[announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin

[omarabid]

It is not, but I think there are no important objections.

Daniel Kraft, what the fuck is this supposed to mean?


All objections are significant, especially given that you and Jeremy Rand control the namecoin.org domain as well as the GitHub repository where you are both happy censoring "objections" using the Namecoin username.


They claim to be advocates for "free speech," but they completely delete objections, ban users, and so on.

Daniel Kraft and Jeremy Rand's mere existence is an insult to our intelligence!

We need to get rid of these rotten apples and start working on Namecoin without these scumbags!

They just merging from upstream Bitcoin Core some improvements into Namecoin "Core" and pretending to be "Namecoin developers".

They are scam artists and criminals who beg for money under the guise of working on Namecoin.

Daniel Kraft, you should focus on Xaya and ignore the Namecoin community because you and Jeremy Rand bring nothing but toxicity here.


Speaking of namecoin.org, it is hosted in Europe's sole dictatorship, Hungary.

Code:

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;namecoin.org.			IN	A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
namecoin.org.		3600	IN	A	91.219.237.223

Code:

{
  "ip": "91.219.237.223",
  "hostname": "sa1541.serverastra.com",
  "city": "Budapest",
  "region": "Budapest",
  "country": "HU",
  "loc": "47.4984,19.0404",
  "org": "AS56322 ServerAstra Kft.",
  "postal": "1066",
  "timezone": "Europe/Budapest",
}

It is appears that Jeremy Rand in fact working with Eastern European secret services, he does operating "DNS seeds" in Slovakia as well which he and Daniel Kraft hard coded into Namecoin "Core".

Hungary has been ruled by a fascist dictator, Viktor Orban, for well over a decade, with secret services kidnapping people from their homes, foreign organizations effectively banned, media completely censored if not dissolved by the government, and the country well-known for torturing and brutally beating refugees, women, men, children, and the elderly, among other things.  Not to mention the electrified 520+ km long NATO razor fences along the southern border.

At this point, I propose that namecoin.org be shut down and the GitHub repository archived so that others can work on Namecoin without being centralized and controlled by idiots who host the website in a fascist dictatorship in Hungary and the DNS seeds in Slovakia, which intentionally sends fighter jets to neo-nazis in Ukraine to start a third world war.

I demand that namecoin.org be shut down, as well as the Twitter channel @namecoin, which should be deleted along with all tweets, and that the GitHub repository be closed as archived, and that Jeremy Rand and Daniel Kraft stop begging for money while censoring, defaming, doxxing, and threatening Namecoin users, as well as leaking information to Eastern European secret services about the users.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

Why are you even expanding the efforts?

[omarabid]

On another note, who is interested to get NFT running on Namecoin?

[BayAreaCoins]

On another note, who is interested to get NFT running on Namecoin?

God, please no. lol

<trash>

If it's funded by any secret service... wouldn't they be pretty flush with funds. 

We could use some secret service liquidity on our namecoin exchange: https://altquick.com/market/Namecoin

I've been sold out on Namecoins for a while now.  People can basically sell for what they want to at the moment (well, offer to sell.)

[BayAreaCoins]

You should learn English BayAreaCoins because you either misread or don't understand the language.  You should read everything twice before speaking.  

You're probably right.

On the other hand, I'm the only one who uses your exchange, so please stop spamming in this topic.  Almost every one of your comments contains a spam link.

Uh ya, I'm a spammer big dog... <3 Get rich or die spamming!  jk, I'm just trying my little heart out to have more Namecoins to sell to folks.  People keep buying them when they are offered.  I feel like I owe it to our buyer to try to bring in more coins for sale.

You filth.  

I identify as greasy <3

[1ad]

NMC got listed on Knolix Crypto Auction

https://knolix.com/crypto-auction

Have fun

[Eddyc]

https://www.publish0x.com/crypto-bits/namecoinnmc-choices-that-changed-the-present-and-the-future-xzgmzxw


What is the price of freedom on the internet?

