UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season

[rahmad2nd]

For me, the superiority of PSG over Bayern is not so obvious, especially since Galtier is not a very experienced coach for such a tournament, Bayern is my favorite in this pair. Liverpool can lose, it can win, I still don’t understand what to expect from them, but Real also lost the last game in La Liga, it’s difficult for any team to win all the time.

For me, both have their advantages and disadvantages. although Galtier does not have enough flying hours in the champions league, but so far, Galtier is able to bring PSG without defeat in all competitions. PSG, are the only team yet to get a defeat.  although in time, they will slip to get their first defeat.

I like PSG, also Bayern Munich.
these two teams, always play a different style of play but it's very interesting for us to watch. Bayern Munich has cohesiveness, collectivity, teamwork, especially a genius coach. however, they do not have a pure striker, which may be a problem for them in the crucial match against SPG.

PSG, have strikers who are dangerous if they are in the opponent's defense area. but not infrequently they loosen their defense line.
To be honest, I have a hard time predicting the outcome of the match. but for sure, who is the most consistent, they will win the battle.

as for Liverpool, if we refer to their performance. it is clear that Real Madrid has a higher chance, moreover Madrid is one of the strong challengers in this championship. however, that does not mean Klopp's troops will be easily conquered.

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[lizarder]

Nobody is denying them their victory but just because they were champions last season doesn't make them a likely champions this season (especially as they don't have the goat at his prime, playing for them). The season they won the trophy they did humiliated the premier league side but that doesn't mean they were better than them with their on field play, they were just smarter and got the vital goals they needed. A Manchester city side would destroy this Real Madrid team anyday and so will an informed Liverpool side but when it comes to the final game Real Madrid always has an edge due to the experiment they have from playing multiple finals.

There is no certainty that Real Madrid will appear easy against Liverpool, draws, defeats and one win in Real Madrid's last three matches are the basis that Liverpool can still do something surprising for Real Madrid.
Real Madrid are inconsistency in the league, this should be an opportunity for Liverpool to take advantage of these conditions, because if they don't punish Real Madrid in the first leg, then chances in the second leg will be very difficult for Liverpool.

All I'm trying to say is that, you shouldn't disrespect the premier league side just because they lost to a lucky Real Madrid. The bookmarkers aren't dumb, they also want to make money and from their assessment of both clubs they have given Liverpool an edge because they see the quality in the team. It doesn't matter how many trophy Real Madrid wins, they're never the favorite and will never be. They only win when the other clubs don't live up to expectations.

In this I am a little different from my point of view, Real Madrid are still very ahead in the Champions League this season, because their abilities are still the same as the previous season, Vinicius Junior, Rodrygo, Luka Modric and Karim Benzema are growing and I think Bayern Munich, Manchester City and Chelsea also fall into this category.
As you said, all clubs will come out victorious, if other clubs do not meet the standard of expectation as winners.

[joker_josue]

For me, the superiority of PSG over Bayern is not so obvious, especially since Galtier is not a very experienced coach for such a tournament, Bayern is my favorite in this pair. Liverpool can lose, it can win, I still don’t understand what to expect from them, but Real also lost the last game in La Liga, it’s difficult for any team to win all the time.

This game is going to be an early final. And in my opinion, today's PSG loses to Bayern.
If the mentality in general doesn't change at PSG they will lose. PSG's problem is that they play with an attitude that they think is superior to others, and then they are taken aback.

[Silence Scream]

Nunez must immediately adapt to Liverpool's pattern of play and bring Liverpool to the semifinals as possible, otherwise, he will be labeled a flop.

It would be very funny if only one of the players was labeled a failure because of not being able to adapt quickly to the Liverpool team. Please note that the team is a collection of players as well as coaches and other high-ranking parties who all have the duty and responsibility to bring the team to a better and right direction. So there's no reason to blame just one player if the team goes downhill and doesn't get the performance that many fans want.

