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December 19, 2014, 09:18:09 AM
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There seems to be a problem with 0.8.8.6 on one of my machines.

It seems to be unable to establish any connection with the outside world. 0.8.8.4 on the same PC worked well and I'm not aware of having changed anything to the network settings.

I used print_cn to show the connections and there don't seem to be any. What am I missing?
This is on a Win 8.1 Pro 64bit with 8GB.

I've got no such problems on my other computers with the rest of my XMR wallets. They are all running on win 7 64bit.

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2014-Dec-19 09:07:55.870850 Starting...
2014-Dec-19 09:07:55.876851 bitmonero v0.8.8.6-release
2014-Dec-19 09:07:55.877850 Module folder: bitmonerod.exe
2014-Dec-19 09:07:55.880851 Initializing P2P server...
2014-Dec-19 09:23:40.873969 Binding on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Dec-19 09:23:40.874969 Net service bound to 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Dec-19 09:23:40.875969 Attempting to add IGD port mapping.
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.911141 UPnP device was found but not recoginzed as IGD.
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.912142 P2P server initialized OK
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.912142 Initializing protocol...
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.912142 Protocol initialized OK
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.912142 Initializing core RPC server...
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.912142 Binding on 127.0.0.1:18081
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.914142 Core RPC server initialized OK on port: 18081
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.914142 Initializing core...
2014-Dec-19 09:23:43.916142 Loading blockchain...
2014-Dec-19 09:24:36.105130 Blockchain initialized. last block: 297522, d39.h18.
m32.s18 time ago, current difficulty: 1005607647
2014-Dec-19 09:38:40.552490 Core initialized OK
2014-Dec-19 09:38:40.553491 Starting core RPC server...
2014-Dec-19 09:38:40.554490 Run net_service loop( 2 threads)...
2014-Dec-19 09:38:40.555490 [SRV_MAIN]Core RPC server started ok
2014-Dec-19 09:38:40.557490 [SRV_MAIN]Starting P2P net loop...
2014-Dec-19 09:38:40.559490 [SRV_MAIN]Run net_service loop( 10 threads)...
2014-Dec-19 09:38:41.559552 [P2P7]
**********************************************************************
The daemon will start synchronizing with the network. It may take up to several
hours.

You can set the level of process detailization* through "set_log <level>" comman
d*, where <level> is between 0 (no details) and 4 (very verbose).

Use "help" command to see the list of available commands.

Note: in case you need to interrupt the process, use "exit" command. Otherwise,
the current progress won't be saved.
**********************************************************************
print_cn
2014-Dec-19 09:39:25.929087 Connections:
Remote Host              Peer id             Recv/Sent (inactive,sec) State
               Livetime(seconds)

print_cn
2014-Dec-19 09:50:34.520404 Connections:
Remote Host              Peer id             Recv/Sent (inactive,sec) State
               Livetime(seconds)

A set_log 4 gives me the following info:

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set_log 4
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.654726 [P2P8]Failed to connect to 54.216.81.72:18080, becau
se of timeout (5000)
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.656700 [P2P8][sock 18446744073709551615] Socket destroyed w
ithout shutdown.
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.657699 [P2P8][sock 18446744073709551615] Socket destroyed
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.659698 [P2P8][0.0.0.0:0 OUT]~async_protocol_handler()
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.660699 [P2P8][0.0.0.0:0 OUT]Connect failed to 54.216.81.72:
18080
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.661698 [P2P8]Random connection index=14(x=18, max_index=20)

