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June 23, 2023, 07:14:53 PM
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And the thing about Qatar is they spend money but they didn't get good results because in the end there are many people they were unhappy there in Qatar because of their Alcohol rules or because workers were killed there.
Just the chart and compare the money they spent and you can see the difference.
However one reason for increasing the hosting cost can be the inflation rate but the difference is still much more than other hosts, I'm sure America will spend less than this.


That is awfully expensive, I knew they had spent a lot of money but I never knew that it was to this extent, the 2026 world cup should be much cheaper as there is no need to build stadiums on any of those countries, the US has its own soccer league and they also have NFL stadiums so they should be good, Mexico is the poorest out of the three but their professional soccer league should have more than enough stadiums which at most just need a renovation, and Canada should be roughly the same, and when we add that there will be more freedoms for the fans then there is no doubt that the upcoming world cup should be many times better than the one that was hosted at Qatar.

True! I know that Qatar have undergone a complete make over so that they can cater the vast amount of people flocking towards their country to see the game and accommodate most of them in one place and build a big stadium that can actually host a World Cup that is happening once every four years. But $220 Billion? That's quite a huge price tag, I know that it's a penny to a country like Qatar but they could've poured those resources to a much worthy project.

Anyway, I'm also inclined and confident that USA, Canada and Mexico will not be spending at least one-fourth of Qatar's spending because they already have a lot of existing stadiums that can cater the audience. Mexico will not have any problems either because other than the fact that they have stadiums too, they will only need to host about 10 games which is the games that are not that big compared to what the USA will be hosting.

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June 23, 2023, 08:00:30 PM
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Yes, they have lots of money like many other countries but having lots of money can't love lots of problems for the world cup, you just saw in the Qatar world cup they spend lots of money and in the end, many people were unhappy about their hosting services, I think America got enough money to spend even more than Qatar but the thing about America is the country they know how to host a great event even without spending money like Qatar.

"Spending money" doesn't alone guarantee good results. According to reports, Qataris spent somewhere between $250 billion and $300 billion for hosting the FIFA World Cup in 2022. This is almost 10 times when compared to the amount spent by Russia to host the 2018 edition. And I am sure that the cost of costing the 2026 World Cup would also be much smaller when compared to that for Qatar. But then, most of the money spent was used to showoff the wealth rather than to create facilities for the players and fans. In the end, the fans were unhappy about overpriced facilities with low quality.
Your reasoning about economic prowess influencing the hosting of major global happenings like the World Cup holds weight. Still, the crux isn't the expenditure, but the deployment of resources.

Yes, the Qatar World Cup, you pointed out, was a festival of spending, but it fell short of expectations. Spending big doesn't guarantee a memorable experience for players and viewers. It was not just a money issue, but also a logistics challenge. Successful execution of such mega-events calls for meticulous planning and wise investments.

Consider experienced hosts like the United States, who excel in resource management. They prioritize quality of facilities, safety, and services over mere grandeur. Hence, strategic resource utilization, not lavish spending, creates a truly unforgettable event.

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June 23, 2023, 08:11:14 PM
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A news I just read, the United States will also host the 2025 Club World Cup with the new format, similar to the 32-team world cup.

This greatly reinforces the idea that the United States is investing heavily in soccer
Now the schedule will look like this:
2024 Copa America
2025 Club World Cup
2026 World Cup

In my opinion, all this experience that they will acquire with the two championships, has everything to become a World Cup VERY well organized and with as few problems as possible.
The United States should also evolve a lot the level of their soccer in general, both in MLS and the national team itself. It seems that FIFA itself wants it too, because if soccer is more popular over there, they can make a lot of money, it's probably the best place right now to take opportunities.
It will be very interesting to follow

For those who want to know more and confirm the news, you can see it here: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/united-states-host-expanded-club-world-cup-2025-fifa-2023-06-23/

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June 23, 2023, 09:14:12 PM
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Yes, they have lots of money like many other countries but having lots of money can't love lots of problems for the world cup, you just saw in the Qatar world cup they spend lots of money and in the end, many people were unhappy about their hosting services, I think America got enough money to spend even more than Qatar but the thing about America is the country they know how to host a great event even without spending money like Qatar.

