⚽ Premier League 2023/2024 Discussion Thread ⚽

[Distraction]

It's so dump to see pochettino has not been sacked yet. It'a very embarassing decision from todd boehly.

Pochettino's seat must already be at risk. That performance against Wolves was just horrible. Did you hear what Chelsea and Wolves fans were chanting together during the match? 

However do you think the problem is actually Pochettino? I mean it feels like things won't change very much no matter who they bring to the position now.    Because the real problem is Boehly in my opinion. He isn't a good manager. The only thing he knows about is to spend a lot of money to try to improve the squad quality desperately. I can't say he has been good at it either generally.

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[Godday]

Both Pochettino and Todd Boehly are the worst in the history of Chelsea management, so I will not blame Pochettino as a whole because since Chelsea was initially held by Todd Boehly, this club lost its existence. Plus the decision to bring Pochettino added to the chaos. You know that Chelsea has implemented many player policies which in my opinion, starting from sales and purchases, are unreasonable. Todd Boehly only knows about money but not what it means to own the Blues. For this reason I hope Chelsea  fans enjoy these difficult times because no matter what, Chelsea season in the Premier League is over unless Todd Boehly and Pochettino leave.

I agree with what you said. Pochettino and Todd Boehly have been a really bad combination for Chelsea this season. In fact I think in the last few seasons Chelsea have really made a lot of silly mistakes. They spent a lot of money to buy players who turned out to be just low class players. I don't understand how these agents can cheat the Chelsea management to make a profit from some of those low class players. I think apart from the coaching factor, Chelsea has really made a loss in buying players. That's worse than a team with limited finances getting players within their budget.

[QueenVera]

It was not so optimal as you said. The situation was already bad enough, but it was made even worse by the fact that Nunez was missing. Among the players, there was not a single individual who possessed the skill to dribble the ball and score unassisted. Nunez was really working caused by he was fast but since liverpool doesn't have him play for the club and this has become the main problem that needs to be solved as soon as possible.
Im sure that if liverpool would able to play better as long as nunez and salah was there but liverpool needs to let three points go away from club caused by it was not performing good enough in this match. The situation would be different if there were nunez and salah in the club but since it's already passed and we must move one with the hope to see liverpool to be in a better form compared to the match against arsenal. Liverpool needs to have nunez and salah in the big match against the strong team. The match against liverpool has proven that if liverpool was not able creating effective counter attack without good attackers.
Salah and nunez have become the key owned by liverpool to win any games. Missing them will be another disaster for the club caused by i do know that how important those guys for the club. This is why people are always skeptic when club played without them all.

Nunez has now stepped up on the role as Salah is absent and if you see the game against Arsenal, you’ll know his presence was missed. Yes when he got on the game had a different shape and the boys played more well in attack and that alone shows the effect of Nunez, he's played Salah's role well and i don't think they’ll miss Mo much cause of that.

 I think going forward the partnership of Nunez and Salah will be one great one to see especially as they’re both fast paced players and currently at the top of their game. If these players are both played alongside each other I think they’ll be helping Liverpool cruise to victory. Yes I will love to see Nunez have more game time in the Liverpool shirt as it’s seeming like he’s now overcome his fears and has gained massive confidence needed for a player to succeed in a big club like Liverpool.

[JeffBrad12]

Onana sometimes was lucky enough when the defensive line of mu was performing so perfect like in the match against westham. Even though manchester united was only making 5 goal attempts but three of these have been converted into the goals. I think that onana has been lowering his standard since he was leaving from intermilan.
No progress, no improvement and no more patience for him. Some people keep delusional waiting for him to perform better but it's never happening. Im still also feeling curious how can people be very patience waiting him to make the progress while he never deliver?

The only best solution for this to kick him out from the club. Onana was just degrading the level of club. he was actually useless goal keeper of manchester united. I strong support MU to put him on the bench then bought the new goal keeper to come in.
Onana was not even making individual improvement. I don't see it till now. There's no need to be patience anymore to trust his process caused by he will never ever make it happen.

Mu can be better once onana will be only sitting on the bench. MU needs someone who can perform like vicario on totenham. At least someone who have fast response to catch the ball.

