Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[Dewi Aries]

It has become a way for casinos to request full customer identification. However, the customers will think it is all just a plan by the casino to cheat them. Casinos should ask their customers to do KYC when they first register before depositing money.

Some casinos are doing this already (recommending their players to do KYC before playing) but it's still up to the gambler since there's always an option to do it later. Moreover, many of us think it's not necessary because you're not even certain if you can gain something when you already gamble your money on that particular casino. Thus, better to choose always a reputable site and take time to conduct a reviews of other gamblers so this way even you are asked to do KYC, less worries for the worse case to happen when you submit your information. But of course the risk is always there.

Yup that's right, most gamblers these days think that fulfilling the requirements of the casino such as doing KYC does not affect the results of their gambling, or simply they think that even though they register in the right way along with doing KYC as recommended by the casino but there are always some gamblers who do not care about this because of the assumption that there is no effect on the results of gambling or simply KYC does not make them succeed in winning at the end of the session which makes them think that fulfilling KYC requirements is just a waste of time.

Most gamblers come just to play and want to know the outcome of winning or losing right away but when they experience problems outside of winning or losing such as poor service issues that make them disappointed or even the casino does not process the following by not paying the winnings achieved by the gambler because they chose the casino carelessly then obviously there is a high probability of regret, and yes I agree with you that it is better to spend at least a little time looking for a casino that really has a pretty good reputation and is trusted by many gamblers because if many gamblers put positive comments on the casino then I think things are less likely to happen.

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[khaled0111]

if you think of it if someone is depositing just a bit of money but across many accounts, it can still be as if one larger player placed a big sum. In fact, people with illegit money are more likely to spread the money across many accounts, sometimes with real people playing for them.

This is exactly why depositing or withdrawing huge amount of money is not the only reason why a casino would ask the user to verify its identity.
I read somewhere (I can't remember on which topic) that some casino pick users randomly and ask them to submit their documents for cross-checking.
This way, even if you use multiple accounts and deposit/withdraw small amounts there is still a chance to get caught.

[mak013]

if you think of it if someone is depositing just a bit of money but across many accounts, it can still be as if one larger player placed a big sum. In fact, people with illegit money are more likely to spread the money across many accounts, sometimes with real people playing for them.

This is exactly why depositing or withdrawing huge amount of money is not the only reason why a casino would ask the user to verify its identity.
I read somewhere (I can't remember on which topic) that some casino pick users randomly and ask them to submit their documents for cross-checking.
This way, even if you use multiple accounts and deposit/withdraw small amounts there is still a chance to get caught.

I can say about sport betting. I tries different casinos, multiple accounts, small and big sums. Sometimes casino KYC you random time. I was KYCed when i even didn`t made even one bet. Sometimes i was KYCed after some matches or odds. Several times even after KYC casino decreased me bet limits to $1-5 - they decided that even KYC is not enough if i win.

[panjul07]

if you think of it if someone is depositing just a bit of money but across many accounts, it can still be as if one larger player placed a big sum. In fact, people with illegit money are more likely to spread the money across many accounts, sometimes with real people playing for them.

This is exactly why depositing or withdrawing huge amount of money is not the only reason why a casino would ask the user to verify its identity.
I read somewhere (I can't remember on which topic) that some casino pick users randomly and ask them to submit their documents for cross-checking.
This way, even if you use multiple accounts and deposit/withdraw small amounts there is still a chance to get caught.

I dont think casinos do random pick for their users to undergo KYC, there must be something that trigger the casino to do it because logically what is the point of casino do random pick of their users to undergo KYC?
I'm curious the one you read, was it an information from official representative of a casino or just statement from a user?
Lets say it is a statement from a user, how do the user know that the casino do random pick?
However I have to agree that KYC is not only about win big or withdraw big amount, there can be some other reasons.

[Sunderland]

if you think of it if someone is depositing just a bit of money but across many accounts, it can still be as if one larger player placed a big sum. In fact, people with illegit money are more likely to spread the money across many accounts, sometimes with real people playing for them.

