who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections?

[nullama]

~snip~
I am not sure whether Biden is more aggressive than Trump. But one thing is for sure. Trump followed a non-interventionist policy and he wanted to fix problems back home before taking care of those outside the United States. And that is the reason why he decided to pull back from Afghanistan and Iraq. However, for some unknown reason Biden changed that policy. He has spent hundreds of billions in foreign military intervention (a large part going to Ukraine) ever since he became the POTUS. But being aggressive doesn't mean more successful. After spending so much in supporting Ukraine, Russia still controls more than 20% of the territory. So which approach was the right one?

The president in the end is way more than one person.

There are thousands of people with power and money that have interests in either of the candidates, so in a way the policies are really to appeal the powerful people, not really the whole nation.

That's the job of the president, sell the idea that they are doing all these things for every citizen, when in reality they are doing the things for the rich and powerful interests.

[Sithara007]

I am tracking the polls on Democratic Presidential Nomination, and it looks as if Joe Biden is comfortably ahead at this point. He is polling somewhere between 60% and 70%, while Kennedy at second place is polling approx. 20%. Marianne Williamson is also included in the poll, but can't get past single digits in any of them. But still I am hopeful about Robert Kennedy Jr. He very recently announced his candidature and so far he has achieved a lot of publicity. Also, he has got a lot of traction in social media platforms. 

[beerlover]

I have dared to think that the influence of other politicians has caused them to put Trump in tremendous trouble to disable him, but it seems to me that if it is something like that it is a very dirty move, and even though I do not believe in politics precisely because of their plays dirty because playing like this between them seems to me that it is something normal, I am not one of those who believe in politicians, but in this case Trump is not a politician, he wants to do politics but he did not study it,his thinking is more focused on management and to business, so that's why I don't think he would do anything bad and he already has experience, I think if he wins he would do whatever he wants.

There is democracy, and then there is democracy. This means, if someone like Hitler who actually did manage to become the elected leader when he first was elected and wasn't really a dictator or anything on his first election, should be elected? I mean that was democracy, that is who the public voted for, not like he was this bad from the first day, so people voted for Hitler and called that a democracy, and then we saw what happened.

I am in no means saying Trump is like Hitler, obviously not. However, should we allow bad people to be elected? Just because people vote for them? How do we avoid a Hitler like scenario if that were the case? I do not know, I really don't know how to prevent that, I just think that there needs to be a solution, I don't have it, but someone should.

[Betwrong]

Does anyone mention here that American Credit Default Swaps are skyrocketing? In country without reserve currency thay would pretty much mean bankruptcy. But US Dollar is, luckily, reserve currency so USA can be indebted nearly limitless. But people should still put it into consideration. Republicans are already planning to increase debt ceiling. USA should start cuts in spending even though it's world leader economy. Or its status can be challenged. In current atmosphere I would say, democrats may not win.

Joe Biden is still the favourite candidate among gamblers



So, if you think Democrats have no chance, you probably should bet on Trump or Desantis, or both, right now. When many will start thinking like you do, the odds for Republican candidates will drop significantly. I personally think Joe Biden will be the next President, only to me it's not that attractive to bet with 2.35 odds.

I honestly just came across this topic right now, are you guys saying that its possible to gamble on the next presidential election? This is totally crazy, I was thinking that who would do this on their gambling platform because it doesn't happen from time to time like sport matches and others, this is unexpected and I am so into this, can you share the name of this casino or platform? I will like to check things out and if it's good enough I won't mind taking some bet and that's on Joe, though I like Trump much more than Joe but I have a feeling that Joe will be the winner.

Yes, same as you could bet on Oscars long before there were nominations even, you can bet on 2024 USA elections now.

I think there are many sports betting platforms where you can do it, but I will give you links to those where I make my bets.

On FortuneJack:

 you can click on "Culture" here



and you'll get this



where you can bet on the Republican Presidential Nominee.

