Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[arhipova]

Legally, they have got themselves covered and no one can do anything about it.

But morally, this is very long. It is like trapping people. Taking their funds without asking for KYC and later when they want to withdraw , you want to ask for KYC. This is like some form of legal robbery and something must be done about this. You did the right thing by outing the platform here.

[Hamphser]

As far as the KYC for betting sites is concerned, I myself feel uncomfortable with this, why gamblers have to do the kYC, while betting is still illegal in many countries. Unlike exchange sites that actually require user data because of regulations or to meet their legality requirements.

there are licenses that support and require casinos to enforce KYC for all their users. the same as those charged by the exchange. I understand this as an effort to minimize the abuse of casinos for negative actions. That also applies to exchanges, right?
It is indeed unpleasant when we can create an account easily and make deposits smoothly, but it is difficult and the process takes a long time when we want to make a withdrawal. because we don't own the casino, and we only play there, we have to follow the rules of the game.

I did notice up that kind of difference on which in exchangers on which if they had been regulated then they are really that mandatory on having that KYC which it is really that totally different when you are dealing with gambling platforms on which despite of being regulated or being licensed, you could really be still be able to play without exposing your identity but of course on the time that they would really be having those kind of threshold on which once you do be able to hit up such numbers then expect that they would really be asking you out for some verification. It would really be just that fine if you are dealing with a legit site but if not then then you would really be ended up on losing money since those are just simply scams.

This is why it would be always best that you should really know on at least making some research rather than on making yourself do simply stick into those sites
which are just new and cant be trusted.

[EarnOnVictor]

Legally, they have got themselves covered and no one can do anything about it.

But morally, this is very long. It is like trapping people. Taking their funds without asking for KYC and later when they want to withdraw , you want to ask for KYC. This is like some form of legal robbery and something must be done about this. You did the right thing by outing the platform here.

They are always hiding under legal covering since the law would side with them in this regard. But I will still say that you are not right about the moral standing, they are still morally right if their terms and conditions state it. In the terms and conditions I have read, it has always been stated there that customers might want to deposit a certain amount and withdraw a certain amount without KYC, while some would say you can deposit without KYC but will not be able to withdraw anything without the KYC. By this, the casino/company is already justified.

To make matters worse, people often accept these terms and conditions without reading them, so they are obliged by law to follow through with what they had already agreed to and signed. Now, it is morally right because the casinos already stated their own conditions and you accepted the condition, so there is nothing immoral here in both the civil and formal settings, you shouldn't have signed it if you are not satisfied with it.

This is why I always implore people that they should complete their KYC immediately after they open the account and before depositing a dime if the casino is not a no-KYC one, and if they want to be serious with the company. Some people kick against this approach but I have never seen a better alternative to it and it has been helping me to date.

[bakasabo]

As far as the KYC for betting sites is concerned, I myself feel uncomfortable with this, why gamblers have to do the kYC, while betting is still illegal in many countries. Unlike exchange sites that actually require user data because of regulations or to meet their legality requirements.

there are licenses that support and require casinos to enforce KYC for all their users. the same as those charged by the exchange. I understand this as an effort to minimize the abuse of casinos for negative actions. That also applies to exchanges, right?
It is indeed unpleasant when we can create an account easily and make deposits smoothly, but it is difficult and the process takes a long time when we want to make a withdrawal. because we don't own the casino, and we only play there, we have to follow the rules of the game.

Speaking about licenses - they dont cost much. In this topic it was discussed, that licenses give no guarantee or does not matter much. I would not say that licenses are something special and they enforce casinos to ask users to pass KYC. In general, licenses are for casinos, not for casino users. I would say that licenses have no connection with KYC at all, as licenses are issued with one institution, but KYC check performs a third party, that casino has contract with. I havent done KYC checking for casinos, but for example when you try to verify account on Bitget exchange, you upload your documents to https://megacheck.vip/ page. Who are those megacheck? Are they reliable? Will my documents be save in their databases?

[boyptc]

Legally, they have got themselves covered and no one can do anything about it.

