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December 07, 2023, 06:32:14 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Well, you are right, most gamblers are very lazy in terms of reading, I myself too sometimes fail to read terms and conditions of a casino before or after joining, I just go ahead, deposit and start playing there.
But the difference I believe is that, I am always ready for what ever comes, be it kyc or what ever.

In the nutshell, I personally believe that every gambler should always be ready for kyc, most especially, if as a gambler, you are playing on a casino that is registered and has a operating license, this I believe have nothing to do with whether the gambler reads the casino's terms and conditions or not, 99 percent of all licensed casino's are all kyc compliant.

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December 07, 2023, 06:55:37 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Well, you are right, most gamblers are very lazy in terms of reading, I myself too sometimes fail to read terms and conditions of a casino before or after joining, I just go ahead, deposit and start playing there.
But the difference I believe is that, I am always ready for what ever comes, be it kyc or what ever.

In the nutshell, I personally believe that every gambler should always be ready for kyc, most especially, if as a gambler, you are playing on a casino that is registered and has a operating license, this I believe have nothing to do with whether the gambler reads the casino's terms and conditions or not, 99 percent of all licensed casino's are all kyc compliant.
To be honest, 99% of websites have ToS that gives them all the rights to do whatever they want once you register and create account. I once read whole ToS page of Coinbase because I couldn't believe what I heard about their terms from forum members and then I lost my mind Cheesy I think, for many people, it doesn't make any sense to read ToS because if you want to gamble, you'll register anyway but you may face surprises on the way. Overall, to my mind, this business is mostly based on trust instead of ToS. If there is a casino that rarely asks for KYC and doesn't have problem with withdrawals, people choose them because they get recommendation from their friends or discover them on forums like Bitcointalk and Reddit, or on other social media websites.


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December 07, 2023, 07:01:06 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.

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December 07, 2023, 07:47:35 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers because in the end, it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.
I don't know if the inability of gamblers to read the terms and conditions of casinos is due to laziness or what have but to be frank with us,  it saves a whole lot to take that stress to read them through before considering opening an account on those casinos,  just like many member have mentioned already,  many times the problem most of the casino users encounter could have been avoided if they put in the extra efforts to read through those denouement's and getting themselves use to them to be able to navigate through every challenge that may come along the way.
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December 07, 2023, 09:02:25 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers because in the end, it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.
I don't know if the inability of gamblers to read the terms and conditions of casinos is due to laziness or what have but to be frank with us,  it saves a whole lot to take that stress to read them through before considering opening an account on those casinos,  just like many member have mentioned already,  many times the problem most of the casino users encounter could have been avoided if they put in the extra efforts to read through those denouement's and getting themselves use to them to be able to navigate through every challenge that may come along the way.

Well, as far as I am concerned, I have always seen KYC as a mandatory procedure to be able to comply with the regulatory or licensing requirements of casinos, because for me KYC means only that, and in fact in crypto they should not request no type of identification, do as before, that only the user's ID was enough to do everything, now everything is trying to involve many controlling agents, which is not good because always something that enters a government is not good, However, as I have said, it must be complied with, but since we are people who also have things to do and many experiences to live in the casino, it is good that the most reliable things and those that we like are met so that the requirement is met. of KYC, therefore when we do it only in our favorite sites it is different, because we already know more what the casino is like and many users have had this type of porbelma in casinos that are relatively new.

The casinos that are relatively new, at least I refrain from doing any activity there, because I know that they request KYC, and until I have a high degree of trust and reputation, I do not deposit in that casino, because the truth is I don't trust it, and with that I save myself the problem that other players have that when they deposit, everything is fine, but when it comes to withdrawing at least $100 it is not possible because they have to comply with the KYC requirement, and if it is not met, it is not possible. There is money, so it is something that makes the player stuck there and it is not beneficial, because the withdrawal process should be immediate, as it was before they implemented KYC, that is why it is necessary that we have a vision of what They are the casinos in which we want to live, have a good time and have a very good experience, otherwise it is better to stay still until we achieve it and expand to more, of course is my advice.

