[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[harizen]

If they are really targeting the month of October then I do think that they should've been done already with their talks as it's we are now in July, so less time to prepare if indeed the fight will happen somewhere in October.

Both parties know the status of the ongoing negotiations therefore they might be preparing now even before the official announcement.

It's not that everything will just begin to prepare after they announced the official status of the fight. Preparations are surely in progress now as we speak and they didn't just announce it. Don't know what other things are left to be fixed but let's trust the process.

Even if they will announce it in August and the fight is supposedly in October, it's just fine and no worries about the preparation time.

[TravelMug]

If they are really targeting the month of October then I do think that they should've been done already with their talks as it's we are now in July, so less time to prepare if indeed the fight will happen somewhere in October.

Both parties know the status of the ongoing negotiations therefore they might be preparing now even before the official announcement.

It's not that everything will just begin to prepare after they announced the official status of the fight. Preparations are surely in progress now as we speak and they didn't just announce it. Don't know what other things are left to be fixed but let's trust the process.

Even if they will announce it in August and the fight is supposedly in October, it's just fine and no worries about the preparation time.

Correct, this two might be training already in preparation for their October fight. And if ever this fight didn't happen on that time frame, still good for them to be both prepare. You don't prepare from the moment the fight is announced. At least you have a grasp on how much this fight is going to happen, so again, every boxer will get every inch of advantage like having this body and their mind on it. So win-win situation for them, both are champions and knows what it is the line for this fight.

[inthelongrun]

There are too many rumors circulating but they were really vague as both camps and Showtime will try not to offend each other with the ongoing negotiations. So it's like we can only say that news is only reliable when it comes directly from Espinoza head of Showtime, Al Haymon of PBC, Ellerbe the manager of Spence, Spence himself, and Crawford himself. Stephen Espinoza of Showtime said this week that he is confident of a deal this month.

Errol Spence also said this week that a fight deal is near. But how near? I read another rumor that Spence is actually fine with the terms and that it is Crawford's monetary demands that are difficult to negotiate. These people aren't giving figures and numbers though so we do not have any idea what's going on. And we do not know if Crawford's demand is fair or not. Because clearly, Crawford is presenting himself in hostile territory with the fight itself aired by Spence's network and promoted by Spence's promoter.
 

[Yaunfitda]

There are too many rumors circulating but they were really vague as both camps and Showtime will try not to offend each other with the ongoing negotiations. So it's like we can only say that news is only reliable when it comes directly from Espinoza head of Showtime, Al Haymon of PBC, Ellerbe the manager of Spence, Spence himself, and Crawford himself. Stephen Espinoza of Showtime said this week that he is confident of a deal this month.

And if I'm not mistaken though, the news can only come out from the mouth of the reliable sources like you mentioned and they could include this in the contract itself. And if anyone break that, for sure the fight might got cancelled or if not, some monetary incentive of the parties that broke the agreement. And maybe this is the reason why it is so quiet that we don't hear anything from either of them because the negotiations are very secret that only a few people only knows what's going on behind. And all we hear are just noises and rumors.

[Taskford]

There are too many rumors circulating but they were really vague as both camps and Showtime will try not to offend each other with the ongoing negotiations. So it's like we can only say that news is only reliable when it comes directly from Espinoza head of Showtime, Al Haymon of PBC, Ellerbe the manager of Spence, Spence himself, and Crawford himself. Stephen Espinoza of Showtime said this week that he is confident of a deal this month.

And if I'm not mistaken though, the news can only come out from the mouth of the reliable sources like you mentioned and they could include this in the contract itself. And if anyone break that, for sure the fight might got cancelled or if not, some monetary incentive of the parties that broke the agreement. And maybe this is the reason why it is so quiet that we don't hear anything from either of them because the negotiations are very secret that only a few people only knows what's going on behind. And all we hear are just noises and rumors.

Don't know if that is the really case but actually if they remain silent towards that rumored fight then maybe they cannot hype up that huge match knowing that boxing still a business and sold millions of dollars ticket sales, so maybe there's no deal has been discuss yet toward thus fight and those news is just purely a rumor.

[Kelvinid]

There are too many rumors circulating but they were really vague as both camps and Showtime will try not to offend each other with the ongoing negotiations. So it's like we can only say that news is only reliable when it comes directly from Espinoza head of Showtime, Al Haymon of PBC, Ellerbe the manager of Spence, Spence himself, and Crawford himself. Stephen Espinoza of Showtime said this week that he is confident of a deal this month.