[Artifex]

How is this old-school coin doing? Namecoin from the days when Elon Musk didn't know bitcoin existed and was a normal person)

[Artifex]

https://www.publish0x.com/crypto-bits/namecoinnmc-choices-that-changed-the-present-and-the-future-xzgmzxw


What is the price of freedom on the internet?

Thank you for the article, I would love to read it

[cornhodlr]

Does anyone here use electrum wallet and is it working ok for you regarding getting a connection?

[PrimeHunter2023]

Does anyone here use electrum wallet and is it working ok for you regarding getting a connection?

A lot of electrum wallets get stopped by computer firewalls, may work on one computer, not another.

A lot of deleted posts, a few edited posts, a ban, wow this thread certainly attracts a lot of drama.

Nope, without convincing proof that satoshi is vinced, he did not.

He simply chimed in his thoughts in an ongoing discussion about BitDNS, which preceded and is entirely separate from Namecoin.

You shouldn't assume I didn't see your FUD a few weeks ago, but everyone embarrasses themselves as best they can! All I can say in response is that you haven't contributed anything to the Namecoin project so far - other than sending merits here and spreading FUD. So on topic, Satoshi is not vinced. Before you keep spreading FUD, you should start reading at the initial post of this thread: Namecoin is a naming system based on bitcoin with a few modifications.  It is inspired by the bitdns discussion. Namecoin wasn't created out of thin air, and undoubtedly Satoshi's contributions were the most important, as cited especially with regard to the proposal of merged mining.

This was the comment I was referring to in the above quote:

But every BitcoinTalk member should know that even Satoshi Nakamoto contributed on this project

This is factually incorrect and its not "FUD" to call it out as such. Satoshi was gone from the public eye before Namecoin was released. There is no record of him lending a hand in the building of the Namecoin software, other than he created the software from which NMC was forked. Because he floated a few substantial ideas in the BitDNS thread it does not mean he "contributed on" Namecoin. He contributed ideas to BitDNS -- no programming or development.

This line is just used by some of the more dishonest peddlers of re-registered NMC assets as "Historical NFTs" to pump their bags. Dunno why Trade Runner deleted all his posts, but anyway, it is worth clarifying for the record.

Also for the record I think the old domains and names are kind of cool. I liken it to "would you want to re-register askjeeves.com if given the chance?" Sure, it would be fun to own as a historical collectible. It has an interesting story behind it and collector value. They are cool in their own right; no need to artificially inflate their significance with some verbal slight-of-hand.

Alright I guess that wraps er up for now, see you all in a year or so

Satoshi directly contributed to two digital currencies, Bitcoin and Namecoin.

Anybody can read the BitDNS threads and decide.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6197.0

In fact of Satoshi's last 12 comments, 7 involved BitDNS

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts

Bitcoin was an example of how a 'pseudo commodity', could be created in a fair way if a person trusts the underlying cryptography.

But aside from that, bitcoin does absolutely nothing.

Namecoin has vastly important uses, and that is probably why Satoshi contributed to BitDNS.

Ethereum Name Service is a very weak imitation of Namecoin. It cannot be cloned for use by local groups who want to create their own economies etc which will be the main future use of Namecoin.

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2024/01/03/ens-token-jumps-50-as-vitalik-buterin-hails-it-as-super-important/

Very very soon Europe will be in chaos.

The United States has been preparing by hardening and militarizing its police.

Namecoin would potentially smooth a lot of bumps, coins dependent on another chain would not.

[nutildah]

Satoshi directly contributed to two digital currencies, Bitcoin and Namecoin.

He did not "contribute" to Namecoin in any way. Stop trying to rewrite history.

Anybody can read the BitDNS threads and decide.

That is not Namecoin, it's BitDNS, which wasn't even his idea. He just chimed in a few suggestions on how a BitDNS would work -- this was before the creation of Namecoin, which again, he had nothing to do with.

Bitcoin was an example of how a 'pseudo commodity', could be created in a fair way if a person trusts the underlying cryptography.

