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June 23, 2017, 12:33:54 PM
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Hi @Biolizard89,

Hello!  Sorry for the delayed reply, it seems I've been failing to check this thread for a couple weeks.

I am quite new to all of this, but have been cautiously reading as much as I can about alt-coins, which of course led me to the wonders of blockchain and various projects underway. I can't believe how disconnected much of the world is from something so transformative for all of us. For obvious reasons, Namecoin stood out to me and I have invested for the long-run. Much appreciation for the relentless work you and your team have and are putting into Namecoin.

Thanks for your support!

What I would like to know: Are the Namecoin and Monero teams still actively working alongside each other on common projects, as stated on Namecoin's official webpage and the presentation you gave in London last year? I just did a bit of reading about OpenAlias and I know that Monero mentioned receiving assistance from NLnet Labs, but it appears that this is their own, in-house project. Is there a collaboration that will be announced in the near future? What would such a collaboration mean for Namecoin?

The Namecoin and Monero teams are continuing to collaborate on areas of common interest.  One example is that Namecoin's anonymity properties are very poor, and this is a roadblock for Namecoin's usage as a naming system for Tor.  The way we're going about fixing that is by trying to support a workflow where a user purchases NMC using a more anonymous currency.  (This could be Monero, Zcash, or any other asset that can be traded for NMC.)  This isn't Monero-specific (I've talked to Riccardo from Monero about it, as well as Zooko from Zcash), but since Monero will need to do a consensus fork in order to support this use case properly (and Zcash won't, to my knowledge), more coordination is happening between Namecoin and Monero than between Namecoin and Zcash.  Also, Riccardo tends to hang around #namecoin-dev, and Zooko doesn't, so naturally there's more interaction with Riccardo than with Zooko.  Namecoin as a project doesn't endorse any particular anonymous cryptocurrency as the best one -- in fact we explicitly decided not to integrate ring signatures or zk-SNARKs into Namecoin, specifically because we want end users to have a choice about what anonymous blockchain technology they use.

Also note that NLnet Labs and NLnet Foundation are two different entities.  NLnet Foundation's primary role is funding projects; NLnet Labs' primary role is development.  NLnet Foundation funds NLnet Labs, but any collaboration between Monero and NLnet Labs is unrelated to Namecoin's funding from NLnet Foundation.

What are your general thoughts about potential fallout surrounding BIP 148 at the beginning of August? Do you think a lot of the miners will seriously think about rejecting SegWit? I know you are focused on AAA at the moment, but what would it mean for Namecoin and everyone else if they take that position, and why would they (re: history lesson from BIP66!)?

Ah, I see you were paying attention to my QCon talk.  Kudos to you!  Yeah, the fact that CSV and SegWit are blocked until AAA happens does set up a scenario similar to the BIP66 issue.  You probably noticed that I alluded to this a bit in my talk, when I mentioned that even if you're diligent, you'll find yourself in a situation occasionally where you need to maintain a patchset against your upstream, and that effort should be made to minimize the duration where this is the case.  We are expending effort on this front, but unfortunately coordinating a hardfork takes time.  All we can do here is try to activate AAA as fast as can do safely, and hope that CSV and SegWit don't become the next BIP66.

Other than the BIP66-like scenario, we should be mostly unaffected by Bitcoin consensus issues.  Namecoin blocks don't need to have a parent block that's actually part of the Bitcoin blockchain; as long as the parent block has valid SHA256D PoW, it's accepted by Namecoin.  So if Bitcoin has a chainfork, both sides of the Bitcoin chainfork will be valid as Namecoin parent blocks.  (Some people have speculated that this might even result in Namecoin having a higher hashrate than Bitcoin for a short period of time.)

Like I said, I am new to all of this so excuse me if my questions are a bit rudimentary.

On the contrary, your questions are excellent -- clearly you did your homework before asking them.  Smiley

Hi @Biolizard89, again - thank you for your hard work alongside the Namecoin team and associates. Much appreciation for taking the time to answer my questions! You have left me with much to ponder, pointing me in a good direction for further research.  Smiley
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June 24, 2017, 03:39:58 AM
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Obviously, if you will look at the chart, It will go up just like other known cryptocurrency from the past. Specially now they are adding some features that can compete now to other cryptocurrency. The price is still low if you look at its history.
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June 29, 2017, 03:50:52 PM
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Namecoin is the first solution to produce a naming system that is simultaneously secure, decentralized, and human-meaningful.

I don't understand why torrent website owner did'nt catch up on this yet Huh
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June 29, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
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Namecoin is the first solution to produce a naming system that is simultaneously secure, decentralized, and human-meaningful.

I don't understand why torrent website owner did'nt catch up on this yet Huh

It blows my mind, a few local torrents and translation sites were shut down an people got fined.. and none of then heard of Zeronet.
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July 02, 2017, 09:46:11 AM
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Namecoin is the first solution to produce a naming system that is simultaneously secure, decentralized, and human-meaningful.