Yeah, it is what it is with the casinos. They can modify or be stricter with their rules and implementation.

But morally, this is very long. It is like trapping people. Taking their funds without asking for KYC and later when they want to withdraw , you want to ask for KYC. This is like some form of legal robbery and something must be done about this. You did the right thing by outing the platform here.

They don't take our funds, they will delay the withdrawal until we comply. But with the stories that their funds were taken, there's a reason behind that.

[EarnOnVictor]

They don't take our funds, they will delay the withdrawal until we comply. But with the stories that their funds were taken, there's a reason behind that.

I hope you will never fall victim to a bad casino, maybe you would want to change your stand on this. It is true that most casinos would want to follow the right procedures and exonerate themselves from the AML crimes by asking for KYC at some point, but at times, some will merely want to use it as an excuse, a weapon for not paying your money, particularly when the money is big or you are just a good gambler. This is not new in the industry and I have read many stories which they do not deny since there were proofs. They do this to the extent that they ask for additional documents and verification from those who had satisfactorily passed the KYC beforehand.

To the extent that they will be asking for ridiculous documents, and might continue to reject the ones you had uploaded no matter how perfect the quality and the documents are. This is why the KYC of a thing is so devilish at times that casinos hide under it to penetrate some evil under the guise that they are obeying the law. But with the good casinos and the ones that have integrity, even if they are not regulated, you will hardly see such, or will eventually get resolved, especially when you threaten them with bad reviews and lawsuits.

[boyptc]

They don't take our funds, they will delay the withdrawal until we comply. But with the stories that their funds were taken, there's a reason behind that.

I hope you will never fall victim to a bad casino, maybe you would want to change your stand on this. It is true that most casinos would want to follow the right procedures and exonerate themselves from the AML crimes by asking for KYC at some point, but at times, some will merely want to use it as an excuse, a weapon for not paying your money, particularly when the money is big or you are just a good gambler. This is not new in the industry and I have read many stories which they do not deny since there were proofs. They do this to the extent that they ask for additional documents and verification from those who had satisfactorily passed the KYC beforehand.

To the extent that they will be asking for ridiculous documents, and might continue to reject the ones you had uploaded no matter how perfect the quality and the documents are. This is why the KYC of a thing is so devilish at times that casinos hide under it to penetrate some evil under the guise that they are obeying the law. But with the good casinos and the ones that have integrity, even if they are not regulated, you will hardly see such, or will eventually get resolved, especially when you threaten them with bad reviews and lawsuits.

Thanks for your worries but I don't think that I'll fall for one. That's my take on it if there goes the casinos that have asked those users to comply and they've seen some anomalies from those users.

There are moments that the accusers and the complainants are really at fault here but also, there are times that it's not justifiable that the casino freezes and delays their funds.

My take is just balance on it and with what I mostly see when they've been delayed, the casino isn't really trying to take their funds, they're asked to comply something and from there, they complain instead of complying it.

[Wiwo]

Thanks for your worries but I don't think that I'll fall for one. That's my take on it if there goes the casinos that have asked those users to comply and they've seen some anomalies from those users.

Kyc demand shouldn't be viewed as an attack on the players most especially if it is clearly stated on the terms and conditions of the casino,  and also if the gamblers have already agreed and sign up to them so be it,  regardless of when the casino ask for it,  the player should always be ready and expertant of such demands.

That is the reason why,  I personally will go through with kyc before making my first deposits if I trust the casino to avoid unnecessary stress when I been ask for it in the future.

There are moments that the accusers and the complainants are really at fault here but also, there are times that it's not justifiable that the casino freezes and delays their funds.

Most of the accusations as regards to kyc is all the fault of the player and if checked carefully you will discover that,  they just failed to either comply or take note of important instructions as regards to the kyc of a thing.

