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very nascent idea seed I wanted to plant here to see what may happen.
basically, use the privacy features of monero to somehow fix some of the problems in contemporary science.
from my experience, some of the fundamental problems with modern science is the peer review process - many journals function as gatekeepers, rejecting the publication of certain articles they feel "aren't worthy" of publication in that particular journal. this kind of crap grinds science to a slow tumbling pace. Article submissions can take 6 months. Then it gets rejected. THen its another 6 months. So, something you figure out a year ago still hasn't made it out to the community. Frustrating.
To counter this, open access (somewhat free for all) journals such as PLOS have cropped up -the idea being that the scientific community will eventually determine the worthiness of a publication simply based on its influence on the field - i.e., others will reference it. I.e., it will undergo peer review for its scientific merit only, as opposed to some ill-defined (and often reviewer-interpreted) journal specific merit.
The problem here of course is that there is soooo much published, it becomes impossible to separate the interesting stuff from the other stuff.
And if this # of citations index is the measure of a publications worth, this takes time - years to do additional research in order to write an article to cite the original article and thus increase its standing in the literature. And if you go the non-PLOS route, add another year for the journal process.
Thus, it'd be great if there was a way for the scientific community to go "yeah, i agree with that article" for whatever reason - they've observed similar phenomena, etc. It would be a way for consensus to form within a much shorter time frame to guide the field more efficiently.
once could imagine that a system such as reddits upvoting may work, but there's no economic cost for exploit. Hence, monero.
this app could also potentially benefit from monero trust and monero ID.
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generalizethis
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March 23, 2015, 05:04:58 PM |
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very nascent idea seed I wanted to plant here to see what may happen.
basically, use the privacy features of monero to somehow fix some of the problems in contemporary science.
from my experience, some of the fundamental problems with modern science is the peer review process - many journals function as gatekeepers, rejecting the publication of certain articles they feel "aren't worthy" of publication in that particular journal. this kind of crap grinds science to a slow tumbling pace. Article submissions can take 6 months. Then it gets rejected. THen its another 6 months. So, something you figure out a year ago still hasn't made it out to the community. Frustrating.
To counter this, open access (somewhat free for all) journals such as PLOS have cropped up -the idea being that the scientific community will eventually determine the worthiness of a publication simply based on its influence on the field - i.e., others will reference it. I.e., it will undergo peer review for its scientific merit only, as opposed to some ill-defined (and often reviewer-interpreted) journal specific merit.
The problem here of course is that there is soooo much published, it becomes impossible to separate the interesting stuff from the other stuff.
And if this # of citations index is the measure of a publications worth, this takes time - years to do additional research in order to write an article to cite the original article and thus increase its standing in the literature. And if you go the non-PLOS route, add another year for the journal process.
Thus, it'd be great if there was a way for the scientific community to go "yeah, i agree with that article" for whatever reason - they've observed similar phenomena, etc. It would be a way for consensus to form within a much shorter time frame to guide the field more efficiently.
once could imagine that a system such as reddits upvoting may work, but there's no economic cost for exploit. Hence, monero.
this app could also potentially benefit from monero trust and monero ID.
Just throwing out my first thought and not worrying too much. It could use a system where you are awarded a certain number of vote credits. But let's say that someone is particularly good at picking good material, then once a certain vote threshold is reached, then the votes could be redistributed to all who upvoted the article. You could also use a system that had field specialization (nuclear scientist voting on nuclear materials, botanists voting on botany work, ect.) which would take out the non-specialist who have little insight in other fields. Would be awesome to have a pro-reddit and not have to fish through endless comments to get at the heart of an issue. |
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GingerAle
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March 23, 2015, 05:32:36 PM |
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very nascent idea seed I wanted to plant here to see what may happen.
basically, use the privacy features of monero to somehow fix some of the problems in contemporary science.
from my experience, some of the fundamental problems with modern science is the peer review process - many journals function as gatekeepers, rejecting the publication of certain articles they feel "aren't worthy" of publication in that particular journal. this kind of crap grinds science to a slow tumbling pace. Article submissions can take 6 months. Then it gets rejected. THen its another 6 months. So, something you figure out a year ago still hasn't made it out to the community. Frustrating.
To counter this, open access (somewhat free for all) journals such as PLOS have cropped up -the idea being that the scientific community will eventually determine the worthiness of a publication simply based on its influence on the field - i.e., others will reference it. I.e., it will undergo peer review for its scientific merit only, as opposed to some ill-defined (and often reviewer-interpreted) journal specific merit.
The problem here of course is that there is soooo much published, it becomes impossible to separate the interesting stuff from the other stuff.
And if this # of citations index is the measure of a publications worth, this takes time - years to do additional research in order to write an article to cite the original article and thus increase its standing in the literature. And if you go the non-PLOS route, add another year for the journal process.
Thus, it'd be great if there was a way for the scientific community to go "yeah, i agree with that article" for whatever reason - they've observed similar phenomena, etc. It would be a way for consensus to form within a much shorter time frame to guide the field more efficiently.
once could imagine that a system such as reddits upvoting may work, but there's no economic cost for exploit. Hence, monero.
this app could also potentially benefit from monero trust and monero ID.
