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July 10, 2023, 07:06:05 PM
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The thing is that the lottery or every other gambling is dependent on luck because the outcome is quite in two ways, I have a friend who played the American lottery some years ago, just one ticket and he win the prize right now he has relocated to the US for over 7 years now.

So the possibility of winning may be near zero, but if luck is on your side opsl may end up winning, but it's better to limit the number in other not to get addicted.

Your friend is one lucky guy! The problem with luck is that it is unpredictable, it is untrustworthy, and needs a lot of commitment to achieve your target. That commitment does not work for everyone in their lifetime. I have a few friends who used to predict the number by analyzing the data. Even that does not work! A few of my friends made good money while doing the data analysis. What I meant by data analysis is to work on those winning numbers and using a few technical and mathematical skills predict the winning number. As I said earlier, you need a lot of luck but sometimes skills do work.
We have alot of them here in Nigeria who are lotto data analyst their specialty is to analyzed the previous winning numbers, and from there, they are able to predict the number that will win in the present time, we locally call them Forecasters, and to be sincere with you, I've never believed that it is any where near possible to win lotto with such forecasting, many of them forecast lotto winning numbers, and yet, their win ratio is still very much lower than those who do not forecast..

Winning the lottery is purely based on luck and God by your side, analyzing previous winning data is merely a way to just pass time, that is make time run faster.

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July 11, 2023, 04:32:24 AM
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We have alot of them here in Nigeria who are lotto data analyst their specialty is to analyzed the previous winning numbers, and from there, they are able to predict the number that will win in the present time, we locally call them Forecasters, and to be sincere with you, I've never believed that it is any where near possible to win lotto with such forecasting, many of them forecast lotto winning numbers, and yet, their win ratio is still very much lower than those who do not forecast..

Winning the lottery is purely based on luck and God by your side, analyzing previous winning data is merely a way to just pass time, that is make time run faster.

Well, I guess they'll do voodoo as well to make certain numbers jump. Mathematical analysts in Europe know that mathematical events are idependent, and so the fact that certain numbers have come up in the past does not make it more or less unlikely that they will come up this time. To give a simple example, heads 10 times does not make tails more likely the next time, however counter-intuitive that may seem.

So, yes, analysing previous numbers is not for predicting future numbers, but more of a hobby.

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July 11, 2023, 04:54:42 AM
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We have alot of them here in Nigeria who are lotto data analyst their specialty is to analyzed the previous winning numbers, and from there, they are able to predict the number that will win in the present time, we locally call them Forecasters, and to be sincere with you, I've never believed that it is any where near possible to win lotto with such forecasting, many of them forecast lotto winning numbers, and yet, their win ratio is still very much lower than those who do not forecast..

Winning the lottery is purely based on luck and God by your side, analyzing previous winning data is merely a way to just pass time, that is make time run faster.

Well, I guess they'll do voodoo as well to make certain numbers jump. Mathematical analysts in Europe know that mathematical events are idependent, and so the fact that certain numbers have come up in the past does not make it more or less unlikely that they will come up this time. To give a simple example, heads 10 times does not make tails more likely the next time, however counter-intuitive that may seem.

So, yes, analysing previous numbers is not for predicting future numbers, but more of a hobby.
OK, yeah, I think "more of a hobby" is indeed a better way to describe it, or a better phrase to use Grin.

I've always seen people who do this things as jobless, many of them will sit in the lotto shop from morning till night, doing nothing other than holding that big paper to their face all day.
And the most deceptive part is that, anytime, probably a number they predicted shows up in the winning numbers, they are over joyed, over confident that they know what they are doing, where as, it is just fate that brought that number in amongst the winning numbers.

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July 11, 2023, 04:59:06 AM
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Winning the lottery is purely based on luck and God by your side, analyzing previous winning data is merely a way to just pass time, that is make time run faster.
That's right, because lottery wins are based on the same numbers as those issued by the dealer, while the sequence of numbers on lottery tickets is very large.
Anyone can definitely win the lottery, it's just that to really be able to get the jackpot in that lottery, only lucky gamblers.
However, the lottery is usually enjoyed by some jackpot hunters because with only a small capital gamblers can rely on luck to get a sizable win.
Unfortunately the lottery has a very small chance of winning because you have to rely on luck, not experience or knowledge like other bets.