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December 07, 2023, 09:57:07 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.

That is the main problem why many gamblers are having problem with casinos. They are in a hurry to register, deposit and play without realizing the importance of knowing the terms and condition of the casino.  Many of them thinks that TOS of every casino is the same which is a very wrong assumption.  They might be somehow identical but there are always a distinctive rule that separates each casino form the other.  Knowing these rules is a must in order for any gambler to avoid troubles.

Besides, many gamblers sometimes experience unwritten or vague rules imposed by the casino such as using VPN and TOR.  A gambler who often uses that application should make a clear inquiry about the legality of the use of those software when playing in a casino so it is better to ask the support stuff about it.

Breaking these vague rules often ends up in an account suspension and possible KYC procedure in under the AML.

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December 07, 2023, 11:25:34 PM
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Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.
If the user is too lazy to read the terms and conditions of the service he is willing to use, then there will be no one else to blame but him if his account gets banned because he unknowingly breached one of those terms. When you sign up on any platform you will have to confirm that you have read the ToS and agree to them.
I wouldn't call it "taking advantage" when a casino asks a user to verify his identity as long as they make it clear in their terms that they may do it.

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December 08, 2023, 06:14:53 AM
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Well, as far as I am concerned, I have always seen KYC as a mandatory procedure to be able to comply with the regulatory or licensing requirements of casinos, because for me KYC means only that, and in fact in crypto they should not request no type of identification, do as before, that only the user's ID was enough to do everything, now everything is trying to involve many controlling agents, which is not good because always something that enters a government is not good, However, as I have said, it must be complied with, but since we are people who also have things to do and many experiences to live in the casino, it is good that the most reliable things and those that we like are met so that the requirement is met. of KYC, therefore when we do it only in our favorite sites it is different, because we already know more what the casino is like and many users have had this type of porbelma in casinos that are relatively new.
Yeah,  kyc shouldn't be a mandatory requirement for cryptocurrency users in casinos and that the reason why most reputable casino most time look away from kyc for crypto users unless on a strange cases where it become obvious that the gambler have clearly violate the rules as stated in the anti money laundering regulation a d other regulatory compliance document,  much more so,  going through kyc process at the beginning of account creation while on a reputable casino is what I have done severally since I have nothing to fear for handing out my documents for verification since I know my informations are safe with them at all time,  but if on a casino that I have know much info on their reputation and have my reservations about them,  I will try as much as possible to gamble within the none kyc stipulated rules and making sure I never have any reason to go through kyc on those site.
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The casinos that are relatively new, at least I refrain from doing any activity there, because I know that they request KYC, and until I have a high degree of trust and reputation, I do not deposit in that casino, because the truth is I don't trust it, and with that I save myself the problem that other players have that when they deposit, everything is fine, but when it comes to withdrawing at least $100 it is not possible because they have to comply with the KYC requirement, and if it is not met, it is not possible. There is money, so it is something that makes the player stuck there and it is not beneficial, because the withdrawal process should be immediate, as it was before they implemented KYC, that is why it is necessary that we have a vision of what They are the casinos in which we want to live, have a good time and have a very good experience, otherwise it is better to stay still until we achieve it and expand to more, of course is my advice.
Exactly my point and mode of actions when visiting newly launched casinos,  and when I say newly launched I don't necessarily mean a casino that is just created,  but any casino that fall between the the age bracket pf one to two year of operation os still very new to me and I will rather avoid doing kyc on them,  unless I have been proven beyond measure of their ability to protect my documents or even securing my accounts if there be any case with hack on the casino,  better to totally avoid them if and when you think all is not right with them at that point.
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December 08, 2023, 01:06:24 PM
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Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.
If the user is too lazy to read the terms and conditions of the service he is willing to use, then there will be no one else to blame but him if his account gets banned because he unknowingly breached one of those terms. When you sign up on any platform you will have to confirm that you have read the ToS and agree to them.
I wouldn't call it "taking advantage" when a casino asks a user to verify his identity as long as they make it clear in their terms that they may do it.