Just throwing out my first thought and not worrying too much. It could use a system where you are awarded a certain number of vote credits. But let's say that someone is particularly good at picking good material, then once a certain vote threshold is reached, then the votes could be redistributed to all who upvoted the article. You could also use a system that had field specialization (nuclear scientist voting on nuclear materials, botanists voting on botany work, ect.) which would take out the non-specialist who have little insight in other fields. Would be awesome to have a pro-reddit and not have to fish through endless comments to get at the heart of an issue. hrm, not sure im pickin up what you're putting down here. it would all be done anonymously, thanks to monero. The potential influence of non-specialists may be mitigated due to the cost of voting. of course, one could "buy" influence if this works directly off the monero main chain. I guess it could also utilize a daughter chain. "pro-reddit" - yeah, thats the idea,.... create an economic cost for voting / posting content. I'm sure it any forum implemented a per-post cost, there'd be a significant signal-noise ratio increase. |
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generalizethis
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March 23, 2015, 05:44:01 PM |
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very nascent idea seed I wanted to plant here to see what may happen.
basically, use the privacy features of monero to somehow fix some of the problems in contemporary science.
from my experience, some of the fundamental problems with modern science is the peer review process - many journals function as gatekeepers, rejecting the publication of certain articles they feel "aren't worthy" of publication in that particular journal. this kind of crap grinds science to a slow tumbling pace. Article submissions can take 6 months. Then it gets rejected. THen its another 6 months. So, something you figure out a year ago still hasn't made it out to the community. Frustrating.
To counter this, open access (somewhat free for all) journals such as PLOS have cropped up -the idea being that the scientific community will eventually determine the worthiness of a publication simply based on its influence on the field - i.e., others will reference it. I.e., it will undergo peer review for its scientific merit only, as opposed to some ill-defined (and often reviewer-interpreted) journal specific merit.
The problem here of course is that there is soooo much published, it becomes impossible to separate the interesting stuff from the other stuff.
And if this # of citations index is the measure of a publications worth, this takes time - years to do additional research in order to write an article to cite the original article and thus increase its standing in the literature. And if you go the non-PLOS route, add another year for the journal process.
Thus, it'd be great if there was a way for the scientific community to go "yeah, i agree with that article" for whatever reason - they've observed similar phenomena, etc. It would be a way for consensus to form within a much shorter time frame to guide the field more efficiently.
once could imagine that a system such as reddits upvoting may work, but there's no economic cost for exploit. Hence, monero.
this app could also potentially benefit from monero trust and monero ID.
Just throwing out my first thought and not worrying too much. It could use a system where you are awarded a certain number of vote credits. But let's say that someone is particularly good at picking good material, then once a certain vote threshold is reached, then the votes could be redistributed to all who upvoted the article. You could also use a system that had field specialization (nuclear scientist voting on nuclear materials, botanists voting on botany work, ect.) which would take out the non-specialist who have little insight in other fields. Would be awesome to have a pro-reddit and not have to fish through endless comments to get at the heart of an issue. hrm, not sure im pickin up what you're putting down here. it would all be done anonymously, thanks to monero. The potential influence of non-specialists may be mitigated due to the cost of voting. of course, one could "buy" influence if this works directly off the monero main chain. I guess it could also utilize a daughter chain. "pro-reddit" - yeah, thats the idea,.... create an economic cost for voting / posting content. I'm sure it any forum implemented a per-post cost, there'd be a significant signal-noise ratio increase. I was thinking the site would distribute the credits. Like a professor of psychology would be given five credits (max and minimum to be determined by site) a month by Psychologyliterature.to and then you would use those credits (or save them) to vote up materials you liked. maybe develop a base system that could be configured by site owners? |
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VDechand
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March 23, 2015, 05:48:39 PM |
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Hello, i have start with mining today. My problem is, my miner don´t work. I have a nvidia GPU und use ccminer. Here the script:
ccminer -o stratum+tcp://monerohash.com:3333 -u 43F11qm2pS4Upf7ELT3kJjVSmRnsvUXLGPzP6BkGBYJx6ddnAahPPgbNJsma3vzq9FVhfzTLEQG35PG A2Tj4XuPBPoNqKh1 -p x
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GingerAle
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March 23, 2015, 05:50:10 PM |
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Hello, i have start with mining today. My problem is, my miner don´t work. I have a nvidia GPU und use ccminer. Here the script:
ccminer -o stratum+tcp://monerohash.com:3333 -u 43F11qm2pS4Upf7ELT3kJjVSmRnsvUXLGPzP6BkGBYJx6ddnAahPPgbNJsma3vzq9FVhfzTLEQG35PG A2Tj4XuPBPoNqKh1 -p x
whats the error your getting? |
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March 23, 2015, 05:51:15 PM |
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"pro-reddit" - yeah, thats the idea,.... create an economic cost for voting / posting content. I'm sure it any forum implemented a per-post cost, there'd be a significant signal-noise ratio increase.