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July 11, 2023, 05:43:20 AM
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Winning the lottery is purely based on luck and God by your side, analyzing previous winning data is merely a way to just pass time, that is make time run faster.
That's right, because lottery wins are based on the same numbers as those issued by the dealer, while the sequence of numbers on lottery tickets is very large.
Anyone can definitely win the lottery, it's just that to really be able to get the jackpot in that lottery, only lucky gamblers.
However, the lottery is usually enjoyed by some jackpot hunters because with only a small capital gamblers can rely on luck to get a sizable win.
Unfortunately the lottery has a very small chance of winning because you have to rely on luck, not experience or knowledge like other bets.
I think that the main thing in general in the fact that a player participates in a lottery is that when he buys a lottery ticket for very little money or, for example, he thinks a lot and calculates what numbers to write on the lottery ticket himself in the case when the lottery is based on this method  , lies in the fact that such a player buys the hope and dream of his changed life, in case he wins huge money.  Of course, this happens sometimes and we all hear or read on the Internet about such cases of large winnings, which amount to tens of millions of dollars.  After all, you can pay quite a bit of money and wait with hope for the date or time of the draw, when it becomes clear that you did not win.  And you buy the next lottery ticket.  And this is such a conveyor of your state of hope for winning.  And some people can even get lucky and become owners of big winnings, for example, as it is written in the topic above about a friend who won the lottery and even managed to move to the USA. 
But whether he will have a really happy life in a new country for him is not yet known?
Life and fate can present unexpected surprises.

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July 11, 2023, 07:03:58 AM
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Because they think that with a price of $1 or a little more than that they can get a big profit but in the end this is what makes them trapped where they don't realise when for example they buy 2 lotteries per day at a price of $1 per lottery for one day it won't be a problem but when every day with false hopes as you said when they want a fortune where they try every day this is what makes them trapped again and again.

The longer it gets the more curious and try to buy more in the hope that they can get what they expect but again it's just false because there are only a few who make a big profit from this.
This is a psychological factor where when someone buys a lottery ticket for less than $1 or $1, he can buy it every day because they must think that $1 is a dime and can make more than $1 every day, week, or even month. So they keep budgeting some money to buy lottery tickets while continuing to hope that one day they will be the winner. They don't realize that it might be false hope but they see that some people manage to win by buying those lottery tickets.

And it's true that cheap lottery ticket prices can make them curious and want to buy it every day until they can win the prize. And many people have used a lot of money to buy lottery tickets for a long time but they haven't been able to become a winner.

Those who bet on the lottery are people who, even though they know it's impossible for them to win, they still depend on luck, what's always on their mind is, what if they get lucky this time. What they don't notice is that they have been doing that kind of thinking for a long time.

They also don't think that out of the millions of Filipinos who bet on the lottery, only one will win the jackpot. Or sometimes I don't even understand their mindset to be honest.
They know that it is difficult to win the lottery, but that doesn't matter to them because they still buy lottery tickets, especially since they only spend or provide small amounts of money to be able to buy lottery tickets in large quantities. And even though they haven't been able to win in this round, that doesn't stop them from continuing to buy lottery tickets because they think that one day the tickets will be the winners. They just need to be patient while continuing to buy lottery tickets.