On Stake:

just click on the image below



On Sportsbet.io:

just click on the image below



I think the above mentioned sites will add more options in the future, but what they already have introduced is worth looking at.

[nullama]

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There is democracy, and then there is democracy. This means, if someone like Hitler who actually did manage to become the elected leader when he first was elected and wasn't really a dictator or anything on his first election, should be elected? I mean that was democracy, that is who the public voted for, not like he was this bad from the first day, so people voted for Hitler and called that a democracy, and then we saw what happened.

I am in no means saying Trump is like Hitler, obviously not. However, should we allow bad people to be elected? Just because people vote for them? How do we avoid a Hitler like scenario if that were the case? I do not know, I really don't know how to prevent that, I just think that there needs to be a solution, I don't have it, but someone should.

There's no bad or good people. That is a very simplistic view of the world, like a cartoon almost.

Every person is capable of doing good and evil. This has been demonstrated in the Milgram study, in which people following orders of an authority basically "killed" people(they were delivering electricity as punishment and they increased it to lethal levels, all faked though as it was a study). Here's more details about the study: https://www.thoughtco.com/milgram-experiment-4176401

And to quote Solzhenitsyn:

"If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"

[STT]

The president in the end is way more than one person.

The whole administration is a party level organization really but its still centered around one person.  This is also why I never bought the idea of Biden stepping down due to age because its not all on him, if he holds the same opinions and is able to sign off the paperwork he can be the leader without having to pull the cart its not on him.   I dont agree with the rest of the criticism that he is non compos mentis, sharp as when he was 21 or 31 I guess not but we arent electing people on that basis more experience and track record then anything else hence Trump getting into office was a first ever as he had no prior relevant real experience but democracy put him there anyhow; all options remain open imo.

[Hispo]

The president in the end is way more than one person.

The whole administration is a party level organization really but its still centered around one person.  This is also why I never bought the idea of Biden stepping down due to age because its not all on him, if he holds the same opinions and is able to sign off the paperwork he can be the leader without having to pull the cart its not on him.   I dont agree with the rest of the criticism that he is non compos mentis, sharp as when he was 21 or 31 I guess not but we arent electing people on that basis more experience and track record then anything else hence Trump getting into office was a first ever as he had no prior relevant real experience but democracy put him there anyhow; all options remain open imo.

The president is the head of his party, of course but there are very remarkable differences between Biden and someone like Trump.
Biden is an establishment politician who works for his party and the party also gets feedback from him. On the other hand, when Trump won his election back in 2016, the republican party (those who are part of the establishment) thought that they could control the politically inexperienced Trump, for him to do their bidding; the opposite turned out happening.

Trump took over the party and in his case, the presidency was more centralized than even, in my opinion, the president was one person.

[slapper]

The president in the end is way more than one person.

The whole administration is a party level organization really but its still centered around one person.  This is also why I never bought the idea of Biden stepping down due to age because its not all on him, if he holds the same opinions and is able to sign off the paperwork he can be the leader without having to pull the cart its not on him.   I dont agree with the rest of the criticism that he is non compos mentis, sharp as when he was 21 or 31 I guess not but we arent electing people on that basis more experience and track record then anything else hence Trump getting into office was a first ever as he had no prior relevant real experience but democracy put him there anyhow; all options remain open imo.

The president is the head of his party, of course but there are very remarkable differences between Biden and someone like Trump.
Biden is an establishment politician who works for his party and the party also gets feedback from him. On the other hand, when Trump won his election back in 2016, the republican party (those who are part of the establishment) thought that they could control the politically inexperienced Trump, for him to do their bidding; the opposite turned out happening.

Trump took over the party and in his case, the presidency was more centralized than even, in my opinion, the president was one person.

Politics, my friends, the ceaseless melodrama – like a soap opera that won't quit, brimming with intrigue, scandals, and battles for power. Picture this: the administration, a college fraternity, with a gaggle of guys carousing, guzzling brews, and making momentous choices. At least there's a central figure, right?

