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Author Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency  (Read 4649693 times)
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January 23, 2015, 07:10:56 PM
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gotcha. I guess I don't understand fully then... I remember some time ago up in this thread there was a thing about mixing levels, and how if people use 1 then it sort of increases traceability....

If everyone uses 0 mixin and you use mixin 3 for your transaction, your ring siganture will only have 4 UTXO. LE will only have to knock on four doors.

OTOH, if everyone uses mixin = 3. You'll have 4 tx that we're themselves included in a previous ring with other tx from other rings, etc.

Maybe you should just have a look at:
https://cryptonote.org/inside/

I'm still trying to wrap my head around it too, so it seems I cannot explain it simply (yet).

yeah, i've read (stared at) those pages many a times..... still workin on it.

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January 23, 2015, 07:41:19 PM
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If Bytecoin has Multisig then why can't Monero add that code?

It only has Multisig for mixin 0. This limits its usefulness.

Ahh, IC. So Is the Monero team using that code as a base or starting from scratch?

The code isn't the issue with this, multisig isn't very complex from a code perspective. The issue is figuring out how to implement multisig in a way that neither conflicts with the signatures in ring signatures nor leaks user information. It's on the MRL table, but frankly I don't see us even starting with the academic side of it for a few months. There are flaws and bugs we have to fix first:)

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January 23, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
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If Bytecoin has Multisig then why can't Monero add that code?

It only has Multisig for mixin 0. This limits its usefulness.

Ahh, IC. So Is the Monero team using that code as a base or starting from scratch?

The code isn't the issue with this, multisig isn't very complex from a code perspective. The issue is figuring out how to implement multisig in a way that neither conflicts with the signatures in ring signatures nor leaks user information. It's on the MRL table, but frankly I don't see us even starting with the academic side of it for a few months. There are flaws and bugs we have to fix first:)

Thanks for the clarification Fluffy. Smiley

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January 23, 2015, 10:17:23 PM
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how do you send to more than one address in a single transaction?
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January 23, 2015, 11:51:20 PM
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how do you send to more than one address in a single transaction?

transfer mixin address1 amount1 address2 amount2...paymentid
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how do you send to more than one address in a single transaction?

transfer mixin address1 amount1 address2 amount2...paymentid
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Cross-posted from: https://xmrmonero.com/article/en/monero-torrent

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We are proud to announce the release of a torrent of Monero 0.8.8.6 for Windows.  This gives you a one-step download with everything you need to run a node and GUI wallet on Windows. This torrent includes the blockchain, lightwallet.exe and simplewallet.exe. The complete torrents weights 2.4 Gb.

To download, open your favorite torrent application and enter the following magnet link (double click to select it all):

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2F68E7CC7FB7AC264758DE3BBA3108AA87F07C99&dn=bitmonerod.zip&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.ccc.de%3a80%2fannounce

Remember to keep seeding after you downloaded, to make the download faster for the ones who come after you.

Below are md5 and virus scans
  • md5sum bitmonerod.zip: a8f6baf1ae8ac9ad8970f79c0430165d
  • md5sum bitmonerod.exe: a8f6baf1ae8ac9ad8970f79c0430165d
  • md5sum lightWallet.exe: 6e9aa82cd7388aaf5e408d4a8adb883e
  • md5sum simplewallet.exe: d65a3970a03eb2f6f8f2e3e480c42b8e
The executables have been scanned with virustotal. lighWallet.exe has three positives (probably false), the others have none.
updated by David Latapie
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January 24, 2015, 12:37:46 AM
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Cross-posted from: https://xmrmonero.com/article/en/monero-torrent

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We are proud to announce the release of a torrent of Monero 0.8.8.6 for Windows. This torrent includes the blockchain, lightwallet.exe and simplewallet.exe. The complete torrents weights 2.4 Gb.

To expand a bit, this gives you a one-step download with everything you need to run a node and GUI wallet on Windows.

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January 24, 2015, 12:49:36 AM
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how do you send to more than one address in a single transaction?

transfer mixin address1 amount1 address2 amount2...paymentid

If using a paymentid for each payment do I just add one payment id at the end as written or a different paymentid after each amount?

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January 24, 2015, 12:50:45 AM
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how do you send to more than one address in a single transaction?

transfer mixin address1 amount1 address2 amount2...paymentid

If using a paymentid for each payment do I just add one payment id at the end as written or a different paymentid after each amount?

Thank you, The Drooling Masses ®

You can't have more than one payment ID in a single transaction. If you need that you have to break them up.
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January 24, 2015, 12:53:36 AM
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Thank you both Smiley
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January 24, 2015, 12:54:50 AM
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What are some marketplaces that accept monero? Supposedly you are working with i2p. There are sites accepting XMR now? I dont know how to use i2p yet so havent checked.
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January 24, 2015, 01:01:17 AM
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Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

u don't trust

http://coinmarketcap.com/

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I trust it. I just don't know which of those are cryptonote platforms. I looked at the cryptonote website and compared that list to the coinmarketcap but for all i know there could be some newer platforms that are missing from the cryptonote website. Thats the only reason i asked.

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January 24, 2015, 01:10:49 AM
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What are some marketplaces that accept monero? Supposedly you are working with i2p. There are sites accepting XMR now? I dont know how to use i2p yet so havent checked.