This is exactly why depositing or withdrawing huge amount of money is not the only reason why a casino would ask the user to verify its identity.
I read somewhere (I can't remember on which topic) that some casino pick users randomly and ask them to submit their documents for cross-checking.
This way, even if you use multiple accounts and deposit/withdraw small amounts there is still a chance to get caught.

Actually, casino wont pick users randomly and ask them to do KYC. All players in one casino are categorized automatically by a system based on many factors into a high risk, medium risk and low risk category.
If it included in the high risk category, the casino will definitely ask to carry out the KYC and medium risk will be required to carry out the KYC only under certain conditions.
So, even if the deposit or withdrawal amount is small, KYC will still be required if the player is categorized as high risk or medium risk category.

[danadc]

if you think of it if someone is depositing just a bit of money but across many accounts, it can still be as if one larger player placed a big sum. In fact, people with illegit money are more likely to spread the money across many accounts, sometimes with real people playing for them.

This is exactly why depositing or withdrawing huge amount of money is not the only reason why a casino would ask the user to verify its identity.
I read somewhere (I can't remember on which topic) that some casino pick users randomly and ask them to submit their documents for cross-checking.
This way, even if you use multiple accounts and deposit/withdraw small amounts there is still a chance to get caught.

Actually, casino wont pick users randomly and ask them to do KYC. All players in one casino are categorized automatically by a system based on many factors into a high risk, medium risk and low risk category.
If it included in the high risk category, the casino will definitely ask to carry out the KYC and medium risk will be required to carry out the KYC only under certain conditions.
So, even if the deposit or withdrawal amount is small, KYC will still be required if the player is categorized as high risk or medium risk category.

Yes, eventually those are the classifications given for a casino, but how do you know which person is eligible to be classified that way? High, medium and low risk? I imagine it depends on what is put in the casino, if it is a person who puts in a lot of money I think it sets off alarm bells in the casino, well that is what I think, because a person who puts in less than 50 dollars , what risk will he bring? to a casino? Unless you use a lot of bots to play, but you're still risking money, that's a given, that's how I see it.

When I look at the rankings I think they will give me the lowest possible risk because it is something that is not very common, but sometimes I lose more than I should, that could be another reason.

[Dakotas66s]

It has become a way for casinos to request full customer identification. However, the customers will think it is all just a plan by the casino to cheat them. Casinos should ask their customers to do KYC when they first register before depositing money.

Some casinos are doing this already (recommending their players to do KYC before playing) but it's still up to the gambler since there's always an option to do it later. Moreover, many of us think it's not necessary because you're not even certain if you can gain something when you already gamble your money on that particular casino. Thus, better to choose always a reputable site and take time to conduct a reviews of other gamblers so this way even you are asked to do KYC, less worries for the worse case to happen when you submit your information. But of course the risk is always there.

Yup that's right, most gamblers these days think that fulfilling the requirements of the casino such as doing KYC does not affect the results of their gambling, or simply they think that even though they register in the right way along with doing KYC as recommended by the casino but there are always some gamblers who do not care about this because of the assumption that there is no effect on the results of gambling or simply KYC does not make them succeed in winning at the end of the session which makes them think that fulfilling KYC requirements is just a waste of time.

Most gamblers come just to play and want to know the outcome of winning or losing right away but when they experience problems outside of winning or losing such as poor service issues that make them disappointed or even the casino does not process the following by not paying the winnings achieved by the gambler because they chose the casino carelessly then obviously there is a high probability of regret, and yes I agree with you that it is better to spend at least a little time looking for a casino that really has a pretty good reputation and is trusted by many gamblers because if many gamblers put positive comments on the casino then I think things are less likely to happen.

Yeah, the whole KYC thing can be a bit of a hassle, especially when you just want to get down to playing. But I get why casinos do it—they want to make sure everything's legit and prevent any shady stuff from going down.
I think it's smart to do your research and find a reputable casino. Reading reviews from other players can give you a good idea of what to expect. And hey, if a casino is asking for KYC, it might actually be a good sign that they're serious about security and fairness.
I recently came across cash app money games, and I had so much fun. It's a cool way to add a bit of excitement to your day and maybe even win some extra cash. Plus, you don't have to worry about KYC since it's all done through the app.