[johnsaributua]

For me the casino doesn't really care about its users, $2000 may be a little for professional players but for me it's enough for investment in other instruments . Kyc is finally mentioned during the withdrawal process even though the initial deposit did not require it, ah it's the same option in general, maybe it's tricky. I have read several websites like this, including choosing kyc or even having to bet several times on several games even though the capital ended up running out . recognize before depositing on a platform especially suspicious before it is already and will just intend to move to another platform, of course it is better than arguing with customer service on live chat even though it is very fast to respond, there is no point. They guide for technical not to exit with the full funds without additional tasks . if you have played sometimes forget and are trial and error there will forget about withdrawing and continuing the game, what is the strategy

[mirakal]

For me the casino doesn't really care about its users, $2000 may be a little for professional players but for me it's enough for investment in other instruments . Kyc is finally mentioned during the withdrawal process even though the initial deposit did not require it, ah it's the same option in general, maybe it's tricky.

It's not actuall tricky, it is only is if they don't put it in the TOS and later they implement it. However, as we sign on the gambling site and as we read the TOS, you can certainly see that there's a KYC requirement being part of it. Either they implement it sooner or later, that's up to them and we gamblers has to comply with it if we want to continue using their service.

I have read several websites like this, including choosing kyc or even having to bet several times on several games even though the capital ended up running out . recognize before depositing on a platform especially suspicious before it is already and will just intend to move to another platform, of course it is better than arguing with customer service on live chat even though it is very fast to respond, there is no point. They guide for technical not to exit with the full funds without additional tasks . if you have played sometimes forget and are trial and error there will forget about withdrawing and continuing the game, what is the strategy

As a gambler we all have to be responsible, with this things happening and we've seen lots of complaints that in the end it's still the user's fault. I hope it should teach us how to be responsible, it will guide us that KYC does exist, and no gambling site that doesn't require KYC for a non KYC site, because there is, your money is at high risk of losing.

[johnsaributua]

For me the casino doesn't really care about its users, $2000 may be a little for professional players but for me it's enough for investment in other instruments . Kyc is finally mentioned during the withdrawal process even though the initial deposit did not require it, ah it's the same option in general, maybe it's tricky.

It's not actuall tricky, it is only is if they don't put it in the TOS and later they implement it. However, as we sign on the gambling site and as we read the TOS, you can certainly see that there's a KYC requirement being part of it. Either they implement it sooner or later, that's up to them and we gamblers has to comply with it if we want to continue using their service.

I have read several websites like this, including choosing kyc or even having to bet several times on several games even though the capital ended up running out . recognize before depositing on a platform especially suspicious before it is already and will just intend to move to another platform, of course it is better than arguing with customer service on live chat even though it is very fast to respond, there is no point. They guide for technical not to exit with the full funds without additional tasks . if you have played sometimes forget and are trial and error there will forget about withdrawing and continuing the game, what is the strategy

As a gambler we all have to be responsible, with this things happening and we've seen lots of complaints that in the end it's still the user's fault. I hope it should teach us how to be responsible, it will guide us that KYC does exist, and no gambling site that doesn't require KYC for a non KYC site, because there is, your money is at high risk of losing.

This kyc tradition is actually a common thing, but even after kyc, it does not guarantee that the funds are safe, especially gambling websites with ponzi wrapping in affiliates and how they work, not all of them have a bad image for new websites, I think there are currently. Gambling in my country is not legal yet and all access with vpn for those who are blocked and come from abroad. The point is that you prefer to Kyc all cassino websites or choose a few websites that you believe in and want and then complete the Kyc? What are the criteria for cassino websites that you like? I think you have experience.

We all know that kyc is sensitive data, indeed, there may be a few who are miserable and experience due to data leakage, but if the gambling site may not have any demands or problems later because this is a playing website, meaning that there is only depositing money even if interested.

[EarnOnVictor]

Thanks for your worries but I don't think that I'll fall for one. That's my take on it if there goes the casinos that have asked those users to comply and they've seen some anomalies from those users.

Kyc demand shouldn't be viewed as an attack on the players most especially if it is clearly stated on the terms and conditions of the casino,  and also if the gamblers have already agreed and sign up to them so be it,  regardless of when the casino ask for it,  the player should always be ready and expertant of such demands.