But aside from that, bitcoin does absolutely nothing.

Namecoin has vastly important uses,

The market disagrees with this take by a near infinite ratio.

and that is probably why Satoshi contributed to BitDNS.

He didn't even "contribute" to BitDNS, because BitDNS never existed. It was just an idea.

[PrimeHunter2023]

Satoshi directly contributed to two digital currencies, Bitcoin and Namecoin.

He did not "contribute" to Namecoin in any way. Stop trying to rewrite history.

Anybody can read the BitDNS threads and decide.

That is not Namecoin, it's BitDNS, which wasn't even his idea. He just chimed in a few suggestions on how a BitDNS would work -- this was before the creation of Namecoin, which again, he had nothing to do with.

Bitcoin was an example of how a 'pseudo commodity', could be created in a fair way if a person trusts the underlying cryptography.

But aside from that, bitcoin does absolutely nothing.

Namecoin has vastly important uses,

The market disagrees with this take by a near infinite ratio.

and that is probably why Satoshi contributed to BitDNS.

He didn't even "contribute" to BitDNS, because BitDNS never existed. It was just an idea.

Anybody can decide for themselves on those various questions.

https://medium.com/@namecoinerc/namecoin-is-back-nmc-c294bd0a530e

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On a separate issue, suppose I belong to a group which wants to make its own private internet / intranet and economy.

Is there an easy way for us to do that, or do we need to hire a coder to create a clone or fork of Namecoin?

Can it be done for free by people who are not interested in programming?

[renee25]

How is this old-school coin doing? Namecoin from the days when Elon Musk didn't know bitcoin existed and was a normal person)

the status is that no one here has bothered to apply for listing in any exchange since ancient times.
Just getting into (any exchange) would be huge, but seems that nowadays any exchange is demanding that the "official" developers apply, (and pay) something they are not doing it.

the status is that this is coin has been the grandmother of the pump and dump and it have leave more people reeling with loses than we can count. most "investors" have been burned because of the "no marketing" policy.

the status is that the actual users of the coin don't care about the price because hey, cheap domains, but this people were mostly Assange and some domainsquatter guy. (so we got 2 users and one is in jail...)

the status is that this could be one of the greatest coins but have fallen behind because it's just following bitcoin, only some hackers (the owner of btc-e and wex) have (had) big stash of the coin and doesn't seem innovative, because they didn't bother to fund any development.

 but time will tell. and one of this days i'm gonna drop a couple btcs and we will 10x but first we gotta get into the big exchanges or at least the no KYC ones like bitget.

because without being able to use a coin to move funds between exchanges there is really no use case for it. even doge can be used for that.!

[BayAreaCoins]

Namecoin price down a fair bit eh?  I took a bit of a slide on that, it seems.

[biolizard89]

Four Namecoin developers (including me) attended the Tor 2024 Lisbon meeting, GPN 22, and MoneroKon 4. Summary (including videos from GPN and MoneroKon) is here: https://www.namecoin.org/2024/07/24/tor-2024-gpn-22-monerokon-4-summary.html

On a less serious note, people sometimes ask me where they can get the Namecoin t-shirts that a few of us wear to conferences. They can be found on the Namecoin TeeSpring shop: https://namecoin.creator-spring.com/ . 8 designs are available ("Chains", "Connections", "Daughter", "MMO", "Real", "Revolutionary", "Shadow", and "Sidechain"), in various fits of short-sleeve, long-sleeve, hoodies, sweatshirts, and jackets, for men, women and kids. Profits support Namecoin dev, and it can be a fun way to spread the word. (If you don't understand the in-jokes in some of the designs, feel free to ask in this thread, I don't mind elaborating on them.)

[PrimeHunter2023]

...If you don't understand the in-jokes in some of the designs, feel free to ask in this thread, I don't mind elaborating on them...

