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April 12, 2018, 03:13:49 AM
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That is, if you know about some existing and working broswer-app being open source, please post this here. d5000 already mentioned PeerName, but I am not sure if this project is open source.
I just saw that Blockchain DNS is also available for Firefox (and Chrome, as I already wrote), according to its own webpage. It has a Github repository, and is open source (Unlicense = Public Domain software). I had never seen this project before, so I still didn't test it but I'll give it a try (at a first glance, on Chromium it works fine, while I couldn't test it that easily with my FF because I use the older ESR version and it requires FF 55).

The project, however, like PeerName, uses a centralized server to resolve the .bit domains. But as far as I understand the website you could set up your own service to do this. Maybe one can take this as a base for a totally decentralized application, e.g. where you can simply put in the IP of the server to do the "hard work" via an easy user interface?

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April 12, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
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That's the spirit. You can't expect people to do the work for you. If you want a great community you have to start yourself. As for me, I put another few hundreds dollars in Namecoin today. Total stack is 2000NMC. Only 1/3 to my accumulation target.
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April 13, 2018, 06:49:22 AM
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That is, if you know about some existing and working broswer-app being open source, please post this here. d5000 already mentioned PeerName, but I am not sure if this project is open source.
I just saw that Blockchain DNS is also available for Firefox (and Chrome, as I already wrote), according to its own webpage. It has a Github repository, and is open source (Unlicense = Public Domain software). I had never seen this project before, so I still didn't test it but I'll give it a try (at a first glance, on Chromium it works fine, while I couldn't test it that easily with my FF because I use the older ESR version and it requires FF 55).

Thanks d5000. This project looks promising. I have the same problem with the firefox version number. There are Linux-distros which are behind the current firefox version so that the addon won't work. Nevertheless, I will look into the github repository.

The project, however, like PeerName, uses a centralized server to resolve the .bit domains. But as far as I understand the website you could set up your own service to do this. Maybe one can take this as a base for a totally decentralized application, e.g. where you can simply put in the IP of the server to do the "hard work" via an easy user interface?

Hmm ... I think some "centralized" server is always necessary, otherwise people must download and maintain their own copy of the namecoin blockchain. This restricts usability too much. Or is there something like a light client for namecoin which only keeps track of the domain names?

If I mix-up too many concepts, please correct me.
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April 13, 2018, 06:53:47 AM
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That's the spirit. You can't expect people to do the work for you. If you want a great community you have to start yourself.

True. But I can expect people to help me with information. Four eyes see more than two. And analogously, two brains know more than one.
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April 13, 2018, 09:43:13 AM
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is there some sort of chat client we can all talk about this coin? like a telegram or slack?
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April 13, 2018, 10:00:52 AM
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is there some sort of chat client we can all talk about this coin? like a telegram or slack?

There is a specific forum for Namecoin. See

https://forum.namecoin.org/

If you register there, check also out the following message:

https://forum.namecoin.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2691&sid=68679f2b45b976d36abaf55b4331c17a
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April 13, 2018, 10:17:37 AM
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A long coin is developed. Because of this, it is hard for the project to remain active and hope that the project side will remain passionate.
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April 13, 2018, 10:20:43 AM
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Any road maps I can check on? Any websites I can find more information?
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April 13, 2018, 08:20:45 PM
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Hmm ... I think some "centralized" server is always necessary, otherwise people must download and maintain their own copy of the namecoin blockchain.
Yes, but the IP of the server with the Namecoin daemon being configurable would be better. I haven't still looked into the details, but in the Blockchain DNS Chrome extension there seems no easy way to choose a custom server to do the resolution (e.g. without changing the code). In theory you could configure that "alternative DNS server" address in the browser settings without any extension, but that's already too difficult for most users (otherwise, there would be much more OpenNIC users, for example).

So an extension based on Blockchain DNS with a default server and an easy-to-use interface (e.g. with infographics and explanations, these details are important for usability and mass adoption, I think) to change the server would be the best way to go, for me. The extension could contain a (regularly updated) list of available servers.

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This restricts usability too much. Or is there something like a light client for namecoin which only keeps track of the domain names?
There seems to be an Electrum client for Namecoin, but I never tried it and so I don't know if it is sufficient to keep track of the domain names.

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April 14, 2018, 05:20:44 AM
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Yes, but the IP of the server with the Namecoin daemon being configurable would be better.

I see.

I haven't still looked into the details, [...]

Me neither. And I feel bad about that. However, it is also important to figure out a reasonable roadmap.

[...] but in the Blockchain DNS Chrome extension there seems no easy way to choose a custom server to do the resolution (e.g. without changing the code). In theory you could configure that "alternative DNS server" address in the browser settings without any extension, but that's already too difficult for most users (otherwise, there would be much more OpenNIC users, for example).

So an extension based on Blockchain DNS with a default server and an easy-to-use interface (e.g. with infographics and explanations, these details are important for usability and mass adoption, I think) to change the server would be the best way to go, for me. The extension could contain a (regularly updated) list of available servers.

Okay. Then let's conclude: We do not need to develop an addon from scratch. We can use blockchain-dns as a starting point. Convincing the developer(s) of this addon to do the work for us would be most efficient. Alternatively, I could fork the github-repository and we introduce the corresponding changes. Which is clearly more work, but I think the hardest part is to get used to new concepts.