2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.662699 [P2P8]Random connection index=6(x=14, max_index=20)
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.664699 [P2P8]Selected peer: 3871097311335872248 75.130.93.7
1:18080[white=1] last_seen: d39.h19.m20.s7
2014-Dec-19 10:13:39.665699 [P2P8]Connecting to 75.130.93.71:18080(white=1, last
_seen: d39.h19.m20.s7)...
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.667986 [P2P8]Failed to connect to 75.130.93.71:18080, becau
se of timeout (5000)
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.669986 [P2P8][sock 18446744073709551615] Socket destroyed w
ithout shutdown.
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.670986 [P2P8][sock 18446744073709551615] Socket destroyed
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.671985 [P2P8][0.0.0.0:0 OUT]~async_protocol_handler()
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.674986 [P2P8][0.0.0.0:0 OUT]Connect failed to 75.130.93.71:
18080
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.675987 [P2P8]Random connection index=8(x=15, max_index=20)
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.677986 [P2P8]Selected peer: 8636639648022532547 54.74.76.39
:18080[white=1] last_seen: d39.h19.m20.s12
2014-Dec-19 10:13:44.678986 [P2P8]Connecting to 54.74.76.39:18080(white=1, last_
seen: d39.h19.m20.s12)...
2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.681273 [P2P8]Failed to connect to 54.74.76.39:18080, becaus
e of timeout (5000)
2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.682273 [P2P8][sock 18446744073709551615] Socket destroyed w
ithout shutdown.
2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.684273 [P2P8][sock 18446744073709551615] Socket destroyed
2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.685273 [P2P8][0.0.0.0:0 OUT]~async_protocol_handler()
2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.687273 [P2P8][0.0.0.0:0 OUT]Connect failed to 54.74.76.39:1
8080
2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.688273 [P2P8]Random connection index=17(x=19, max_index=20)

2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.690274 [P2P8]Selected peer: 6440814414158728653 176.212.72.
122:18080[white=1] last_seen: d39.h19.m51.s32
2014-Dec-19 10:13:49.692274 [P2P8]Connecting to 176.212.72.122:18080(white=1, la
st_seen: d39.h19.m51.s32)...
2014-Dec-19 10:13:54.694587 [P2P8]Failed to connect to 176.212.72.122:18080, bec
ause of timeout (5000)

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December 19, 2014, 01:40:33 PM
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probabily a firewall o antivirus block bitmonerod
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December 19, 2014, 02:08:56 PM
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There seems to be a problem with 0.8.8.6 on one of my machines.

It seems to be unable to establish any connection with the outside world. 0.8.8.4 on the same PC worked well and I'm not aware of having changed anything to the network settings.

I used print_cn to show the connections and there don't seem to be any. What am I missing?
This is on a Win 8.1 Pro 64bit with 8GB.

I've got no such problems on my other computers with the rest of my XMR wallets. They are all running on win 7 64bit.

Try delete your p2pstate.bin and start the daemon up again?

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There seems to be a problem with 0.8.8.6 on one of my machines.

It seems to be unable to establish any connection with the outside world. 0.8.8.4 on the same PC worked well and I'm not aware of having changed anything to the network settings.

I used print_cn to show the connections and there don't seem to be any. What am I missing?
This is on a Win 8.1 Pro 64bit with 8GB.

I've got no such problems on my other computers with the rest of my XMR wallets. They are all running on win 7 64bit.

Try delete your p2pstate.bin and start the daemon up again?

Hi small furry horse,

thanks I tried that just now. The result is:

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2014-Dec-19 16:09:58.518436 Starting...
2014-Dec-19 16:09:58.521434 bitmonero v0.8.8.6-release
2014-Dec-19 16:09:58.522434 Module folder: bitmonerod.exe
2014-Dec-19 16:09:58.522434 Initializing P2P server...
2014-Dec-19 16:25:45.717678 Binding on 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Dec-19 16:25:45.718678 Net service bound to 0.0.0.0:18080
2014-Dec-19 16:25:45.719678 Attempting to add IGD port mapping.
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.743851 UPnP device was found but not recoginzed as IGD.
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.744851 P2P server initialized OK
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.744851 Initializing protocol...
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.744851 Protocol initialized OK
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.744851 Initializing core RPC server...
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.745855 Binding on 127.0.0.1:18081
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.745855 Core RPC server initialized OK on port: 18081
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.745855 Initializing core...
2014-Dec-19 16:25:48.747851 Loading blockchain...
2014-Dec-19 16:26:39.272749 Blockchain initialized. last block: 297522, d40.h1.m
34.s21 time ago, current difficulty: 1005607647
2014-Dec-19 16:40:41.491982 Core initialized OK
2014-Dec-19 16:40:41.492977 Starting core RPC server...
2014-Dec-19 16:40:41.493976 Run net_service loop( 2 threads)...
2014-Dec-19 16:40:41.495976 [SRV_MAIN]Core RPC server started ok
2014-Dec-19 16:40:41.496976 [SRV_MAIN]Starting P2P net loop...
2014-Dec-19 16:40:41.497976 [SRV_MAIN]Run net_service loop( 10 threads)...
2014-Dec-19 16:40:42.498061 [P2P7]
**********************************************************************
The daemon will start synchronizing with the network. It may take up to several
hours.

You can set the level of process detailization* through "set_log <level>" comman
d*, where <level> is between 0 (no details) and 4 (very verbose).

Use "help" command to see the list of available commands.

Note: in case you need to interrupt the process, use "exit" command. Otherwise,
the current progress won't be saved.
**********************************************************************
2014-Dec-19 16:41:28.016668 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:42:11.818149 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:42:55.727664 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:43:43.314416 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:44:30.731129 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:45:14.486610 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:46:02.292347 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:46:49.938103 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:47:33.886620 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds
2014-Dec-19 16:48:21.033324 [P2P8]Failed to connect to any of seed peers, contin
uing without seeds


What is also different to before with 0.8.8.4 are the long waiting times after Initializing P2P server... and Blockchain initialized. last block: 297522, d40.h1.m
34.s21 time ago, current difficulty: 1005607647
, marked in purple in above excerpt. Almost 15 minutes, never seen that before.

It's a fast PC with SSD and 8 GB, loading or saving the blockchain usually takes between 25 and 40 sec.

I tried with firewall off, checked the exceptions, switched off the antivirus, nothing seems to help.

Do you think an uninstall of Bitmonero could be of any help?

Thanks

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December 19, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
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^Try "save" in the daemon and restart it. You could also try 'save' in the old version daemon after deleting p2pstate.bin and then run the new daemon - that worked for me.

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December 19, 2014, 08:28:36 PM
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There seems to be a problem with the built in seed nodes. If you don't have a valid p2pstate file, you need seed nodes to find the network (as long as you have such as file they are unused).

Here are a couple of working nodes to try. These are just regular nodes, not official seed nodes so they might not be available at a later date

--seed-node 5.9.23.116:18080
--seed-node 198.27.64.122:18080
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Here are a couple of working nodes to try. These are just regular nodes, not official seed nodes so they might not be available at a later date

--seed-node 5.9.23.116:18080
--seed-node 198.27.64.122:18080
use like
bitmonerod --seed-node 198.74.231.92:18080
bitmonerod --seed-node 182.92.68.201:18080
bitmonerod --seed-node 37.187.75.56:18080

needed: some current nodes that are stable

trouble: what if someone doesn't want to have their adresses logged in a public forum?
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Here are a couple of working nodes to try. These are just regular nodes, not official seed nodes so they might not be available at a later date

--seed-node 5.9.23.116:18080
--seed-node 198.27.64.122:18080
use like
bitmonerod --seed-node 198.74.231.92:18080
bitmonerod --seed-node 182.92.68.201:18080
bitmonerod --seed-node 37.187.75.56:18080

needed: some current nodes that are stable

trouble: what if someone doesn't want to have their adresses logged in a public forum?