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July 11, 2023, 05:33:23 PM
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I think that the main thing in general in the fact that a player participates in a lottery is that when he buys a lottery ticket for very little money or, for example, he thinks a lot and calculates what numbers to write on the lottery ticket himself in the case when the lottery is based on this method  , lies in the fact that such a player buys the hope and dream of his changed life, in case he wins huge money.  Of course, this happens sometimes and we all hear or read on the Internet about such cases of large winnings, which amount to tens of millions of dollars.  After all, you can pay quite a bit of money and wait with hope for the date or time of the draw, when it becomes clear that you did not win.  And you buy the next lottery ticket.  And this is such a conveyor of your state of hope for winning.  And some people can even get lucky and become owners of big winnings, for example, as it is written in the topic above about a friend who won the lottery and even managed to move to the USA. 
But whether he will have a really happy life in a new country for him is not yet known?
Life and fate can present unexpected surprises.
At its core this is what the lottery is really about, while in a sense the lottery is just another gambling game its nature is completely different, in most gambling games the chances of winning are not small, so you can win a round of betting with some frequency, however the lottery offers incredibly low odds to win but with the difference the wins are also quite big, so people buy lottery tickets as their only hope to improve their live conditions in a way they could not do by themselves.
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July 11, 2023, 08:08:28 PM
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I think that the main thing in general in the fact that a player participates in a lottery is that when he buys a lottery ticket for very little money or, for example, he thinks a lot and calculates what numbers to write on the lottery ticket himself in the case when the lottery is based on this method  , lies in the fact that such a player buys the hope and dream of his changed life, in case he wins huge money.  Of course, this happens sometimes and we all hear or read on the Internet about such cases of large winnings, which amount to tens of millions of dollars.  After all, you can pay quite a bit of money and wait with hope for the date or time of the draw, when it becomes clear that you did not win.  And you buy the next lottery ticket.  And this is such a conveyor of your state of hope for winning.  And some people can even get lucky and become owners of big winnings, for example, as it is written in the topic above about a friend who won the lottery and even managed to move to the USA. 
But whether he will have a really happy life in a new country for him is not yet known?
Life and fate can present unexpected surprises.
At its core this is what the lottery is really about, while in a sense the lottery is just another gambling game its nature is completely different, in most gambling games the chances of winning are not small, so you can win a round of betting with some frequency, however the lottery offers incredibly low odds to win but with the difference the wins are also quite big, so people buy lottery tickets as their only hope to improve their live conditions in a way they could not do by themselves.

I don't like to buy lotteries, because my luck is very bad for those things, I've only played them a few times but I don't think I have any luck there, what I could play is the jackpots, but let them be 3 figures, I've seen some car raffles that are 4 figures, I see that as very impossible, almost like a normal lottery, things with lotteries are about hope and never expecting to win, maybe that's how luck comes , there are players They are very anxious and they are always aware of the lotteries and they never win, the years can go by and more fans follow , I think that this is Something like having faith to win Some day.

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July 11, 2023, 10:58:47 PM
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Because they think that with a price of $1 or a little more than that they can get a big profit but in the end this is what makes them trapped where they don't realise when for example they buy 2 lotteries per day at a price of $1 per lottery for one day it won't be a problem but when every day with false hopes as you said when they want a fortune where they try every day this is what makes them trapped again and again.

The longer it gets the more curious and try to buy more in the hope that they can get what they expect but again it's just false because there are only a few who make a big profit from this.
This is a psychological factor where when someone buys a lottery ticket for less than $1 or $1, he can buy it every day because they must think that $1 is a dime and can make more than $1 every day, week, or even month. So they keep budgeting some money to buy lottery tickets while continuing to hope that one day they will be the winner. They don't realize that it might be false hope but they see that some people manage to win by buying those lottery tickets.

And it's true that cheap lottery ticket prices can make them curious and want to buy it every day until they can win the prize. And many people have used a lot of money to buy lottery tickets for a long time but they haven't been able to become a winner.

It's just buying 1 ticket but sometimes like I said, even when we've been in a little longer period of time basically 1 ticket is not really enough because we might even want more.
I would probably prioritise slots in this case more than lotteries even though slots also have a lot of conditions that seem the same but at least there are things that can be seen with pretty good visuals rather than having to deal with lotteries.
But indeed everyone's pleasure is different and the possibilities that we think are worthy do not necessarily think other people are worthy too.