[Rating Place]

It has become a way for casinos to request full customer identification. However, the customers will think it is all just a plan by the casino to cheat them. Casinos should ask their customers to do KYC when they first register before depositing money.

Some casinos are doing this already (recommending their players to do KYC before playing) but it's still up to the gambler since there's always an option to do it later. Moreover, many of us think it's not necessary because you're not even certain if you can gain something when you already gamble your money on that particular casino. Thus, better to choose always a reputable site and take time to conduct a reviews of other gamblers so this way even you are asked to do KYC, less worries for the worse case to happen when you submit your information. But of course the risk is always there.

Yup that's right, most gamblers these days think that fulfilling the requirements of the casino such as doing KYC does not affect the results of their gambling, or simply they think that even though they register in the right way along with doing KYC as recommended by the casino but there are always some gamblers who do not care about this because of the assumption that there is no effect on the results of gambling or simply KYC does not make them succeed in winning at the end of the session which makes them think that fulfilling KYC requirements is just a waste of time.

Most gamblers come just to play and want to know the outcome of winning or losing right away but when they experience problems outside of winning or losing such as poor service issues that make them disappointed or even the casino does not process the following by not paying the winnings achieved by the gambler because they chose the casino carelessly then obviously there is a high probability of regret, and yes I agree with you that it is better to spend at least a little time looking for a casino that really has a pretty good reputation and is trusted by many gamblers because if many gamblers put positive comments on the casino then I think things are less likely to happen.

Yeah, the whole KYC thing can be a bit of a hassle, especially when you just want to get down to playing. But I get why casinos do it—they want to make sure everything's legit and prevent any shady stuff from going down.

Casinos are going way too far with KYC. Some are now asking for video selfies, bank and employment information. They are also holding up withdrawals for months. Some of these players are innocent.

[mak013]

Casinos are going way too far with KYC. Some are now asking for video selfies, bank and employment information. They are also holding up withdrawals for months. Some of these players are innocent.

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I don`t see problem in it. When you agree with their ToS you have to do what they say, if it is in ToS. The same time it is really difficult to find casino with such points in ToS. If you don`t want it - you have to choose the casino without any kind of KYC.
But as for me the main problem that they use KYC when they don`t want to pay you money. I mostly was KYCed when began withdraw big win. And as the result it always was long process to get my money, at least about month.

[shasan]

I don`t see problem in it. When you agree with their ToS you have to do what they say, if it is in ToS. The same time it is really difficult to find casino with such points in ToS. If you don`t want it - you have to choose the casino without any kind of KYC.
But as for me the main problem that they use KYC when they don`t want to pay you money. I mostly was KYCed when began withdraw big win. And as the result it always was long process to get my money, at least about month.

You are right that when they mentioned the KYC on their terms then there is no way not to provide a KYC document. But if they don't mention the KYC document but ask that to harras then I want to say it is nothing but scamming.

[mak013]

I don`t see problem in it. When you agree with their ToS you have to do what they say, if it is in ToS. The same time it is really difficult to find casino with such points in ToS. If you don`t want it - you have to choose the casino without any kind of KYC.
But as for me the main problem that they use KYC when they don`t want to pay you money. I mostly was KYCed when began withdraw big win. And as the result it always was long process to get my money, at least about month.

You are right that when they mentioned the KYC on their terms then there is no way not to provide a KYC document. But if they don't mention the KYC document but ask that to harras then I want to say it is nothing but scamming.

It is so. But i`m sure that in any ToS you can find something like "the casino can KYC anybody when they have some distrust in his fair play". It is possible be far from the beginning, so it can be difficult to find, but when you want to withdraw your prize - you get such a text and point where you can read it. I think that we can`t call it scam, but it looks like cheating.

[Hamphser]

I don`t see problem in it. When you agree with their ToS you have to do what they say, if it is in ToS. The same time it is really difficult to find casino with such points in ToS. If you don`t want it - you have to choose the casino without any kind of KYC.
But as for me the main problem that they use KYC when they don`t want to pay you money. I mostly was KYCed when began withdraw big win. And as the result it always was long process to get my money, at least about month.