Of course it is.  Football is a team game and 11 players on the field are as responsible as the technical team for unsuccessful results.  It is not right to attribute this to only one football player.  If there is a compatibility problem between the players, it is the responsibility of the technical team to detect it.  Things can get better again at Liverpool if the coaching team shows enough interest.  By the way, despite this poor performance, they still have a great chance in the Real Madrid match.  Liverpool is a very strong team.

[KTChampions]

Arguments about dominance, comebacks, the beauty of football, etc. it's just storytelling. I think you know how the winner is determined in football? We need to score more goals than the opponent and concede fewer. Real Madrid did it against the top 3 teams in the Premier League = it was stronger than them. If it was figure skating or synchronized swimming, maybe someone would have scored more points than Real (and won), but it was football, so Real became the champion.

Nobody is denying them their victory but just because they were champions last season doesn't make them a likely champions this season (especially as they don't have the goat at his prime, playing for them). The season they won the trophy they did humiliated the premier league side but that doesn't mean they were better than them with their on field play, they were just smarter and got the vital goals they needed.

= Real was stronger.
If some team from the top 3 of the Premier League were stronger in terms of a combination of factors, then it would have won, but Real won. The fact that you pay attention to one factor, but ignore others, and most importantly, you ignore their totality - the result, does not change anything.

A Manchester city side would destroy this Real Madrid team anyday and so will an informed Liverpool side but when it comes to the final game Real Madrid always has an edge due to the experiment they have from playing multiple finals.

Let me guess, Real Madrid have been in the finals so many times (and won there) also because of "luck"?

All I'm trying to say is that, you shouldn't disrespect the premier league side just because they lost to a lucky Real Madrid. The bookmarkers aren't dumb, they also want to make money and from their assessment of both clubs they have given Liverpool an edge because they see the quality in the team. It doesn't matter how many trophy Real Madrid wins, they're never the favorite and will never be. They only win when the other clubs don't live up to expectations.

There is nothing disrespectful in looking at the facts objectively: last season, Real Madrid outperformed the top 3 in the Premier League.
I'm rooting for United, Liverpool and Chelsea (and against City) if it's not against Real Madrid (the only difficult pairing to pick is United vs Real Madrid), but that's no reason to come up with excuses and storytelling.

[tiCeR]

When I saw the results of Round 16's many stunning decisions, I grinned. It will be difficult for the qualifiers. Liverpool might not be in good shape this season, but they shouldn't be underrated. Napoli vs. Frankfurt with Napoli current performance should beat Frankfurt watching their performance in serial A and the other two matches that will be an entertaining are Dortmund vs. Chelsea and PSG playing Bayern. Let's see what each of these teams can do. Man City is playing against Leipzig is a starting bonus for Man City.

Liverpool just an equal opponent to the real madrid. Napoli could win against frankfurt easily without any doubt. The performance from napoli is really good at this moment. All of its players fully balanced in their positions. Even napoli was coming from serie a but it was a perfect team in serie a for now. Frankfurt may go out from the champion league against napoli. I take napoli for that match. I don't expect a lot from dortmund against chelsea. The performance from chelsea was really really bad at this moment in EPL.
It was always facing lose and this might become the end for chelsea in the champion league. The latest result from EPL that makes me doubt about performance of chelsea during champion league against dortmund.
PSG against bayern would become a very interesting thing for sure. Messi and friends must have faced the team that became the toughest team when messi was in barcelona. The chance to win the match against bayern is pretty small.

I would by no means underestimate Frankfurt such as they will be beaten easily by Napoli. I think it is obvious at this point who does have a slight advantage in this match, but still they have shown in international games that they can be very hard to beat. I doubt that this will be an easy dance for Napoli particularly in the away game when Frankfurt has its fans who haven't been able to support their own team in the UEFA Champions League ever before. We have all seen the pictures what those fans are able to pull off. They are among the most supportive fans out there. That can set free quite some strength within the team.

[Jackl87]

PSG and Bayern Munich is another big clash in this round. They met each other in the Champions League final two seasons ago and PSG lost that final. Now, Bayern Munich have somewhat worse player squad and worse form but it does not mean they will be an easy opponent for PSG to beat in an aggregated result.

