[Boxing] Crawford vs Spence

[Russlenat]

Just be positive, they are just delaying the announcement a bit so they can keep the hype going on as it's necessary for them to sell the tickets for a bigger revenue. This fight is going to be the biggest fight this year as it will finally tell us who is the better between the two, but if they can put a rematch cause, that would make the rivalry more intereting, as who knows, we might see a Trilogy.

Trilogy only happen when both of the boxers not want to move their division and it's really a close fight, if it's one sided either Knock Out and Unanimous Decision, many fans wouldn't want to see the rematch since they're disappointed to see his past fight.

But this fight are getting longer to be scheduled, it seems both of them are afraid to lost their belts and want to keep their record like the currently they have.

Not really, because even if the first fight is a one sided fight, the loser could still ask for a rematch especially if it's on the contract which is called a "rematch clause". Good example is the Haney vs Kambosos fight, the first fight was a one sided fight and now they are still into a rematch.

[Smartprofit]

Yeah, so far it's very hard to really see where this is going. On the other hand, others are very excited, including myself to hear at least a very encouraging news from the head of showtime boxing.

On the other hand, if the fight is at a standstill and no one is willing to give an inch as far as money is concern, then this might never happen. Not sure what will be the best option for Crawford at this point since PBC has the most number of 147 lbs.

In order for this fight to take place, third-party investments (sponsorship) are needed. 

Premier Boxing Champions are ready to organize this fight.  At the same time, they guarantee that everything will be organized at the highest level. 

However, they do not have a business model that guarantees profit and return on investment.  This is due to massive copyright infringement and the organization of illegal broadcasts of boxing matches.  So sponsorship is needed.  Otherwise, this fight may not take place. 

At the same time, we are all looking forward to it and hope that it will still take place!

[Maslate]

Yeah, so far it's very hard to really see where this is going. On the other hand, others are very excited, including myself to hear at least a very encouraging news from the head of showtime boxing.

On the other hand, if the fight is at a standstill and no one is willing to give an inch as far as money is concern, then this might never happen. Not sure what will be the best option for Crawford at this point since PBC has the most number of 147 lbs.

In order for this fight to take place, third-party investments (sponsorship) are needed. 

Premier Boxing Champions are ready to organize this fight.  At the same time, they guarantee that everything will be organized at the highest level. 

However, they do not have a business model that guarantees profit and return on investment.  This is due to massive copyright infringement and the organization of illegal broadcasts of boxing matches.  So sponsorship is needed.  Otherwise, this fight may not take place. 

At the same time, we are all looking forward to it and hope that it will still take place!

Every promoter will try their way to win the promotion as it will guarantee them a profit. It's a big fight, it could sell a millions of dollars in gate entrance and PPV, so I don't think a 3rd party would be a problem. Spence and Crawford needs to agree with the sharing and this will be realize easily.

[Baofeng]

At least there is some optimism coming from Stephen Espinoza, The head of Showtime Boxing

“I think in most negotiations that go on for a while, they have a lifespan of ups and downs. I don’t think it’s dead or close to dead. I think there are points where things are moving more quickly, points where things are sort of stuck at an impasse. And we’re a little bit stuck, but I don’t think anyone is ready to throw in the towel, least of all the two fighters.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/showtime-head-optimistic-about-spence-crawford-i-think-anyone-ready-throw-towel--167980

And as what we have been discussing for the past couple of days, maybe there were points that already been agree, like the purse split, Spence getting the big share as he is the A side on this fight because of his PPV numbers in his recent fight, or maybe the venue has been agreed upon.

So let's still remain positive that time fight or at least the negotiations are still alive as per Showtime and they are working to have this fight made.

This is bad news. They just said earlier that a deal is already very close. So the latest update of Showtime's Stephen Espinoza means the negotiations hit a stumbling block. So the fight is definitely not happening in August, October, and then November and I believe not even this year. It seems that Spence and even PBC and Showtime are stalling this in order to buy more time. So one year of inactivity and a 35-year-old Crawford is not enough for Spence to grow some balls? Fuck this, If I were Crawford I will start seeking the next best options and move on, he already mentioned it many years before that Spence will never fight him and so far it is true.