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July 12, 2023, 06:17:36 AM
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It's just buying 1 ticket but sometimes like I said, even when we've been in a little longer period of time basically 1 ticket is not really enough because we might even want more.
I would probably prioritise slots in this case more than lotteries even though slots also have a lot of conditions that seem the same but at least there are things that can be seen with pretty good visuals rather than having to deal with lotteries.
But indeed everyone's pleasure is different and the possibilities that we think are worthy do not necessarily think other people are worthy too.
Buying 1 lottery ticket will not give you more chances to be the winner unless you are really lucky, which rarely happens to people. And maybe people who don't really expect to be a winner in the lottery will choose other gambling games, such as slot games. Slot games are also luck-based gambling games; if we want to win, we must have good luck. But not many people can win slot games and earn much money.

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July 12, 2023, 11:06:25 AM
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I think that the main thing in general in the fact that a player participates in a lottery is that when he buys a lottery ticket for very little money or, for example, he thinks a lot and calculates what numbers to write on the lottery ticket himself in the case when the lottery is based on this method  , lies in the fact that such a player buys the hope and dream of his changed life, in case he wins huge money.  Of course, this happens sometimes and we all hear or read on the Internet about such cases of large winnings, which amount to tens of millions of dollars.  After all, you can pay quite a bit of money and wait with hope for the date or time of the draw, when it becomes clear that you did not win.  And you buy the next lottery ticket.  And this is such a conveyor of your state of hope for winning.  And some people can even get lucky and become owners of big winnings, for example, as it is written in the topic above about a friend who won the lottery and even managed to move to the USA. 
But whether he will have a really happy life in a new country for him is not yet known?
Life and fate can present unexpected surprises.
At its core this is what the lottery is really about, while in a sense the lottery is just another gambling game its nature is completely different, in most gambling games the chances of winning are not small, so you can win a round of betting with some frequency, however the lottery offers incredibly low odds to win but with the difference the wins are also quite big, so people buy lottery tickets as their only hope to improve their live conditions in a way they could not do by themselves.

I don't like to buy lotteries, because my luck is very bad for those things, I've only played them a few times but I don't think I have any luck there, what I could play is the jackpots, but let them be 3 figures, I've seen some car raffles that are 4 figures, I see that as very impossible, almost like a normal lottery, things with lotteries are about hope and never expecting to win, maybe that's how luck comes , there are players They are very anxious and they are always aware of the lotteries and they never win, the years can go by and more fans follow , I think that this is Something like having faith to win Some day.

Yeah!  This really can apparently be considered as a faith, or it can be said with a little stretch that it is like a religion.  But there is also a positive moment and it is very important.  It lies in the fact that the very feelings of the person who bought the lottery ticket are quite positive, they are bright and honest.  Of course, he really wants to win and hope always appears in his head and in his thoughts from time to time.  And in this, I think that there is a very big benefit from the fact that mankind has come up with the lottery as a separate type of gambling and lotteries go on constantly and continuously. 
People love it and it will definitely continue for a long, long time.   Smiley

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Have read myself many different takes and I couldn't agree more. I understand very well the probability and math behind it. I understand very well I will in all likelihood never win the lottery (I play the euromillions and state lottery, a subscriber, in fact).

I don't count on winning it. And I don't spend much on it. In fact, I forcibly reduced on a habit, and put the savings from that habit into lotteries. So nett zero impact financially, and a slight improvement on health.

In fact, over the past six years, since the subscription means all winnings are collected in my account, it has actually turned into a minor savings account. Nett loss of course, as winnings are rare and usually just cover the price of ticket, but overall, in my case, I cut down on a bad habit... And have extra savings...

And, as OP put it, the right to dream. It's dumb tax, but I'm okay with that Wink

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July 12, 2023, 11:41:19 AM
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It's just buying 1 ticket but sometimes like I said, even when we've been in a little longer period of time basically 1 ticket is not really enough because we might even want more.
I would probably prioritise slots in this case more than lotteries even though slots also have a lot of conditions that seem the same but at least there are things that can be seen with pretty good visuals rather than having to deal with lotteries.
But indeed everyone's pleasure is different and the possibilities that we think are worthy do not necessarily think other people are worthy too.
Buying 1 lottery ticket will not give you more chances to be the winner unless you are really lucky, which rarely happens to people. And maybe people who don't really expect to be a winner in the lottery will choose other gambling games, such as slot games. Slot games are also luck-based gambling games; if we want to win, we must have good luck. But not many people can win slot games and earn much money.