Onana performance has reduced quite poorly since he got to Manchester United and this is quite worrisome. He’s not performing up to the expectations they had while signing him as he has kept on conceding goals. Not just conceding goals but conceding cheap goals and this is a big worry for a club like Manchester United as this is making them look very poor. In the weekend win to West Ham, he was lucky to keep a clean sheet because he had a rock solid defense in that match who were able to cover up on some open tracks for him.

 Well I think he should be kept on the bench a while then hsed in leas competitive matches till he’s able to gain his confidence to stand between the sticks for Manchester United then will he be considered as one of the force to reckon with. Right now he’s just a cajole of himself to other EPL clubs and others across Europe and Africa too.

IMO onana was only being helped by his luck since his career in the professional football. How can someone who has slow reflect like him become a professional goal keeper? it doesn't even make sense to see that. MU has been conceded more than 50 goals and i expect it to be very close to the 90 goals till the end of season.
Manchester is just manchester united. It's a team which has been managed by an amateur coach. I personally consider ten hag as an ameteur coach rather than a professional coach. It's caused by it can be seen from how poor he was managing the set up in manchester united.

Ten hag was also very bad in the scouting the players too. More than 150 millions wasted for onana, mount and hojlund but the result is really dissatisfied me. The only good thing if the attacking line was able helping the club to win the game even though manchester united was always conceded a lot of goals.
It's not acceptable to see that the poor performance from manchester united. Im hoping that united to sort out it all by sacking onana and buy new defenders and goal keeper. This is the only best solution to fix all of issues in the club.
Onana was a flop and he deserves to be benched.

[khiholangkang]

To be honest, i would like to add clown emot but i can't LOL.

Pochettino is simply even worst compared to the graham potter. I would like to call that he was a new graham potter or even worst. Graham potter was able getting more point even it was only 1 point more compared to the pochettino. Chelsea is a fuckin clown right now. I think that it's time for todd boehly to sack him.
There is no place for him in the club again. The performance from pochettino was worst compared to the potter which is embarassing result for sure. The quality if club has been relegation a lot and this is the main problem.

I hope chelsea management can hear this caused by the team spent a half of billion for nothing. No improvement happened to the club. It means that chelsea was only stupidly redistributing its money to get garbage and overrated players.
Some clubs were successfully scamming chelsea to get mediocre player. Pochettino deserves to be sacked as soon as possible.

It's so dump to see pochettino has not been sacked yet. It'a very embarassing decision from todd boehly.

the results of training graham potter and pochetino are not much different. both from the total number of points and in terms of ranking in the standings table. the difference is only that pochetino has not been fired and pochetino has a big name and has coached big clubs like totenham hotspur and PSG.

I assume that Todd Boehly might still give Pochettino a chance to bring Chelsea better, maybe he will be retained until the end of this season, if he still hasn't made a positive contribution to growing Chelsea's performance on the standings I think Todd will also think again and make the decision to fire Pochettino.

On the other hand, Todd may not yet have a candidate to replace Pochettino as coach of Chlesea team, so yes there is no choice to fire in a hurry, I think this reason is much more reasonable, however, it cannot make hasty decisions in this situation to determine Chelsea's future.

[tusandii]

You blame Andrea Onana when Manchester United fails to keep clean sheet, but you praise the defenders because of the clean sheet they had during the last game. Don't they both work hand in hand?
Just to wrap it up, in the absence of Lisandro Martinez, Manchester United defense has got to be the worst defense in the Premier League Competition. This shows how important Lisandro Martinez is to Manchester United. His absence now once again is a huge problem for Erik Ten Hag and the United defense.

I won't lie, I had the same idea but je is in charge, if Manchester United have had a good defensive system that'll complement Onana for
two to three, then you'll see how he gradually picks up a good form.

Actually I respect all opinions about bad criticism of Onana but why don't they try to look at Onana's past and how Onana's performance once saved Manchester United and I also wonder why people still punish Onana with criticism or blame Onana while MU's defense deserves to be criticized. blame it because the goalkeeper does not only work alone to secure the goal but the defenders are very important who will help the goalkeeper to remain safe from every attack.
I agree with your opinion that the absence of Lisandro Martinez is very influential because it is very clear that when he was injured he couldn't perform, his defensive performance was very bad, while Lisandro Martinez was really relied on by Erik Ten Hag.

This opportunity for Erik Ten Hag is also a very tough job to have to look for alternative players who can help the defense become stronger and the goalkeeper more confident.