I don't really agree that Bayern Munich has a weaker squad now then back in 2020. I even would say that Bayern has the strongest squad since at least 5 years now or so at the moment. De Ligt and Sadio Mane were absolutely top transfers before this season and they definitely helped Bayern to become even better in terms of performance density of their squad. Also Bayern now has Jamal Musiala in their squad which is probably the most promising young talent in the world of football at the moment.
That being said, PSG also has a great squad of course and for me the outcome of this matchup is totally open, 50/50.

[ampere]

It would be very funny if only one of the players was labeled a failure because of not being able to adapt quickly to the Liverpool team. Please note that the team is a collection of players as well as coaches and other high-ranking parties who all have the duty and responsibility to bring the team to a better and right direction. So there's no reason to blame just one player if the team goes downhill and doesn't get the performance that many fans want.

All things being equal, i think Nunez is having a good debut in the english premier league at Liverpool; yes he is not firing on all cylinders but he has gotten good stats for a debut season in a new team and environment. Compared to Jesus, and other epl strikers, i think nunez is fine and yes he will improve more even after the worldcup

[bering]

When I saw the results of Round 16's many stunning decisions, I grinned. It will be difficult for the qualifiers. Liverpool might not be in good shape this season, but they shouldn't be underrated. Napoli vs. Frankfurt with Napoli current performance should beat Frankfurt watching their performance in serial A and the other two matches that will be an entertaining are Dortmund vs. Chelsea and PSG playing Bayern. Let's see what each of these teams can do. Man City is playing against Leipzig is a starting bonus for Man City.

About Napoli vs Frankfurt i think Frankfurt will be tough opponent for Napoli although from their recent matches Napoli was better but Frankfurt lately has showed impressive performance and this team since last season has never stopped to surprising me and as defending champion of Europa league i will counted Frankfurt as one of dark horses team with their potention to beat strong team and besides that they also has successfully sent Sporting to Europa league which is most people has thought Frankfurt will be eliminate but they can fliped people predictions and qualified so this time Napoli has get decent opponent who possibly can make them slipped

[Zlantann]

Before you can determine the effect of the new coach, previous coach work on the players may last a while and wear out. I am not confident that Graham Potter can coach a top team like Chelsea. The next round will be next year, and I do not think Chelsea will be at that level to win, maybe due to an injury or bad management. When an experienced coach manages the team well, the players are good enough to beat any team. Arsenal does not have any players who are better than Chelsea in any part of the field. Also, Ancheloti has proven he can make the best out of a team even when Madrid was unable to compete at the highest level last season.

When Zinedine Zidane was appointed as the coach of Real Madrid, his only coaching experience was with Real Madrid Castilla. He faced a lot of criticism and attacks from skeptics. Today Zidane is seen as one of the best coaches that brought glory to the club.

Graham Potter's record with Chelsea is not a bad one. The club's performance has been poor recently but He has also given the club some notable wins. When Tuchel departed, Chelsea's qualification for the next round of the Champions League was shaky, but Graham has accomplished the task of qualifying the team for the round of 16. I think he would achieve more feats if he is given more time and the needed support.  

In this I am a little different from my point of view, Real Madrid are still very ahead in the Champions League this season, because their abilities are still the same as the previous season, Vinicius Junior, Rodrygo, Luka Modric and Karim Benzema are growing and I think Bayern Munich, Manchester City and Chelsea also fall into this category.
As you said, all clubs will come out victorious, if other clubs do not meet the standard of expectation as winners.

Liverpool is not having a good season compared to last season. But I can comfortably state that although Real Madrid still has the same caliber of players they had last season, their performance has also reduced slightly, specifically because of the injury crisis of Karim Benzema. Their attack can never be the same without the attacking prowess of the world's best player.  

[fzkto]

When I saw the results of Round 16's many stunning decisions, I grinned. It will be difficult for the qualifiers. Liverpool might not be in good shape this season, but they shouldn't be underrated. Napoli vs. Frankfurt with Napoli current performance should beat Frankfurt watching their performance in serial A and the other two matches that will be an entertaining are Dortmund vs. Chelsea and PSG playing Bayern. Let's see what each of these teams can do. Man City is playing against Leipzig is a starting bonus for Man City.

