Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[dunfida]

This is what i expect gamblers to know that the gambling platforms cannot bend down to the gambler's request except if such comply to their terms and conditions, there's no way i will be using a platform but yet insisted that i don't know much about them, if i don't then they are smart enough to fish out things that they know am unaware of concerning to them and then they use it against me untill further proof and informations were given.

Casinos who will do such thing are shady. Because if the platform is trustworthy, they will not use a trick to take advantage their gamblers for something that they're not aware of. It's a common practice for casinos to ask for verification if you win a decent amount especially if you exceeds the limit.

However, this rule should be written on their ToS and they're transparent regarding this. And even kyc is not compulsory at first for new player, they will understand that this is inevitable in the future. So it's the responsibility of the gambler to read the rules to be certain that they understand and agree on the casino's rules.

In my own personal experience, KYC was not compulsary until I made larger and larger deposits and withdrawals from the casino. Especially if you do, deposit then withdraw within a short period of time more often. We can't blame the casino if they check on their users to find out if they're merely using the site as a sort of mixer/tumbler. But if the user is an honest person who merely wants to gamble, then just comply and there's nothing to worry about.

And to this extent, the casinos are being linient enough to that extent because they would have allowed us. To make use of their platform before asking for KYC, but should in case this kyc challenge of a be thing is not what we can cope with, then why not that we make the rightful selection of a no KYC casino to give us the maximum expectations we have ever wanted, but if we think handling and coping with KYC shouldn't be a challenge, then we can use those kind that supports for kyc at our own discretion.

Not shocking or suprising anymore on which there would really be drastic changes along the way on which these companies or platforms would be ending up on complying on whats been asked by the authorities or else then they can be able to have operation so they wont really be having no choice. You shouldnt really make yourself that get shocked on what things do happen because things are really that bound to have chance
specially on things which government could be able to reach about KYC application within these companies but of course we are talking legit ones on here which KYC might be mandated if you do hit up a specific
threshold but if we do speak into those shady casinos who had making use of KYC as their way on scamming out people then it is been known and possible. Therefore, the best way to avoid this
is to stick yourself into those known and reputable sites in the first place.

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[Wind_FURY]

In my own personal experience, KYC was not compulsary until I made larger and larger deposits and withdrawals from the casino. Especially if you do, deposit then withdraw within a short period of time more often. We can't blame the casino if they check on their users to find out if they're merely using the site as a sort of mixer/tumbler. But if the user is an honest person who merely wants to gamble, then just comply and there's nothing to worry about.

KYC is always compulsory to any casino that has a Curacao license. They just require it in random basis but all the account is subjected to KYC at some point of their game. Casino just imposed it during registration process but you automatically agree to undergo KYC once you are asked the moment you sign up and agree the casino ToS.

Do you, or anyone in the forum, know what licenses DO NOT strictly require or enforce KYC on their users? That might be a good tip for those who don't want to give up their privacy, no?

It’s not about how huge your withdrawal but depends on the overall activity of your account since you can be subjected immediately to KYC if you show some shady activity.

OK, it was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep my coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Reatim]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
 
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I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

Do I have to submit any documents when depositing money?
There are no documents needed for making a deposit at El Royale Casino. However, in some rare cases, we might ask you to provide a Credit Card Validation form to ensure the safety of your transactions.

How do I request a payout?
After you have submitted all the necessary documents for proving your identity, you will be able to request a payout in the Cashier section of your account. If you are using your mobile device, you need to go to “Menu,” and then to the section “Payout”.

El Royale is operated by Wonder Play Company N.V. having its office in Willemstad, Curacao. Company Registration number 162233.

When a user makes an aggregate lifetime total of deposits exceeding USD 2000 or requests a withdrawal of any amount at El Royale, they are obliged to undergo a full KYC procedure, wherein the user shall submit some basic details about themselves and then upload the files listed below:

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

Some sites had their Update in TOS in the coming days and that is normal  because sometimes from being decentralized site they are turning into Centralized as the government is asking them to provide KYC preventing them to be abused and used as Money laundering machine.

But this happens rarely , not knowing there are sites that only protecting their interest upon conducting that KYC verification to not letting players take their winning or money inside their site.

that is a complete way of scamming people in legal manner , that is for me is a BS , because  the timing of asking KYC is similar to telling players that they are already scammed lol.

[delfastTions]

that is a complete way of scamming people in legal manner , that is for me is a BS , because  the timing of asking KYC is similar to telling players that they are already scammed lol.