You are right that when they mentioned the KYC on their terms then there is no way not to provide a KYC document. But if they don't mention the KYC document but ask that to harras then I want to say it is nothing but scamming.

It is so. But i`m sure that in any ToS you can find something like "the casino can KYC anybody when they have some distrust in his fair play". It is possible be far from the beginning, so it can be difficult to find, but when you want to withdraw your prize - you get such a text and point where you can read it. I think that we can`t call it scam, but it looks like cheating.

You wont really be having no doubts on the time that you would really be gonna dealing with those casinos which are known and really that been having that good reputation on which you would really be that
at least be that confident that you are on the right place. Whereas you wont really be able to make out assurance when you do deal up with new sites or unheard or unknown platforms on which you could really be having that kind of doubt or doesnt have that kind of confidence. This is why it would really be that better that you should really know on what you are doing on which it would really be that common sense that you will really be choosing up those sites or platforms on which does have that good feedback rather than into those new ones or hadnt been heard of.

[LUCKMCFLY]

You wont really be having no doubts on the time that you would really be gonna dealing with those casinos which are known and really that been having that good reputation on which you would really be that
at least be that confident that you are on the right place.

That's the secret, there is nowhere else to run, you just have to do things right in that sense, if we are in a casino that generates trust, we don't have to worry about waiting for them to ask us KYC when we withdraw, because This guy The casino knows very well that things will turn out well when it is done from the beginning, and also because we know it in advance , for Example a casino like Stake.com will not do something like that, it is a casino. that has a lot of trust, a unique and very high reputation, it is a casino that does not doubt anything about its clients, that you have to follow its regulations yes, but it is a casino that does not fail, the years have certified that, so here There are many casinos of this style in the forum, I really Recommend them.

[SATWAT]

I don`t see problem in it. When you agree with their ToS you have to do what they say, if it is in ToS. The same time it is really difficult to find casino with such points in ToS. If you don`t want it - you have to choose the casino without any kind of KYC.
But as for me the main problem that they use KYC when they don`t want to pay you money. I mostly was KYCed when began withdraw big win. And as the result it always was long process to get my money, at least about month.

You are right that when they mentioned the KYC on their terms then there is no way not to provide a KYC document. But if they don't mention the KYC document but ask that to harras then I want to say it is nothing but scamming.

It is so. But i`m sure that in any ToS you can find something like "the casino can KYC anybody when they have some distrust in his fair play". It is possible be far from the beginning, so it can be difficult to find, but when you want to withdraw your prize - you get such a text and point where you can read it. I think that we can`t call it scam, but it looks like cheating.

There are many cases regarding this with now we can't run from this as well because things are getting the worst day by day with the centralized casino can ask anytime about anything and if you are fail to provide this all surely you are going to be in trouble with your wins I already have membership of few casinos and mostly are doing things like these while members are having big wins as they are saying they need to provide this all to provides without these things now gaming is going to be ended for the peoples those are looking for the casinos which have no KYC rules.
Still they are not considering this as cheating because they are also having pressure about many things, and they want to stay in market with their value and all rules which are set by the authorities.

[Wakate]

I don`t see problem in it. When you agree with their ToS you have to do what they say, if it is in ToS. The same time it is really difficult to find casino with such points in ToS. If you don`t want it - you have to choose the casino without any kind of KYC.
But as for me the main problem that they use KYC when they don`t want to pay you money. I mostly was KYCed when began withdraw big win. And as the result it always was long process to get my money, at least about month.

You are right that when they mentioned the KYC on their terms then there is no way not to provide a KYC document. But if they don't mention the KYC document but ask that to harras then I want to say it is nothing but scamming.

It is so. But i`m sure that in any ToS you can find something like "the casino can KYC anybody when they have some distrust in his fair play". It is possible be far from the beginning, so it can be difficult to find, but when you want to withdraw your prize - you get such a text and point where you can read it. I think that we can`t call it scam, but it looks like cheating.