[JoyMarsha]

If there are no problems that will happen again, it looks like Manchester City will take first place again and Liverpool will only compete to be in second place and compete with Arsenal.

That's what it looks like, Manchester City coming top of the Premier League table soonest after they must have won their next match, Liverpool second, and Arsenal, third.
We might see the aforementioned teams atop the league standings once more in this season's Premier League as it was last season. They are all putting up a strong show that might get them all into the Champions League next season.

[RaltcoinsB]

Both Pochettino and Todd Boehly are the worst in the history of Chelsea management, so I will not blame Pochettino as a whole because since Chelsea was initially held by Todd Boehly, this club lost its existence. Plus the decision to bring Pochettino added to the chaos. You know that Chelsea has implemented many player policies which in my opinion, starting from sales and purchases, are unreasonable. Todd Boehly only knows about money but not what it means to own the Blues. For this reason I hope Chelsea  fans enjoy these difficult times because no matter what, Chelsea season in the Premier League is over unless Todd Boehly and Pochettino leave.

I agree with what you said. Pochettino and Todd Boehly have been a really bad combination for Chelsea this season. In fact I think in the last few seasons Chelsea have really made a lot of silly mistakes. They spent a lot of money to buy players who turned out to be just low class players. I don't understand how these agents can cheat the Chelsea management to make a profit from some of those low class players. I think apart from the coaching factor, Chelsea has really made a loss in buying players. That's worse than a team with limited finances getting players within their budget.

As a result of these mistakes, Chelsea can no longer play at the top of the league. Moreover, they cannot get sufficient performance from the players for whom they pay high transfer fees. As a result, if they do not comply with the financial rules, they cannot transfer players. If such a situation happens, they will not be able to easily regain their old form in the Premier League.

[QueenVera]

IMO onana was only being helped by his luck since his career in the professional football. How can someone who has slow reflect like him become a professional goal keeper? it doesn't even make sense to see that. MU has been conceded more than 50 goals and i expect it to be very close to the 90 goals till the end of season.
Manchester is just manchester united. It's a team which has been managed by an amateur coach. I personally consider ten hag as an ameteur coach rather than a professional coach. It's caused by it can be seen from how poor he was managing the set up in manchester united.

Ten hag was also very bad in the scouting the players too. More than 150 millions wasted for onana, mount and hojlund but the result is really dissatisfied me. The only good thing if the attacking line was able helping the club to win the game even though manchester united was always conceded a lot of goals.
It's not acceptable to see that the poor performance from manchester united. Im hoping that united to sort out it all by sacking onana and buy new defenders and goal keeper. This is the only best solution to fix all of issues in the club.
Onana was a flop and he deserves to be benched.

Onana's criticism from fans is not his fault, but a result of the general team's performance. Onana before now in his previous teams was as good as ever, he won awards and made good name for himself. His move to Manchester United and his performance afterwards surprised everyone because suddenly, he began to concede consistently and it was disappointing for the club as a whole.

 Do not blame Onana for his flops, Manchester United right now needs reformation, their defense, midfield, attack and team management as a whole needs to be fixed. Hopefully, they'd work on themselves and bring back the fighting spirit Onana experienced in his last teams, and maybe by the we'll see the best of Onana once again.

[Oluwa-btc]

IMO onana was only being helped by his luck since his career in the professional football. How can someone who has slow reflect like him become a professional goal keeper? it doesn't even make sense to see that. MU has been conceded more than 50 goals and i expect it to be very close to the 90 goals till the end of season.
Manchester is just manchester united. It's a team which has been managed by an amateur coach. I personally consider ten hag as an ameteur coach rather than a professional coach. It's caused by it can be seen from how poor he was managing the set up in manchester united.

Ten hag was also very bad in the scouting the players too. More than 150 millions wasted for onana, mount and hojlund but the result is really dissatisfied me. The only good thing if the attacking line was able helping the club to win the game even though manchester united was always conceded a lot of goals.
It's not acceptable to see that the poor performance from manchester united. Im hoping that united to sort out it all by sacking onana and buy new defenders and goal keeper. This is the only best solution to fix all of issues in the club.
Onana was a flop and he deserves to be benched.