There are very few sites accepting XMR. Other than exchanges https://www.cryptocoins-dice.com/ is the only one I know about.

i2p is not integrated yet.
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January 24, 2015, 01:14:00 AM
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We're trying to get a community wide minimum mixin level of 3, correct?

I think the community should start petitioning the major exchanges to modify their withdrawal function.

Nice suggestion.

To have to go through an intermediary mymonero wallet is... ridiculous.

AFAIK you don't have to use an intermediary wallet. I think that if you just have to resend them to yourself. Which is kind of ridiculous anyway but its a little simpler.

well, if you do that, whats the point?

exchange --- (low mix) ---> your address ---- (high mix) ----> your same address...

there's already an easily traceable link to your primary address. All you've done is given tx fees to miners. Which is great for miners.

Nobody can tell that the addresses are the same. For all anyone can tell those coins moved off to a completely different owner, and in fact the high mix spend is ambiguous so they could have moved off in to a number of different places. In fact it isn't even visible whether the coins moved. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.


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January 24, 2015, 01:17:42 AM
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Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

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January 24, 2015, 01:53:24 AM
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We're trying to get a community wide minimum mixin level of 3, correct?

I think the community should start petitioning the major exchanges to modify their withdrawal function.

Nice suggestion.

To have to go through an intermediary mymonero wallet is... ridiculous.

AFAIK you don't have to use an intermediary wallet. I think that if you just have to resend them to yourself. Which is kind of ridiculous anyway but its a little simpler.

well, if you do that, whats the point?

exchange --- (low mix) ---> your address ---- (high mix) ----> your same address...

there's already an easily traceable link to your primary address. All you've done is given tx fees to miners. Which is great for miners.

Nobody can tell that the addresses are the same. For all anyone can tell those coins moved off to a completely different owner, and in fact the high mix spend is ambiguous so they could have moved off in to a number of different places. In fact it isn't even visible whether the coins moved. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.




I remember you recently stating that you had used one wallet for transfers from exchanges and then sent that Monero to a different wallet so that you could use a higher mixin value because exchanges use a mixin of 0 or 1.  From what you are saying here, different wallets are not necessary.

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January 24, 2015, 02:05:01 AM
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Cross-posted from: https://xmrmonero.com/article/en/monero-torrent

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We are proud to announce the release of a torrent of Monero 0.8.8.6 for Windows. This torrent includes the blockchain, lightwallet.exe and simplewallet.exe. The complete torrents weights 2.4 Gb.

To download, open your favorite torrent application and enter the following magnet link (double click to select it all):

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2F68E7CC7FB7AC264758DE3BBA3108AA87F07C99&dn=bitmonerod.zip&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.ccc.de%3a80%2fannounce

Remember to keep seeding after you downloaded, to make the download faster for the ones who come after you.

Below are md5 and virus scans
  • md5sum bitmonerod.zip: a8f6baf1ae8ac9ad8970f79c0430165d
  • md5sum bitmonerod.exe: a8f6baf1ae8ac9ad8970f79c0430165d
  • md5sum lightWallet.exe: 6e9aa82cd7388aaf5e408d4a8adb883e
  • md5sum simplewallet.exe: d65a3970a03eb2f6f8f2e3e480c42b8e
The executables have been scanned with virustotal. lighWallet.exe has three positives (probably false), the others have none.
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January 24, 2015, 02:08:05 AM
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We're trying to get a community wide minimum mixin level of 3, correct?

I think the community should start petitioning the major exchanges to modify their withdrawal function.

Nice suggestion.

To have to go through an intermediary mymonero wallet is... ridiculous.

AFAIK you don't have to use an intermediary wallet. I think that if you just have to resend them to yourself. Which is kind of ridiculous anyway but its a little simpler.

well, if you do that, whats the point?

exchange --- (low mix) ---> your address ---- (high mix) ----> your same address...

there's already an easily traceable link to your primary address. All you've done is given tx fees to miners. Which is great for miners.

Nobody can tell that the addresses are the same. For all anyone can tell those coins moved off to a completely different owner, and in fact the high mix spend is ambiguous so they could have moved off in to a number of different places. In fact it isn't even visible whether the coins moved. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.




I remember you recently stating that you had used one wallet for transfers from exchanges and then sent that Monero to a different wallet so that you could use a higher mixin value because exchanges use a mixin of 0 or 1.  From what you are saying here, different wallets are not necessary.

Since there is no coin control it is hard to do this without separate wallets. If you move coins from an exchange to a wallet that has some other coins in it, you can't really respend the exchange coins (using a higher mix) without also respending your other coins, which wastes money on fees.

It also somewhat links your other coins to the exchange coins since they would be used in the same tranasction. The linkage is weak since there is ambiguity about which coins are actually used, but it is easy to avoid the issue by using a separate intermediate wallet.

In the future I imagine there will be coin control features in wallets so you would be able to say "just move these coins"
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January 24, 2015, 02:10:07 AM
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Probably?

The binary is just the python source for lightwallet plus a self-installer that comes from pyinstaller. We don't fully understand the issue but one guess is that some malware has used pyinstaller as well, so it kicks off some false positives. We don't think there is a high risk here, but jwinterm (author of lightwallet) is looking to see if there is another way to package it to avoid the virustotal hits.

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