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September 18, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
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Could ETH or BTC implement features which will make Monero obsolete?

I've heard the Ring?? algorithm is the best there is for privacy.
No, Monero makes ETH and BTC obsolete.

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September 18, 2017, 05:57:39 PM
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[Seeks Funding] Globee's Secret Project Fundraiser / Marketing Opportunity

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/88459/globee-s-secret-project-fundraiser

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70ueta/globees_secret_project_fundraiser_marketing/

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September 19, 2017, 02:50:22 PM
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Could ETH or BTC implement features which will make Monero obsolete?

I've heard the Ring?? algorithm is the best there is for privacy.

No, But the opposite is quite true.

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September 19, 2017, 03:08:32 PM
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Crosspost from speculation thread.

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We have no leaders. No heroes. Only voices.

Fair enough. Smiley

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Well a FFS was just funded for a person that has been giving presentations all throughout Europe.  BTW this was the 3rd FFS that was funded all for relatively small amounts.

There is quite a bit going on in Monero but you won't know about it if you are only on bct

So where can we get a list of these places? AFA reddit goes I just cannot follow the conversations there with the posts all jumbled up. XMR started here and the main thread should be updated with all these developments you speak of. dEBRUYNE does a great job of dropping things like software updates and crowdfunding requests but the "quite a bit going on" should at least be linked in the main thread.



Obviously this should be the place but it isn't.
https://plus.google.com/+DavidLatapie/posts/9PxC9Xb5uzg
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"Bitcointalk is not a good environment if we want serious discussion about Monero. That much should be obvious. At some point we have to start cutting the apron strings and disconnecting from Bitcoin, especially since we share few common goals and no common code. It would be unfair of us to force newcomers interested in Monero to dig through thousands of scamcoin, shill, and troll posts on bitcointalk to find the occasional gem of information."

"Additionally, you cannot possibly convince me that people needing help in running and using Monero should all gather in a single thread on a Bitcoin forum?? Nah, we've done our time here, there's no value in maintaining all the Monero threads on Bitcointalk. Anyone here who needs to know about Monero already does know about Monero;)"

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I'm going to crosspost this as it's strayed from speculation quite a bit.

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September 19, 2017, 08:09:11 PM
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Crosspost from speculation thread.

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We have no leaders. No heroes. Only voices.

Fair enough. Smiley

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Well a FFS was just funded for a person that has been giving presentations all throughout Europe.  BTW this was the 3rd FFS that was funded all for relatively small amounts.

There is quite a bit going on in Monero but you won't know about it if you are only on bct

So where can we get a list of these places? AFA reddit goes I just cannot follow the conversations there with the posts all jumbled up. XMR started here and the main thread should be updated with all these developments you speak of. dEBRUYNE does a great job of dropping things like software updates and crowdfunding requests but the "quite a bit going on" should at least be linked in the main thread.



Obviously this should be the place but it isn't.
https://plus.google.com/+DavidLatapie/posts/9PxC9Xb5uzg
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So Long Bitcointalk, and Thanks for All the Phish

"Bitcointalk is not a good environment if we want serious discussion about Monero. That much should be obvious. At some point we have to start cutting the apron strings and disconnecting from Bitcoin, especially since we share few common goals and no common code. It would be unfair of us to force newcomers interested in Monero to dig through thousands of scamcoin, shill, and troll posts on bitcointalk to find the occasional gem of information."

"Additionally, you cannot possibly convince me that people needing help in running and using Monero should all gather in a single thread on a Bitcoin forum?? Nah, we've done our time here, there's no value in maintaining all the Monero threads on Bitcointalk. Anyone here who needs to know about Monero already does know about Monero;)"

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https://forum.getmonero.org/1/news-announcements-and-editorials

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I'm going to crosspost this as it's strayed from speculation quite a bit.
I've looked at that forum a couple of times... seems like it's infested with spam...
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September 19, 2017, 08:18:36 PM
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Could ETH or BTC implement features which will make Monero obsolete?

I've heard the Ring?? algorithm is the best there is for privacy.

No, But the opposite is quite true.