I would add that this is actually a method of fraud, when everything happens completely legally, in compliance with the norms and laws established by the government, and in fact, these actions requiring sudden KYC are actions that actually infringe on the rights of the player.  And often the player simply cannot provide the necessary documents.  And sometimes the casino’s requirements, such as a copy of a bank account statement.  And if the player does not provide it simply because he does not use the services of any bank at all.  And, by the way, there are quite a lot of such people.  And if such a player, for example, uses cryptocurrency, then he will not be able to receive any winnings in cryptocurrency due to the lack of a bank account.  And there are many such examples of fraud. 

I believe that anonymous payments simply should be somehow legalized at the government level so that suchh variants of fraud on the part of a supposedly completely legal casino could not be done.  Unfortunately, this will be difficult to achieve, but hopefully, over time and taking into account public needs, some governments will begin to discuss and resolve this issue at the legal level.

[Haunebu]

OK, ot was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep me coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Almost every gambling site out there(FIAT and Crypto) hates it when customers keep withdrawing frequently from their sites, but love it when customers keep depositing regularly which is the sad reality.

This is why they use shitty tactics like enforcing KYC etc in order to try and slow down the withdrawals.

[blckhawk]

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Yes, looking at at things from an ethical perspective, you are exactly right.

All the casinos who enforce KYC need to do is add a popup after registration, reminding them of the important rules that might get their accoubt/balance locked, for example, using a VPN, not completing KYC, etc.

Though it is not legally required to do so, so they won't. Instead, they'll allow people to register, deposit, play, and then lock the account/balance for kyc if they didn't lose before that (which is why they let them play).

...and people say the casino industry is ethical

I am not a lawyer but I too can understand that if that's what they are doing then if there ever was a case that the people that got their accounts locked out would try and file a lawsuit and they didn't do the pop up or reminder about the KYC then the plaintiff would be able to argue that their clients did not know that it is a mandatory thing and that they could also argue that the casino could have done their due diligence of doing a reminder, people on the Internet are forgetting the most basic about selling a product or services, that they should always assume that their customers are stupid and that they should be able to tell them how their product and service work in the simplest of terms you know 'Keep it simple stupid'.

[Wind_FURY]

OK, ot was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep me coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Almost every gambling site out there(FIAT and Crypto) hates it when customers keep withdrawing frequently from their sites, but love it when customers keep depositing regularly which is the sad reality.

This is why they use shitty tactics like enforcing KYC etc in order to try and slow down the withdrawals.

It's understandable if fiat casinos do that, but for casinos that were built on cryptocurrencies as the foundation, and with cryptocurrencies as an accepted form of "money", then they should understand that the market demographics for cryptocurrency users are not the same as the fiat users. Cryptocurrency users, especially Bitcoin users take the phrases, "Don't trust, verify" and "Not your keys, not your coins" very seriously.

[kotwica666]

OK, ot was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep me coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Almost every gambling site out there(FIAT and Crypto) hates it when customers keep withdrawing frequently from their sites, but love it when customers keep depositing regularly which is the sad reality.

This is why they use shitty tactics like enforcing KYC etc in order to try and slow down the withdrawals.

The problem is that many casinos claim in their advertisements that KYC is not required. However, it is not explained there that KYC is not required only for registration. However, KYC is required at the first withdrawal attempt.
This is unfair to users in my opinion.

[Lucasgabd]

OK, ot was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep me coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Almost every gambling site out there(FIAT and Crypto) hates it when customers keep withdrawing frequently from their sites, but love it when customers keep depositing regularly which is the sad reality.

This is why they use shitty tactics like enforcing KYC etc in order to try and slow down the withdrawals.

The problem is that many casinos claim in their advertisements that KYC is not required. However, it is not explained there that KYC is not required only for registration. However, KYC is required at the first withdrawal attempt.
This is unfair to users in my opinion.

It’s definitely unfair to users. The best way remains to check reviews and user experiences (here in the forum is a good place for that) and then decide if you want to take the risk
Winning or losing consider all deposited money to be lost without possibility of recover. More peace of mind this way.

[Quidat]

OK, ot was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep me coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Almost every gambling site out there(FIAT and Crypto) hates it when customers keep withdrawing frequently from their sites, but love it when customers keep depositing regularly which is the sad reality.

This is why they use shitty tactics like enforcing KYC etc in order to try and slow down the withdrawals.