And if I'm not mistaken though, the news can only come out from the mouth of the reliable sources like you mentioned and they could include this in the contract itself. And if anyone break that, for sure the fight might got cancelled or if not, some monetary incentive of the parties that broke the agreement. And maybe this is the reason why it is so quiet that we don't hear anything from either of them because the negotiations are very secret that only a few people only knows what's going on behind. And all we hear are just noises and rumors.

Don't know if that is the really case but actually if they remain silent towards that rumored fight then maybe they cannot hype up that huge match knowing that boxing still a business and sold millions of dollars ticket sales, so maybe there's no deal has been discuss yet toward thus fight and those news is just purely a rumor.

I’m sure that they are still finalizing the contract especially the profit split because that is the only why this fight is still not happening until now. Promoter knew the strategy on marketing and they can even wold the ticket with just a small time period because these two boxer is very famous individually. They can hype by there name itself without much publicity

They should make it happen this year, too much wait already, there's no need to hype this fight as definitely it will be a sellout crowd. What we like to know here is who is the better fighter, I'm sure it's a 50/50 fight, don't know who will be the favorite because they are almost equal in terms of skills in boxing.

[Vaculin]

>>>>>>>>>>> don't know who will be the favorite because they are almost equal in terms of skills in boxing.

https://www.oddscritic.com/sports-betting-news/crawford-vs-spence-odds-date-tv-details/

Crawford is now a slight betting favorite at -125 (bet $125 to win $100) while Crawford is available at +100 (bet $100 to win $110). The draw – always a possibility given boxing’s history of crazy scorecards and politics – is +1800.

I'm not sure if these odds are real, but since the fight is not official yet, then we cannot consider these odds as real ones.
However, this would give us a picture on what people think about this fight, if Crawford is the favorite, then be it, anyway it's just a slight favorite.

[Japinat]

There are too many rumors circulating but they were really vague as both camps and Showtime will try not to offend each other with the ongoing negotiations. So it's like we can only say that news is only reliable when it comes directly from Espinoza head of Showtime, Al Haymon of PBC, Ellerbe the manager of Spence, Spence himself, and Crawford himself. Stephen Espinoza of Showtime said this week that he is confident of a deal this month.

And if I'm not mistaken though, the news can only come out from the mouth of the reliable sources like you mentioned and they could include this in the contract itself. And if anyone break that, for sure the fight might got cancelled or if not, some monetary incentive of the parties that broke the agreement. And maybe this is the reason why it is so quiet that we don't hear anything from either of them because the negotiations are very secret that only a few people only knows what's going on behind. And all we hear are just noises and rumors.

Don't know if that is the really case but actually if they remain silent towards that rumored fight then maybe they cannot hype up that huge match knowing that boxing still a business and sold millions of dollars ticket sales, so maybe there's no deal has been discuss yet toward thus fight and those news is just purely a rumor.

I somehow disagree on this, Crawford-Spence fight doesn't need the hype to help them sell their fight because these two can create it whenever they wanted. Also, the hype was already there even though the fight is still classified as rumored but Crawford and Mayweather have been confirming that both camps are close to reaching a deal so frankly, there's some discussion up until now.

[Dave1]

>>>>>>>>>>> don't know who will be the favorite because they are almost equal in terms of skills in boxing.

https://www.oddscritic.com/sports-betting-news/crawford-vs-spence-odds-date-tv-details/

Crawford is now a slight betting favorite at -125 (bet $125 to win $100) while Crawford is available at +100 (bet $100 to win $110). The draw – always a possibility given boxing’s history of crazy scorecards and politics – is +1800.

I'm not sure if these odds are real, but since the fight is not official yet, then we cannot consider these odds as real ones.
However, this would give us a picture on what people think about this fight, if Crawford is the favorite, then be it, anyway it's just a slight favorite.

There will be no outstanding favorite in this fight for sure, but I will reckon that Crawford might be the slight favorite. Just like in the Magsayo fight wherein in the beginning it was Vargas and then Magsayo took the lead and in the end, Vargas shows why he is the favorite.

Anyhow, no noise, means the negotiations is not yet done, or they don't want to spill the news this early and create more hype for the fans. Although there is already hype around it, but we all know that boxing is a business for the networks and their managers so the wait is killing us all.

