached to your name is a human behavior. One can as well pay after you sent a number to their email address. This has nothing to do with markers, neither bull nor bear. It's jus an irrational behavior. In the markets we have actually things that are traded. And there's no such thing as bitcoin.

Don't answer my question with a question. I asked you a simple question - why are you not here when Bitcoin's price is rising? You always come here when the price is falling. When you answer my question, then I'll answer yours.

[Snowshow]

When you ask a question you should base it in reality, not in your fictions. Your question is nonsensical. Both parts of it. In the second part you are mentioning bitcoin. But... where's bitcoin? Paying for symbols to be attached to your name is a human behavior. One can as well pay after you sent a number to their email address. This has nothing to do with markers, neither bull nor bear. It's jus an irrational behavior. In the markets we have actually things that are traded. And there's no such thing as bitcoin.

Don't answer my question with a question. I asked you a simple question - why are you not here when Bitcoin's price is rising? You always come here when the price is falling. When you answer my question, then I'll answer yours.

Your question is a nonsensical, something like if I ask you: "Have you stopped beating your wife?” It's called a complex question - a fallacy in which the answer to a given question presupposes a prior answer to a prior question. Also known as (or closely related to) a loaded question, a trick question, a leading question, the fallacy of the false question, and the fallacy of many questions.

But anyway, the subject here is a false narrative on bitcoin's existence. If you're not able to discuss it you are free not to post here. Your opinions on me are irrelevant.

[slackovic]

Your question is a nonsensical, something like if I ask you: "Have you stopped beating your wife?” It's called a complex question - a fallacy in which the answer to a given question presupposes a prior answer to a prior question. Also known as (or closely related to) a loaded question, a trick question, a leading question, the fallacy of the false question, and the fallacy of many questions.

But anyway, the subject here is a false narrative on bitcoin's existence. If you're not able to discuss it you are free not to post here. Your opinions on me are irrelevant.

OK. It is your thread so I'll bite...

You're saying that Bitcoin does not exist. How is Bitcoin different than fiat money used to pay online? For example, I just bought sneakers online with my credit card. The money I paid for the sneakers is also just a number in a bank's database, isn't it?

[FatFork]

When you ask a question you should base it in reality, not in your fictions. Your question is nonsensical. Both parts of it. In the second part you are mentioning bitcoin. But... where's bitcoin?

The same can be said for your questions as well. Your questions are nonsensical.

"Where is Bitcoin?" Bitcoin is a digital currency, like everything else digital, it doesn't exist in the physical world. ^{(There are physical representations of it, for example collectors' items.)} It is a type of information stored on digital media. Now, tell me, can you comprehend the concept of information that has value (to someone)? If you cannot, stop wasting our time and yours. If you can, stop using faulty arguments like "bitcoin doesn't exist". To the same extent, no information exists either.

Paying for symbols to be attached to your name is a human behavior.

Everything we do is human behavior. Your statement has no relevance.

One can as well pay after you sent a number to their email address.

And I'm sure many people are doing just that. You obviously have never worked remotely.

[Snowshow]

Your question is a nonsensical, something like if I ask you: "Have you stopped beating your wife?” It's called a complex question - a fallacy in which the answer to a given question presupposes a prior answer to a prior question. Also known as (or closely related to) a loaded question, a trick question, a leading question, the fallacy of the false question, and the fallacy of many questions.

But anyway, the subject here is a false narrative on bitcoin's existence. If you're not able to discuss it you are free not to post here. Your opinions on me are irrelevant.

OK. It is your thread so I'll bite...

You're saying that Bitcoin does not exist. How is Bitcoin different than fiat money used to pay online? For example, I just bought sneakers online with my credit card. The money I paid for the sneakers is also just a number in a bank's database, isn't it?

No it is not. You didn't pay sneakers with numbers, but with shares in ownership of bank's debt. Watch the video linked in OP. Numbers are just info on the quantity of shares. It's like 100 TSLA. 100 is info on quantity of shares in Tesla company. Debt in the banking system is the thing that exists. Tesla is the thing that exists. Bitcoin is a thing that doesn't exist. Numbers attached to the addresses are fake. People are lied to that they are buying bitcoin. They are not. The system just attaches numbers to their addresses.

[slackovic]

No it is not. You didn't pay sneakers with numbers, but with shares in ownership of bank's debt. Watch the video linked in OP. Numbers are just info on the quantity of shares. It's like 100 TSLA. 100 is info on quantity of shares in Tesla company. Debt in the banking system is the thing that exists. Tesla is the thing that exists. Bitcoin is a thing that doesn't exist. Numbers attached to the addresses are fake. People are lied to that they are buying bitcoin. They are not. The system just attaches numbers to their addresses.

You created a video for this nonsense? Oh my God, you are even more crazier than I thought.

OK, I agree that there is nothing physical behind Bitcoin like there is with traditional commodities. But you are looking at Bitcoin in the wrong way. Bitcoin is not a representation of something physical. It is Bitcoin. Just like an ounce of gold is an ounce of gold, one Bitcoin is one Bitcoin. There is nothing behind an ounce of gold because it's just an once of gold. It's the same with Bitcoin.

And Bitcoin is not just a number in a database. Go ahead and try to put a number into a Bitcoin's public ledger. If you manage to do that, I will buy that number from you.

[Snowshow]

No it is not. You didn't pay sneakers with numbers, but with shares in ownership of bank's debt. Watch the video linked in OP. Numbers are just info on the quantity of shares. It's like 100 TSLA. 100 is info on quantity of shares in Tesla company. Debt in the banking system is the thing that exists. Tesla is the thing that exists. Bitcoin is a thing that doesn't exist. Numbers attached to the addresses are fake. People are lied to that they are buying bitcoin. They are not. The system just attaches numbers to their addresses.

You created a video for this nonsense? Oh my God, you are even more crazier than I thought.

OK, I agree that there is nothing physical behind Bitcoin like there is with traditional commodities. But you are looking at Bitcoin in the wrong way. Bitcoin is not a representation of something physical. It is Bitcoin. Just like an ounce of gold is an ounce of gold, one Bitcoin is one Bitcoin. There is nothing behind an ounce of gold because it's just an once of gold. It's the same with Bitcoin.

And Bitcoin is not just a number in a database. Go ahead and try to put a number into a Bitcoin's public ledger. If you manage to do that, I will buy that number from you.

Of course bitcoin is not a number. A number is a concept about quantity of things represented with math symbols (0-9). Bitcoin is a non-existent thing. People talk about it, write about it, think about it, blockchain has data on its quantity, but nobody is able to show it. That's what I am telling you. Bitcoin is neither tangible nor intangible. Neither physical nor abstract. Bitcoin simply doesn't exist.