Onana's criticism from fans is not his fault, but a result of the general team's performance. Onana before now in his previous teams was as good as ever, he won awards and made good name for himself. His move to Manchester United and his performance afterwards surprised everyone because suddenly, he began to concede consistently and it was disappointing for the club as a whole.

 Do not blame Onana for his flops, Manchester United right now needs reformation, their defense, midfield, attack and team management as a whole needs to be fixed. Hopefully, they'd work on themselves and bring back the fighting spirit Onana experienced in his last teams, and maybe by the we'll see the best of Onana once again.

It was exactly same thing with Chelsea from last season, player's they brought in had difficulty playing well and doing very well as they all camin into a team who couldn't thrive at all.
Onana is in dame position, Manchester United are not themselves so far this season, it uas affected not just the player's but also the manager and the club.

Some blames can be sent to him, some to Erik Ten Hag and also has to be due to Injuries that has affected the manager. These Injury crises has also led to worries and the manager has faced difficulties selecting his side.

[TastyChillySauce00]

Both Pochettino and Todd Boehly are the worst in the history of Chelsea management, so I will not blame Pochettino as a whole because since Chelsea was initially held by Todd Boehly, this club lost its existence. Plus the decision to bring Pochettino added to the chaos. You know that Chelsea has implemented many player policies which in my opinion, starting from sales and purchases, are unreasonable. Todd Boehly only knows about money but not what it means to own the Blues. For this reason I hope Chelsea  fans enjoy these difficult times because no matter what, Chelsea season in the Premier League is over unless Todd Boehly and Pochettino leave.

I agree with what you said. Pochettino and Todd Boehly have been a really bad combination for Chelsea this season. In fact I think in the last few seasons Chelsea have really made a lot of silly mistakes. They spent a lot of money to buy players who turned out to be just low class players. I don't understand how these agents can cheat the Chelsea management to make a profit from some of those low class players. I think apart from the coaching factor, Chelsea has really made a loss in buying players. That's worse than a team with limited finances getting players within their budget.

As a result of these mistakes, Chelsea can no longer play at the top of the league. Moreover, they cannot get sufficient performance from the players for whom they pay high transfer fees. As a result, if they do not comply with the financial rules, they cannot transfer players. If such a situation happens, they will not be able to easily regain their old form in the Premier League.

In addition, even there was also a news reported that if chelsea players were regretting their mistakes to join in the club with long term contract.

https://www.goal.com/en/lists/revealed-chelsea-stars-regret-signing-long-term-contracts-losing-faith-grand-project-mauricio-pochettino-tactics/blt2935aa15c99d7737

It's not only fans were also feeling upset but the players too. Even enzo's agent has been also starting to talk about the potential of his client to leave from the club. Im feeling so damn bad with this club. Chelsea is always consistently making a lot of blunders any game. This club is always performing so poorly like there was no bounding on it.
The players were playing individually even some were so stubborn and it's also destroying the gameplay from the club. Pochettino keep make more excuses and this is also affecting the performance from chelsea too.

Chelsea has been trying so hard to make a better set up but it was always failed caused by it has the most stupidest coach who was always rotating the players in any game. He was also putting some players not in their actual positions too.
It was very bad for chelsea caused by a lot of players may be leaving from there if there will be lucrative offer from different team. The won against aston villa can at least show us a little be improvement happened to the club but this club is still having pathethic performance in EPL.

[arimamib]

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It was exactly same thing with Chelsea from last season, player's they brought in had difficulty playing well and doing very well as they all camin into a team who couldn't thrive at all.
Onana is in dame position, Manchester United are not themselves so far this season, it uas affected not just the player's but also the manager and the club.

Some blames can be sent to him, some to Erik Ten Hag and also has to be due to Injuries that has affected the manager. These Injury crises has also led to worries and the manager has faced difficulties selecting his side.

The scrutiny and criticism directed towards Onana may not solely be attributed to his individual capabilities, but rather to the collective challenges faced by the club as a whole. His unexpected difficulties at Manchester United could be seen as a symptom of larger issues within the team, including defensive vulnerabilities, midfield inconsistencies, and overall managerial challenges. Blaming Onana solely for his perceived "flops" would be unjust without considering the wider factors influencing the team's performance.