They can't complain if the are lazy to read the casino's term and condition. Since this is the first thing needed to do by anyone so that they would know what are the set rules done by a casino. That's why some people on their dispute because later on they find out violating something against on the casino rules so if they don't want to be in this position then they should be aware on any written there and became a responsible gambler which is knowledgeable on anything important especially on those things needed to avoid.

There's no taking advantage when there's rules written and they failed to follow that because they didn't read the TOS that's why its really needed to be knowledgeable on everything especially if the casino ask this KYC so that we are aware that this will be ask then be prepared on this requirements if asked.

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December 08, 2023, 01:41:08 PM
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Rather than giving the casino what it needs when asking for it at the time of withdrawal, it is clearly better to give it immediately from the start so that whatever happens we can handle it immediately.
I totally agree with you on what you just said above, because apart from checking for which casino offers a KYC free usage or not, another good criteria gamblers needs to check out for is "reputation", while obeying all casino rules, because one clear fact that I know is that a legit casino can never deny you your withdrawal, inasmuch as you are not gambling from a restricted area, and you were able to provide all needed credentials, your withdrawal will definitely be honoured. But just that it could take time, which is why it's best to do what "Hirose UK" just said above, so as to be on the safer side.
That is why it is highly recommended to use reputable casino because they always prioritize service to all customers and nothing is hidden from customers, including any existing regulations.
Reputation and customer trust can be used as guarantee that the casino can be trusted and is truly worthy of use without the need to worry about fraud and manipulation.
Regarding KYC, just look at almost all trusted casinos, they always include high-fives that there are KYC requirements if needed, it means they ask for it.
When we first register, we can immediately provide KYC and later the team will also easily check and resolve any complaints or problems that occur.
But unfortunately some gamblers consider KYC to be scary requirement and quite few avoid it.
But I sure that as time goes by all gamblers will provide KYC to the casinos they use because KYC will be determined as whole and this also happens because of the many cases of money laundering.

Even shady casinos always ask for KYC if customer gets big win and this KYC request aims to prevent customers from being able to withdraw their winnings and complicates the whole process.
And a good example of it is 1xbit, 1xbet and e.t.c, that will never ask for KYC while depositing and losing your bets, but the very moment you win huge, you start having one problem or the other, so as to avoid paying you your rightful winning.
Well, clear example of some of the names of these casinos are scam casinos.
They ask for KYC for withdrawals but in the end will freeze the account and not complete the withdrawal made by the customer.
From this it can also be concluded that KYC is not guarantee that the casino that requests it will not commit fraud because KYC is only requirement that is needed in certain cases, not benchmark that the casino can be trusted.
But by the way, these two casino names seem to still be active out there and it do that some promotions on every social media link sports betting or football team.

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December 08, 2023, 05:22:31 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.

That is the main problem why many gamblers are having problem with casinos. They are in a hurry to register, deposit and play without realizing the importance of knowing the terms and condition of the casino.  Many of them thinks that TOS of every casino is the same which is a very wrong assumption.  They might be somehow identical but there are always a distinctive rule that separates each casino form the other.  Knowing these rules is a must in order for any gambler to avoid troubles.

Besides, many gamblers sometimes experience unwritten or vague rules imposed by the casino such as using VPN and TOR.  A gambler who often uses that application should make a clear inquiry about the legality of the use of those software when playing in a casino so it is better to ask the support stuff about it.

Breaking these vague rules often ends up in an account suspension and possible KYC procedure in under the AML.

Besides that, if the amount the gambler has won is huge then he shouldn't mind in providing the KYC to get the profits.
I know some people are hesitant in providing KYC to 3rd party sites but if a huge amount is involved then we have to do it.
Unless a gambler is using money from illicit activities, I personally think, he shouldn't mind in providing the KYC.

