[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[dEBRUYNE]

I've got a new article up on the news site that may interest some of you.  

A Redditor created a fantastic spreadsheet that covers 115 VPN providers with regards to how they handle various privacy focused criteria.  Bitcoin support is there, and Monero isn't mentioned, but perhaps one day that might change.

My little blurb about it is here: https://hellomonero.com/article/spreadsheet-over-100-vpn-providers-detailing-how-they-handle-privacy

The original article is at: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/49gywi/a_little_bird_told_me_that_you_guys_might_like/

Thanks for making that article. Furthermore, bear in mind that you can basically pay any Bitcoin address privately with Monero using xmr.to.

[luigi1111]

The following is an idea requesting very modest funding. The way it is presented is good but being my usual clueless self I have no way of evaluating it. Please help in doing so.

https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/2504/improving-developer-guides-to-include-simplewallet-examples-and-bitmonerod-methods-and-examples

I support it, and the rate seems pretty reasonable. Of course, in my head, Monero is still worth 50 cents.

[fluffypony]

The following is an idea requesting very modest funding. The way it is presented is good but being my usual clueless self I have no way of evaluating it. Please help in doing so.

https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/2504/improving-developer-guides-to-include-simplewallet-examples-and-bitmonerod-methods-and-examples

I support it, and the rate seems pretty reasonable. Of course, in my head, Monero is still worth 50 cents.

So you're saying that Fiddy Cent loves Monero?

[Drhiggins]

The following is an idea requesting very modest funding. The way it is presented is good but being my usual clueless self I have no way of evaluating it. Please help in doing so.

https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/2504/improving-developer-guides-to-include-simplewallet-examples-and-bitmonerod-methods-and-examples

I support it, and the rate seems pretty reasonable. Of course, in my head, Monero is still worth 50 cents.

So you're saying that Fiddy Cent loves Monero?

Yeah he's gonna take Monero to the Candy Shop  LOL

[birr]

Fifty Cent accepts bitcoin.
Let's tell him about Monero.

[americanpegasus]

XMR needs to be ready to step in as soon as that Gui is ready. And definitely before that Zcash bullshit is released. Because it is guaranteed they will be stealing the privacy spotlight from all other coins even though they have so many gaping flaws they are not to be trusted on release. I just can't imagine having to trust 3 people with an entire economies worth of wealth!! MY god That is worse than the current Banking system!

Let me tell you what's gonna happen, because of course it's gonna happen.  

 
We got these genesis keys, right?  That if used would let us do whatever want to the blockchain.  So of course they can never be used.  
  
BUT, if someone were to find an exploit and counterfeit infinite coins it would also wreck the opaque blockchain.... UNLESS we secretly keep the Genesis keys (and of course I mean in a very secure place) and only if things go horribly wrong will we ever use them....  

 
So you can rest assured that with ZCash, there will almost certainly be someone with keys to your entire economy because 'it's a responsible fail-safe to have'.

Fifty Cent accepts bitcoin.
Let's tell him about Monero.

At least he won't be ordered to bankruptcy court to explain all the Monero he is holding.  In fact, someone needs to photoshop those pics of him with all that money saying "Shoulda held Monero..."  
  

[elrippo]

The new ShapeShift includes Payment ID for Monero:

https://beta.shapeshift.io/beta

Yeah, it only offers a payment ID but no Monero base address 
Can i make a transaction only with a payment ID without providing a base address 

[smooth]

The new ShapeShift includes Payment ID for Monero:

https://beta.shapeshift.io/beta

Yeah, it only offers a payment ID but no Monero base address 
Can i make a transaction only with a payment ID without providing a base address 

Certainly not. I have no idea what would be going on there.

[elrippo]

The new ShapeShift includes Payment ID for Monero:

https://beta.shapeshift.io/beta

Yeah, it only offers a payment ID but no Monero base address 
Can i make a transaction only with a payment ID without providing a base address 

Certainly not. I have no idea what would be going on there.