This is the pattern many casinos use to deceive their players and we should not be surprised about that. They will start it like KYC is never necessary to play bet on their casino but one would be surprised to see that KYC actually necessary when you want to make withdrawals. Sometimes when a Casino notices that a new player had a huge winning, they would they many attempt to ask for documents that would be very hard to get or submit by the user. Although not all casinos behaves like this but one need to be conscious on this kind it trick that is being exhibited by bad casinos.

[xLays]

Another case of a casino asking for KYC before you can withdraw: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5494948.0;all

What's happening in casinos now? Bc.game no longer accepts Driver's licenses and Postal IDs as valid documents for KYC verification. It used to be okay; they accepted those before, but now they don't. The player who's complaining has been a long-time player of bc.game, but now that they've won a large sum of money, they're being asked for other documents like a passport for verification.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I have discussed that with my girlfriend for example, from the beginning of our relationship I confronted her about my gambling habits truthfully, happily she was okay with it as she understood me, we gamble together now from time to time and I can say it is way more fun to gamble with someone you know.
I think you should know the person a lot to open up about these things in order to understand how that person thinks and how he sees things first. And it depends on people, you can't also blame anyone on how he thinks.

It's very nice that your girlfriend understands you in your activities, and even if she doesn't understand you, I think you should always maintain your position , because that's the only thing that makes us more affable, when I'm not talking about playing I say it, I don't really care who approves it and who doesn't, honestly that doesn't matter to me first because you spend it and second because it is with my money that I play, no one tells me, it takes 500usd to Spend Nobody in the casino, but things should always be like this, maybe people see gambling as a bad habit, but what does it matter ? What matters , what matters is that one as a person is happy, as long as one does not Generate bad things towards Others around us.

[mak013]

It is so. But i`m sure that in any ToS you can find something like "the casino can KYC anybody when they have some distrust in his fair play". It is possible be far from the beginning, so it can be difficult to find, but when you want to withdraw your prize - you get such a text and point where you can read it. I think that we can`t call it scam, but it looks like cheating.

You wont really be having no doubts on the time that you would really be gonna dealing with those casinos which are known and really that been having that good reputation on which you would really be that
at least be that confident that you are on the right place. Whereas you wont really be able to make out assurance when you do deal up with new sites or unheard or unknown platforms on which you could really be having that kind of doubt or doesnt have that kind of confidence. This is why it would really be that better that you should really know on what you are doing on which it would really be that common sense that you will really be choosing up those sites or platforms on which does have that good feedback rather than into those new ones or hadnt been heard of.

Most time it is casino with KYC. For me it is not a problem, but lots of gamblers here don`t like it. But you are right - well known casinos rare has such problems.

It is so. But i`m sure that in any ToS you can find something like "the casino can KYC anybody when they have some distrust in his fair play". It is possible be far from the beginning, so it can be difficult to find, but when you want to withdraw your prize - you get such a text and point where you can read it. I think that we can`t call it scam, but it looks like cheating.

There are many cases regarding this with now we can't run from this as well because things are getting the worst day by day with the centralized casino can ask anytime about anything and if you are fail to provide this all surely you are going to be in trouble with your wins I already have membership of few casinos and mostly are doing things like these while members are having big wins as they are saying they need to provide this all to provides without these things now gaming is going to be ended for the peoples those are looking for the casinos which have no KYC rules.
Still they are not considering this as cheating because they are also having pressure about many things, and they want to stay in market with their value and all rules which are set by the authorities.

Yep, they have such opportunity and it can`t be called cheating due to the ToS. But when we see how casino uses it - it is about cheating.

It is so. But i`m sure that in any ToS you can find something like "the casino can KYC anybody when they have some distrust in his fair play". It is possible be far from the beginning, so it can be difficult to find, but when you want to withdraw your prize - you get such a text and point where you can read it. I think that we can`t call it scam, but it looks like cheating.

This is the pattern many casinos use to deceive their players and we should not be surprised about that. They will start it like KYC is never necessary to play bet on their casino but one would be surprised to see that KYC actually necessary when you want to make withdrawals. Sometimes when a Casino notices that a new player had a huge winning, they would they many attempt to ask for documents that would be very hard to get or submit by the user. Although not all casinos behaves like this but one need to be conscious on this kind it trick that is being exhibited by bad casinos.