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December 08, 2023, 06:11:29 PM
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Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.
If the user is too lazy to read the terms and conditions of the service he is willing to use, then there will be no one else to blame but him if his account gets banned because he unknowingly breached one of those terms. When you sign up on any platform you will have to confirm that you have read the ToS and agree to them.
I wouldn't call it "taking advantage" when a casino asks a user to verify his identity as long as they make it clear in their terms that they may do it.
We often see gamblers complaining that their account has been blocked by a gambling site, but a deeper investigation into their complaint reveals that the gambler has unknowingly violated the T&C of the gambling site. So if a gambler ignores reading the T&C due to laziness then the result is bad later. Also in many cases gambling sites with bad reputation change the T&C without informing their customers to cheat the gamblers.

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December 08, 2023, 06:33:16 PM
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Gamblers do not even try to read the T&C properly while creating an account on the gambling site, so that they face many problems later on. However, many casinos do not make KYC mandatory on their sites, but they add their T&Cs that they can ask any of their customers to kyc at any time if the gambler's activities are suspicious. So here the gambling sites take advantage of the gamblers, because in the end it is the gambling sites that prove themselves right due to the careless nature of the gamblers.
If the user is too lazy to read the terms and conditions of the service he is willing to use, then there will be no one else to blame but him if his account gets banned because he unknowingly breached one of those terms. When you sign up on any platform you will have to confirm that you have read the ToS and agree to them.
I wouldn't call it "taking advantage" when a casino asks a user to verify his identity as long as they make it clear in their terms that they may do it.

It can be called a global phenomenon because I am almost certain that the vast majority of those registered on gambling platforms do not read the terms of use and do not pay attention to them. Some smart people will go to the forums to ask about Kyc terms or withdrawal fees only.

I agree with you that in this case we cannot blame the platform system if it freezes an account that violates the stipulated terms of use, but it must also be pointed out that some platforms take advantage of users’ negligence to change the terms of use without notice or even with notice as long as everyone does not read. Also, what is happening gives the green light for the platforms to manipulate these conditions and thus manipulate the balances and accounts of users.

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December 08, 2023, 09:44:36 PM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Well, you are right, most gamblers are very lazy in terms of reading, I myself too sometimes fail to read terms and conditions of a casino before or after joining, I just go ahead, deposit and start playing there.
But the difference I believe is that, I am always ready for what ever comes, be it kyc or what ever.

In the nutshell, I personally believe that every gambler should always be ready for kyc, most especially, if as a gambler, you are playing on a casino that is registered and has a operating license, this I believe have nothing to do with whether the gambler reads the casino's terms and conditions or not, 99 percent of all licensed casino's are all kyc compliant.
To be honest, 99% of websites have ToS that gives them all the rights to do whatever they want once you register and create account. I once read whole ToS page of Coinbase because I couldn't believe what I heard about their terms from forum members and then I lost my mind Cheesy I think, for many people, it doesn't make any sense to read ToS because if you want to gamble, you'll register anyway but you may face surprises on the way. Overall, to my mind, this business is mostly based on trust instead of ToS. If there is a casino that rarely asks for KYC and doesn't have problem with withdrawals, people choose them because they get recommendation from their friends or discover them on forums like Bitcointalk and Reddit, or on other social media websites.


For sure the thing is the term and condition is designed to only play along with the site own preferences and what protect them and their interest a long the line,  and this has been mentioned in the terms and conditions that the team receive the right to either amend and change the terms of service at any time,  this is why sometimes,  casinos change the terms and conditions at any time they deem it fit for them.