But firstly, we should contact the developer(s). The project looks alive. I can do this via github. I am traveling this weekend and could contact them Sunday evening.

Is this a plan?
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April 15, 2018, 01:34:13 AM
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Is this a plan?
Looks very good for me.

The second part could be to investigate if the Electrum client is capable to resolve NMC addresses for "a little bit more advanced" users. I think however that this wouldn't be a very easy task, as I just looked into Electrum-NMC's github repo, and it seems to be 1) a bit old (its codebase is older than the "big vulnerability fix" earlier this year) and 2) is not marked as "ready for the end user".

So likely it needs the attention of skilled developers.

PS: Just saw that there is an actively developed light client called ConsensusJ. It seems to be still experimental, but I'll look at it.

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April 15, 2018, 06:19:50 PM
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Is this a plan?
Looks very good for me.

Done.

https://github.com/B-DNS/Firefox/issues/5

Now we have to wait. I am not sure anymore, whether the project is alive or not. Last code changes were done 5 months ago.

I would recommend, that we wait for a week or two and then fork the project.
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April 15, 2018, 06:23:57 PM
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PS: Just saw that there is an actively developed light client called ConsensusJ. It seems to be still experimental, but I'll look at it.

A light client would be perfect. But what about this:

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It synchronizes faster and uses less storage than Namecoin Core, but trusts Namecoin miners more than Namecoin Core does.

Does a light client not fully depend on the set of full nodes?

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April 15, 2018, 06:55:57 PM
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Namecoin (NMC) all-in-one info now added here:

https://chatoncrypto.com/Crypto/C/31-NMC-Namecoin


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April 15, 2018, 07:00:29 PM
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Namecoin has many useful functions, therefore it is impossible to consider it simply as an ordinary coin. It is an innovation that will show itself to the world. I read information about the Safinus project as an investment platform. I also see a lot of revolutionary innovations there

Namecoin also has an incredible history in the crypto space. I hope it can go back up again as it is one of the oldest coins out there!
I agree in many respects with you and your opinion. Now probably have to still look and technology that will be in demand in the future. But this coin test of time and I think it is still manifest themselves in the future.
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April 15, 2018, 08:53:02 PM
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A light client would be perfect. But what about this:
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It synchronizes faster and uses less storage than Namecoin Core, but trusts Namecoin miners more than Namecoin Core does.

Does a light client not fully depend on the set of full nodes?
You're right. I think this is the general problem light clients have (see Thin Client Security, I think you may know it already). As ConsensusJ seems to be based on BitcoinJ, it seems to feature a different security model than Electrum (it selects a set of full nodes and compares their data, instead of selecting one single "trustworthy" node).

In the case of Namecoin name registrations, there is less potential for attacks to occur for the average user (although there may be so when the project becomes really popular). Additionally, the light client, as far as I understand this documentation website  does only support name lookups but not registrations of new names. (I'm starting with that and still haven't installed it, so I may be wrong with this; the installation procedure seems to be still no "one-click-procedure", that is other usability challenge to improve ...)

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April 17, 2018, 09:11:00 AM
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The only reason I never bought namecoin is because there is no electrum.Not too many peeps want to spend all day downloading a whole blockchain and less want to leave coins sitting on an exchange either.
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April 17, 2018, 09:18:57 AM
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The only reason I never bought namecoin is because there is no electrum.Not too many peeps want to spend all day downloading a whole blockchain and less want to leave coins sitting on an exchange either.
agree, usually it takes few hours, even not few Wink

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April 17, 2018, 02:08:06 PM
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I installed the ConsensusJ light client now, and it runs (instructions are here). But I run into a problem.

When I try to access the RPC server via curl, I get an HTTP error 500 ("Internal Server Error"). I used the example in the documentation:

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curl --user user:pass --data-binary '{"jsonrpc":"1.0","id":"curltext","method":"name_show","params":["d/domob"]}' -H 'content-type:text/plain;' http://127.0.0.1:8080

and the error I got was:

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{"jsonrpc":"1.0","id":"curltext","error":{"code":0,"message":"Server returned HTTP response code: 500 for URL: https://namecoin.webbtc.com/name/d/nf.json?history&with_height&with_rawtx&with_mrkl_branch&with_tx_idx&raw","data":{"exceptionTypeName":"java.io.IOException","message":"Server returned HTTP response code: 500 for URL: https://namecoin.webbtc.com/name/d/nf.json?history&with_height&with_rawtx&with_mrkl_branch&with_tx_idx&raw"}}}

It's strange that it connects to a "webbtc.com" domain (a block explorer), and when I enter the URL mentioned in the error in a browser, I also get the Internal Server Error. So I think there's some configuration step I missed ... it should use my own client and not a block explorer to lookup a name, or not?

I don't know also how to set up the RPC user and password. Normally there should be a "$coin.conf" file to setup these things, but simply placing a "namecoin.conf" in the directory doesn't change anything (I also didn't really expect that to work, haha).

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April 17, 2018, 02:24:03 PM
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I installed the ConsensusJ light client now, and it runs (instructions are here). But I run into a problem.

I will also try it in the evening and will come back to you.  Smiley
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