"Spending money" doesn't alone guarantee good results. According to reports, Qataris spent somewhere between $250 billion and $300 billion for hosting the FIFA World Cup in 2022. This is almost 10 times when compared to the amount spent by Russia to host the 2018 edition. And I am sure that the cost of costing the 2026 World Cup would also be much smaller when compared to that for Qatar. But then, most of the money spent was used to showoff the wealth rather than to create facilities for the players and fans. In the end, the fans were unhappy about overpriced facilities with low quality.
Your reasoning about economic prowess influencing the hosting of major global happenings like the World Cup holds weight. Still, the crux isn't the expenditure, but the deployment of resources.

Yes, the Qatar World Cup, you pointed out, was a festival of spending, but it fell short of expectations. Spending big doesn't guarantee a memorable experience for players and viewers. It was not just a money issue, but also a logistics challenge. Successful execution of such mega-events calls for meticulous planning and wise investments.

Consider experienced hosts like the United States, who excel in resource management. They prioritize quality of facilities, safety, and services over mere grandeur. Hence, strategic resource utilization, not lavish spending, creates a truly unforgettable event.

Besides you get to get hammered as well.  Key part of sports whether people like it or not is the booze fest it becomes both before, during and after the event takes place.  It's not only a game but a place to come together as a tribe lol.  Seriously I think that is what killed the experience over there. 

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June 23, 2023, 11:55:17 PM
 #2305

A news I just read, the United States will also host the 2025 Club World Cup with the new format, similar to the 32-team world cup.

This greatly reinforces the idea that the United States is investing heavily in soccer
Now the schedule will look like this:
2024 Copa America
2025 Club World Cup
2026 World Cup

In my opinion, all this experience that they will acquire with the two championships, has everything to become a World Cup VERY well organized and with as few problems as possible.
The United States should also evolve a lot the level of their soccer in general, both in MLS and the national team itself. It seems that FIFA itself wants it too, because if soccer is more popular over there, they can make a lot of money, it's probably the best place right now to take opportunities.
It will be very interesting to follow

For those who want to know more and confirm the news, you can see it here: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/united-states-host-expanded-club-world-cup-2025-fifa-2023-06-23/

Interesting. I didn't pay attention to the other tournaments America going to host in the future and it seems like they have a great plan for these years because from 2024 to 2026 they will host one great tournament each year and I think if they rebuild some stadium and sports facilities they will have to spend less money and by the rebuilding the stadiums for once they can get more benefits from it.
This can definitely have a much better financial benefit for America.

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June 24, 2023, 12:02:18 AM
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Yes, they have lots of money like many other countries but having lots of money can't love lots of problems for the world cup, you just saw in the Qatar world cup they spend lots of money and in the end, many people were unhappy about their hosting services, I think America got enough money to spend even more than Qatar but the thing about America is the country they know how to host a great event even without spending money like Qatar.

"Spending money" doesn't alone guarantee good results. According to reports, Qataris spent somewhere between $250 billion and $300 billion for hosting the FIFA World Cup in 2022. This is almost 10 times when compared to the amount spent by Russia to host the 2018 edition. And I am sure that the cost of costing the 2026 World Cup would also be much smaller when compared to that for Qatar. But then, most of the money spent was used to showoff the wealth rather than to create facilities for the players and fans. In the end, the fans were unhappy about overpriced facilities with low quality.

We cannot deny that the World Cup in Qatar was an unprecedented event, never before had a country spent so much money on this FIFA event. However, I disagree that the logistics were bad, what I have seen the most is that despite the high costs for the fans, the internal logistics were very good to watch the 2022 World Cup games. it won the fourth highest average audience in history, I think the post-covid period and the need for people to leave their homes and go on a trip helped a lot with that.

On the other hand, it did have many complaints, especially for the treatment given to the LGBT+ community, prejudice against women and also much of the deaths of immigrant workers.

Canada, Mexico and the United States have the important mission of making the 2026 World Cup better, showing that it is possible to do more with much less money.
I believe that the distance between the stadiums will be the main problem, I hope that the three countries manage to prepare good internal logistics to facilitate this movement.

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Sure enough that nobody have been expecting nor saw that coming because if I recall it correctly, neither of the signs were pointing at the Inter Miami CF as people and rumors have been suspecting that it's either Messi will join Ronaldo in Saudi or he will go back to Barcelona until the day of his retirement. But that didn't happen and safe enough to say that people are curious why Miami has been chosen for the legend.

Maybe it should be mentioned that Beckham has been working on a Messi transfer for years now. Those who followed the news the last couple of years likely thought that Messi will go back to either Barcelona or go to Saudi Arabia, but the devil is in the details here. Messi did signal in the past that he might be willing to play in the US and since this topic is about the World Cup 2026, there might be more to this transfer to Inter Miami than just Messi's mood to play soccer in Florida. He will create a lot of enthusiasm and new fans in the US area and that could spark an extra wave of excitement that will further mobilize the masses towards this huge event in a few years from now. The timing makes a lot of sense in many respects.