Sometimes,  some casinos will just draft and amend any terms of service and as it serves them right,  without minding what the impact of that change will be on their players at the end of the day,  but only none trusted casinos always change the terms of service at a particular time just to change the narrative to favour their case if there be any.
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December 08, 2023, 11:56:59 PM
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but it must also be pointed out that some platforms take advantage of users’ negligence to change the terms of use without notice or even with notice as long as everyone does not read. Also, what is happening gives the green light for the platforms to manipulate these conditions and thus manipulate the balances and accounts of users.
That's a different matter, tbh. Changing the terms of use of a service is a normal thing and it happens all the time. However, it would be considered cheating or a kind of manipulation if it's done without notifying the customers nad if it has a retroactive effect which leads to depriving a customer from one or more of his rights. This is unethical and completely unacceptable.
But when it comes to kyc, what i would consider an abuse or cheating is not when yu ask the customer to verify his identity nut when you keep rejecting his documents without a valid reason or ask him to submit documents you know he can't get or any thing like that.

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December 09, 2023, 02:38:52 AM
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but it must also be pointed out that some platforms take advantage of users’ negligence to change the terms of use without notice or even with notice as long as everyone does not read. Also, what is happening gives the green light for the platforms to manipulate these conditions and thus manipulate the balances and accounts of users.
That's a different matter, tbh. Changing the terms of use of a service is a normal thing and it happens all the time. However, it would be considered cheating or a kind of manipulation if it's done without notifying the customers nad if it has a retroactive effect which leads to depriving a customer from one or more of his rights. This is unethical and completely unacceptable.
But when it comes to kyc, what i would consider an abuse or cheating is not when yu ask the customer to verify his identity nut when you keep rejecting his documents without a valid reason or ask him to submit documents you know he can't get or any thing like that.

What we consider unethical can be easily implemented if we ensure that none of the users has read the terms of use of the site, and even if he did, nothing guarantees that he will keep an original copy of it, since changes can be made without even the person who reads it noticing. Unknown platforms can do this, and I would never rule out that they would dare to do so without even bothering to notify their users, no matter how simple the change.

As for KYC, it is also unethical for verification requests to be rejected, but it would be even more unethical for this to be based on one of the clauses stipulated in the terms of use. For example, it might be mentioned that the system has the right to verify documents submitted by any user without specifying a time limit for that. This gives them free rein to manipulate as they please and there are many cases where this happens.

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December 09, 2023, 05:26:31 AM
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That's a different matter, tbh. Changing the terms of use of a service is a normal thing and it happens all the time. However, it would be considered cheating or a kind of manipulation if it's done without notifying the customers nad if it has a retroactive effect which leads to depriving a customer from one or more of his rights. This is unethical and completely unacceptable.
But when it comes to kyc, what i would consider an abuse or cheating is not when yu ask the customer to verify his identity nut when you keep rejecting his documents without a valid reason or ask him to submit documents you know he can't get or any thing like that.
Shouldn't it be the casino's responsibility to inform their players that there's a changing in the terms and conditions? That's downward unethical to just do that unless they've stated that they can change without a notice but then, that's still an unethical thing to do because you're basically cheating your customers and breaking their trust. For me, I really like when they're just upfront when it comes to KYC, there's nothing wrong with that so why hide that and do a weird turnaround when they're withdrawing? And then some of these casinos are even crazier because when you finally comply with that underhanded KYC, they would subject you to the waiting game.



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December 09, 2023, 05:37:38 AM
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As far as the KYC for withdrawal is mentioned in the T&C of the site nobody can do anything about it.
Most people ignore the T&C of all the sites and then complaint about what the site has already mentioned.
If the T&C doesn't mention KYC norms and yet ask for it then we can raise a scam accusation against them.
Well, you are right, most gamblers are very lazy in terms of reading, I myself too sometimes fail to read terms and conditions of a casino before or after joining, I just go ahead, deposit and start playing there.
But the difference I believe is that, I am always ready for what ever comes, be it kyc or what ever.