Biden stepping down for age? Nonsense! Age, just digits. Who minds if he's not the sharpest tool anymore? Signing papers, debating – he's set! Trump, the political enigma, no real experience, still won! Thanks, democracy! Maybe he'll return, shake the system again!

[Hispo]

The president in the end is way more than one person.

The whole administration is a party level organization really but its still centered around one person.  This is also why I never bought the idea of Biden stepping down due to age because its not all on him, if he holds the same opinions and is able to sign off the paperwork he can be the leader without having to pull the cart its not on him.   I dont agree with the rest of the criticism that he is non compos mentis, sharp as when he was 21 or 31 I guess not but we arent electing people on that basis more experience and track record then anything else hence Trump getting into office was a first ever as he had no prior relevant real experience but democracy put him there anyhow; all options remain open imo.

The president is the head of his party, of course but there are very remarkable differences between Biden and someone like Trump.
Biden is an establishment politician who works for his party and the party also gets feedback from him. On the other hand, when Trump won his election back in 2016, the republican party (those who are part of the establishment) thought that they could control the politically inexperienced Trump, for him to do their bidding; the opposite turned out happening.

Trump took over the party and in his case, the presidency was more centralized than even, in my opinion, the president was one person.

Politics, my friends, the ceaseless melodrama – like a soap opera that won't quit, brimming with intrigue, scandals, and battles for power. Picture this: the administration, a college fraternity, with a gaggle of guys carousing, guzzling brews, and making momentous choices. At least there's a central figure, right?

Biden stepping down for age? Nonsense! Age, just digits. Who minds if he's not the sharpest tool anymore? Signing papers, debating – he's set! Trump, the political enigma, no real experience, still won! Thanks, democracy! Maybe he'll return, shake the system again!

He will indeed shake the system again if he comes back  and it would be a stronger shake than before, because this would be his last time to build a legacy for himself. This is also the last chance he has to avoid getting thrown in prison or in home arrest, he know he has created a powerful movement and wants to use it for his favor.

Biden is not only the classical politician who do not know how to move the passions of the masses, he is also sleepy (as many people say), he gives off an aura of fragility which is not good when a country is facing external adversities and internal divisions.

[Sithara007]

This Kennedy guy is making a lot of noise. Reminds me of Bernie Sanders in 2016. But the difference this time is that Kennedy is emerging as a threat both for the Democrats, as well as the Republicans. In case he decides to run as an independent candidate then he will attract votes from both the sides (it is almost certain that he will not win the Democrat nomination). The good news for Biden is that establishment is behind him like a rock, and Kennedy hasn't got much traction in the polls (at this point, he is pulling ~20% support, versus >60% for Biden).

[LUCKMCFLY]

The US elections is still far away. Although the political preparations are definitely underway already, bettors should still wait before betting. The elections will be held more than one year and six months from now. That's still a long way. There will still be many things that could happen within that time span. We don't even know if those people who are assumed to be the candidates in the 2024 elections are the ones who will actually be running. Trump for instance may not be there in the 2024 race.

This is something that Baffles me, I don't know very well what the internal Movement is like in the USA, but Trump has Found it difficult to reach the 2024 candidacy, and this is for a Reason, maybe they have some kind of inside information and Trump can't be there because he's the eventual winner? And that's why they are Charging him with so many charges to see if they can put him behind bars? I don't know, why now? It is assumed that the USA is a Country that does not miss Anything, so why did these things and these investigations take place until now?

Depending whom you ask, some will tell you that the New York City prosecutor simply pushed the case forward in hopes to break the ice so the most damaging cases can come after it. Trump is not actually scared of what could happen in the NY case, since it is difficult to prove he directed his former lawyer to do the crime.

On the other hand, the Georgia prosecutors have Trump in a record pressuring the state athorities to find votes for him and using subtle threats against them.

Also, on the timing for betting in this presidential election, I would not push the button until we have reached the final days before people are called to vote. We all know how unpredictable these things are.