Does monero have plans to facilitate turing complete on chain scripting? If not than I don't see how it could make eth obsolete.

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September 19, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
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Could ETH or BTC implement features which will make Monero obsolete?

I've heard the Ring?? algorithm is the best there is for privacy.

No, But the opposite is quite true.

Does monero have plans to facilitate turing complete on chain scripting? If not than I don't see how it could make eth obsolete.

I said possible not probable. It's impossible for that touring complete shitshow to ever become backwardly fungible nor immutable.

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September 19, 2017, 09:49:26 PM
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So whats up with the hard fork, how did it went, and how much time did it took to activate?



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Last edit: September 20, 2017, 04:50:30 AM by bitebits
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So whats up with the hard fork, how did it went, and how much time did it took to activate?

The planned protocol update went fine, it took two minutes.
(edit: which is currently scheduled every six months and was planned for block 1400000)

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September 20, 2017, 12:02:34 AM
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So whats up with the hard fork, how did it went, and how much time did it took to activate?

Normally Monero updates go about without any drama thats why it's on a regular schedule so there is time for the updates to be tested on testnet like any project worth it's salt will do before rolling an update out that will HF. Any project that has continuous issues on updates is in the hands of inept Developers and should not be trusted. This is not some game that your character may get lost this is actual currency and alot of these fly by night gimmick coins don't seem to get that and have to roll out multiple patches to fix their initial incompetence. It's amusing to watch them run around and try to find a competent Dev to save them. Or worse yet have to break immutability and destroy any credibility they initially had.

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September 20, 2017, 12:29:21 AM
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So whats up with the hard fork, how did it went, and how much time did it took to activate?

The planned protocol update went fine, it took two minutes.

Wow isn't that hasty?

Isn't this supposed to be a decentralized community. I mean sure people might have high agreement rate in a small community but still 2 minutes?

There are always disagreements, in a decentralized community, it would normally take a lot of time until consensus is reached. Is the Monero community not decentralized enough? How many nodes are there?



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September 20, 2017, 12:48:37 AM
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So whats up with the hard fork, how did it went, and how much time did it took to activate?

The planned protocol update went fine, it took two minutes.

Wow isn't that hasty?

Isn't this supposed to be a decentralized community. I mean sure people might have high agreement rate in a small community but still 2 minutes?

There are always disagreements, in a decentralized community, it would normally take a lot of time until consensus is reached. Is the Monero community not decentralized enough? How many nodes are there?

I see what you did there, LOL

For those that want to see node distribution here is a nice linky. Smiley

https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html

Code:
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United States 285
France         206
Germany         192
Canada         58
Russia         51
Netherlands         50
China                 41
United Kingdom 39
Czechia         13
Sweden         13
Republic of Korea 12
Finland         10
Switzerland         10
Australia         10
Ukraine         10
Singapore         10
Bulgaria          9
Italy                  9
Austria          9
Japan 8
Brazil 8
Taiwan 8
Portugal 7
Romania 7
Republic of Lithuania 6
South Africa 6
Spain 6
Norway 5
Greece 4
Poland 4
Vietnam 4
Indonesia 4
Republic of Moldova 4
Hong Kong 3
New Zealand 3
Estonia 3
Argentina 3
Slovenia 3
Belgium 2
Denmark 2
Hungary 2
Turkey 2
Thailand 2
Malaysia 2
Slovak Republic 2
Croatia 1
Jersey 1
Latvia 1
Luxembourg 1
Philippines 1
Iceland 1
Chile 1
Iran 1
Cyprus 1
India 1
Ireland 1
Kyrgyzstan 1
Kenya 1
Uzbekistan 1
Cambodia 1
Kazakhstan 1
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Love seeing these main projects have one huge, ongoing thread on BTCtalk, it's like a conversation ledger. Too bad it's not decentralized...

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September 20, 2017, 01:15:59 AM
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So whats up with the hard fork, how did it went, and how much time did it took to activate?

The planned protocol update went fine, it took two minutes.

Wow isn't that hasty?

Isn't this supposed to be a decentralized community. I mean sure people might have high agreement rate in a small community but still 2 minutes?