I only see here that Inter Miami can give Messi and his family peace of mind, sometimes we don't realize how people's lives really are, Messi said that he had 2 years of complete unhappiness, that is, he did not enjoy not being at PSG at all and that was very emphatic, it's just that there you can see that things in the big teams are not always pink, not all that glitters is gold, at least I think that Messi this time opted for something more peaceful and for a happy retirement in football it is not bad, as such, he has already won everything that a footballer can be capable of winning.

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June 24, 2023, 05:31:45 PM
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Yes, they have lots of money like many other countries but having lots of money can't love lots of problems for the world cup, you just saw in the Qatar world cup they spend lots of money and in the end, many people were unhappy about their hosting services, I think America got enough money to spend even more than Qatar but the thing about America is the country they know how to host a great event even without spending money like Qatar.

"Spending money" doesn't alone guarantee good results. According to reports, Qataris spent somewhere between $250 billion and $300 billion for hosting the FIFA World Cup in 2022. This is almost 10 times when compared to the amount spent by Russia to host the 2018 edition. And I am sure that the cost of costing the 2026 World Cup would also be much smaller when compared to that for Qatar. But then, most of the money spent was used to showoff the wealth rather than to create facilities for the players and fans. In the end, the fans were unhappy about overpriced facilities with low quality.

We cannot deny that the World Cup in Qatar was an unprecedented event, never before had a country spent so much money on this FIFA event. However, I disagree that the logistics were bad, what I have seen the most is that despite the high costs for the fans, the internal logistics were very good to watch the 2022 World Cup games. it won the fourth highest average audience in history, I think the post-covid period and the need for people to leave their homes and go on a trip helped a lot with that.

On the other hand, it did have many complaints, especially for the treatment given to the LGBT+ community, prejudice against women and also much of the deaths of immigrant workers.

Canada, Mexico and the United States have the important mission of making the 2026 World Cup better, showing that it is possible to do more with much less money.
I believe that the distance between the stadiums will be the main problem, I hope that the three countries manage to prepare good internal logistics to facilitate this movement.

People blame Qatar for spending money and for the rules, they had for the visitors like none could have freedom because of their rules about Alcohol and other special Islamic rules they made for their country. But the fact about Qatar is they are not guilty of it and that's all because FIFA made a bad decision by choosing this country to host the world cup while FIFA knows they don't have enough potential for it.

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June 24, 2023, 05:51:59 PM
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A news I just read, the United States will also host the 2025 Club World Cup with the new format, similar to the 32-team world cup.

This greatly reinforces the idea that the United States is investing heavily in soccer
Now the schedule will look like this:
2024 Copa America
2025 Club World Cup
2026 World Cup

In my opinion, all this experience that they will acquire with the two championships, has everything to become a World Cup VERY well organized and with as few problems as possible.
The United States should also evolve a lot the level of their soccer in general, both in MLS and the national team itself. It seems that FIFA itself wants it too, because if soccer is more popular over there, they can make a lot of money, it's probably the best place right now to take opportunities.
It will be very interesting to follow

For those who want to know more and confirm the news, you can see it here: https://www.reuters.com/sports/soccer/united-states-host-expanded-club-world-cup-2025-fifa-2023-06-23/
Its good experienced for United State after becoming host for FIFA Club World Cup 2025 or one year left before FIFA World Cup 2026, United State has start how to make football popular there after signing Lionel  Messi will play for Inter Miami on MLS League. Football America most popular there than soccer and I think need promoting and MLS League should be popular than other favorite sport in United State, but if less fans watching when FIFA Club World Cup 2025 I don't sure how excited or atmosphere United State as the host for World Cup.

Last edition in Qatar have been amazing all matched from group stage full by supporter and seems there how Qatar have good promoting and make fans excited for watching in stadium.

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June 24, 2023, 06:25:53 PM
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People blame Qatar for spending money and for the rules, they had for the visitors like none could have freedom because of their rules about Alcohol and other special Islamic rules they made for their country. But the fact about Qatar is they are not guilty of it and that's all because FIFA made a bad decision by choosing this country to host the world cup while FIFA knows they don't have enough potential for it.