A set list of seed nodes isn't really needed. The default list built into the node will get fixed and until it does (or if there are such problems in the future) just get some IPs from any other user. (print_cn command on any working node)

As far as IPs getting logged if you aren't comfortable with that you shouldn't be on a p2p network. Your IP is being sent to all the other nodes (i.e public). Nobody knows it's you though.
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As far as IPs getting logged if you aren't comfortable with that you shouldn't be on a p2p network. Your IP is being sent to all the other nodes (i.e public). Nobody knows it's you though.

isn't this the reason i2p is being integrated?

Sort of. Nobody will know the IP address of your Monero node, since it will be hidden behind i2p. But i2p is also p2p network, so your IP will be shared that way!

The main reason for using something like i2p is to obscure the association between your transactions and your IP address
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Use VPN! Period!
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December 20, 2014, 11:42:28 AM
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needed: some current nodes that are stable

That's why we have DNS seeds:) Initially I thought the issue was that the both of the reseeders were down (the daemon was offline on the one, and the reseeder was off on the other), but in that event the DNS records don't disappear, so seeds would still be accessible. It appears that the greater issue is our synchronous calls to libunbound at startup, which is something we've fixed and are testing at the moment.

If you need to manually add in DNS seeds you can just check the A records for seeds.moneroseeds.se / seeds.moneroseeds.ae.org / seeds.moneroseeds.ch / seeds.moneroseeds.li for a list of seeds.

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I put together some information today, hopefully it helps people.

I decided to track both AMD and NVIDIA's last financial year and try to compare that with bitcoin. I think I saw enough to say that AMD has likely directly benefited from a flourishing and healthy PoW cryptocurrency scene, reliant on Graphics cards. But as ASIC chips came to dominate Scrypt cryptocurrencies, they returned to where they started.

My interest here hinges on a couple of claims that ASIC devices for cryptonight could possibly be not as dominant over GPU's/CPU's as they were for Scrypt and Sha PoW currencies, and the emergence of a mobile market becoming highly competitive again due to the entrance of Qualcomm into the ARMs race for seemingly both datacenters, taking on xeon processors head on, and the newly emerging Internet of things. Being the worlds top mobile chip maker, they will have to make heavy and powerful moves to take on intel, and after observing the previous year with AMD and cryptocurrencies, I think that PoW cryptocurrencies may again come to benefit from this newly emerging giant in this sector.

So, first let's take a look at both AMD and NVIDIA's charts over the last year, and a summary of where they are today over the next three pictures:

Quick Summary:
AMD last year:
NVIDIA last year:

Note the distinct spike that is present in AMD from april last year (about the time BTC stopped going down for months) to after june this year (pretty much when money seemed to leave here), that is not so present in NVIDIA. Understand also that AMD dominated cryptocurrency mining.

Moving on, AMD is now taking on new challenges:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-16/amd-sales-may-miss-estimates-as-intel-gains-pc-orders.html

Quote from: bloomberg
"Su will have to speed up AMD’s efforts to expand in new markets where it doesn’t
face direct competition from the world’s largest chipmaker, such as chips for
game consoles. Her company is the provider of processors for Microsoft Corp.’s
newest Xbox and Sony Corp.’s latest PlayStation."

http://venturebeat.com/2014/01/21/amd-ceos-2014-outlook-pc-market-weaker-gaming-stronger-and-arm-server-chips-coming/

Quote from: Venturebeat
"Q1 revenues for PCs and graphics will be down, per seasonal and product launch
patterns. Read said that one closely watch product category, chips for ARM-based
servers, will have news soon. He said AMD expects to complete designs on its
first 64-bit ARM-based server chips in the first quarter. ARM servers are a
potential big market as a larger number of vendors will invade the x86-based
server chip market that is traditionally dominated by Intel."

...

"With the successful launch of the Sony PlayStation 4 and Microsoft Xbox One game
consoles (both of which have AMD chips), Read said that semi-custom and embedded
chips exceeded the company’s goal of being more than 20 percent of revenues at
the end of 2013. By the end of 2015, Read said that category would be more than
half of AMD’s revenue by the end of 2015."