Sure, KYC is not an attack on any player but people often view it like that and some people are too particular about their privacy as if they are not citizens of any country. Once you are a citizen of a country with some registrations in place, you can only try to hide but you can't. You will have to do KYC in many places unless you want to remain illiterate and end your life on the farm/forest or do other offline activities. It is bad to the point that if allowed, some people will not do KYC with their banks, but unfortunately, no one is above the law, they must be forced to do it even though KYC is a very good means to have the proper record of the individual to make them accountable for what they do. This causes some people to change their minds about doing what is illicit in certain settings and it is a means to disallow illegal flow to an extent. This is however important with duly registered and regulated casinos, so no one is targeting anyone but must oblige.

However, the issue is that some casinos and companies are sometimes using it as a weapon to treat their customers unfairly. They have this style of pretence which of course they can still hide under in case of legal scrutiny. It is so unfortunate. Also, some people, do not joke about their privacy and they believe that they can hide under cryptocurrencies to do it. They should have gone for the no-KYC casinos instead of crying foul with the KYC ones. More regulations are coming and it will be stricter for everyone over time.

[Bushdark]

Legally, they have got themselves covered and no one can do anything about it.

Yeah, it is what it is with the casinos. They can modify or be stricter with their rules and implementation.

But morally, this is very long. It is like trapping people. Taking their funds without asking for KYC and later when they want to withdraw , you want to ask for KYC. This is like some form of legal robbery and something must be done about this. You did the right thing by outing the platform here.

They don't take our funds, they will delay the withdrawal until we comply. But with the stories that their funds were taken, there's a reason behind that.

We need to be wise and take decisions based on several reasons. We don't have to fall into trap that would hurt us a lot.
Gambling is one of the things we can do to make money for ourselves so we don't have depends on people around because we don't have money to take care of our bills. We need to be wise and not do something that will affect us in a way that could tarnish our image.
KYC is something we don't have to for e ourselves on or to be forced on us for no reason.

[boyptc]

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We need to be wise and take decisions based on several reasons. We don't have to fall into trap that would hurt us a lot.
Gambling is one of the things we can do to make money for ourselves so we don't have depends on people around because we don't have money to take care of our bills. We need to be wise and not do something that will affect us in a way that could tarnish our image.
KYC is something we don't have to for e ourselves on or to be forced on us for no reason.

And if you care people around you, be ready to hear them say that gambling should be for fun and it's not a means to make money.

There's always this debate that you'll see here and everywhere. They have a point but you also have a point if you have a stance on why you think that you can make money from it which is visible.

The point is you just have to prove it that it worked for you because they might be telling that because it probably didn't worked for them.

[Oilacris]

For me the casino doesn't really care about its users, $2000 may be a little for professional players but for me it's enough for investment in other instruments . Kyc is finally mentioned during the withdrawal process even though the initial deposit did not require it, ah it's the same option in general, maybe it's tricky. I have read several websites like this, including choosing kyc or even having to bet several times on several games even though the capital ended up running out . recognize before depositing on a platform especially suspicious before it is already and will just intend to move to another platform, of course it is better than arguing with customer service on live chat even though it is very fast to respond, there is no point. They guide for technical not to exit with the full funds without additional tasks . if you have played sometimes forget and are trial and error there will forget about withdrawing and continuing the game, what is the strategy

When it comes to financial or values then it would really be that differentiate into each person because we are living in a world or country which fiat currency value do really differs
plus economic conditions and earnings would really be that different too on which there might be amounts to be seen online that it might be small or peanuts for others but
it is really that a huge amount for us who do live on 3rd world country on which it is really just that too big for us to waste. IF ever we do find ourselves getting stuck with those withdrawals
with those amounts then it wouldnt really be that having no doubt that we would really be complying things on whats been asked, we dont care about legitimacy
or whatever the reputation points it do have as long we could be able to get our money then this what matter the most. 

[Wiwo]

Thanks for your worries but I don't think that I'll fall for one. That's my take on it if there goes the casinos that have asked those users to comply and they've seen some anomalies from those users.

Kyc demand shouldn't be viewed as an attack on the players most especially if it is clearly stated on the terms and conditions of the casino,  and also if the gamblers have already agreed and sign up to them so be it,  regardless of when the casino ask for it,  the player should always be ready and expectant of such demands.