There is nothing bad, Qatar gave every football audience the comfort of being in their home country. The laws have been relaxed and specific arrangements were done for alcohol consumption and smoking. Just because Qatar hosted the FIFA 2023 big thing happened in most of the football audience from the third world country. Just because Qatar hosted, many were able to watch the matches reaching the ground. The only flaw with Qatar is the accidents caused during the construction and the committee isn't ready to reveal the number of deaths and the compensation to the families.

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June 24, 2023, 06:35:05 PM
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United States will be hosting about 80% of the matches so this argument of three countries hosting the world cup is not entirely true. And regarding the number of teams, it was long due. With the current format, the UEFA teams are over-represented in the FIFA World Cup. During the 1990s, it was justifiable, because back then the Asian and African teams were unable to compete against the UEFA teams. But now the situation has changed completely. AFC and CAF teams are giving good fight to the UEFA and CONMEBOL teams and this was very evident during the 2022 FIFA World Cup.
True, and the reason for the United States to host most of the games are mainly that the United States but much more facilities and potential to host the world cup than other countries, United States got enough hotels and stadiums to even host the world cup by itself alone.
Regarding AFC and CAF teams I think they have improved themselves a lot in the other hand in the 2022 world cup many European teams had bad performances and they let these teams have the opportunity to show better performance.
They have a lot of money as well, sure Canada is not a poor nation but not as rich as USA, and I am not even going to talk about Mexico, they are very poor. All in all Mexico is dangerous as well, they are known to be cartel land and there are a lot of people who would not want to go there just because of that reason, whereas when we are talking about USA, even though there could be some robbers and such on the street, that would be mainly pick pockets, not a lot of people would be in danger of losing their life.

Unless some mad gunman ends up shooting everyone, those kinds of stuff do happen at USA, that's one risk that you need to just take, but I bet that cops there will prevent anyone like that during that period and not allow such embarrassment.

Yes, they have lots of money like many other countries but having lots of money can't love lots of problems for the world cup, you just saw in the Qatar world cup they spend lots of money and in the end, many people were unhappy about their hosting services, I think America got enough money to spend even more than Qatar but the thing about America is the country they know how to host a great event even without spending money like Qatar.
The US has all it takes to host the world cup. They have quality facilities,tight security and good infrastructures, which makes them far better than Qatar. US will spend less because they will only have few things to put in place.

The problem is that the country us already populated and might make them reduce the number of fans that they will grant access to the country for the world cup. One thing I know is that it will be well organized and people will complain less and will feel happy because it has been so many people dreams to be in the US,and I think that the world cup will be a good opportunity.

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June 24, 2023, 06:50:56 PM
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The US has all it takes to host the world cup. They have quality facilities,tight security and good infrastructures, which makes them far better than Qatar. US will spend less because they will only have few things to put in place.
This is going to be a very big world cup with more teams than the usual number. Games will not only be played in The United States but also extending to Canada and Mexico for some games. Soccer is not very popular in the United States, this world cup that they have been given the rights to host will change all that. Soccer will become as popular as football and Basketball.

In terms of Logistics to handle and ensure that the tournament goes smoothly, the United States will not have a problem, and they are very capable of hosting a tournament that will be remembered

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June 25, 2023, 09:20:24 AM
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Today I saw this news about Messi and it shocked me, Since Messi made his division and accepted the offer from Inter Maimi to have a safe and happy life in America with his family and take some rest there, he is even going to quit the international team to take a rest for some time, however, this can be temporary but we are not sure yet if Scaloni will accept this because he is surely socked from this desition.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12230527/Lionel-Messi-quit-international-duty-Argentina-YEAR.html

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June 25, 2023, 09:35:17 AM
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Today I saw this news about Messi and it shocked me, Since Messi made his division and accepted the offer from Inter Maimi to have a safe and happy life in America with his family and take some rest there, he is even going to quit the international team to take a rest for some time, however, this can be temporary but we are not sure yet if Scaloni will accept this because he is surely socked from this desition.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12230527/Lionel-Messi-quit-international-duty-Argentina-YEAR.html

This is a result of his achievements. No other player could afford to do that without getting kicked out from the national team I guess. It is not up to me to have an opinion on that as he probably has his reasons. They could be manyfold.When an article says it is because of his family that doesn't mean that must be the only reason. But I think coming back from such a break can be both a blessing and a curse. It depends on the first one or two games then and whether he is the Messi people expect him to be for the team. If he fails, he would even have to expect disrespect.