I don't understand why torrent website owner did'nt catch up on this yet Huh

I'm unaware of any BitTorrent indexes using Namecoin, but TheShadowBrokers used Namecoin for a while [1].  I guess TSB are a bit ahead of the curve compared to BitTorrent index operators [2].

[1] I believe they removed the links to their Namecoin domain name from their Twitter and Steemit profiles in the last few weeks, which coincided with most of their Twitter posts disappearing.  However, it looks like their Namecoin domain name is still active.  I don't know what the backstory there is.

[2] The usual disclaimer applies that while I wouldn't be surprised if TSB are capable of using Namecoin safely, I don't endorse average-skilled people using Namecoin for high-risk activity.

-Jeremy Rand, Lead Application Engineer at Namecoin.
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July 02, 2017, 08:53:11 PM
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Namecoin is the first solution to produce a naming system that is simultaneously secure, decentralized, and human-meaningful.

I don't understand why torrent website owner did'nt catch up on this yet Huh

I'm unaware of any BitTorrent indexes using Namecoin, but TheShadowBrokers used Namecoin for a while [1].  I guess TSB are a bit ahead of the curve compared to BitTorrent index operators [2].

[1] I believe they removed the links to their Namecoin domain name from their Twitter and Steemit profiles in the last few weeks, which coincided with most of their Twitter posts disappearing.  However, it looks like their Namecoin domain name is still active.  I don't know what the backstory there is.

[2] The usual disclaimer applies that while I wouldn't be surprised if TSB are capable of using Namecoin safely, I don't endorse average-skilled people using Namecoin for high-risk activity.

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I know Satoshi Nakamoto was involved in Namecoin. Was Aaron Swartz?
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July 03, 2017, 04:07:01 AM
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I know Satoshi Nakamoto was involved in Namecoin. Was Aaron Swartz?

Aaron wrote a proposal for Nakanames, which described a system very similar to Namecoin.  Aaron wrote this a few months after Appamatto proposed BitDNS, but a few months before Vince released Namecoin.  So to that extent, Aaron was involved with Namecoin.  I am unaware of any conversations/discussions that Aaron had with the Namecoin developers (or the BitDNS discussion participants).

-Jeremy Rand, Lead Application Engineer at Namecoin.
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July 03, 2017, 03:48:29 PM
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I know Satoshi Nakamoto was involved in Namecoin. Was Aaron Swartz?

Aaron wrote a proposal for Nakanames, which described a system very similar to Namecoin.  Aaron wrote this a few months after Appamatto proposed BitDNS, but a few months before Vince released Namecoin.  So to that extent, Aaron was involved with Namecoin.  I am unaware of any conversations/discussions that Aaron had with the Namecoin developers (or the BitDNS discussion participants).

A philosophical opinion.

Almost any educated person supports Aaron Swartz's pushing to make information more freely available, and to minimize the harm caused by bureaucratic malignancies.

However with TSB there is a more blurry line. For one, we don't know if he or she is motivated by an ideal that should be supported. TSB could well be an alphabet agency employee who used the pretext of a leak or hack to cover widespread targeted use of certain tools in a specific geographic area. If I were Eastern European that would seem to be what the evidence suggests.

Aaron Swartzs are often times killed or driven to the grave by their governments, because they feel protected by their good intentions, they were raised with the belief "you do not attack good intentions", but do not understand that many people who seek government jobs are raised more with the ideal "you do not attack power".

TSB survives, either because he or she is smart enough to anticipate the possible threats generated by bureaucrats, or because he/she is acting on their behalf.

The best that Namecoin can hope to offer, in my opinion, is the same protection from physical harm to Aaron Swartz, and others who mistakenly trust the bureaucrats, as it offers to more savvy players like TSB. If those two were on equal footing, if both Aaron Swartz nd TSB had equal surviveability in our environment, there would be possible a public examination of the motives of each, and much to be learned by that. Instead the mass of people are forced to timidly avoid death by not violating empty rules.

 
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July 03, 2017, 04:55:34 PM
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Aaron Swartzs are often times killed or driven to the grave by their governments, because they feel protected by their good intentions, they were raised with the belief "you do not attack good intentions", but do not understand that many people who seek government jobs are raised more with the ideal "you do not attack power".
Very true

I think most people do not want to attack "good", not out of education or belief but because of how it feels. To materialists everything is relative (except for their belief in materialism), to them good and evil are relative, but feelings and emotions are ultimately the drive behind every of our actions and shape everything that we experience, they are what is most real, and so the ideal of goodness is not merely a belief, it is something more. To pursue good is not an empty quest, it is profoundly worth it and no rationalization could ever change that.

And most people pursue "good", both the Swartzs and the people seeking government jobs, but the latter have been indoctrinated into associating power with good. They are both pursuing the same goal but the latter ones have been blinded by their education, that has ingrained into their mind that believing in the authority is good, and then Aaron Swartzs are singled out as threats to what they believe is good. But their belief is an artificial one, imposed upon them by those who seek control and power to have safety, by those who think about themselves before thinking about others. And those are afraid to let go of that control ultimately because they fear others. And it is fear that drives evil which drives more fear in an endless self-reinforcing circle.