About Napoli vs Frankfurt i think Frankfurt will be tough opponent for Napoli although from their recent matches Napoli was better but Frankfurt lately has showed impressive performance and this team since last season has never stopped to surprising me and as defending champion of Europa league i will counted Frankfurt as one of dark horses team with their potention to beat strong team and besides that they also has successfully sent Sporting to Europa league which is most people has thought Frankfurt will be eliminate but they can fliped people predictions and qualified so this time Napoli has get decent opponent who possibly can make them slipped

I don't think Frankfurt will be a serious obstacle for Napoli and just because Frankfurt beat Celtic doesn't mean they can beat Napoli. True, this game is still four months away and no one knows how things will go for both clubs. But I think Napoli are in contention to play in the final this season.

[kotwica666]

When I saw the results of Round 16's many stunning decisions, I grinned. It will be difficult for the qualifiers. Liverpool might not be in good shape this season, but they shouldn't be underrated. Napoli vs. Frankfurt with Napoli current performance should beat Frankfurt watching their performance in serial A and the other two matches that will be an entertaining are Dortmund vs. Chelsea and PSG playing Bayern. Let's see what each of these teams can do. Man City is playing against Leipzig is a starting bonus for Man City.

About Napoli vs Frankfurt i think Frankfurt will be tough opponent for Napoli although from their recent matches Napoli was better but Frankfurt lately has showed impressive performance and this team since last season has never stopped to surprising me and as defending champion of Europa league i will counted Frankfurt as one of dark horses team with their potention to beat strong team and besides that they also has successfully sent Sporting to Europa league which is most people has thought Frankfurt will be eliminate but they can fliped people predictions and qualified so this time Napoli has get decent opponent who possibly can make them slipped

I don't think Frankfurt will be a serious obstacle for Napoli and just because Frankfurt beat Celtic doesn't mean they can beat Napoli. True, this game is still four months away and no one knows how things will go for both clubs. But I think Napoli are in contention to play in the final this season.

I would definitely put Nepali ahead of Frankfurt. Nepali is undoubtedly a good team and they are getting better all the time. The coach of the team uses different tactics to help the Napoli players improve their team. But since this game will be delayed for some time I can say that Napoli will be stronger.

[DU18]

I don't think Frankfurt will be a serious obstacle for Napoli and just because Frankfurt beat Celtic doesn't mean they can beat Napoli. True, this game is still four months away and no one knows how things will go for both clubs. But I think Napoli are in contention to play in the final this season.

Both coaches still have a lot of time to prepare their respective teams before the match starts, but for now Napoli do have a better condition than Frankfurt, Napoli performance is currently having the upper hand so if we think about it of course Frankfurt is not a difficult opponent to be faced by Napoli, but I think at this time we also need to take into account the World Cup risk so there will likely be a lot of changes in the two squads later both Napoli and Frankfurt, which might send their players to defend their respective national teams.

[Coyster]

I don't think Frankfurt will be a serious obstacle for Napoli and just because Frankfurt beat Celtic doesn't mean they can beat Napoli. True, this game is still four months away and no one knows how things will go for both clubs. But I think Napoli are in contention to play in the final this season.

Well with the way Napoli are firing on all cylinders nobody can doubt the fact that they are a big threat in the CL this season, i for one would not want my team to meet them in any stage of the CL this season, i don't think they might get to the final, but if they do not have such a tough opponent in the QF, i think they will go as far as the SF and that could prolly be where their tournament will come to an end, as for their RO16 tie with Frankfurt, it is going to be a pretty straightforward victory for Napoli, except they capitulate so bad and lose quite a lot of form and momentum before the game, otherwise they are already sure of a QF spot.

[Minecache]

Arguments about dominance, comebacks, the beauty of football, etc. it's just storytelling. I think you know how the winner is determined in football? We need to score more goals than the opponent and concede fewer. Real Madrid did it against the top 3 teams in the Premier League = it was stronger than them. If it was figure skating or synchronized swimming, maybe someone would have scored more points than Real (and won), but it was football, so Real became the champion.