Let us see how both parties react to the accusations of a rigged election, when they start to happen again, by the end of the campaign.

In fact, things are like that, because I don't see that things are Going to prosper with the former lawyer either, more so now that they want to tarnish the career of a person who is quite Relevant in the world, for me personally I see Ttump as the strongest candidate of all, I don't know if Biden wants to run for re-election, or if someone else comes out, but for me the one who can do things better will be Trump, I would like to see if he can fix the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, although this is going to change many things at an economic level, but at the point of economic recession Trump will catch it very badly, but the advantage is that he has too high a financial education,he will be able to find solutions.

[RealMalatesta]

Politics, my friends, the ceaseless melodrama – like a soap opera that won't quit, brimming with intrigue, scandals, and battles for power. Picture this: the administration, a college fraternity, with a gaggle of guys carousing, guzzling brews, and making momentous choices. At least there's a central figure, right?

Biden stepping down for age? Nonsense! Age, just digits. Who minds if he's not the sharpest tool anymore? Signing papers, debating – he's set! Trump, the political enigma, no real experience, still won! Thanks, democracy! Maybe he'll return, shake the system again!

I feel like the way they could consider politics is like a game show at this point, like you vote for the winner of a game show and nothing more. That is as terrible as it gets and should be considered a lot more serious.

Back in the day there were ideologies and everyone ruled a nation based on their ideology, nowadays we just have names, trump, Biden, whoever comes in to rule, they will rule it with simply the same way. Will USA change a lot? I really do not think that they will, both of them will rule it nearly the same, sure there could be a small change here and there, but the nation will basically have the exact same day to day. There are major situations that change it, like abortion deal or gay marriage deal, these did have a big changes, but those are rare and not common.

[Sithara007]

In fact, things are like that, because I don't see that things are Going to prosper with the former lawyer either, more so now that they want to tarnish the career of a person who is quite Relevant in the world, for me personally I see Ttump as the strongest candidate of all, I don't know if Biden wants to run for re-election, or if someone else comes out, but for me the one who can do things better will be Trump, I would like to see if he can fix the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, although this is going to change many things at an economic level, but at the point of economic recession Trump will catch it very badly, but the advantage is that he has too high a financial education,he will be able to find solutions.

Biden has already announced his candidacy, so things are clear from his side. And for Trump, it is almost certain that he will be the nominee from the Republican side, unless the Biden administration does something stupid and disqualify him from running. That can backfire on them, as Trump supporters will get energized and will vote for anyone whom he proposes. Ideally the US needs some fresh face to run the country from 2024 onwards. And it looks as if they are not going to get it. The choice is, once again between Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

[Hispo]

The US elections is still far away. Although the political preparations are definitely underway already, bettors should still wait before betting. The elections will be held more than one year and six months from now. That's still a long way. There will still be many things that could happen within that time span. We don't even know if those people who are assumed to be the candidates in the 2024 elections are the ones who will actually be running. Trump for instance may not be there in the 2024 race.

This is something that Baffles me, I don't know very well what the internal Movement is like in the USA, but Trump has Found it difficult to reach the 2024 candidacy, and this is for a Reason, maybe they have some kind of inside information and Trump can't be there because he's the eventual winner? And that's why they are Charging him with so many charges to see if they can put him behind bars? I don't know, why now? It is assumed that the USA is a Country that does not miss Anything, so why did these things and these investigations take place until now?

Depending whom you ask, some will tell you that the New York City prosecutor simply pushed the case forward in hopes to break the ice so the most damaging cases can come after it. Trump is not actually scared of what could happen in the NY case, since it is difficult to prove he directed his former lawyer to do the crime.

On the other hand, the Georgia prosecutors have Trump in a record pressuring the state athorities to find votes for him and using subtle threats against them.

Also, on the timing for betting in this presidential election, I would not push the button until we have reached the final days before people are called to vote. We all know how unpredictable these things are.