And if decentralization allows to break that circle, by forcing those in power to let go of their control, by showing the world that we are all inherently after the same thing, that no great catastrophe will come from allowing every individual to be free, that the will for good is more powerful than evil, that there is more good in each and everyone of us than we tend to think, then good will self-reinforce rather than fear and then we all win.
 
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July 04, 2017, 02:08:12 AM
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I know Satoshi Nakamoto was involved in Namecoin. Was Aaron Swartz?

Aaron wrote a proposal for Nakanames, which described a system very similar to Namecoin.  Aaron wrote this a few months after Appamatto proposed BitDNS, but a few months before Vince released Namecoin.  So to that extent, Aaron was involved with Namecoin.  I am unaware of any conversations/discussions that Aaron had with the Namecoin developers (or the BitDNS discussion participants).

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July 05, 2017, 05:36:34 PM
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Aaron Swartzs are often times killed or driven to the grave by their governments, because they feel protected by their good intentions, they were raised with the belief "you do not attack good intentions", but do not understand that many people who seek government jobs are raised more with the ideal "you do not attack power".

TSB survives, either because he or she is smart enough to anticipate the possible threats generated by bureaucrats, or because he/she is acting on their behalf.

The best that Namecoin can hope to offer, in my opinion, is the same protection from physical harm to Aaron Swartz, and others who mistakenly trust the bureaucrats, as it offers to more savvy players like TSB. If those two were on equal footing, if both Aaron Swartz nd TSB had equal surviveability in our environment, there would be possible a public examination of the motives of each, and much to be learned by that. Instead the mass of people are forced to timidly avoid death by not violating empty rules. 

Yes -- it's definitely not an ideal situation when only unusually sophisticated actors like TSB can use Namecoin safely in high-risk situations.  Our public position has always been that Namecoin isn't anonymous and that people who need anonymity shouldn't use Namecoin until Namecoin's anonymity issues are fixed.  Of course, the reality is more complicated; highly skilled users like TSB may very well be capable of using Namecoin anonymously.  But if we say that too loudly, it would probably encourage the misconception that average users can use Namecoin anonymously, which would probably lead to whistleblowers getting arrested (or worse).

So while it's certainly interesting to see that TSB is (apparently) successfully using Namecoin, that doesn't negate the problem you cite: right now, the more savvy players have a substantially better position, and we need to make the playing field a lot more level.  Part of the NLnet funding will be used to improve anonymity, but anonymity isn't the primary focus of the NLnet funding, and there's a lot that needs to be done in this department.

-Jeremy Rand, Lead Application Engineer at Namecoin.
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July 10, 2017, 12:55:58 PM
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Interesting buy support on Poloniex today.Ready for takeoff?

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July 13, 2017, 05:48:44 AM
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Interesting buy support on Poloniex today.Ready for takeoff?

There is only 30 btc on the buy side at Poloniex, ... 

This is the second altcoin, after bitcoin, the first to provide an extremely important innovation. So far there have not really been any new coins that have a better purpose.

Why is there so little interest in a coin like this?

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July 20, 2017, 02:27:23 PM
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Soon, the moon. NMC is BTC brother  Cool

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July 21, 2017, 01:44:27 PM
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Guys, could anybody clear up whether NMC is going to implement SegWit in the future/near future? I've read some info on this subject but still being confused a bit Roll Eyes
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July 21, 2017, 02:49:04 PM
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I'm not sure how most of it works but could NMC be used as a simple address tool for Lightning Network transactions?

From the looks of things you have to enter a long string to connect to a channel. Would be easier to connect to xyz.bit

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July 22, 2017, 05:54:00 AM
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I'm not sure how most of it works but could NMC be used as a simple address tool for Lightning Network transactions?

From the looks of things you have to enter a long string to connect to a channel. Would be easier to connect to xyz.bit

Yep. Namecoin is ideally suited for storing long strings and linking them to human-readable names and a namecoin address (sharing same priv/pub keys with bitcoin).

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July 27, 2017, 10:31:21 AM
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Blocknet NMC for DOGE Decentralized Trade Across Blockchains


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July 27, 2017, 12:48:47 PM
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Technical analysis for Namecoin looks very bad https://twitter.com/jindmahi06/status/890263073357004803
Now that Btc-e is gone times ahead will be even more difficult for this coin. I see no development and marketing. Is this coin still alive?
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July 29, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
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Guys, could anybody clear up whether NMC is going to implement SegWit in the future/near future? I've read some info on this subject but still being confused a bit Roll Eyes

In the future: probably, assuming that Bitcoin does.  I'm a huge fan of SegWit, so I'd definitely like to get it activated on Namecoin.

In the near future: not before AAA.

-Jeremy Rand, Lead Application Engineer at Namecoin.
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