The problem is that many casinos claim in their advertisements that KYC is not required. However, it is not explained there that KYC is not required only for registration. However, KYC is required at the first withdrawal attempt.
This is unfair to users in my opinion.

It’s definitely unfair to users. The best way remains to check reviews and user experiences (here in the forum is a good place for that) and then decide if you want to take the risk
Winning or losing consider all deposited money to be lost without possibility of recover. More peace of mind this way.

People do only need up a few seconds or minutes of their time just to make some research.

People would really be just needing for them to take up some time on making up some verification whether the site that they are planning to deposit is a legit one or not.
You wont really be making yourself that experiencing problems such as this, if you do really just that made up some research. If not then you are really that prone to mistakes
and might be ending up on dealing with a shady site. It all matters on how well you do make out such search up.

Some are really just that lazy enough on doing so and would be only doing that after they had been wrecked.

[BenCodie]

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Yes, looking at at things from an ethical perspective, you are exactly right.

All the casinos who enforce KYC need to do is add a popup after registration, reminding them of the important rules that might get their accoubt/balance locked, for example, using a VPN, not completing KYC, etc.

Though it is not legally required to do so, so they won't. Instead, they'll allow people to register, deposit, play, and then lock the account/balance for kyc if they didn't lose before that (which is why they let them play).

...and people say the casino industry is ethical

I am not a lawyer but I too can understand that if that's what they are doing then if there ever was a case that the people that got their accounts locked out would try and file a lawsuit and they didn't do the pop up or reminder about the KYC then the plaintiff would be able to argue that their clients did not know that it is a mandatory thing and that they could also argue that the casino could have done their due diligence of doing a reminder, people on the Internet are forgetting the most basic about selling a product or services, that they should always assume that their customers are stupid and that they should be able to tell them how their product and service work in the simplest of terms you know 'Keep it simple stupid'.

On the other side of that coin, the casino would argue that the user had agreed to the terms of service upon signing up, and within that terms of services were the clauses that stated the information about KYC.

It would be interesting to see a case due to the conflict of your opinion and mine here. I think that with the financial and legal powers that casinos have, they would prevail. Or, they would be forced to give the balance back due to the unawareness, but only after putting the claimant under the pressure of a long battle.

[Dunamisx]

This is what i expect gamblers to know that the gambling platforms cannot bend down to the gambler's request except if such comply to their terms and conditions, there's no way i will be using a platform but yet insisted that i don't know much about them, if i don't then they are smart enough to fish out things that they know am unaware of concerning to them and then they use it against me untill further proof and informations were given.

Casinos who will do such thing are shady. Because if the platform is trustworthy, they will not use a trick to take advantage their gamblers for something that they're not aware of. It's a common practice for casinos to ask for verification if you win a decent amount especially if you exceeds the limit.

However, this rule should be written on their ToS and they're transparent regarding this. And even kyc is not compulsory at first for new player, they will understand that this is inevitable in the future. So it's the responsibility of the gambler to read the rules to be certain that they understand and agree on the casino's rules.

In my own personal experience, KYC was not compulsary until I made larger and larger deposits and withdrawals from the casino. Especially if you do, deposit then withdraw within a short period of time more often. We can't blame the casino if they check on their users to find out if they're merely using the site as a sort of mixer/tumbler. But if the user is an honest person who merely wants to gamble, then just comply and there's nothing to worry about.

And to this extent, the casinos are being linient enough to that extent because they would have allowed us. To make use of their platform before asking for KYC, but should in case this kyc challenge of a be thing is not what we can cope with, then why not that we make the rightful selection of a no KYC casino to give us the maximum expectations we have ever wanted, but if we think handling and coping with KYC shouldn't be a challenge, then we can use those kind that supports for kyc at our own discretion.

Not shocking or suprising anymore on which there would really be drastic changes along the way on which these companies or platforms would be ending up on complying on whats been asked by the authorities or else then they can be able to have operation so they wont really be having no choice. You shouldnt really make yourself that get shocked on what things do happen because things are really that bound to have chance
specially on things which government could be able to reach about KYC application within these companies but of course we are talking legit ones on here which KYC might be mandated if you do hit up a specific
threshold but if we do speak into those shady casinos who had making use of KYC as their way on scamming out people then it is been known and possible. Therefore, the best way to avoid this
is to stick yourself into those known and reputable sites in the first place.

Casinos have their various rules and policies that keep each from the way they are operating, you will find out to discover that some are having their own regulations to the best of interest and gamblers are not finding it difficult to cope with while some also have their regulations very attractive to their satisfaction with them beca they don't see anything bad in going through the KYC verification requirements, so it's more of about what we want than what is being offered.