I also have a feeling that it might not happen this year specially that we have heard about the October date or at least this is what they want to give us or something is really going on and negotiations is still moving.

But with his recent statements, really hard to believed who is saying the truth.

And I speculate that if the fight is not going to push, this 2022, Spence will move to 154 lbs, and that will be a bitch move from him.

[AbuBhakar]

Yeah, so far it's very hard to really see where this is going. On the other hand, others are very excited, including myself to hear at least a very encouraging news from the head of showtime boxing.

On the other hand, if the fight is at a standstill and no one is willing to give an inch as far as money is concern, then this might never happen. Not sure what will be the best option for Crawford at this point since PBC has the most number of 147 lbs.

In order for this fight to take place, third-party investments (sponsorship) are needed. 

Premier Boxing Champions are ready to organize this fight.  At the same time, they guarantee that everything will be organized at the highest level. 

However, they do not have a business model that guarantees profit and return on investment.  This is due to massive copyright infringement and the organization of illegal broadcasts of boxing matches.  So sponsorship is needed.  Otherwise, this fight may not take place. 

At the same time, we are all looking forward to it and hope that it will still take place!

Every promoter will try their way to win the promotion as it will guarantee them a profit. It's a big fight, it could sell a millions of dollars in gate entrance and PPV, so I don't think a 3rd party would be a problem. Spence and Crawford needs to agree with the sharing and this will be realize easily.

Agreed, Sponsorship with this kind of super match is not a problem at because this 2 boxers has there own personal sponsor and also I’m sure many major sponsor is already lining up just to get a place on this match because this will surely be a sold out. We are talking the ultimate fight of 2 boxers that dominate and own there division without a single lose. They don’t need to make some effort to sell themselves just to get sponsor. The sharing is what keeps delaying on this fight.

[inthelongrun]

And I speculate that if the fight is not going to push, this 2022, Spence will move to 154 lbs, and that will be a bitch move from him.

Well, if I'm Spence and I'm not fighting Crawford next, I'll probably take Thurman or a tune-up in 154 to get a rank.

Thurman is not the same fighter anymore since becoming inactive. And this is still a mega fight that is very winnable for Spence. After this, Spence will need to move up to 154 or he will face mandatories against very dangerous young up comers especially the undefeated Vergil Ortiz and Boots Ennis.   

Spence is already 32 years old and he is only a 1 division champion, although a 3-belt unified champion, he is not the lineal and Ring champion. If he cares about entering the Hall of Fame, he needs at least 3 divisions, or maybe 2 is enough if he becomes undisputed, or at least he gets a Ring belt. News is that 154 undisputed champion Jermell Charlo a very close friend of Spence will move up to 160 after his mandatory fight with Tim Tszyu. But unlike WBO champions that are privileged to have rights to become mandatories in other divisions WBO champions, Spence will need to fight to get a rank at 154 and get qualified to fight the soon vacant belts unless they can do an under-the-table negotiation.

[Pamadar]

Yeah, so far it's very hard to really see where this is going. On the other hand, others are very excited, including myself to hear at least a very encouraging news from the head of showtime boxing.

On the other hand, if the fight is at a standstill and no one is willing to give an inch as far as money is concern, then this might never happen. Not sure what will be the best option for Crawford at this point since PBC has the most number of 147 lbs.

One of them needs to adjust to finalize the contract and for the fans to witness who's the best from this division.

Crawford, though, is the one that being pointed for certain adjustment since Spence seems to keep avoiding him, if he's willing
to push the fight adjusting with the pay-cut is the best thing that he can do to push Spence and his camp to sign the contract
for them both to start their real trainings.

[Ziskinberg]

Yeah, so far it's very hard to really see where this is going. On the other hand, others are very excited, including myself to hear at least a very encouraging news from the head of showtime boxing.

On the other hand, if the fight is at a standstill and no one is willing to give an inch as far as money is concern, then this might never happen. Not sure what will be the best option for Crawford at this point since PBC has the most number of 147 lbs.