Manchester United undergoes periods of transition and adaptation, and it's possible that Onana's struggles are reflective of this ongoing process rather than his inherent shortcomings as a player. Just as Chelsea experienced difficulties integrating new players during their transitional phase, Manchester United may also require time and effort to address their issues and rediscover their winning mentality. by addressing the root causes of their struggles and implementing necessary reforms, Manchester United can create an environment where players like Onana can thrive once again and contribute positively to the team's success.

[EL MOHA]

The scrutiny and criticism directed towards Onana may not solely be attributed to his individual capabilities, but rather to the collective challenges faced by the club as a whole. His unexpected difficulties at Manchester United could be seen as a symptom of larger issues within the team, including defensive vulnerabilities, midfield inconsistencies, and overall managerial challenges. Blaming Onana solely for his perceived "flops" would be unjust without considering the wider factors influencing the team's performance.

Onana has had its bad moments since signing for Manchester United most especially in the champions league where they were knocked out from the group stages. But aside those blunders I don’t think Onana deserves the kind of treatment he is receiving from some football fans. He came in with a big reputation which eluded him. The banter thrown a Onana are mostly me because he came in to replace the fans favourite DeGea. The way De Gea was axed for him was why many fans actually turned on him and affected his confidence.

I still believe In Onana coming good for united if they can actually get him to play his pattern. He is more of a sweeper goalkeeper but the defense line of united has actually limited that. You can see that he plays way better when Lisandro Martinez is on the pitch because he understands how to confidently play from the back and gives Onana confidence to play his pattern

It's not only fans were also feeling upset but the players too. Even enzo's agent has been also starting to talk about the potential of his client to leave from the club. Im feeling so damn bad with this club. Chelsea is always consistently making a lot of blunders any game. This club is always performing so poorly like there was no bounding on it.
The players were playing individually even some were so stubborn and it's also destroying the gameplay from the club. Pochettino keep make more excuses and this is also affecting the performance from chelsea too.

I knew players like Enzo Fernandez will definitely get impatient when there is lack of consistency or playing time. In his own case it is lack of consistency, he has Been way too below par and not looking like a player that won the young player of the World Cup tournament. I think if he Chelsea doesn’t get on been consistent we might be seeing departures. The problem now is that most of these players have signed way too long contracts ranging from 7 to 8 years, I know this was to make Chelsea avoid FFP but this was also a reckless decision by some of this players because this will definitely tire them down if they wish to move and the club doesn’t want it

[Godday]

If there are no problems that will happen again, it looks like Manchester City will take first place again and Liverpool will only compete to be in second place and compete with Arsenal.

That's what it looks like, Manchester City coming top of the Premier League table soonest after they must have won their next match, Liverpool second, and Arsenal, third.
We might see the aforementioned teams atop the league standings once more in this season's Premier League as it was last season. They are all putting up a strong show that might get them all into the Champions League next season.

Their defeat to Arsenal was truly crucial. I don't think that should happen. If at that time they are able to get a draw then at least they will share points with City with 52 points. I think it will be very difficult for Liverpool to regain first place. I see that some of City's matches in the future will not be against big teams. City will meet Liverpool in March and at that time I hope they are able to beat City to regain their place in the first place in the standings.

[emrecemsan]

To tell the truth, I didn't know that Enzo Fernandez had a contract until 2031 with Chelsea.  This must just be the longest contract I have ever seen. 

After signing a contract like this you wouldn't expect that player to start complaining and wishing to leave so soon. But this is exactly what is happening right now for Enzo Fernandez. I want to understand him because of Chelsea's poor performance for 2 seasons. But I mean shouldn't you be more patient than the other players with much shorter contracts? In the end it looks like you wanted to play for Chelsea until like being 30 years old. 

[Strongkored]

To tell the truth, I didn't know that Enzo Fernandez had a contract until 2031 with Chelsea.  This must just be the longest contract I have ever seen. 

After signing a contract like this you wouldn't expect that player to start complaining and wishing to leave so soon. But this is exactly what is happening right now for Enzo Fernandez. I want to understand him because of Chelsea's poor performance for 2 seasons. But I mean shouldn't you be more patient than the other players with much shorter contracts? In the end it looks like you wanted to play for Chelsea until like being 30 years old. 