"Namecoin"
"The REAL Bitcoin*"
"For 48 hours 12-13 November 2017"

https://namecoin.creator-spring.com/listing/real-light-j-8882?product=2174&variation=106070

Not going to pay $67 for a jacket, but curious.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Somebody put up a big buy wall on btc/nmc. I don't have the financial muscle to push it up but somebody should.

Bitcoin began with a few people who had hundreds of thousands of bitcoin each, including SN, who carefully pumped it to the sky.*

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+bitcoin+did+people+on+the+original+Bitcoin+pump+crew+have

And who can forget how the U.S. government shut down Bitcoin's two biggest competitors, at strategic times, to give it an edge?

"e-gold was the first widely used Internet money, introduced in 1996, and grew to several million users before the US Government shut it down in 2008."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_currency

2008, imagine that.

Around a million people from Liberty Reserve alone were shuffled to Bitcoin for the second pump in 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Reserve

Namecoin was not instamined the same way, many more people mined it from the start, so it would be much harder to pump, but it also is a useful coin with an important real world function which Bitcoin is not.

The only complaint I have about Namecoin, aside from flawed cryptography, is that it does not yet have an easy way for any people anywhere to make use of its real world functionality.

...a button that says "clone/fork" and when you press it there is a pop up that says "Would you like to create a clone with a new genesis block, or fork at a certain block?"

Digital currencies pre bitcoin were entirely about financial functionality or games.

Bitcoin popped up with the premise that "We developers are smart. Everybody should pay tribute to us. We will feed you a fake 'liberty' narrative if you throw money to us."

Namecoin, as long as it isn't monopolized, could deliver on some of the lies of Bitcoin.


*Not to pick on Bitcoin since Ethereum was much sleazier, paying off Coinmarketcap to remove the premine asterisk so it wouldn't get filtered out as a scamcoin.*


*Not to pick on Ethereum since Monero was much sleazier, hiring hundreds of spammers and trolls to pump the coin then buying out a website that provided evidence that it was a government project.*

*Not to pick on Monero...never mind.

[biolizard89]

...If you don't understand the in-jokes in some of the designs, feel free to ask in this thread, I don't mind elaborating on them...

"Namecoin"
"The REAL Bitcoin*"
"For 48 hours 12-13 November 2017"

https://namecoin.creator-spring.com/listing/real-light-j-8882?product=2174&variation=106070

Not going to pay $67 for a jacket, but curious.

Good choice!

If you take a look at this Metrics report, you'll see all eight 24-hour periods in which Namecoin hashrate exceeded Bitcoin. https://metrics.namecoin.org/namecoin/period-timestamps-1-days/pool/charts/gt_parent.txt

The only consecutive 2-day period on that report is 12-13 November 2017. That was when BCH got into a hashwar with Bitcoin, with the purported goal of BCH being to prove that with more hashrate, it was the "real Bitcoin". Since Namecoin can use both Bitcoin and BCH as a parent chain, Namecoin wound up with a higher hashrate than either Bitcoin or BCH during those two days. When I tweeted about it, Samson Mow from Blockstream noticed my tweet and commented "Oh crap, now Namecoin is the real Bitcoin." So yeah that's what the shirt design is referencing -- a cool historical event in which Namecoin's ability to use multiple parent chains got demonstrated in practice.

The high price for the jackets is just because TeeSpring charges us a lot for those. That design is available on other products if you want something mildly cheaper. E.g. https://namecoin.creator-spring.com/listing/real-light-1482?product=389

That is not Namecoin, it's BitDNS, which wasn't even his idea. He just chimed in a few suggestions on how a BitDNS would work -- this was before the creation of Namecoin, which again, he had nothing to do with.

The Namecoin.org Team page credits Satoshi in the "Pre-Genesis Researchers" section, along with other people like Dan Kaminsky (who definitely would not be considered a Namecoin developer). That section is for people who did interesting research that laid the groundwork for Namecoin, but never worked on Namecoin itself. https://www.namecoin.org/team/

[PrimeHunter2023]

Good choice!

