Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[delfastTions]

this is usually the norm for crypto casinos now, as much as I don't like KYC in gambling it can't be helped as these casinos want to operate legally and in order for them to do that they would need a license to operate and follow the regulation that comes with the license. it is also why gamblers should make it a habit to read a gambling site's ToS before registering or depositing on a gambling site.

I stilll can’t believe that KYC can be of any use when it comes to cryptocurrency payments.  In my opinion, this only causes harm. 
Firstly, you waste your precious time going through the KYC verification procedure.  And sometimes this can take quite a long time.  Who needs this anyway?  No one!  This waste of your time just irritates me. 
Secondly, all this contradicts the very essence of cryptocurrency as a tool for anonymous payments.  This is the most important property of cryptocurrency in general!  In general, it is sad that the global banking lobby, through laws, has introduced this same KYC into cryptocurrency payments throughout the world, including in casinos. 
Here, the progress in the development of blockchain technologies, in my opinion, has generally taken the wrong and false path.  This is very upsetting.

I completely agree with you but whether KYC can't be of any use in cryptocurrency payment or it contradicts the "essence" of cryptocurrency doesn't really matter to a lot of them, the gambling sites need to comply with the regulations if they want to keep their license.

Yeah!  It's clear. 
And now, when everyone is accustomed to the fact that with large payments in cryptocurrency, and sometimes even with small winnings in a casino, KYC is constantly required from you. 
I’m actually talking about those political forces, probably the banking lobby and the US security forces, who imposed on the entire world of cryptocurrencies the very need to undergo identity verification through the KYC procedure.  And all casinos, and crypto exchanges, and in general all crypto projects now treat this as a necessity.  But these are actually artificially created obstacles to the c irculation of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, which have nothing to do with the blockchain technology itself, but only destroy its advantage in the form of anonymous payments.  And these obstacles are created by specific people and politicians, naturally belonging to a very small group of people. 
They have ruined the entire blockchain technology due to the fact that they want to remain and be the main financial magnates in the world. 
And with the widespread introduction of KYC in cryptocurrencies, they succeeded.  I state this with regret because humanity has missed a great chance for financial freedom.

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[Hamphser]

this is usually the norm for crypto casinos now, as much as I don't like KYC in gambling it can't be helped as these casinos want to operate legally and in order for them to do that they would need a license to operate and follow the regulation that comes with the license. it is also why gamblers should make it a habit to read a gambling site's ToS before registering or depositing on a gambling site.

I stilll can’t believe that KYC can be of any use when it comes to cryptocurrency payments.  In my opinion, this only causes harm. 
Firstly, you waste your precious time going through the KYC verification procedure.  And sometimes this can take quite a long time.  Who needs this anyway?  No one!  This waste of your time just irritates me. 
Secondly, all this contradicts the very essence of cryptocurrency as a tool for anonymous payments.  This is the most important property of cryptocurrency in general!  In general, it is sad that the global banking lobby, through laws, has introduced this same KYC into cryptocurrency payments throughout the world, including in casinos. 
Here, the progress in the development of blockchain technologies, in my opinion, has generally taken the wrong and false path.  This is very upsetting.

I completely agree with you but whether KYC can't be of any use in cryptocurrency payment or it contradicts the "essence" of cryptocurrency doesn't really matter to a lot of them, the gambling sites need to comply with the regulations if they want to keep their license.

Yeah!  It's clear. 
And now, when everyone is accustomed to the fact that with large payments in cryptocurrency, and sometimes even with small winnings in a casino, KYC is constantly required from you. 
I’m actually talking about those political forces, probably the banking lobby and the US security forces, who imposed on the entire world of cryptocurrencies the very need to undergo identity verification through the KYC procedure.  And all casinos, and crypto exchanges, and in general all crypto projects now treat this as a necessity.  But these are actually artificially created obstacles to the c irculation of Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, which have nothing to do with the blockchain technology itself, but only destroy its advantage in the form of anonymous payments.  And these obstacles are created by specific people and politicians, naturally belonging to a very small group of people. 
They have ruined the entire blockchain technology due to the fact that they want to remain and be the main financial magnates in the world. 
And with the widespread introduction of KYC in cryptocurrencies, they succeeded.  I state this with regret because humanity has missed a great chance for financial freedom.