There are always disagreements, in a decentralized community, it would normally take a lot of time until consensus is reached. Is the Monero community not decentralized enough? How many nodes are there?

I see what you did there, LOL

For those that want to see node distribution here is a nice linky. Smiley

https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html


I see, we have 1000+ nodes that is nice for an altcoin other than BTC.

I just don't get how fast it can happen? Did the nodes pre-signal the update? Is that a possibility?

Or did they need to download a new software and restart their node client. I am not exactly sure how the upgrading procedure works. I know for BTC you have to download a new software and replace the old one.

I am just not sure how can that be done in 2 minutes for 1000 nodes.



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September 20, 2017, 01:45:27 AM
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Could ETH or BTC implement features which will make Monero obsolete?

I've heard the Ring?? algorithm is the best there is for privacy.

No, But the opposite is quite true.

Does monero have plans to facilitate turing complete on chain scripting? If not than I don't see how it could make eth obsolete.

I said possible not probable. It's impossible for that touring complete shitshow to ever become backwardly fungible nor immutable.

Don't get me wrong. I have plenty of my own beef with ETH. But I do not understand this criticism.

Are you saying turing complete on chain scripting is necessarily impossible to be fungible or immutable in all conceivable implementations? Or are you claiming this of ETH particular implementation? Also I understand what fungible and immutable mean generally but I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by them in this case. Can you elaborate? Do you have any relevant links that lead you to this conclusion?

If you are talking about how they hard fork and roll back all the time to make up for their incompetence than I would say they can (and should) have chosen not to do that.

Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041
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September 20, 2017, 02:57:12 AM
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I see what you did there, LOL

For those that want to see node distribution here is a nice linky. Smiley

https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html


I see, we have 1000+ nodes that is nice for an altcoin other than BTC.

I just don't get how fast it can happen? Did the nodes pre-signal the update? Is that a possibility?

Or did they need to download a new software and restart their node client. I am not exactly sure how the upgrading procedure works. I know for BTC you have to download a new software and replace the old one.

I am just not sure how can that be done in 2 minutes for 1000 nodes.

You set a block for the new code to run on and any node that is not supporting that version gets ignored by the updated code, all you have to do is get a consensus to upgrade (make the new code the majority fork{if there is one}). As Monero has done this upgrade on a regular schedule all nodes know they must update or be left behind. There is always a possibility of a fork that survives just like ETC or BCC but that is exceptionally small in monero at this time.


Don't get me wrong. I have plenty of my own beef with ETH. But I do not understand this criticism.

Are you saying turing complete on chain scripting is necessarily impossible to be fungible or immutable in all conceivable implementations? Or are you claiming this of ETH particular implementation?

Yes ETH specifically cannot be made retroactively fungible.


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Also I understand what fungible and immutable mean generally but I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by them in this case. Can you elaborate? Do you have any relevant links that lead you to this conclusion?

It is my understanding that making a already created chain cannot be made fungible it must be so from inception but even if that were not true you could never remove the chain that already exists. As far as immutability, once it's gone it's gone FOREVER.

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If you are talking about how they hard fork and roll back all the time to make up for their incompetence than I would say they can (and should) have chosen not to do that.

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September 20, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
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Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html
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September 20, 2017, 09:40:28 AM
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Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

Although interesting proposal for increasing awareness, I expect the stores will dump the coins on exchanges as soon as they can so the added value to the ecosystem may not be great.
Or maybe I'm too pessimistic Smiley

The good part is that they are trying something, anything.

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September 20, 2017, 09:57:01 AM
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usage > volume > price



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September 20, 2017, 10:01:22 AM
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Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

Although interesting proposal for increasing awareness, I expect the stores will dump the coins on exchanges as soon as they can so the added value to the ecosystem may not be great.
Or maybe I'm too pessimistic Smiley

The good part is that they are trying something, anything.

The stores won't dump the coins because there will be nothing to dump. I hate seeing businesses ask for donations and offer nothing in return.
I donated 0 XMR.

EDIT: Here's the link to the fundraiser for the sheeple: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/88459/globee-s-secret-project-fundraiser
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