Maybe so. But also, it may end up like television networks, magazines, etc: the broadcast/published content has been purchased or serves to benefit the main organization itself. It is, though, an interesting idea, GingerAle. |
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5w00p
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March 23, 2015, 05:56:09 PM |
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Hello, i have start with mining today. My problem is, my miner don´t work. I have a nvidia GPU und use ccminer. Here the script:
ccminer -o stratum+tcp://monerohash.com:3333 -u 43F11qm2pS4Upf7ELT3kJjVSmRnsvUXLGPzP6BkGBYJx6ddnAahPPgbNJsma3vzq9FVhfzTLEQG35PG A2Tj4XuPBPoNqKh1 -p x
VDechand, check out this thread on Monero Mining: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653467.0You are going to want to run tsiv's special version of ccminer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656841.msg7487737#msg7487737Regular ccminer is (AFAIK) not for mining Monero's algorithm, Cryptonote. |
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GingerAle
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March 23, 2015, 05:57:39 PM |
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^^^ that. if you're using a standard version of ccminer, you can not mine monero. You have to install tsivs version. |
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VDechand
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March 23, 2015, 06:03:43 PM |
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Okay, i have downloaded the tsiv ccminer and i put the script mine program in the same file witht the ccminer. i starting the miner and he closed direct after i´m starting this.
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GingerAle
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March 23, 2015, 06:20:41 PM |
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Okay, i have downloaded the tsiv ccminer and i put the script mine program in the same file witht the ccminer. i starting the miner and he closed direct after i´m starting this.
lets take this to the mining thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653467.560 |
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pandher
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March 23, 2015, 06:40:49 PM |
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Can we cool off posting in Darkcoin threads? It is nothing but beating dead horses. Fools cant be helped and its certainly getting us a bad name
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Shrikez
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March 23, 2015, 06:46:55 PM |
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Can we cool off posting in Darkcoin threads? It is nothing but beating dead horses. Fools cant be helped and its certainly getting us a bad name
yes, I agree. I don't care if it gives us a bad name with the D(r)ash crowd but I think the points have been made. |
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BlockaFett
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March 23, 2015, 07:19:08 PM |
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Can we cool off posting in Darkcoin threads? It is nothing but beating dead horses. Fools cant be helped and its certainly getting us a bad name
I would ask the same. 2 of the core monero devs (Smooth and Fluffypony) have been posting fulltime in DRK thread and reddit for days: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10862640#msg10862640a lot of people are asking why - this is very unusual for a top 20 coin. And drk is in the top 5 so why are they bothered to spend all there time there instead of here. IDK. |
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aminorex
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March 23, 2015, 07:19:51 PM |
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Personally, I have come to prefer "privacy" to "anonymity".
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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generalizethis
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March 23, 2015, 07:25:17 PM |
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Can we cool off posting in Darkcoin threads? It is nothing but beating dead horses. Fools cant be helped and its certainly getting us a bad name
I would ask the same. 2 of the core monero devs (Smooth and Fluffypony) have been posting fulltime in DRK thread and reddit for days: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10862640#msg10862640a lot of people are asking why - this is very unusual for a top 20 coin. And drk is in the top 5 so why are they bothered to spend all there time there instead of here. IDK. They are concerned with privacy and drk is selling itself as a privacy solution. If they think it is a fraud, then they'd be remiss not to. *also, I don't think you know what all means. |
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BlockaFett
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March 23, 2015, 07:28:22 PM |
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are there actually any real investors here lol? talk about scams - thanks for the education thankfully it cost me $0  |
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generalizethis
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March 23, 2015, 07:33:18 PM |
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are there actually any real investors here lol? talk about scams - thanks for the education thankfully it cost me $0 If you're invested in drk for the duration, it will cost you all your investment. If you're using drk and the FBI gets interested, it will cost you all your privacy, and if you think you're fooling anyone with your concerned troll act, you're all mistaken. |
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BlockaFett
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March 23, 2015, 07:39:52 PM |
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are there actually any real investors here lol? talk about scams - thanks for the education thankfully it cost me $0 If you're invested in drk for the duration, it will cost you all your investment. If you're using drk and the FBI gets interested, it will cost you all your privacy, and if you think you're fooling anyone with your concerned troll act, you're all mistaken. If I was concern trolling, I would repost minor variations of above text every 30 minutes for 3 days non-stop, like the Monero core dev 'Smooth' does on the DRK thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=13813;sa=showPostsinstead I made my point, cheers  |
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generalizethis
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March 23, 2015, 07:44:12 PM |
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are there actually any real investors here lol? talk about scams - thanks for the education thankfully it cost me $0 If you're invested in drk for the duration, it will cost you all your investment. If you're using drk and the FBI gets interested, it will cost you all your privacy, and if you think you're fooling anyone with your concerned troll act, you're all mistaken. If I was concern trolling, I would repost minor variations of above text every 30 minutes for 3 days non-stop, like the Monero core dev 'Smooth' does on the DRK thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=13813;sa=showPostsinstead I made my point, cheers He warned you, so when it goes south, you can't say no one tried. Good luck. |
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