Let us see how both parties react to the accusations of a rigged election, when they start to happen again, by the end of the campaign.

In fact, things are like that, because I don't see that things are Going to prosper with the former lawyer either, more so now that they want to tarnish the career of a person who is quite Relevant in the world, for me personally I see Ttump as the strongest candidate of all, I don't know if Biden wants to run for re-election, or if someone else comes out, but for me the one who can do things better will be Trump, I would like to see if he can fix the conflict between Ukraine and Russia, although this is going to change many things at an economic level, but at the point of economic recession Trump will catch it very badly, but the advantage is that he has too high a financial education,he will be able to find solutions.

Joe Biden is already officially running, perhaps you missed his announcement.
Also, one of the strong points about Trump is that he is a natural negotiator, he managed to prove it while dealing with Mexican diplomacy (according to him) and also trying to deal the the leader of North Korea, but it would take him more than being a good negotiator to stop the invasion against Ukraine. Putin would likely ask for concessions and perhaps part of the captured territory to be officially recognized as part of Russia. I do not know what Trump would do in that case.

The Ukrainian government would not accept such terms.

[Sithara007]

Joe Biden is already officially running, perhaps you missed his announcement.
Also, one of the strong points about Trump is that he is a natural negotiator, he managed to prove it while dealing with Mexican diplomacy (according to him) and also trying to deal the the leader of North Korea, but it would take him more than being a good negotiator to stop the invasion against Ukraine. Putin would likely ask for concessions and perhaps part of the captured territory to be officially recognized as part of Russia. I do not know what Trump would do in that case.

The Ukrainian government would not accept such terms.

The Ukrainian government will accept whatever their masters tell them. But I don't think that there will be any ceasefire attempts before the "spring offensive". Ukraine claims that they have readied an army of more than 1 million people, and in a few months they will be able to retake all the lost territory (including the Crimean peninsula). There will be no settlement before everyone gets to know who gets the upper hand in this offensive. If Russia manages to hold off the offensive, then in all probability they will get the occupied areas as a concession. If that doesn't happen, then the settlement will be done as per the terms of the NATO. 

[bittraffic]

Joe Biden is already officially running, perhaps you missed his announcement.
Also, one of the strong points about Trump is that he is a natural negotiator, he managed to prove it while dealing with Mexican diplomacy (according to him) and also trying to deal the the leader of North Korea, but it would take him more than being a good negotiator to stop the invasion against Ukraine. Putin would likely ask for concessions and perhaps part of the captured territory to be officially recognized as part of Russia. I do not know what Trump would do in that case.

The Ukrainian government would not accept such terms.

The Ukrainian government will accept whatever their masters tell them. But I don't think that there will be any ceasefire attempts before the "spring offensive". Ukraine claims that they have readied an army of more than 1 million people, and in a few months they will be able to retake all the lost territory (including the Crimean peninsula). There will be no settlement before everyone gets to know who gets the upper hand in this offensive. If Russia manages to hold off the offensive, then in all probability they will get the occupied areas as a concession. If that doesn't happen, then the settlement will be done as per the terms of the NATO. 

That will be a hard part for Putin to take. He is not the kind that will just accept what NATO is saying. As long as Putin has the back of China, this will be settled in a war between China vs the US also. This has been preprogrammed when you see the news all over the world despite China brokering the peace negotiation, NATO says no and gives no solution.

The next election might not even happen, election days could become a 3rd world country chaos since Trump is being stamped out. He has the upper hand but he will be subdued and may cause divide.

[bitgolden]

The Ukrainian government will accept whatever their masters tell them. But I don't think that there will be any ceasefire attempts before the "spring offensive". Ukraine claims that they have readied an army of more than 1 million people, and in a few months they will be able to retake all the lost territory (including the Crimean peninsula). There will be no settlement before everyone gets to know who gets the upper hand in this offensive. If Russia manages to hold off the offensive, then in all probability they will get the occupied areas as a concession. If that doesn't happen, then the settlement will be done as per the terms of the NATO. 