Sure, KYC is not an attack on any player but people often view it like that and some people are too particular about their privacy as if they are not citizens of any country. Once you are a citizen of a country with some registrations in place, you can only try to hide but you can't. You will have to do KYC in many places unless you want to remain illiterate and end your life on the farm/forest or do other offline activities. It is bad to the point that if allowed, some people will not do KYC with their banks, but unfortunately, no one is above the law, they must be forced to do it even though KYC is a very good means to have the proper record of the individual to make them accountable for what they do. This causes some people to change their minds about doing what is illicit in certain settings and it is a means to disallow illegal flow to an extent. This is however important with duly registered and regulated casinos, so no one is targeting anyone but must oblige.

However, the issue is that some casinos and companies are sometimes using it as a weapon to treat their customers unfairly. They have this style of pretence which of course they can still hide under in case of legal scrutiny. It is so unfortunate. Also, some people, do not joke about their privacy and they believe that they can hide under cryptocurrencies to do it. They should have gone for the no-KYC casinos instead of crying foul with the KYC ones. More regulations are coming and it will be stricter for everyone over time.

Many times,  what confuses people about KYC is the point of privacy protections and how those sites that are collecting the data handle them and what have been the most cases of privacy violations and the rule KYC collection has played in that direction,  many times there have been calls from the gambling community on how best their data shod be handled by KYC data collectors.

But up until now,  we haven't read anywhere that KYC data has been leaked or stolen before which shows that those data are highly protected and secured but as a player,  you should always watch which site you give your data to in the form of KYC verification.

[EarnOnVictor]

Thanks for your worries but I don't think that I'll fall for one. That's my take on it if there goes the casinos that have asked those users to comply and they've seen some anomalies from those users.

Kyc demand shouldn't be viewed as an attack on the players most especially if it is clearly stated on the terms and conditions of the casino,  and also if the gamblers have already agreed and sign up to them so be it,  regardless of when the casino ask for it,  the player should always be ready and expectant of such demands.

Sure, KYC is not an attack on any player but people often view it like that and some people are too particular about their privacy as if they are not citizens of any country. Once you are a citizen of a country with some registrations in place, you can only try to hide but you can't. You will have to do KYC in many places unless you want to remain illiterate and end your life on the farm/forest or do other offline activities. It is bad to the point that if allowed, some people will not do KYC with their banks, but unfortunately, no one is above the law, they must be forced to do it even though KYC is a very good means to have the proper record of the individual to make them accountable for what they do. This causes some people to change their minds about doing what is illicit in certain settings and it is a means to disallow illegal flow to an extent. This is however important with duly registered and regulated casinos, so no one is targeting anyone but must oblige.

However, the issue is that some casinos and companies are sometimes using it as a weapon to treat their customers unfairly. They have this style of pretence which of course they can still hide under in case of legal scrutiny. It is so unfortunate. Also, some people, do not joke about their privacy and they believe that they can hide under cryptocurrencies to do it. They should have gone for the no-KYC casinos instead of crying foul with the KYC ones. More regulations are coming and it will be stricter for everyone over time.

Many times,  what confuses people about KYC is the point of privacy protections and how those sites that are collecting the data handle them and what have been the most cases of privacy violations and the rule KYC collection has played in that direction,  many times there have been calls from the gambling community on how best their data shod be handled by KYC data collectors.

I quite understand you and you are right. This is a very good consideration for me too and a very good reason to be sceptical of KYC by anyone. Nevertheless, no one is above the law, even the government knows the risks but the risks can't outweigh the benefits. It must be done if truly we must follow the path of due registration. Of course, some people can do without it if they go through the rebel no-KYC casinos, but they should not cry foul when the KYC casinos eventually ask for the procedure to be completed lawfully.

You see, if you allow some people, they will always be in the shadows. You think this is good for this insane world where no one is to be trusted?

But up until now,  we haven't read anywhere that KYC data has been leaked or stolen before which shows that those data are highly protected and secured but as a player,  you should always watch which site you give your data to in the form of KYC verification.