There's no way on getting out with those chains because on the time that the government do sees that they are really that behind when it comes to something. They would really be trying out their best to regulate
everything and since we know that crypto platforms would really be still involving fiat conversions and some banking related transactions then its no surprise that they would really be able to require these business to abide with the laws or rules given which it would really be leaving no choice into those business which it would really be passed up into its users.Somewehat even up to now which there are still known platforms which they dont really ask out even if you do win big amount which they could really be able to release it out without strings attached.

For those new casinos which they do have those alterations when it comes to their terms and conditions then its a bit shady or making out some lock ups without knowing on whats the actual reason
and making some alibi about some violation which it is really that a shit situation to be locked or experienced it out.

[EarnOnVictor]

This is what's wrong with casinos advertising themselves as 'no KYC'. It's just a gimmick that they're trying to portray, and they really are KYC casinos that are trying to market themselves to appeal to a lot of people. I'd avoid no KYC gambling platforms and just stick to the ones that are already known even though they have KYC. At least, they have no hidden agenda in being straightforward with their KYC requirements unlike platform that do not ask for one.

The OP is not alleging a no-KYC casino mandating KYC but was concerned about the casinos that will not ask for KYC in the beginning during registration and deposit but will later ask for it. I don't think there will be a specified no-KYC casino that would do that unless they are in for a scam. I personally do not deal with any no-KYC casino because the risk is too high for me and I make sure that I complete my KYC before even depositing a dime into any casino.

[Haunebu]

This is what's wrong with casinos advertising themselves as 'no KYC'. It's just a gimmick that they're trying to portray, and they really are KYC casinos that are trying to market themselves to appeal to a lot of people. I'd avoid no KYC gambling platforms and just stick to the ones that are already known even though they have KYC. At least, they have no hidden agenda in being straightforward with their KYC requirements unlike platform that do not ask for one.

Agreed. It's the sad reality these days.No KYC gambling sites were actually strictly no-KYC sites in the past when crypto wasn't crazy popular due to which world governments didn't really pay a lot of attention to them.

Gamblers need to invest in any crypto gambling site only if they are willing to submit their KYC at any point later.

[Outhue]

That's a nonsense online casino, that rules should be included in their ToS not their registration form because it will make people think twice before signing up on such platform, also why are you even interested in using such casino? I've never heard about this casino before, why not use Stake or Fortune Jack?

It's possible that some unknown casinos, maybe new ones, are using this idea to seize peoples money, because if you can't comply to their regulatory rules you can kiss your money goodbye, but it's not a crime to comply if you want to gamble on any casino right now.

There is a better way to go about it, just pass the KYC requirements first, and make sure your credentials are passed and accepted before you deposit and start gambling on the platform, nothing is more relaxing than this strategy, no panic about losing funds, and no worries..

[wiss19]

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

Most casinos follow the same pattern, some might not allow you to register if you are from a restricted country but they wouldn't stop you at the registration page to ask you for KYC verification and they will also allow you to make a deposit and gamble, but they might ask for KYC for withdrawals, that's a normal thing for centralized casinos these days.

[pakhitheboss]

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

The problem always narrows down to one thing in such cases, not reading the T&C. Then they come up here, open a topic to make everyone aware how pathetic the named casino is and how they got scammed. Almost every casino that has a licence will enforce KYC to its user. After testing the casino and before making a big deposit it is advised to complete KYC. If you don't then you cannot withdraw. Contacting the support does help but that will take time.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Interestingly their FAQ doesn't list the United States among the countries you're not allowed to play from. I've never seen that from a casino with a Curacao license unless it's something like Stake which redirects you to a different version of their casino if you're in the USA.

It would be unfeasible for a casino to KYC and verify every single person who registers. Some people just want to test the site out with a small amount of money and might never reach the withdrawal minimum. KYC compliance isn't cheap so I can see why it is only applied when you try to withdraw. Even if a site has KYC terms oftentimes you caan still play and withdraw without being asked for documents until you make a large withdrawal or do something suspicious like creating multiple accounts. I don't know how El Royale Casino operates but just to be safe I would advise anyone who wants to play there to read their terms carefully and be prepared for the possibility of being KYC’d.

[cafter]

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.
 

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

The problem always narrows down to one thing in such cases, not reading the T&C. Then they come up here, open a topic to make everyone aware how pathetic the named casino is and how they got scammed. Almost every casino that has a licence will enforce KYC to its user. After testing the casino and before making a big deposit it is advised to complete KYC. If you don't then you cannot withdraw. Contacting the support does help but that will take time.