[bbc.reporter]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

[inthelongrun]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

Even before, Crawford already mentioned his willingness to accept the lower share. I forgot the exact number but he did talk in public about it. 45/55 I think. And there was also another option where the winner will take a certain percentage. I think it was fair. But obviously, it's Spence that really avoided Crawford over the years.

I disagree when some people mentioned that Crawford needs Spence because of his 3 belts compared to his 1 belt. Crawford even without fighting Spence has enough credits to enter the Hall of Fame. Spence's achievements are not enough to even get a nomination in the HoF. And if we talk about the money. Crawford was already receiving a minimum of $5 million per fight when Spence was just a hundred-thousand fighter. They're both rich and can move on from fighting each other. But if Spence cared about his career achievements, if he wants to enter the Hall of Fame then he needs Crawford for a chance to become undisputed. What more advantages does Spence want against Crawford? He was scared for many years when was approached by Crawford. Did Spence get a Crawfordphobia after that incident? Now he got a chance to fight an almost 1 year inactive and older version of Crawford.

Otherwise, Crawford can just activate a WBO mandatory status in super welterweight where Jermell Charlo holds all 4 belts and the Ring belt. A chance to become a 4 division world champion, a 3 time Ring/lineal champion, and the first to become a 2 division undisputed champion (4-belt era).

[btc_angela]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

Maybe pre-pandemic, we can say that it might be the biggest even topping the numbers of Floyd and Pacman. But with the recession and all the things that are happening right, it will be lucky if this fight will make 1.x M PPV in numbers. Yes, this is one of the biggest fight, maybe bigger than Canelo vs GGG, but the numbers will not do justice. Just sad that this fight is going to happen at this time wherein people doesn't have money and maybe just stay at home and look for free streaming, just saying.

[Yaunfitda]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

Even before, Crawford already mentioned his willingness to accept the lower share. I forgot the exact number but he did talk in public about it. 45/55 I think. And there was also another option where the winner will take a certain percentage. I think it was fair. But obviously, it's Spence that really avoided Crawford over the years.

I disagree when some people mentioned that Crawford needs Spence because of his 3 belts compared to his 1 belt. Crawford even without fighting Spence has enough credits to enter the Hall of Fame. Spence's achievements are not enough to even get a nomination in the HoF. And if we talk about the money. Crawford was already receiving a minimum of $5 million per fight when Spence was just a hundred-thousand fighter. They're both rich and can move on from fighting each other. But if Spence cared about his career achievements, if he wants to enter the Hall of Fame then he needs Crawford for a chance to become undisputed. What more advantages does Spence want against Crawford? He was scared for many years when was approached by Crawford. Did Spence get a Crawfordphobia after that incident? Now he got a chance to fight an almost 1 year inactive and older version of Crawford.

Otherwise, Crawford can just activate a WBO mandatory status in super welterweight where Jermell Charlo holds all 4 belts and the Ring belt. A chance to become a 4 division world champion, a 3 time Ring/lineal champion, and the first to become a 2 division undisputed champion (4-belt era).

I will tend to agree but this two needed each other in this era. I mean we have Pacman vs Floyd (although they fought late in their career), or other great champions in the past fighting each other not just for the belt but to become the best fighter in their generation.

So before moving to 154 lbs might be good legacy wise for Spence to beat Crawford or vice versa. This two need to dance and become the undisputed. As for who gets the more money, it seems that Spence has been arguing about it for years now maybe 60/40 or 55/45 in favor of him is not that bad.

[freedomgo]

Yes, there's a chance that this fight between Spence Jr. and Crawford could end into a draw but I think the chance is just slim because I'm also confident that only one of them will remain undefeated at the end of the day. Not sure though if it will be Spence Jr. or Crawford even if it will be a full 12-round fight, the judges will still give a call on who will be the hailed undefeated that night.

To be honest I don't see them gonna reach the last round and their victory will be decided by the judges scorecards because that would be no fun at all unless one of them dominated the other to win a unanimous decision. Since both fighters are capable of winning a knockout, the fans will gonna be crazy to cheer their favorite boxer once they clash inside the ring. I doubt Crawford will ever back down once he gauges Spence's punches because he can take it and when he does, either one of them will go down cause Spence will also unleash his power to the max.