One of them needs to adjust to finalize the contract and for the fans to witness who's the best from this division.

Crawford, though, is the one that being pointed for certain adjustment since Spence seems to keep avoiding him, if he's willing
to push the fight adjusting with the pay-cut is the best thing that he can do to push Spence and his camp to sign the contract
for them both to start their real trainings.

He should, otherwise, he won't be able to prove to the world that he is better than Spence. Spence has more belts than him, so eventually based on the record, Spence will be ranked better than him, it's not actually a pay cut, because he cannot demand 50/50 sharing in this fight, his share should be lower.

[Viscore]

Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.

Little hype? I don't think so, I believe the moment they will officially announce this fight, those tickets will be sold out easily. This is an anticipated fight, so I believe everyone will be eager to pay and watch this through PPV.

The fight is already close and become a done deal almost, hopefully it will take place somewhere in november. You maybe feeling a little hyped but those who were avid supporters of these two legends will definitely be running in a line just to avail the tickets once out in the market. Just wait until this news spread out and definitely, it will become one of the hot topics.

[Natalim]

Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.

Little hype? I don't think so, I believe the moment they will officially announce this fight, those tickets will be sold out easily. This is an anticipated fight, so I believe everyone will be eager to pay and watch this through PPV.

The fight is already close and become a done deal almost, hopefully it will take place somewhere in november. You maybe feeling a little hyped but those who were avid supporters of these two legends will definitely be running in a line just to avail the tickets once out in the market. Just wait until this news spread out and definitely, it will become one of the hot topics.

Close but no official announcement yet, I think we have to be realistic if we don't want to get disappointed. Of course, the fans will watch this fight, but at the end of the day if one of the two will not sign the contract because his demand is not meet, it will still not happen.

[robelneo]

Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.

Little hype? I don't think so, I believe the moment they will officially announce this fight, those tickets will be sold out easily. This is an anticipated fight, so I believe everyone will be eager to pay and watch this through PPV.

The fight is already close and become a done deal almost, hopefully it will take place somewhere in november. You maybe feeling a little hyped but those who were avid supporters of these two legends will definitely be running in a line just to avail the tickets once out in the market. Just wait until this news spread out and definitely, it will become one of the hot topics.

Close but no official announcement yet, I think we have to be realistic if we don't want to get disappointed. Of course, the fans will watch this fight, but at the end of the day if one of the two will not sign the contract because his demand is not meet, it will still not happen.

Until the contract is signed all talks are just speculation and hearsay, both camps are either trying to excite the boxing community or one of them is not really interested, they don't have to attract the audience this is going to be excited because the build-up leading to this fight and their record speaks for themselves, this is the making of a fight of the year, the boxing community has done their part asking both fighters to make a go, the ball is in their hands now, and whoever causes the delay will get bad feedbacks from the boxing fans.

[Yamifoud]

Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.

Little hype? I don't think so, I believe the moment they will officially announce this fight, those tickets will be sold out easily. This is an anticipated fight, so I believe everyone will be eager to pay and watch this through PPV.

The fight is already close and become a done deal almost, hopefully it will take place somewhere in november. You maybe feeling a little hyped but those who were avid supporters of these two legends will definitely be running in a line just to avail the tickets once out in the market. Just wait until this news spread out and definitely, it will become one of the hot topics.

Close but no official announcement yet, I think we have to be realistic if we don't want to get disappointed. Of course, the fans will watch this fight, but at the end of the day if one of the two will not sign the contract because his demand is not meet, it will still not happen.

Until the contract is signed all talks are just speculation and hearsay, both camps are either trying to excite the boxing community or one of them is not really interested, they don't have to attract the audience this is going to be excited because the build-up leading to this fight and their record speaks for themselves, this is the making of a fight of the year, the boxing community has done their part asking both fighters to make a go, the ball is in their hands now, and whoever causes the delay will get bad feedbacks from the boxing fans.

We will never know who cause the delay as they will blamed each other if this fight will not push through. If one is greedy, it will never happen because this is a big fight, their biggest fight and they want to get a big paycheck from this fight. Look, they are staking their belt, of course, one will make sure he will get the best amount of money because the loser here might not have the opportunity to fight the champion again.