In as much as I agree with you, I will still point out that, a casino that really wanna be true in terms of legitimacy, should never allow a gambler deposit money without first passing kyc verification, if they know they won't allow the same user withdraw same money without passing kyc verification.

Take for example, recently, the drivers license which is the document I used in verifying my account on binance expired, I believed I had no issue since I've already verified my binance account years back before the document expired, but that same week my drivers license expired, I was to deposit some Bitcoin to binance, but I discovered Ive been locked out completely, I can deposit nor withdraw, I was asked to submit my renewed drivers license, or go through another verification process with a new document that isnt expired ..
And since I was yet to apply for my drivers license to be renewed, I had to re-verify my account with my national id card before binance allowed me to deposit ..

They probably would have just allowed me deposit , and then refuse me from withdrawing, which is very bad if you ask me .

[Jawhead999]

Sorry to hear that @OP, but sadly the one should be blamed is you because the casino already wrote if they restrict Spain in their terms.

I did try to use VPN in a country where they restrict, but I can't access it and they give a warning message.

The website is not supported in this country. We apologize for any inconvenience caused.

The developer might forget to restrict Spain IP address, but we can't do much except contacting the customer service to fix this.

[avp2306]

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.
 

This is why they are prone to commit such avoidable mistake sin e they didn't read  the important details while trying to start playing on a casino. They didn't know that it could save more time for them if they just read the TOS in a day and away from possible problems that been encountered by lazy people. If KYC feature is been ask then its fine as long as a reputable and government compliant ask this since we may have some assurance that they make sure that we are safe.

[BenCodie]

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Most casinos are taking this pathway to be able to maximize profits with the excuse/tyrannic masquerade that "regulations made me do it". It's appalling, and I personally believe that this consistent line of action will be the demise of the cryptocurrency gambling scene, until a solution is found.

I hope that you get your funds back if there is any chance of it.

If the casino did not include KYC procedures stated in their ToS, then they’d be wrong for it but if they did then the players just missed it out and will be left with no other choice but to comply in order to withdraw his funds. If there is an option to send tokens or your funds to other players in that platform who is trustworthy, try convincing the other player to do the KYC for you in exchange for a percentage of your money. Problem is determining which one would be trustworthy to make this happen. But if you are not open for such option then that would be the end of the line before you submit and comply with the procedure. I do hope as well that OP would be able to pull his funds out since he’s no longer being comfortable due to the changes created by the platform.

I would generally agree with you, if I hadn't seen so many cases where even after players do KYC, their account remains locked or in some cases, the account is deleted and support ceases (which then is not just theft of crypto, but identity theft).

It's no secret now that a lot of casinos take up this practice. There might be some that take KYC legitimately, however I think the intent behind KYC is more about the profit of locked balances, taking sensitive personal documents and information, and other shady practices than it is for regulations and legitimacy.

[piebeyb]

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

Most casinos follow the same pattern, some might not allow you to register if you are from a restricted country but they wouldn't stop you at the registration page to ask you for KYC verification and they will also allow you to make a deposit and gamble, but they might ask for KYC for withdrawals, that's a normal thing for centralized casinos these days.

It's true that they have the same pattern in banning certain countries, but that doesn't mean their requirements and regulations are the same, sometimes there are different regulations and requirements, especially as they are always updated, we can't rely on anyone for our money, so it's best to read for yourself about the requirements and regulations in the casino itself and do not rely on third parties.

Being lazy about reading only makes us less informed and detrimental to ourselves, therefore the importance of reading the rules and requirements in casinos is very important. Moreover, talking about KYC will never end, if you want to be safe from KYC, play as a small gambler with small bets. so that it doesn't create problems with KYC, if you want to be a big gambler with big bets then read all the casino terms and regulations before playing and make sure the casino is trusted and safe.

[Drawesome]

Interestingly their FAQ doesn't list the United States among the countries you're not allowed to play from. I've never seen that from a casino with a Curacao license unless it's something like Stake which redirects you to a different version of their casino if you're in the USA.

They even have a USA phone number for support. It could be fake, though.

[ultrloa]

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Most casinos are taking this pathway to be able to maximize profits with the excuse/tyrannic masquerade that "regulations made me do it". It's appalling, and I personally believe that this consistent line of action will be the demise of the cryptocurrency gambling scene, until a solution is found.