[boyptc]

This is true.

Other gamblers don't understand that they have been subjected to KYC not only for one thing. Because most believes that it's all about the government forcing casinos to ask for KYC.

Yes, that's one. But the casinos will also ask for verification due to shady activities where they can see it through your account audits or logs.

Every user of a centralized casino must prepare themselves to be willing to verify KYC when they ask you to complete KYC, because some casino regulations have stipulated ToS related to KYC even without the cause of your account log carrying out suspicious activities.

The main point is that you have to be prepared for the risk of KYC if you gamble at a centralized casino, some casinos will require KYC when withdrawing and I think it might be the best option to complete KYC on your gambling registration account because your account will not have problems with KYC.

That's like the mind of every gambler now.

We're all prepared to get KYC even if the casino says that they are fine with no-kyc policy for most of their users. And that is because you'll never know if they're going to ask you later on.

As for them, they're also only following the policy of the government so if they say so, they would do so.

[lionheart78]

KYC is always compulsory to any casino that has a Curacao license. They just require it in random basis but all the account is subjected to KYC at some point of their game. Casino just imposed it during registration process but you automatically agree to undergo KYC once you are asked the moment you sign up and agree the casino ToS.

Do you, or anyone in the forum, know what licenses DO NOT strictly require or enforce KYC on their users? That might be a good tip for those who don't want to give up their privacy, no?

Some casino even with Curacao license does not compulsory require their player to submit KYC, they always have this in certain situation where the casino might require KYC from the player.  I have been playing in some casino that allows me to withdraw my funds without undergoing KYC so in honesty I am also baffled if the license from curacao really make KYC mandatory.

It’s not about how huge your withdrawal but depends on the overall activity of your account since you can be subjected immediately to KYC if you show some shady activity.

OK, it was probably when I was being more active in my deposits and withdrawals that started to casino to notice. I wasn't doing anything "shady", I merely didn't want to keep my coins in the casino for more than 24 hours. It's not that I don't trust the casino, it's just because we were given a feature of self-custody by Bitcoin.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It is a good practice to withdraw our coins after we are done with our gambling activity. Casino is not intended to be a safe or vault but an entertainment platform so we must use it accordingly.

[lienfaye]

This is true.

Other gamblers don't understand that they have been subjected to KYC not only for one thing. Because most believes that it's all about the government forcing casinos to ask for KYC.

Yes, that's one. But the casinos will also ask for verification due to shady activities where they can see it through your account audits or logs.

Every user of a centralized casino must prepare themselves to be willing to verify KYC when they ask you to complete KYC, because some casino regulations have stipulated ToS related to KYC even without the cause of your account log carrying out suspicious activities.

The main point is that you have to be prepared for the risk of KYC if you gamble at a centralized casino, some casinos will require KYC when withdrawing and I think it might be the best option to complete KYC on your gambling registration account because your account will not have problems with KYC.

It is now recommended to comply on the identity verification before playing. So you don't have to worry about this when the time comes that you need to withdraw a decent amount as your profit for playing. As I have said before, KYC is now common for centralized casinos since they're regulated. Therefore if you don't want to undergo KYC, then there's always an option to stay away and find a decentralized casinos wherein you can gamble anonymously.

[Wind_FURY]

KYC is always compulsory to any casino that has a Curacao license. They just require it in random basis but all the account is subjected to KYC at some point of their game. Casino just imposed it during registration process but you automatically agree to undergo KYC once you are asked the moment you sign up and agree the casino ToS.

Do you, or anyone in the forum, know what licenses DO NOT strictly require or enforce KYC on their users? That might be a good tip for those who don't want to give up their privacy, no?

Some casino even with Curacao license does not compulsory require their player to submit KYC, they always have this in certain situation where the casino might require KYC from the player.  I have been playing in some casino that allows me to withdraw my funds without undergoing KYC so in honesty I am also baffled if the license from curacao really make KYC mandatory.

What casinos are those, and what's your deposit-withdrawal activity like? Is it very active? Because another user suggested that it wasn't the amount that triggered casinos to request for KYC, but the activity of deposits and withdrawals. But for me, it was probably the amount. Currently, I play Craps only during Sundays, sometimes Saturdays too, sometimes I don't play. So I'm sure it's not the "activity", but I do - deposit then withdraw after playing. I never leave coins in the casino.

That's probably why they wanted KYC.