[Japinat]

Yeah, so far it's very hard to really see where this is going. On the other hand, others are very excited, including myself to hear at least a very encouraging news from the head of showtime boxing.

On the other hand, if the fight is at a standstill and no one is willing to give an inch as far as money is concern, then this might never happen. Not sure what will be the best option for Crawford at this point since PBC has the most number of 147 lbs.

In order for this fight to take place, third-party investments (sponsorship) are needed. 

Premier Boxing Champions are ready to organize this fight.  At the same time, they guarantee that everything will be organized at the highest level. 

However, they do not have a business model that guarantees profit and return on investment.  This is due to massive copyright infringement and the organization of illegal broadcasts of boxing matches.  So sponsorship is needed.  Otherwise, this fight may not take place. 

At the same time, we are all looking forward to it and hope that it will still take place!

Every promoter will try their way to win the promotion as it will guarantee them a profit. It's a big fight, it could sell a millions of dollars in gate entrance and PPV, so I don't think a 3rd party would be a problem. Spence and Crawford needs to agree with the sharing and this will be realize easily.

I get what you are saying but I don't think that sponsorship is their main struggle to make the fight happen nor why it takes too long for them to strike a deal because Crawford is working alongside Mayweather who has his own promotions and Spence has PBC too.

As far as the sharing of purses is concerned, the best guess is that Crawford understands that he has no power to demand the greater cut because he ain't have the most food on the table. My opinion about this matter is that Spence is really taking his time to drag the fight more, he wanted this to happen but he thinks that it is yet not the right time.

[mirakal]

Well, it seems to me that the fight will take place anyway, maybe it's just an attempt to create an intrigue to attract audience interest, nothing more, but why is there so little hype around, maybe Showtime is not showing proper interest here.

Little hype? I don't think so, I believe the moment they will officially announce this fight, those tickets will be sold out easily. This is an anticipated fight, so I believe everyone will be eager to pay and watch this through PPV.

The fight is already close and become a done deal almost, hopefully it will take place somewhere in november. You maybe feeling a little hyped but those who were avid supporters of these two legends will definitely be running in a line just to avail the tickets once out in the market. Just wait until this news spread out and definitely, it will become one of the hot topics.

Close but no official announcement yet, I think we have to be realistic if we don't want to get disappointed. Of course, the fans will watch this fight, but at the end of the day if one of the two will not sign the contract because his demand is not meet, it will still not happen.

I don't think that both of them is nearing to have the deal close to make the fight happen this year because Crawford recently revealed to an interview that they still haven't carve anything on a stone yet, which means that both camps are still discussing on the Phase 1 until now.

I surely hope that both of them will share a ring this year because this fight has been expected by almost everyone who is a fan of boxing around the globe and a bad news that it didn't materialized will really put a bad image to them especially now that people are waiting for some updates.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I agree with that, it's not a problem to sell this fight, the big problem is if these two will agree on the sharing of the revenue and purse. If one will demand a 50/50 share while the other boxer will not agree because he wants more, then this fight will just remain a speculation.

That 50/50 is never gonna happen as Spence would never accept that, the final call now is from Crawford, if he will agree to lower his share then most likely this fight will be realized. We have been anticipating this fight, it's a big disappointment if it will not happen this year after all the hype that is happening.

Crawford will accept a lower share and it's nothing new. It's on Spence if he really wants to force that ridiculous 60/40 or even 70/30. I say 55/45 in favor of Spence should be fair enough. It's not like Spence is a huge PPV draw either so his previous demands were unreasonable. The event will most likely draw 500k to 1 million PPV buys. It's like Spence 250k and Crawford 150k and the huge chunk of the draw is because they are fighting each other.   

The latest in the grapevine is this will happen in November this year. So from early this year, then to October and now November. Does it look like Spence is still not confident to face his fears? So he is continuing to buy some time to make Crawford older and more inactive. Years of ducking and avoiding the boogeyman.