Found it, my fault 

On the screen they first provide the ID and then way down the base address. Maybe someone of the devs could remind them to put both in one row and not separate them 

Shapeshift
Shapeshift1

[Quicken]

I have been reading a little about freemit:
https://www.freemit.com/blog/the-future-of-money-transfer-how-bitcoin-and-blockchain-technology-will-change-everything/

For someone with the time/inclination/skills to put it together, it seems to me a similar project with private transactions might be a winner.
Any thoughts?
Q

[dEBRUYNE]

**Funding required! Improving Developer Guides to include Simplewallet examples and Bitmonerod methods and examples**

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2504/improving-developer-guides-to-include-simplewallet-examples-and-bitmonerod-methods-and-examples

[aminorex]

It is only exploratory so far, but a major East Coast U.S. V.C. has asked me to brief them on XMR. (Please do not speculate on this basis.).  What are the best collateral materials for this purpose?  Software engineers with some bitcoin exposure will be there, and I should like to satisfy their questions from script, where possible.

[iCEBREAKER]

It is only exploratory so far, but a major East Coast U.S. V.C. has asked me to brief them on XMR. (Please do not speculate on this basis.).  What are the best collateral materials for this purpose?  Software engineers with some bitcoin exposure will be there, and I should like to satisfy their questions from script, where possible.

Intro: http://www.slideshare.net/arnuschky/monero-geneva

Monero Talk at Bitcoinference  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVm1dMn5Ks
LTB E202 - Understanding Monero  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6ftNOe0Io
https://moneroeconomy.com/faq-page

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Adaptive Blocksize - Wild & Free^® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }

[Bassica]

Quality post Icebreaker, nice one. Thanks for that.

[binaryFate]

Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014

It's nice to quote Adam Back but I think his formulation is weak.
It's better expressed as "Fungibility requires privacy". The later relationship makes it clear there is no other way to obtain fungibility at the macro scale than to offer privacy at the user scale.

[binaryFate]

I'dd add this one: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1DhkKr3IzcnFJZt64jvMWgRGDwgrNseg3T5TD84VqdAk/edit?usp=sharing

[iCEBREAKER]

Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014

It's nice to quote Adam Back but I think his formulation is weak.
It's better expressed as "Fungibility requires privacy". The later relationship makes it clear there is no other way to obtain fungibility at the macro scale than to offer privacy at the user scale.

Adam's (admittedly subtle) formulation is exactly right; yours creates chicken-or-egg recursion.  Did you listen to the context?

He may have put up some reddit posts on the subject too.  CBA to find them tho.   

[dEBRUYNE]

**Funding required! Improving Developer Guides to include Simplewallet examples and Bitmonerod methods and examples**

https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/2504/improving-developer-guides-to-include-simplewallet-examples-and-bitmonerod-methods-and-examples

Fully funded already, thanks to everyone who donated!

[binaryFate]

Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014

It's nice to quote Adam Back but I think his formulation is weak.
It's better expressed as "Fungibility requires privacy". The later relationship makes it clear there is no other way to obtain fungibility at the macro scale than to offer privacy at the user scale.

Adam's (admittedly subtle) formulation is exactly right; yours creates chicken-or-egg recursion.  Did you listen to the context?

He may have put up some reddit posts on the subject too.  CBA to find them tho.  

It's more a matter of PR and catchyness rather than pure logic, for me both are correct in terms of logic.
What I find weak/unintuitive with his statement is that he expresses the desired result at the global scale (fungibility) and says "by the way that also gives you" the desired result at the individual scale (pricacy).
I much prefer to express that if you want to get to the general goal "fungibility", you'll have to design your system for the goal "privacy" and there is no alternative that'd by-pass it.

[iCEBREAKER]

Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014

It's nice to quote Adam Back but I think his formulation is weak.
It's better expressed as "Fungibility requires privacy". The later relationship makes it clear there is no other way to obtain fungibility at the macro scale than to offer privacy at the user scale.

Adam's (admittedly subtle) formulation is exactly right; yours creates chicken-or-egg recursion.  Did you listen to the context?

He may have put up some reddit posts on the subject too.  CBA to find them tho.  

It's more a matter of PR and catchyness rather than pure logic, for me both are correct in terms of logic.
What I find weak/unintuitive with his statement is that he expresses the desired result at the global scale (fungibility) and says "by the way that also gives you" the desired result at the individual scale (pricacy).
I much prefer to express that if you want to get to the general goal "fungibility", you'll have to design your system for the goal "privacy" and there is no alternative that'd by-pass it

Monero's "involuntary" (ie 100%) fungibility is logically prior to its privacy, which is an emergent property.

Systemic macro scale fungibility supervenes upon privacy at the individual user level.

Pure logic FTW.