That's true 1 lottery ticket is sufficient enough to make someone a winner of the lottery because in these games the more someone buys the higher are the chances of that person to win the lottery. Only those people who are extremely lucky can win with a single lottery ticket, and I believe that those people are exceptional few in the world.

The other lucky people also need to buy more tickets in order to have a winning lottery. The lottery games are 100% luck oriented and anyone who is lucky enough will win in those games with far more success than the less lucky people. Lottery games are also luck based games and anyone who is lucky will win in these games and those who aren't lucky will never win even if they buy 100's of tickets.

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July 12, 2023, 11:48:03 AM
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It's just buying 1 ticket but sometimes like I said, even when we've been in a little longer period of time basically 1 ticket is not really enough because we might even want more.
I would probably prioritise slots in this case more than lotteries even though slots also have a lot of conditions that seem the same but at least there are things that can be seen with pretty good visuals rather than having to deal with lotteries.
But indeed everyone's pleasure is different and the possibilities that we think are worthy do not necessarily think other people are worthy too.
Buying 1 lottery ticket will not give you more chances to be the winner unless you are really lucky, which rarely happens to people. And maybe people who don't really expect to be a winner in the lottery will choose other gambling games, such as slot games. Slot games are also luck-based gambling games; if we want to win, we must have good luck. But not many people can win slot games and earn much money.

That's true 1 lottery ticket is sufficient enough to make someone a winner of the lottery because in these games the more someone buys the higher are the chances of that person to win the lottery. Only those people who are extremely lucky can win with a single lottery ticket, and I believe that those people are exceptional few in the world.

The other lucky people also need to buy more tickets in order to have a winning lottery. The lottery games are 100% luck oriented and anyone who is lucky enough will win in those games with far more success than the less lucky people. Lottery games are also luck based games and anyone who is lucky will win in these games and those who aren't lucky will never win even if they buy 100's of tickets.
Yes, 100 tickets do not guarantee that we will win the lottery, and likewise, 1 ticket does not mean that we cannot win, because luck speaks here. But again this is a matter of someone's enjoyment of the game, they will do everything possible so that they can have even one ticket.
But the question is how lucky are we at that moment to win the lottery with only 1 ticket in hand? sometimes things like this seem impossible, but that's how luck works, no matter who, how much, if luck must come, it will come to win the lottery.

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July 12, 2023, 01:02:12 PM
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Yes, 100 tickets do not guarantee that we will win the lottery, and likewise, 1 ticket does not mean that we cannot win, because luck speaks here. But again this is a matter of someone's enjoyment of the game, they will do everything possible so that they can have even one ticket.
But the question is how lucky are we at that moment to win the lottery with only 1 ticket in hand? sometimes things like this seem impossible, but that's how luck works, no matter who, how much, if luck must come, it will come to win the lottery.

I remember a news I read long time ago about a woman who made millions after winning a footbal pool. She had zero knowledge on that sport and his bet was 100% random. And she still won, where experts didn't.

This is not an isolated event, and especially in lotteries many people choose the random option so they are given the "lucky numbers". I use to play lotteries that way, because chances are the same if you select yourself and repeat the same numbers time after time or not. Football was not the best example, but even there news like the mentioned happen, and it reinforces my belief about what you said: that's how luck works.

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July 12, 2023, 01:35:41 PM
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I remember a news I read long time ago about a woman who made millions after winning a footbal pool. She had zero knowledge on that sport and his bet was 100% random. And she still won, where experts didn't.
I think you are talking about the lady who won a huge amount by selecting names of teams that she personally liked and placed them all together in an accumulator which amazingly came through.

That is one way of changing your life. The ironic thing here is that she didn't really like sports betting, but it transformed her life forever.