Even a 55/45 share won't get Spence interested to make the fight happen, I bet a 60/40 will be the nearest speculation we had so far we discussed here because Spence has said that he will only agree if he will get the bigger slice.

Honestly, this fight is not about the money anymore because the money that they will get is just a by-product of this fight. Both camps are now trying to talk about making their legacy to become an undisputed fighter in the Welterweight and Spence or Crawford will be the 7th boxer who will be going to attain the status next to Canelo Alvarez.

I totally see Spence trying to play the book where he is indeed trying to get some time because Crawford will get older day by day and will be a year inactive in the coming months while Spence will gain the advantage side.

In this order of ideas, I think that Spence will take advantage of the fact of being younger than Crawford, he will be able to get some kind of advantage, but I don't know, on the one hand there is youth, and on the other there is experience, as much as I feel that Crawford he has the skill of a fox when hunting, and he knows very well how he can fight Spence, I think the most intelligent and cunning will win this, because physically I see them both very well, I don't know who has more training, Crawford certainly doesn't take Spence's youth into account because I'm sure he'll advocate for his experience and strategy, which he'll have ready by now.

Both Spence Jr. and Crawford has the skill and ability to school one another but if the fight were to happen this year, for sure, I will put my bet on Crawford because he has more capabilities in his sleeve and probably more IQ and experience in the ring than Spence Jr.

But if this fight will happen next year then I have to re-assess and reconsider my options here because a month that will pass will bring more disadvantage to Crawford as he will be inactive this coming November and he's getting any older too. While Spence Jr. will still be fresh from his fight against Ugas recently and still standing at the peak of his youth and prime.

Do you think this fight will happen next year? I have the hope that it would happen this year, for the other year it would also be good, but I think that the emotions and what the fans expect is for this same year and not take so long, the promoters know very well that they can put on a good show and taking into account that the business model is very good, we could talk about a lot of money and this is perhaps a plus so that they can give a better scenario, I do not know how much ESPN, Fox or the prestigious networks that can broadcast it can offer, but yes the boom is now, why not do it? I'm very curious who wins that fight.

I don't think that both of them is nearing to have the deal close to make the fight happen this year because Crawford recently revealed to an interview that they still haven't carve anything on a stone yet, which means that both camps are still discussing on the Phase 1 until now.

I surely hope that both of them will share a ring this year because this fight has been expected by almost everyone who is a fan of boxing around the globe and a bad news that it didn't materialized will really put a bad image to them especially now that people are waiting for some updates.

I think that Crawford just wants to do things formally and that this fight becomes a good deal for him, in a nutshell money, where he was a little more dedicated to what the sport is about, or at least had the need to show what that it is because of some bad moment that was past, as has happened to many boxers who need fights to be able to enter the business with everything, I think I would organize that fight whatever, of course what I say is mere speculation, maybe I I'm wrong, but wherever I wanted, I'm sure they would move heaven and earth to make it happen.

[Natalim]

As far as the sharing of purses is concerned, the best guess is that Crawford understands that he has no power to demand the greater cut because he ain't have the most food on the table. My opinion about this matter is that Spence is really taking his time to drag the fight more, he wanted this to happen but he thinks that it is yet not the right time.

Yes, of course, he has no power to demand a high cut or even an even cut because Spence is still a better PPV attraction than him and has more achievements in terms of the belts they are currently holding. Crawford should accept the terms of Spence as long as it's reasonable to make this fight happen.

[Jawhead999]

Yes, of course, he has no power to demand a high cut or even an even cut because Spence is still a better PPV attraction than him and has more achievements in terms of the belts they are currently holding. Crawford should accept the terms of Spence as long as it's reasonable to make this fight happen.

I'm not sure if Crawford doesn't have any power to demand more money, actually I'd think Spence is asking big money because he is the one who doesn't want to fight Crawford, instead he's asking big share, so he make Crawford to think fight with him isn't profitable.

Crawford have better statistic on pound for pound rank [1] and greater point too than Spence [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_pound_for_pound_rankings
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welterweight

[Pamadar]

As far as the sharing of purses is concerned, the best guess is that Crawford understands that he has no power to demand the greater cut because he ain't have the most food on the table. My opinion about this matter is that Spence is really taking his time to drag the fight more, he wanted this to happen but he thinks that it is yet not the right time.