I understand, you're also entitled to your opinion at all and we are just talking some speculations that will likely happen if this match will materialize soon enough which I bet it will. If we are talking about chances, a draw or decision will be nearest speculation to this fight and we are not new to this as Canelo and GGG had the same outcome even if Canelo had an impressive KO ratio.
Aside from that, I can't honestly tell who have the higher hand on this fight because they are both exceptional and have their own set of skills.

[Baofeng]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

I'm not sure about this, Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.6M buys, that is hard to crack. Although that Mike Tyson vs RJJ did a decent numbers in the pandemic reaching around 1.65M.

So I'm guessing maybe around that numbers or maybe it will be as high as 2.0M but nowhere close to even Conor vs Floyd or Floyd vs Oscar Dela Hoya.

[Questat]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

I'm not sure about this, Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.6M buys, that is hard to crack. Although that Mike Tyson vs RJJ did a decent numbers in the pandemic reaching around 1.65M.

So I'm guessing maybe around that numbers or maybe it will be as high as 2.0M but nowhere close to even Conor vs Floyd or Floyd vs Oscar Dela Hoya.

Mayweather is a PPV king, period.

The reason why he is the richest boxer in the history of boxing if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think the current era of boxers would defeat him. His era is full of exciting fighters, they have Pacman of course, now, boxers doding each other just to remain undefeated.

[Yamifoud]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

I'm not sure about this, Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.6M buys, that is hard to crack. Although that Mike Tyson vs RJJ did a decent numbers in the pandemic reaching around 1.65M.

So I'm guessing maybe around that numbers or maybe it will be as high as 2.0M but nowhere close to even Conor vs Floyd or Floyd vs Oscar Dela Hoya.

Mayweather is a PPV king, period.

The reason why he is the richest boxer in the history of boxing if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think the current era of boxers would defeat him. His era is full of exciting fighters, they have Pacman of course, now, boxers doding each other just to remain undefeated.

Yes, Mayweather dominates in the PPV competition as we can see here; https://www.planetsport.com/boxing/features/floyd-mayweather-mike-tyson-conor-mcgregor-top-10-ppvs-of-all-time

I hope these champions will be inspired and convinced themselves that the only way they can get huge PPV buys is when they will give the audience a big fight, such as this fight.

[Jating]

I believe PPV sharing is probably the main reason why they haven't come up with a deal yet. Spence's previous PPV buys are a little better than Crawford's. Spence also has more belts to offer in the division but Crawford is the only ATG of the two.   

There's no other reasons, Crawford here has to agree with a small share because Spence will not agree with a 50/50 share.
he has more belts and he has a better PPV record in the past compared to Crawford.

We get it, Crawford is also a champion but Spence have proven enough based on the numbers he have.

However, Spence versus Crawford might be the biggest payperview revenue in the history of boxing. It might be more than the payperview numbers of Mayweather versus Pacman. It would be very stupid for Terence Crawford's team to not demand a share equal to Spence's share.

I'm not sure about this, Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.6M buys, that is hard to crack. Although that Mike Tyson vs RJJ did a decent numbers in the pandemic reaching around 1.65M.

So I'm guessing maybe around that numbers or maybe it will be as high as 2.0M but nowhere close to even Conor vs Floyd or Floyd vs Oscar Dela Hoya.

Mayweather is a PPV king, period.

The reason why he is the richest boxer in the history of boxing if I'm not mistaken, and I don't think the current era of boxers would defeat him. His era is full of exciting fighters, they have Pacman of course, now, boxers doding each other just to remain undefeated.

I think we cant' deny it, the numbers already speak for itself. And yes, I don't think that Crawford and Spence fight will break the record. Sure they have fans but I don't think they have the charisma of a Manny Pacquiao and then the arrogance and brandish attitude of Floyd that people wanting to buy tickets or watch his fight because they want to see him lose. Not going to happen because he remains undefeated when he retired in pro boxing.

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

[Distinctin]

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

[btc_angela]

Maybe this fight will break in the top 10 but not going to be in the top 5.

Possibly, so what are they waiting for, they should make an official announcement already so people will start buying tickets for the probable biggest fight of the year. Crawford vs Spence, this is the fight that we have been waiting for, and I can't accept if it will not be realized this year.

But maybe they are just ironing things up that's why they can't make it public yet? And we have seen Floyd's face entering the picture as well because he knows this is a big fight so maybe he is pitching something so that he can be included in the money? The exciting is killing us, and yes, we want positive news and hopefully this all boxing politics or who is getting the most of the purse and split should have been finalized or at least negotiated already.