In the nutshell, I personally believe that every gambler should always be ready for kyc, most especially, if as a gambler, you are playing on a casino that is registered and has a operating license, this I believe have nothing to do with whether the gambler reads the casino's terms and conditions or not, 99 percent of all licensed casino's are all kyc compliant.
To be honest, 99% of websites have ToS that gives them all the rights to do whatever they want once you register and create account. I once read whole ToS page of Coinbase because I couldn't believe what I heard about their terms from forum members and then I lost my mind Cheesy I think, for many people, it doesn't make any sense to read ToS because if you want to gamble, you'll register anyway but you may face surprises on the way. Overall, to my mind, this business is mostly based on trust instead of ToS. If there is a casino that rarely asks for KYC and doesn't have problem with withdrawals, people choose them because they get recommendation from their friends or discover them on forums like Bitcointalk and Reddit, or on other social media websites.


For sure the thing is the term and condition is designed to only play along with the site own preferences and what protect them and their interest a long the line,  and this has been mentioned in the terms and conditions that the team receive the right to either amend and change the terms of service at any time,  this is why sometimes,  casinos change the terms and conditions at any time they deem it fit for them.

Sometimes,  some casinos will just draft and amend any terms of service and as it serves them right,  without minding what the impact of that change will be on their players at the end of the day,  but only none trusted casinos always change the terms of service at a particular time just to change the narrative to favour their case if there be any.
Every casino, not just the non trusted ones, have the right to amend their terms and conditions at any time they deem it fit as you said, but this they can not do with reminding their users, that is, letting their users know that their terms and conditions have been updated for whatever reasons, and they have to make sure their users accept the new terms and conditions, and whether the users read the terms and conditions or not, that is no longer their business as long as they have accepted it.

When a casino update their terms and conditions without informing their users, that is a criminal offense and what we call a breach of contract, if any user is negatively and financially affected by the new terms and conditions, and he or she have enough evidence to prove that the casino did not inform their users when the terms and conditions was charged, then such user have the right to file a lawsuit against that casino for breaching the contract, because normally, terms and conditions is like a binding contract between a company and it's users.

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December 09, 2023, 04:38:39 PM
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That's a different matter, tbh. Changing the terms of use of a service is a normal thing and it happens all the time. However, it would be considered cheating or a kind of manipulation if it's done without notifying the customers nad if it has a retroactive effect which leads to depriving a customer from one or more of his rights. This is unethical and completely unacceptable.
But when it comes to kyc, what i would consider an abuse or cheating is not when yu ask the customer to verify his identity nut when you keep rejecting his documents without a valid reason or ask him to submit documents you know he can't get or any thing like that.
Shouldn't it be the casino's responsibility to inform their players that there's a changing in the terms and conditions? That's downward unethical to just do that unless they've stated that they can change without a notice but then, that's still an unethical thing to do because you're basically cheating your customers and breaking their trust. For me, I really like when they're just upfront when it comes to KYC, there's nothing wrong with that so why hide that and do a weird turnaround when they're withdrawing? And then some of these casinos are even crazier because when you finally comply with that underhanded KYC, they would subject you to the waiting game.
KYC verification is very important for many casinos that are endorsed by the government that is why it is very for us to choose wisely.
Cryptocurrency gambling platform are very conscious about verification so we need to choose the ones that works for us except so we don't end up using a casino that does not interest us or have the features that we really need. Even though we have a casino that we want to us, it is good for us to gamble very wisely and not keep gambling without making consistent profits.









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December 10, 2023, 12:17:15 AM
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Many times the gamblers create in the account without reading the gambling rules and regulations. In this case, the user has to face a lot of trouble later, especially when withdrawing dollars. They often complain of scamming dollars at casino sites. This is mainly due to the user's own mistake. Basically the user opened the account without reading the terms and conditions where it was written that KYC is not required while creating the account but KYC must be done while withdrawing dollars. It is very problematic for the citizens of those countries where gambling and casinos are completely illegal by the government because citizens of those countries face official trouble if they submit valid documents to gambling sites. So those who are new must read the terms and conditions before creating an account in casino and gambling sites and then create an account.

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