Yes, of course, he has no power to demand a high cut or even an even cut because Spence is still a better PPV attraction than him and has more achievements in terms of the belts they are currently holding. Crawford should accept the terms of Spence as long as it's reasonable to make this fight happen.

And beside he really wanted to make this to happen and Spence will make it sure that he will take the big slice

from the potential profits coming from PPV, Crawford should agree and make things to happen. It's been a long waited fight between
these two champs. It's good to see them both inside the same ring and throwing solid punches at one another. It's a desire inside
them to impress the fans and make sure that the worth of their stake is something that will inspire them to win.

[btc_angela]

As far as the sharing of purses is concerned, the best guess is that Crawford understands that he has no power to demand the greater cut because he ain't have the most food on the table. My opinion about this matter is that Spence is really taking his time to drag the fight more, he wanted this to happen but he thinks that it is yet not the right time.

Yes, of course, he has no power to demand a high cut or even an even cut because Spence is still a better PPV attraction than him and has more achievements in terms of the belts they are currently holding. Crawford should accept the terms of Spence as long as it's reasonable to make this fight happen.

And beside he really wanted to make this to happen and Spence will make it sure that he will take the big slice

from the potential profits coming from PPV, Crawford should agree and make things to happen. It's been a long waited fight between
these two champs. It's good to see them both inside the same ring and throwing solid punches at one another. It's a desire inside
them to impress the fans and make sure that the worth of their stake is something that will inspire them to win.

Yes, it seems that Crawford is stalling the fight? Or the other way other?

Spence will have the largest slice of the pie so I don't know what keeps him or PBC from not pushing this fight. Are they still looking for more profits? Or the guarantee price is not enough? And both of them have been showing intention to fight many years ago and now that they are negotiating, it seems that there are a lot of issues. And we have heard the date of October, but to be honest, this date might not be satisfied.

[inthelongrun]

Yes, it seems that Crawford is stalling the fight? Or the other way other?

It is so difficult to blame Crawford for stalling this fight. I'll try to remember all the stuff since the boogeyman entered the welterweight division. It's always Crawford doing the challenging.  

1. When Crawford was then the undisputed champion at super-lightweight he said he will move up and will take Spence's IBF welterweight belt. Spence told Crawford to get a belt at welterweight first.  

2. Crawford arrived in the welterweight division and became champion. He and Bob Arum were already talking openly that they wanted Spence. Did you guys heard any tweets or interviews on Spence or even with his handler PBC challenging Crawford?

3. There was a certain event wherein Crawford personally approached Spence. Who's challenging for a fight? Who's challenging for a million-dollar beat? Spence mentioned names to fight like Mikey Garcia, Porter, and Thurman. And I love how Crawford tells him he missed mentioning his name. It's clear as day that Crawford was too confident, he was laughing and was always staring at Spence. Spence on the other hand seemed uncomfortable and was like faking his smile. Spence seemed scared and was like hoping to get out of the situation.

4. Crawford and Bob Arum were trying to negotiate and were very open in the public about it. Later Bob Arum was mad because there was no response on their offers nor counter offers from PBC.

5. Spence was in the building during Crawford's last fight against Porter. People were expecting him to climb the ring after the fight and set a direct challenge to the winner. Spence already beat Porter but in a controversial split decision. On the other hand, the boogeyman demolished Porter for the first time and sent him into retirement. Spence immediately left the building after the fight was stopped and was booed by the fans. Spence probably expected Porter to win or at least made the fight close, but there is no escaping once the boogeyman starts to figure out its opponent. So basically it really seems that Spence is avoiding and is scared to even face or talk or look Bud in the eye.

6. Crawford is inactive for nearly a year already. Because PBC, Showtime, and probably including Mayweather saying it's about time to make the Spence fight.

7. Crawford is turning 35 this October.

Kell Brook and Shaw Porter were the common opponents both stars already faced. Spence struggled against both fighters while Crawford dismantled them.