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June 25, 2023, 01:05:09 PM
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Today I saw this news about Messi and it shocked me, Since Messi made his division and accepted the offer from Inter Maimi to have a safe and happy life in America with his family and take some rest there, he is even going to quit the international team to take a rest for some time, however, this can be temporary but we are not sure yet if Scaloni will accept this because he is surely socked from this desition.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12230527/Lionel-Messi-quit-international-duty-Argentina-YEAR.html

This is a result of his achievements. No other player could afford to do that without getting kicked out from the national team I guess. It is not up to me to have an opinion on that as he probably has his reasons. They could be manyfold.When an article says it is because of his family that doesn't mean that must be the only reason. But I think coming back from such a break can be both a blessing and a curse. It depends on the first one or two games then and whether he is the Messi people expect him to be for the team. If he fails, he would even have to expect disrespect.
Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.

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June 25, 2023, 02:50:10 PM
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Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.
If I'm not mistaken, he also stated that he had resigned from the Argentine national team when he failed in the Copa America final a few years ago, but he returned and the situation was certainly different because at that time he was still under 30 years old, so it was difficult for the Argentine coach not to call him back into the national team, it seems that the problems at PSG and the issue of the possibility that he will return to Barcelona are quite draining of his emotions, because it is reported that he really wants to return to his old club but his decision to go to Inter Miami certainly has a reason and also the decision to resign from the national team, and he is one the only one who knows the real reason.

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June 25, 2023, 02:53:30 PM
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Messi said the completed football which is absolutely right but he said after winning WC , that he has one small dream to achieve : to play at next WC being the world cup winner and he already made step nr 1 by transfer to Miami and be ready for 2026 so he only needs to wait for step 2 which is just letting time to pass and enjoy playing in USA as much as he can without getting any ugly injuries.

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June 25, 2023, 03:10:15 PM
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I always found it a  bit weird to calculate how much Qatar spent on the cup because technically speaking they didn't spend that much on the cup but on the nation. Like they included every road, hospital, hotel, school, houses, and of course stadiums. Now I can understand stadiums, maybe hotels could make "some" sense, but when we are talking about roads? Really? I have seen they had a line that said 1.3 billion on the roads, come on man if you didn't had that specific road then you should have and don't include that.

I think it's overblown and they added every single thing that is possible into the calculation and made a wrong one. That way it looked so high that they actually deserved to get it but I feel like they didn't deserve it at all.

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June 25, 2023, 04:13:03 PM
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Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.
If I'm not mistaken, he also stated that he had resigned from the Argentine national team when he failed in the Copa America final a few years ago, but he returned and the situation was certainly different because at that time he was still under 30 years old, so it was difficult for the Argentine coach not to call him back into the national team, it seems that the problems at PSG and the issue of the possibility that he will return to Barcelona are quite draining of his emotions, because it is reported that he really wants to return to his old club but his decision to go to Inter Miami certainly has a reason and also the decision to resign from the national team, and he is one the only one who knows the real reason.
Yes, you're right, a few years ago he also wanted to retire from the Argentina national team, and that became a subject of discussion because many said his intention was because he failed to execute a penalty (if I'm not mistaken) and made a lot of criticism that came to him for not being had a strong mentality at that time.
But of course now it will be very much different, because he has got everything in football, starting from individual titles and the title that many players want, namely to win the World Cup.

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June 25, 2023, 05:42:51 PM
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Every decision he makes must come with risks, be it big or small risks. and I agree with you on this even though he talks about family as the reason, it doesn't guarantee whether that's the only reason, and maybe there are other reasons that are more private and can't be published.
And also I agree with you, he took a risk too when he went to Miami, because maybe there were expectations pinned on him that if those expectations couldn't be met then it would turn someone who values him into hate. As happened to him before at Paris Saint Germain.

I wouldn't think he is taking any more risks than he did before in his career. He himself said that it is finally the time to relay and play soccer without pressure. I think that says a lot about the risk and pressure he is going to face. It won't be big. He will still play excellently and the crowd will enjoy him. I can understand how he is looking forward to this.

My guess is that he has deep business involvement in the US considering that Apple and Adidas are also involved in the deal between him and Inter Miami. He wants more time to be dedicated to his family and business besides playing soccer. The national team would be traveling around the globe and he said he wants to take a break for 2023? Or for a fully year? I am not sure about that but in about a year there is the Copa America and if he is in shape I doubt that whoever is the coach would not ask him to come and play. However, if Messi likes his new life and doesn't want any more pressure than necessary, it is also possible that he will say goodbye then to the national team.

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