Noting the move away from PC's and the renewed concentration on consoles, I'm making the leap that their new concentration will be on microprocessors using the ARM architecture. For more AMD news, see here : http://www.extremetech.com/tag/amd

Now, we should observe where Qualcomm fits into this.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/194701-qualcomm-will-enter-arm-server-market-with-major-partners-broad-solutions

Quote from: extremetech
Qualcomm could push ARM deep into the datacenter

With the collapse of Calxeda, companies like AMD and Applied Micro appear to be the best near-term challengers to Intel’s x86 datacenter business, and both should have hardware in the field before Qualcomm has shipping products to launch.

What does Qualcomm have that these other companies don’t? To be blunt: money. AMD and Applied Micro are taking similar strategies, with an emphasis on particular markets and unique features where the ARM architecture is best positioned. There’s nothing wrong with that — it is, in fact, the smart strategy to take, particularly for companies with limited cash flow.

Qualcomm, however, has the ability to challenge Intel on its own turf. That’s not to say that this is an automatic win — if large companies could be assured victory simply by spending money, Windows would already own the Android ecosystem and Intel’s Atom would power all but the cheapest tablets.

With massive giants like Qualcomm moving on taking on intel's xeon line, we're likely going to see some new competition come along probably late 2015, early 2016, as the push begins. Now is the time to get in contact with the people in these areas, and work with them to get the cryptonight algorithm successfully hashing on an ARM server processor, and maybe even whatever 64 bit chip Qualcomm is working on. If not the algorithm, at least Monero software could operate on what they're planning on pushing out (below)

These are the chips that will be in direct competition for dominance within the Internet of Things, as well as major datacenters.

http://www.eweek.com/servers/qualcomm-to-build-arm-based-server-chips.html

Quote from: eweek
"That said, the trend toward cloud computing is fueling interest in low-power
processor platforms. Cloud infrastructures demand high-performance servers that
are small and highly energy-efficient, making power consumption as important a
metric as compute capabilities. Intel has been aggressive in driving down the
energy usage of its x86-based Xeon and Atom chips, while ARM and its partners are
looking to address what they see as a significant opportunity.

At the same time, major Web companies such as Google and Facebook are building
their own highly efficient systems that run open-source software like Linux, and
are open to trying data center technologies—from processors and servers to
networking and storage—that are not made by the likes of Intel and Cisco. They
also are looking for greater customization from component makers."

So, where is the ultimate goal of cloud-based infrastructures going to lie? Surely more than standard home computer usage...

http://www.cnet.com/news/internet-of-things-gets-a-hand-from-arm-operating-system/

Quote from: cnet
"The UK-based chip designer's Mbed operating system is among several efforts, including the work of standards groups and a new wireless protocol, designed to speed the adoption of the Internet of Things."

ARM will likely end up matched for a new OS, that's specifically designed to plug into the Internet of Things.

http://www.arm.com/products/internet-of-things-solutions/index.php

Quote from: ARM
As the next major evolution of the Internet, devices and machines of all different shapes and sizes are being connected to the Internet, to each other, and to people. With more than 10 billion microcontrollers being shipped each year, all potentially connected through the Internet, a huge variety of intelligent devices are being enabled, from motion sensors, to pool pumps, to gas/electric meters, to street lights. The development of embedded devices today is highly fragmented, expensive and slow, often using custom or proprietary embedded software and communication protocols. Most existing M2M and IoT systems are in practice "walled gardens" with limited growth potential.

ARM and its Partners share a disruptive vision where creation and deployment of commercial, standards-based IoT devices is possible at scale. ARM® mbed™ IoT Device Platform enables a software ecosystem that solves these problems by providing a common platform for developing connected IoT devices.

So, I think we should try to get all Monero applications in line with operating on mbed, on ARM hardware, as soon as possible. I would like to see a healthy and active relationship with any manufacturer of any of the hardware that will be in these devices. These types of hardware might see an ease of introduction to a consumer base with a cryptocurrency, and it might be a good match.