I hope that you get your funds back if there is any chance of it.

If the casino did not include KYC procedures stated in their ToS, then they’d be wrong for it but if they did then the players just missed it out and will be left with no other choice but to comply in order to withdraw his funds. If there is an option to send tokens or your funds to other players in that platform who is trustworthy, try convincing the other player to do the KYC for you in exchange for a percentage of your money. Problem is determining which one would be trustworthy to make this happen. But if you are not open for such option then that would be the end of the line before you submit and comply with the procedure. I do hope as well that OP would be able to pull his funds out since he’s no longer being comfortable due to the changes created by the platform.

It's no secret now that a lot of casinos take up this practice. There might be some that take KYC legitimately, however I think the intent behind KYC is more about the profit of locked balances, taking sensitive personal documents and information, and other shady practices than it is for regulations and legitimacy.

Yes some take that because they want to have reason not to pay their winners especially the amount involve is so huge that's why those non KYC compliant casino surprisingly ask that because they want to delay the process and to see if they can find a mistake to user so that they can't pay the amount ask by the player. This is bad action that's why we need to know as early as we can so that we will not ask a surprise Kyc procedure and can make sure that we can get our prize.

[Crypt0Gore]

It's not the casino's fault, this is why beginners need to read T/S before they start gambling on any casinos, if you are referred by a friend you need to ask them if the casino needs KYC, normally they won't tell you or make you go through KYC process like crypto exchanges that will bug you with KYC verification alerts.

KYC regulations are not evil like some people believe, asking for KYC does not mean the casino is trying to rob you or use your information for illegal purposes behind your back.

To keep a casino running smoothly, KYC regulations are important for ensuring fair play and maintaining a fair gambling platform.

KYC also prevent frauds and money laundering, they need your identity to stop illicit fund flows, another thing about KYC is to prevent underage individuals from gambling on their platform.

From now on, just know that KYC and Casinos are one, they don't need to make you verify yourself after you registered on their platforms, but when you deposit and plan to withdraw you will be asked to go through KYC registration.

[ethereumhunter]

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

Yes, that's true but there are still people who think it's not important so they don't read the terms and conditions so they experience difficulties and some even experience fraud. We must avoid this by always reading and understanding the rules so that when we finish gambling and want to withdraw the money, we will not experience difficulties. If they know that the casino will probably ask them to do KYC at the time of withdrawal and don't want to do it, they should not continue with the registration process. They can look for other casinos that even have a good reputation along with other casinos on this forum. That will save him from problems that will arise later.

[Broadanbig]

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

Yes, that's true but there are still people who think it's not important so they don't read the terms and conditions so they experience difficulties and some even experience fraud. We must avoid this by always reading and understanding the rules so that when we finish gambling and want to withdraw the money, we will not experience difficulties. If they know that the casino will probably ask them to do KYC at the time of withdrawal and don't want to do it, they should not continue with the registration process. They can look for other casinos that even have a good reputation along with other casinos on this forum. That will save him from problems that will arise later.

Many people fail to do as you have said here. They barely read through policies, terms and conditions of casinos before engaging and most times as a result of bonus and other enticing events ongoing, they assume that the casino would not be that strict since they are looking for members and they will be at firm grips of their assets but they forget that the casino might the casino is also a business that seeks to gain more profit and in that course would go to any length to secure funds for themselves free of charge and the members that failed to read the casino policies would be the ones to fall prey of such trap. This is the reason why prospective participants are advised to always take their time to read through terms and conditions of service so as not to have any issues in the nearest future with the casino.

[mirakal]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

This might be trapped by shady casinos. As far as I know reputable casinos prevent people from registering the moment they detected the IP of the person belonging to that banned region.  they can even give you a message that the page of the casino won't load because your region is restricted.

We should always read the TOS regarding deposits and withdrawals.  I believe the rules will be clearly stated on that page unless the casino is shady that it deliberately don't list the rulings of KY upon withdrawal on their TOS.

Right indeed. As far as I know, casinos have their set of TOS that we are obliged to read so that in instances that they suddenly require KYC, at least we’re aware that it’s listed on their TOS, and not jump to conclusion that this casino is a red flag. Sometimes, it’s not the casino that is really at fault but it’s on the gamblers that are hunger with profits and are lazy to read the terms and conditions before playing their games.