Nobody is denying them their victory but just because they were champions last season doesn't make them a likely champions this season (especially as they don't have the goat at his prime, playing for them). The season they won the trophy they did humiliated the premier league side but that doesn't mean they were better than them with their on field play, they were just smarter and got the vital goals they needed.

= Real was stronger.
If some team from the top 3 of the Premier League were stronger in terms of a combination of factors, then it would have won, but Real won. The fact that you pay attention to one factor, but ignore others, and most importantly, you ignore their totality - the result, does not change anything.

A Manchester city side would destroy this Real Madrid team anyday and so will an informed Liverpool side but when it comes to the final game Real Madrid always has an edge due to the experiment they have from playing multiple finals.

Let me guess, Real Madrid have been in the finals so many times (and won there) also because of "luck"?

All I'm trying to say is that, you shouldn't disrespect the premier league side just because they lost to a lucky Real Madrid. The bookmarkers aren't dumb, they also want to make money and from their assessment of both clubs they have given Liverpool an edge because they see the quality in the team. It doesn't matter how many trophy Real Madrid wins, they're never the favorite and will never be. They only win when the other clubs don't live up to expectations.

There is nothing disrespectful in looking at the facts objectively: last season, Real Madrid outperformed the top 3 in the Premier League.
I'm rooting for United, Liverpool and Chelsea (and against City) if it's not against Real Madrid (the only difficult pairing to pick is United vs Real Madrid), but that's no reason to come up with excuses and storytelling.

Real Madrid is actually better. A lot of people do not give the team enough credit. A lot of people think that they just got lucky in the last season. But I really do not think that is the case. In fact, Real Madrid actually played better and played very tactically to come back and win a few matches in a row. You can get lucky in a match or two, but you can't get lucky in a match one after another. Keep that in mind at all times. Real Madrid showed remarkable composure and skill to win the La Liga title, and also the Champions League title last season. 

This season, Real Madrid is also playing more effectively. Both in La Liga as well as the Champions League, they are performing admirably. It will be interesting to see if they can repeat the success that they had in the last season.

[Silence Scream]

PSG and Bayern Munich is another big clash in this round. They met each other in the Champions League final two seasons ago and PSG lost that final. Now, Bayern Munich have somewhat worse player squad and worse form but it does not mean they will be an easy opponent for PSG to beat in an aggregated result.

I don't really agree that Bayern Munich has a weaker squad now then back in 2020. I even would say that Bayern has the strongest squad since at least 5 years now or so at the moment. De Ligt and Sadio Mane were absolutely top transfers before this season and they definitely helped Bayern to become even better in terms of performance density of their squad. Also Bayern now has Jamal Musiala in their squad which is probably the most promising young talent in the world of football at the moment.
That being said, PSG also has a great squad of course and for me the outcome of this matchup is totally open, 50/50.

When Psg and Real Madrid were matched last year, most people saw Psg ahead and Real Madrid eliminated them.  Bayern can do the same this year.  They have a young and qualified staff.  As you said, Musiala is a great talent.  He's also a big talent in their new young player Matyhys Tel.  In this match, the parties have the same odds.  Paris can win or lose.  Same with Bayern.

[fzkto]

I don't think Frankfurt will be a serious obstacle for Napoli and just because Frankfurt beat Celtic doesn't mean they can beat Napoli. True, this game is still four months away and no one knows how things will go for both clubs. But I think Napoli are in contention to play in the final this season.

Both coaches still have a lot of time to prepare their respective teams before the match starts, but for now Napoli do have a better condition than Frankfurt, Napoli performance is currently having the upper hand so if we think about it of course Frankfurt is not a difficult opponent to be faced by Napoli, but I think at this time we also need to take into account the World Cup risk so there will likely be a lot of changes in the two squads later both Napoli and Frankfurt, which might send their players to defend their respective national teams.