Additionally, we should be in heavy conversation with anyone willing to communicate about cryptocurrencies and IoT, espcially consumer goods manufacturers who are aiming on being a part of this. If Monero could be an app that even ships as standard bloatware on some of these things, then that would be a major push, let alone an 'alternative' payment system offered right from when the people purchase the device, or even some minor part of the p2p network itself would be a major undertaking and step.

I think we should also seek to communicate with any other developers that are currently working on IoT integration. Probably not BitBay due to apparent scamminess, but maybe the project they were attempting to hijack the idea from.

Add: mbed is free, and is planning a full release in Oct, 2015. For good mbed info please check out http://mbed.org/ and for development information please look here : http://developer.mbed.org/

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Quote from: mbed
There are thousands of open source code repositories being shared and all members can contribute to the central cookbook wiki, so you can learn a lot just browsing around the site and using the internal search engine.

I could imagine something along the lines of a hardware router, integrating the i2pd system that Monero will use operating on mbed with arm architecture, or something else. You tell me I guess : http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/09/18/qualcomm-eyes-future-full-connected-cars-and-smart-routers/

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I like the idea of an internet of private things. What kind of milf my refrigerator orders is between me and my fridge.

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I like the idea of an internet of private things. What kind of milf my refrigerator orders is between me and my fridge.

Joking aside, it will be interesting to read the devs thoughts.

You can have the Milf I'll take the DILF. Cheesy

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I like the idea of an internet of private things. What kind of milf my refrigerator orders is between me and my fridge.

Joking aside, it will be interesting to read the devs thoughts.

You can have the Milf I'll take the DILF. Cheesy

My refrigerator will hook you up, but he likes a more experienced woman to play with his thermostat settings.

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I like the idea of an internet of private things. What kind of milf my refrigerator orders is between me and my fridge.

Joking aside, it will be interesting to read the devs thoughts.

You can have the Milf I'll take the DILF. Cheesy

My refrigerator will hook you up, but he likes a more experienced woman to play with his thermostat settings.

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I like the idea of an internet of private things. What kind of milf my refrigerator orders is between me and my fridge.

Joking aside, it will be interesting to read the devs thoughts.

You can have the Milf I'll take the DILF. Cheesy

My refrigerator will hook you up, but he likes a more experienced woman to play with his thermostat settings.

Mine like to be experimented on. Cheesy

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I like the idea of an internet of private things. What kind of milf my refrigerator orders is between me and my fridge.

Joking aside, it will be interesting to read the devs thoughts.
You can have the Milf I'll take the DILF. Cheesy
My refrigerator will hook you up, but he likes a more experienced woman to play with his thermostat settings.
Mine like to be experimented on. Cheesy
In danger of turning off toppic now (somewhat), "the things" did quite well during the last centuries. Without beeing all to chatterly between each others. The fridge humming in one corner, the oven frizzling in the other. The smoothing iron felt comfy on it's ironing board, kinda a hot love relationship, not needing any words.

Internet of things? Seriously?!
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I like the idea of an internet of private things. What kind of milf my refrigerator orders is between me and my fridge.

Joking aside, it will be interesting to read the devs thoughts.
You can have the Milf I'll take the DILF. Cheesy
My refrigerator will hook you up, but he likes a more experienced woman to play with his thermostat settings.
Mine like to be experimented on. Cheesy
In danger of turning off toppic now (somewhat), "the things" did quite well during the last centuries. Without beeing all to chatterly between each others. The fridge humming in one corner, the oven frizzling in the other. The smoothing iron felt comfy on it's ironing board, kinda a hot love relationship, not needing any words.

Internet of things? Seriously?!

 My refrigerator's been giving my oven the silent treatment for years--it's soooo awkward.

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What the heck is going on in this thread?

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