Well, let me say that people's data are being abused in the name of KYC. Some companies can be strict about this and protect it 100%, but certainly not all. I have read many cases about this and even been told by a person who witnessed such in my country. Many companies handle it carelessly while some employees who are privy to it leak/sell it out to some companies and individuals too. That is the risky part.

[johnsaributua]

For me the casino doesn't really care about its users, $2000 may be a little for professional players but for me it's enough for investment in other instruments . Kyc is finally mentioned during the withdrawal process even though the initial deposit did not require it, ah it's the same option in general, maybe it's tricky. I have read several websites like this, including choosing kyc or even having to bet several times on several games even though the capital ended up running out . recognize before depositing on a platform especially suspicious before it is already and will just intend to move to another platform, of course it is better than arguing with customer service on live chat even though it is very fast to respond, there is no point. They guide for technical not to exit with the full funds without additional tasks . if you have played sometimes forget and are trial and error there will forget about withdrawing and continuing the game, what is the strategy

When it comes to financial or values then it would really be that differentiate into each person because we are living in a world or country which fiat currency value do really differs
plus economic conditions and earnings would really be that different too on which there might be amounts to be seen online that it might be small or peanuts for others but
it is really that a huge amount for us who do live on 3rd world country on which it is really just that too big for us to waste. IF ever we do find ourselves getting stuck with those withdrawals
with those amounts then it wouldnt really be that having no doubt that we would really be complying things on whats been asked, we dont care about legitimacy
or whatever the reputation points it do have as long we could be able to get our money then this what matter the most. 

Even rich people if they are just starting out in gambling will feel objected, sometimes just try with a small amount of money first, a person's character is not fixated on wealth. Between simple, rich, wasteful, frugal and wise are all random to each person. Foreign media in informing people of sudden wealth in gambling and even falling at a loss are reported in full, is it on this basis that they website imposes kyc? indirectly because of its existence in several countries its users do not care about their data because it is recognized (legal) may be their goal, there is no burden with these activities. Although for me, the identity should not be publicized even if it's a small victory. It is freedom, also because there are some countries where gambling is legal.
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Thinking about kyc, it's only the initial process and even further withdrawals are not required, meaning that it's the same as having the opportunity to lose money by withdrawing at a later date by irresponsible people, if indeed they don't care about data data and after additional standards it's better to verify in advance every withdrawal, if needed.

[Doan9269]

Legally, they have got themselves covered and no one can do anything about it.

But morally, this is very long. It is like trapping people. Taking their funds without asking for KYC and later when they want to withdraw , you want to ask for KYC. This is like some form of legal robbery and something must be done about this. You did the right thing by outing the platform here.

What trap is it when you're not been asked for KYC when you begin but discover that you have to do so along the line in other to help you enjoy more of their services, maybe it's high te we also talked about how some gamblers have been always making attempts on how to override the gambling platforms by fake presentations, attacking them or using other people's access to take over their gambling account, knowing well as how hackers have been dealing with casinos these days.

[abel1337]

Legally, they have got themselves covered and no one can do anything about it.

But morally, this is very long. It is like trapping people. Taking their funds without asking for KYC and later when they want to withdraw , you want to ask for KYC. This is like some form of legal robbery and something must be done about this. You did the right thing by outing the platform here.

What trap is it when you're not been asked for KYC when you begin but discover that you have to do so along the line in other to help you enjoy more of their services, maybe it's high te we also talked about how some gamblers have been always making attempts on how to override the gambling platforms by fake presentations, attacking them or using other people's access to take over their gambling account, knowing well as how hackers have been dealing with casinos these days.

This is why it is important to read their Terms and condition before playing because for sure it is indicated there that KYC will be required at some point. It's hard to find a casino that really don't require KYC and also has a good reputation, most of the casino that has a good reputation requires KYC. Your funds will most likely be trapped on their casino if you ignored their terms and condition given that the support of that casino will basically send you their terms and condition if you asked them why are they collecting KYC when you withdraw your money.