Few weeks ago i`ve got interesting situation. I won big prize with the odd about 7.5 and was KYCed. I proved myself and as the result the casino just returned me my bet, because "they don`t sure that it wasn`t inside information".

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Another case of a casino asking for KYC before you can withdraw: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5494948.0;all

What's happening in casinos now? Bc.game no longer accepts Driver's licenses and Postal IDs as valid documents for KYC verification. It used to be okay; they accepted those before, but now they don't. The player who's complaining has been a long-time player of bc.game, but now that they've won a large sum of money, they're being asked for other documents like a passport for verification.

This is absolutely nothing to be surprised about, don't talk as if this is just starting now, things like this have been from a very long time, most casinos, especially the smaller ones won't hesitate to look for every means possible to frustrate any of their players who manages to win a fraction of what they have in previous times; lost to the casino back, it's no news that the management of some casinos are so damn greedy that all they wanna just see is people losing their money to them and they eat and grow fat.

This is not peculiar to bc.game though, it's something is general with most casino, for some users, they can win and withdraw easily, that means they are in luck all round, but for others, they have to pass through such frustration from the casino before they get their money out, if actually the casino doesnt end up scamming the player off his or her hard winnings in the disguise that the user was not able to provide the exact personal document they(the casino) requested or asked for, very pathetic.

And I think to be on the safer side while dealing with all this online activities, I think it's best for people to have all this forms of documents ready for whenever any will be needed, that is, having the drivers license, the national ID card, the passport, and what ever type of documents casinos are likely to ask for, have them ready for times when they go crazy with kyc.

[ultrloa]

I have discussed that with my girlfriend for example, from the beginning of our relationship I confronted her about my gambling habits truthfully, happily she was okay with it as she understood me, we gamble together now from time to time and I can say it is way more fun to gamble with someone you know.
I think you should know the person a lot to open up about these things in order to understand how that person thinks and how he sees things first. And it depends on people, you can't also blame anyone on how he thinks.

It's very nice that your girlfriend understands you in your activities, and even if she doesn't understand you, I think you should always maintain your position , because that's the only thing that makes us more affable, when I'm not talking about playing I say it, I don't really care who approves it and who doesn't, honestly that doesn't matter to me first because you spend it and second because it is with my money that I play, no one tells me, it takes 500usd to Spend Nobody in the casino, but things should always be like this, maybe people see gambling as a bad habit, but what does it matter ? What matters , what matters is that one as a person is happy, as long as one does not Generate bad things towards Others around us.

For sure people will understand if you didn't hide anything from her and try to tell those activities that you have done so she will not get surprised to see you participating on any of that activities. Then leave some statement that you are just enjoying yourself with those game you play and give a assurance there's nothing bad will happen to you while participating on those gambling activities. A proper discussion will result to any positive approach so don't hide anything and just be open to your partner about what you are doing.

Another case of a casino asking for KYC before you can withdraw: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5494948.0;all

What's happening in casinos now? Bc.game no longer accepts Driver's licenses and Postal IDs as valid documents for KYC verification. It used to be okay; they accepted those before, but now they don't. The player who's complaining has been a long-time player of bc.game, but now that they've won a large sum of money, they're being asked for other documents like a passport for verification.

This is absolutely nothing to be surprised about, don't talk as if this is just starting now, things like this have been from a very long time, most casinos, especially the smaller ones won't hesitate to look for every means possible to frustrate any of their players who manages to win a fraction of what they have in previous times; lost to the casino back, it's no news that the management of some casinos are so damn greedy that all they wanna just see is people losing their money to them and they eat and grow fat.

Well if they make all things complicated to their players then I guess they will be out of the business soon as their players will not go back to them especially if they implement something that can make their life so hard for getting their funds. What they did is somehow not a good action or decision since for not accepting drivers license for sure there will be a lot of people will get disappointed with that and some may think that it seems like they don't want their players to withdraw their money on their casino.