That will be a hard part for Putin to take. He is not the kind that will just accept what NATO is saying. As long as Putin has the back of China, this will be settled in a war between China vs the US also. This has been preprogrammed when you see the news all over the world despite China brokering the peace negotiation, NATO says no and gives no solution.

The next election might not even happen, election days could become a 3rd world country chaos since Trump is being stamped out. He has the upper hand but he will be subdued and may cause divide.

I think it is going to be something that would be easy to handle when the elections come. I mean if there is a situation where Trump can't become the nominee, unless it is the last 24 hours or something, republicans will have time to show someone else for their nominee as well, and that may even work out better because it could get both people who like Trump out to vote for that person and republicans who do not think kindly and maybe stay at home for Trump go out and vote for the new person as well.

This is why I keep saying that Trump getting out himself or losing the nomination would not be ok, but him being prevented to be nominee would give the republican party guarantee to win the election and would be the best thing for them.

[Hispo]

Joe Biden is already officially running, perhaps you missed his announcement.
Also, one of the strong points about Trump is that he is a natural negotiator, he managed to prove it while dealing with Mexican diplomacy (according to him) and also trying to deal the the leader of North Korea, but it would take him more than being a good negotiator to stop the invasion against Ukraine. Putin would likely ask for concessions and perhaps part of the captured territory to be officially recognized as part of Russia. I do not know what Trump would do in that case.

The Ukrainian government would not accept such terms.

The Ukrainian government will accept whatever their masters tell them. But I don't think that there will be any ceasefire attempts before the "spring offensive". Ukraine claims that they have readied an army of more than 1 million people, and in a few months they will be able to retake all the lost territory (including the Crimean peninsula). There will be no settlement before everyone gets to know who gets the upper hand in this offensive. If Russia manages to hold off the offensive, then in all probability they will get the occupied areas as a concession. If that doesn't happen, then the settlement will be done as per the terms of the NATO. 

It is not about the Ukrainian government being intentionally submissive towards the will of the United States and the European Union, but it is rather a question of them not having the military equipment and the resources to defend their own country (which was unprovokedly invaded) in that sense, they are supposed to keep in mind what the benefactors propose to them. It is like a business, in that sense, they may be obliged to remember they are being supported.

On the other hand, the offensive you mention could imply some influence over the political weather in the United States, if it fails Trump will further call for negotiations to prevent escalation, otherwise Biden will celebrate the victory to boost his campaign.

[FanEagle]

I think it is going to be something that would be easy to handle when the elections come. I mean if there is a situation where Trump can't become the nominee, unless it is the last 24 hours or something, republicans will have time to show someone else for their nominee as well, and that may even work out better because it could get both people who like Trump out to vote for that person and republicans who do not think kindly and maybe stay at home for Trump go out and vote for the new person as well.

This is why I keep saying that Trump getting out himself or losing the nomination would not be ok, but him being prevented to be nominee would give the republican party guarantee to win the election and would be the best thing for them.

I think the best thing to do right now is the fact that we are going to end up with something like Trump vs Biden, we already know that but there is going to be something underlying that more than any other election ever again. We are still not sure who Trump will use as their running mate, it could be Pence again but I doubt that he will want that anymore, and he didn't officially claimed who it will be neither.

Pence already sold out Trump and we all know that they are not friendly anymore and Trump will want someone a bit more mediocre because he already got the votes from the further right wing. Biden on the other hand will probably continue with Kamala anyway. This matters because for the first time ever, people wonder who VP will be because that person may end up running the nation.

[Betwrong]

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The president in the end is way more than one person.
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This is true, but only if he/she is not a dictator. Since we are talking the USA elections here, it's true, the president has a team, and this is what actually counts. A team of professionals that supports the president will make things work properly. A wise person can get a team of wise advisors, he/she doesn't need to know everything, the team will help. Voters know it, and they will elect someone with a better team.