If you take a look at this Metrics report, you'll see all eight 24-hour periods in which Namecoin hashrate exceeded Bitcoin. https://metrics.namecoin.org/namecoin/period-timestamps-1-days/pool/charts/gt_parent.txt

The only consecutive 2-day period on that report is 12-13 November 2017. That was when BCH got into a hashwar with Bitcoin, with the purported goal of BCH being to prove that with more hashrate, it was the "real Bitcoin". Since Namecoin can use both Bitcoin and BCH as a parent chain, Namecoin wound up with a higher hashrate than either Bitcoin or BCH during those two days. When I tweeted about it, Samson Mow from Blockstream noticed my tweet and commented "Oh crap, now Namecoin is the real Bitcoin." So yeah that's what the shirt design is referencing -- a cool historical event in which Namecoin's ability to use multiple parent chains got demonstrated in practice.

The high price for the jackets is just because TeeSpring charges us a lot for those. That design is available on other products if you want something mildly cheaper. E.g. https://namecoin.creator-spring.com/listing/real-light-1482?product=389

Thanks. As an aside, it seems like there should be a way for individuals to mine nmc using their own computer without merge mining.

There is speculation that this crop of recent digital currencies, btc etc,  were begun to prep people for CBDCs which will allow governments to issue unlimited currency by moderating monetary velocity. If you double the money supply and halve monetary velocity then no inflation. One way monetary velocity is controlled in digital currencies is to lock coins up for staking.

So if nmc added a staking mechanism it would both incentivize individual mining and prep people for the final descent into Orwellian hell.

... https://www.namecoin.org/team/

Mikhail Sindeyev, Aaron Swartz, Dan Kaminsky...

Nuff said.

[biolizard89]

it seems like there should be a way for individuals to mine nmc using their own computer without merge mining.

You do know that Namecoin's sidechain design doesn't care if the parent block is actually a real thing, right? Like, you can just make up a totally fictitious parent block and use that to mine if you don't want to use a real parent chain.

So if nmc added a staking mechanism it would both incentivize individual mining and prep people for the final descent into Orwellian hell.

PoS is already covered in our FAQ.

[PrimeHunter2023]

it seems like there should be a way for individuals to mine nmc using their own computer without merge mining.

You do know that Namecoin's sidechain design doesn't care if the parent block is actually a real thing, right? Like, you can just make up a totally fictitious parent block and use that to mine if you don't want to use a real parent chain.

So if nmc added a staking mechanism it would both incentivize individual mining and prep people for the final descent into Orwellian hell.

PoS is already covered in our FAQ.

A long time ago I tried to mine coins, but never succeeded except simple staking coins. Any time you start a question to me with "You do know..." and end it with "right?"... the answer is likely no.

My point was that if people use their hashing power to mine both btc and nmc then you probably have some heavyweights using computing power that an individual cannot compete with realistically.

Some coins use to split algorithms e.g. huc, xmy, dgb etc to force some fairness in mining and add security, but maybe the heavyweight miners i.e., btc merge miners adds something too, maybe security.

From nmc's website

Why doesn’t Namecoin use “proof of stake”?
We defer to the analysis of Bitcoin developer Andrew Poelstra about the security problems with PoS. For a more accessible summary, Namecoin developer Yanmaani’s article on PoS may be of interest.

So, yes you are right.

My main interest in namecoin, aside from making money, is simply that it has an extremely important real use case.

There are many hidden globalizing influences in the economy, and small networks of internets with attached economies is one push in a better direction.

Most cultures and languages will be on this list eventually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_time_of_extinction

And you have to be careful of what your opinions are, unless you are connected to power.

https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2010/11/full-list-of-the-80-domains-seized-today-by-us.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/23/us-seizes-three-dozen-websites-used-for-iranian-disinformation

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/us-seized-18-web-domains-used-for-recruiting-money-mules/

It's very similar to the rationale for promoting flawed cryptography.

"we can solve crimes, we can help people by controlling them..." etc

When one person in town has a gun he or she promotes their image as benevolent, as they get richer and richer.