By the way, that's a really good point about the upcoming World Cup, which is undoubtedly a higher priority for any player or coach. But that will end this year and the Champions League will continue a few months later. The only thing that can affect the games of the teams is players' injuries, but nobody is immune to that. Hopefully the World Cup will have a positive impact on the players.

[Polkeins]

When I saw the results of Round 16's many stunning decisions, I grinned. It will be difficult for the qualifiers. Liverpool might not be in good shape this season, but they shouldn't be underrated. Napoli vs. Frankfurt with Napoli current performance should beat Frankfurt watching their performance in serial A and the other two matches that will be an entertaining are Dortmund vs. Chelsea and PSG playing Bayern. Let's see what each of these teams can do. Man City is playing against Leipzig is a starting bonus for Man City.

About Napoli vs Frankfurt i think Frankfurt will be tough opponent for Napoli although from their recent matches Napoli was better but Frankfurt lately has showed impressive performance and this team since last season has never stopped to surprising me and as defending champion of Europa league i will counted Frankfurt as one of dark horses team with their potention to beat strong team and besides that they also has successfully sent Sporting to Europa league which is most people has thought Frankfurt will be eliminate but they can fliped people predictions and qualified so this time Napoli has get decent opponent who possibly can make them slipped

I don't think Frankfurt will be a serious obstacle for Napoli and just because Frankfurt beat Celtic doesn't mean they can beat Napoli. True, this game is still four months away and no one knows how things will go for both clubs. But I think Napoli are in contention to play in the final this season.

Napoli has been playing just great lately getting out of such a difficult group, uncontested wins over Ajax and 11 wins out of 13 matches in Serie A speaks for itself, but you can't write off Frankfurt right away. Frankfurt also got out of the group, and last year in the european league it was also not considered seriously.
In general, it will be a great game of attacking Napoli against a dark place from Frankfurt where every team has a chance.
 

[Jody.Drummer]

I don't think Frankfurt will be a serious obstacle for Napoli and just because Frankfurt beat Celtic doesn't mean they can beat Napoli. True, this game is still four months away and no one knows how things will go for both clubs. But I think Napoli are in contention to play in the final this season.

Both coaches still have a lot of time to prepare their respective teams before the match starts, but for now Napoli do have a better condition than Frankfurt, Napoli performance is currently having the upper hand so if we think about it of course Frankfurt is not a difficult opponent to be faced by Napoli, but I think at this time we also need to take into account the World Cup risk so there will likely be a lot of changes in the two squads later both Napoli and Frankfurt, which might send their players to defend their respective national teams.

I also think so that such a long pause will make a difference in the respective squads. Napoli became a formidable club if we look at it now, Frankfurt also did not have a perfect match as Napoli. The round of 16 is a good opportunity for Napoli to be able to step into the big 8 phase because their opponents are not so tough. I don't know if this is luck for Napoli or not because they didn't have a really tough opponent. Oh yes Napoli is a club that has only experienced one defeat in all competitions this season. The defeat they got when they met Liverpool in the last match of the Champions League group stage.

[makishart]

When Psg and Real Madrid were matched last year, most people saw Psg ahead and Real Madrid eliminated them.  Bayern can do the same this year.  They have a young and qualified staff.  As you said, Musiala is a great talent.  He's also a big talent in their new young player Matyhys Tel.  In this match, the parties have the same odds.  Paris can win or lose.  Same with Bayern.

This time people are still thinking PSG as the best team in the world with very big chance to win UCL. In my opinion the team like bayern and real madrid have been proven in UCL rather than PSG. That's why i personally doubt that if PSG can even win against another big club like bayern.
All of team have chance to win or lose but the bookmakers will always try to consider various reasons to determine which odd that might be suitable for that team. People are always picking the team with so many world class players on it while it has very bad track record in UCL
I will always try to see the track record in UCL. having so many big players like PSG was also increasing the chance to win UCL but it doesn't enough to give you guarantee if that club will be winning the trophy easily.
Sometime it can even go out from the UCL since it was loosing in the last 16. People are eyeing messi is a key that could make PSG to win UCL