[Haunebu]

What casinos are those, and what's your deposit-withdrawal activity like? Is it very active? Because another user suggested that it wasn't the amount that triggered casinos to request for KYC, but the activity of deposits and withdrawals. But for me, it was probably the amount. Currently, I play Craps only during Sundays, sometimes Saturdays too, sometimes I don't play. So I'm sure it's not the "activity", but I do - deposit then withdraw after playing. I never leave coins in the casino.

That's probably why they wanted KYC.

Casinos usually don't care about deposits/withdrawals when it comes to small amounts(<$100 or something), but they will care if the amounts involved are moderate-large in size in my experience.

In simpler terms, you should be prepared to submit your KYC at any stage in any crypto gambling site just like FIAT sites if the amounts are moderate-large in size.

[Bushdark]

This is true.

Other gamblers don't understand that they have been subjected to KYC not only for one thing. Because most believes that it's all about the government forcing casinos to ask for KYC.

Yes, that's one. But the casinos will also ask for verification due to shady activities where they can see it through your account audits or logs.

Every user of a centralized casino must prepare themselves to be willing to verify KYC when they ask you to complete KYC, because some casino regulations have stipulated ToS related to KYC even without the cause of your account log carrying out suspicious activities.

The main point is that you have to be prepared for the risk of KYC if you gamble at a centralized casino, some casinos will require KYC when withdrawing and I think it might be the best option to complete KYC on your gambling registration account because your account will not have problems with KYC.

That's like the mind of every gambler now.

We're all prepared to get KYC even if the casino says that they are fine with no-kyc policy for most of their users. And that is because you'll never know if they're going to ask you later on.

As for them, they're also only following the policy of the government so if they say so, they would do so.

Not every gambler is prepared for KYC that is why casinos need to stated that clearly if they ask for KYC verification or not at the point of registration so that individual gamblers would be aware whether they are interested in furthering the registration or not.
Doing KYC on casinos has different levels and.many gamblers do like to do complex verification where there drivers license would be required for ordinary KYC. It is good for us to stick with non KYC Casinos so we can enjoy everything that is attached to it and benefits.

[roksana.hee]

Not every gambler is prepared for KYC that is why casinos need to stated that clearly if they ask for KYC verification or not at the point of registration so that individual gamblers would be aware whether they are interested in furthering the registration or not.
Doing KYC on casinos has different levels and.many gamblers do like to do complex verification where there drivers license would be required for ordinary KYC. It is good for us to stick with non KYC Casinos so we can enjoy everything that is attached to it and benefits.

Certainly, it's important for casinos to provide clear information about KYC (Know Your Customer) requirements at the major point of registration. This transparency helps individual gamblers make informed decisions about whether they are comfortable proceeding with the registration process.

It's true that KYC processes can vary in complexity, and some gamblers prefer simpler verification methods that don't involve providing sensitive documents like a driver's license. Choosing non-KYC casinos can be a variable option for those who prioritize privacy and want to enjoy the associated benefits without undergoing extensive verification.

[Awaklara]

Not every gambler is prepared for KYC that is why casinos need to stated that clearly if they ask for KYC verification or not at the point of registration so that individual gamblers would be aware whether they are interested in furthering the registration or not.
Doing KYC on casinos has different levels and.many gamblers do like to do complex verification where there drivers license would be required for ordinary KYC. It is good for us to stick with non KYC Casinos so we can enjoy everything that is attached to it and benefits.

Certainly, it's important for casinos to provide clear information about KYC (Know Your Customer) requirements at the major point of registration. This transparency helps individual gamblers make informed decisions about whether they are comfortable proceeding with the registration process.

It's true that KYC processes can vary in complexity, and some gamblers prefer simpler verification methods that don't involve providing sensitive documents like a driver's license. Choosing non-KYC casinos can be a variable option for those who prioritize privacy and want to enjoy the associated benefits without undergoing extensive verification.

Such information is usually written but mostly not read by gamblers. It may be quite different when the KYC request is made when the gambler registers an account or at least before making a deposit. so it might sound fairer to gamblers.
because in most online casinos, gamblers who have just created an account can usually immediately deposit their money without any warning to carry out KYC verification first. perhaps as is the case on exchange platforms.
Gamblers are aware when they want to make a withdrawal with a fairly large nominal amount. Meanwhile, withdrawals that may be below standard can still be made without KYC.
Indeed, it would be better if the casino asked for KYC, this is done from the start of the user making a deposit.