And isn't the bad performance of a team also the result of the poor performance of its players, meaning there is no guarantee that he will perform better at another club if his current club cannot be the key player to his team's performance. So if he felt disappointed with his team's performance, so did Chelsea because the cost the club had to pay to take him from Benfica was one of the most expensive transfers at that time but nothing has changed for Chelsea apart from being just an average team with their performances fluctuating in the these two seasons.
But this is a very long contract, meaning he has a contract of almost ten years, and the news circulating is that Chelsea wants to sell him too because there is a possibility that the club will receive FFP sanctions for spending a lot of money in the transfer market and exceeding the club's income, but the problem is that Chelsea will only accept offers which is high from the club that wants this player.

[QueenVera]

In addition, even there was also a news reported that if chelsea players were regretting their mistakes to join in the club with long term contract.

It's not only fans were also feeling upset but the players too. Even enzo's agent has been also starting to talk about the potential of his client to leave from the club. Im feeling so damn bad with this club. Chelsea is always consistently making a lot of blunders any game. This club is always performing so poorly like there was no bounding on it.
The players were playing individually even some were so stubborn and it's also destroying the gameplay from the club. Pochettino keep make more excuses and this is also affecting the performance from chelsea too.

Chelsea has been trying so hard to make a better set up but it was always failed caused by it has the most stupidest coach who was always rotating the players in any game. He was also putting some players not in their actual positions too.
It was very bad for chelsea caused by a lot of players may be leaving from there if there will be lucrative offer from different team. The won against aston villa can at least show us a little be improvement happened to the club but this club is still having pathethic performance in EPL.

Well it seems the fans are tired already and are mow giving up on this beautiful club. This club has gone so shitty since Todd took over and this is what’s making everyone tired. Even most players are now getting so sad and are trying to get their way out of the club. The players don’t want to be associated with these mess and that’s why they want to leave. Well the club needs a real rehabilitation and that should be done by an experienced coach.

 Poch has not done any change to this squad as his stats says Potter still remains better than him and this is a big worry as he was brought in to help in the rebuilding process but rather it seems the whole process is getting destroyed the more. These players will need a very young experienced coach to get them back to Glory days no matter how long it takes them as they’re still a young side that can attain success at any level.

[tusandii]

If there are no problems that will happen again, it looks like Manchester City will take first place again and Liverpool will only compete to be in second place and compete with Arsenal.

That's what it looks like, Manchester City coming top of the Premier League table soonest after they must have won their next match, Liverpool second, and Arsenal, third.
We might see the aforementioned teams atop the league standings once more in this season's Premier League as it was last season. They are all putting up a strong show that might get them all into the Champions League next season.

Their defeat to Arsenal was truly crucial. I don't think that should happen. If at that time they are able to get a draw then at least they will share points with City with 52 points. I think it will be very difficult for Liverpool to regain first place. I see that some of City's matches in the future will not be against big teams. City will meet Liverpool in March and at that time I hope they are able to beat City to regain their place in the first place in the standings.

Whatever happens, we can see that the players that Manchester City currently has are complete and Haaland will be a big threat to other big clubs in the Premier League and this season, Liverpool and Arsenal have the opportunity to be in first place to dominate the Premier League, but I prefer I'm sure that these two clubs will only be below Manchester City.
Maybe I admit that I am a City fan, but in terms of performance it is clear that Liverpool or Arsenal will not be able to fight Manchester, who are always strong every season.
In the upcoming match Liverpool will have to face Manchester and my prediction is still the same if Liverpool will not be able to withstand the attack from Manchester City.

[ILuckyGuyI]

Chelsea are just a hopeless case now as long as they are managed like this. By saying management I don't mean Pochettino's by the way.    No matter who Chelsea bring to manage the club nothing changes. They were terrible last season and there is the same situation this season also. I relate this poor look to the owner of the club rather than the manager.

Todd Boehly might be a good businessman I don't know about it much. But honestly I don't believe he is good enough to manage a club. Spending insane amount of money and getting 0 result summarizes this. 

[Plaguedeath]

Todd Boehly might be a good businessman I don't know about it much. But honestly I don't believe he is good enough to manage a club. Spending insane amount of money and getting 0 result summarizes this. 

Correct, when he joined Chelsea, everything is messed up.

We've seen many changes on the players, also the manager too, but there's no major improvement and it's actually similar like the last season. So it's either the staffs or the owner in this case.

But in order to see a big change, it should be the owner need to be changed.