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July 12, 2023, 02:46:22 PM
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I remember a news I read long time ago about a woman who made millions after winning a footbal pool. She had zero knowledge on that sport and his bet was 100% random. And she still won, where experts didn't.
I think you are talking about the lady who won a huge amount by selecting names of teams that she personally liked and placed them all together in an accumulator which amazingly came through.

That is one way of changing your life. The ironic thing here is that she didn't really like sports betting, but it transformed her life forever.

Yes!! But I would have said that this woman was Spanish, maybe we are not talking about similar cases in different countries?

She didn't like sports but she was bored one day, and didn't found a better entertainment Shocked some would say that luck finds you when you less expect it, but disappears if you actively look for it.

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July 12, 2023, 05:30:39 PM
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I don't like to buy lotteries, because my luck is very bad for those things, I've only played them a few times but I don't think I have any luck there, what I could play is the jackpots, but let them be 3 figures, I've seen some car raffles that are 4 figures, I see that as very impossible, almost like a normal lottery, things with lotteries are about hope and never expecting to win, maybe that's how luck comes , there are players They are very anxious and they are always aware of the lotteries and they never win, the years can go by and more fans follow , I think that this is Something like having faith to win Some day.
Winning a lottery is not something that comes so easily, only the very lucky people get to win lotteries where the amount is life-changing, because the more the prize money is, the more difficult it would be for you to win it. Those who spend a lot of money buying a lot of lottery tickets hoping that they would win the big prize but they ignore the fact that the reward will go to the person who is one out of millions who has great luck.

I understand that having more tickets means you have a higher probability of winning the prize but that doesn't guarantee a win, you can still not win the main prize even if you have 50% possibility of winning because you've bought almost half of the total tickets available.

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July 12, 2023, 11:50:14 PM
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I remember a news I read long time ago about a woman who made millions after winning a footbal pool. She had zero knowledge on that sport and his bet was 100% random. And she still won, where experts didn't.
I think you are talking about the lady who won a huge amount by selecting names of teams that she personally liked and placed them all together in an accumulator which amazingly came through.

That is one way of changing your life. The ironic thing here is that she didn't really like sports betting, but it transformed her life forever.

Yes!! But I would have said that this woman was Spanish, maybe we are not talking about similar cases in different countries?

She didn't like sports but she was bored one day, and didn't found a better entertainment Shocked some would say that luck finds you when you less expect it, but disappears if you actively look for it.
This is why on the time that you would really be making up some bets or engage with gambling then better not to anticipate nor hope that much that you would win up jackpot or huge sums because on the time

that you wouldn't be able to reach or hit up those targets then you would definitely be getting annoyed and worst it would give out stress. On the time that you would make yourself then you would really be making out those bettings like a mad man which it isnt really that recommendable.Its true that there are even 1st time bettors who do able to win up huge sums or jackpots which i have heard that this one happened on lottery too on where winning up a certain lottery game on just having that single bet which its truly that giving that envious feeling towards to those people who had been
betting for years.

Its true that luck is always be the main determining factor on which it would make you able to hit up those numbers even on the slightest or slimmest chance to win.
Nothing is impossible as long it doesnt hit up 0% chance.

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July 13, 2023, 08:20:28 AM
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That's true 1 lottery ticket is sufficient enough to make someone a winner of the lottery because in these games the more someone buys the higher are the chances of that person to win the lottery. Only those people who are extremely lucky can win with a single lottery ticket, and I believe that those people are exceptional few in the world.

The other lucky people also need to buy more tickets in order to have a winning lottery. The lottery games are 100% luck oriented and anyone who is lucky enough will win in those games with far more success than the less lucky people. Lottery games are also luck based games and anyone who is lucky will win in these games and those who aren't lucky will never win even if they buy 100's of tickets.
But some people buy lottery tickets just to see if they can win like everyone else or if they will lose. But it turns out that they managed to win the prize and some were even able to get the jackpot so this is a rare case in lottery games. Such people exist. They have probably never played the lottery before and have only heard other people talk about their losing lottery buys. And it was because of that person's luck that he managed to make him win the jackpot prize so he got a lot of money. But we can't be like him because our luck will surely be different.

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