[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[cjmoles]

Curious???  Any chance his first name is Clement?  The creature who searches the sea for his toys who gets help finding them from an insider.....HHmmm?

http://www.storyjumper.com/book/index/13078592/Clement-the-Curious-Clam#

Very fishy!

Damn! You got me.

Knew it!

By the way, if anyone wants to buy clams OTC, let me know.

Trade straight across for Pandacoin?  That's all they're worth now.

[SuperClam]

Knew it!
Trade straight across for Pandacoin?  That's all they're worth now.

There seems to be a person or two on Poloniex who disagrees.
But, who am I to call into question the value of Pandacoin.

Did you deliberately fund any addresses at all before taking the snapshot? I imagine the temptation to do so would have been pretty strong.

No.

I expected massive amounts to be claimed and dumped shortly after launch.
So many, in fact, that the transaction fee to "cheat" would be more expensive than purchasing them at market.
Ironic and naive, but I expected a large percentage of the total supply to be claimed very shortly after launch.

In truth, that did happen to an extent; though at a rate much less than expected.
CLAM was quite cheap at AGX.io shortly after launch.

Cheaper than the transaction fee?  Likely not.
But, much cheaper than they are now.

If I could do it again, I would have made a percentage of pre-mine with which we could have issued a host of bounties.
I still despise pre-mine, but not having bounty funds made the beginning of CLAM extremely difficult.

Though, maybe my memory is flawed - the networks who DID take that route are almost all either dead or dying.
So, maybe slow and steady is a better route to take.

[cjmoles]

Knew it!
Trade straight across for Pandacoin?  That's all they're worth now.

There seems to be a person or two on Poloniex who disagrees.
But, who am I to call into question the value of Pandacoin.

Just teasing.  I know they'll come back.  I just got caught pretty good in the crash.  I thought I was being smart and bought a few hundred at 0.011+ and loaned them out on polo (I was going to tuck them away for staking after I increased my equity--interest rates were at 04.5%!) just before the big dump.  I got them stuck in a loan and all I could do was watch my equity dwindle while they crashed.  I tried supplying buy support on the way down to average out my losses but it just kept crashing....it sucked!  I'm just a little butt hurt....that's all!  

[SebastianJu]

Curious???  Any chance his first name is Clement?  The creature who searches the sea for his toys who gets help finding them from an insider.....HHmmm?

http://www.storyjumper.com/book/index/13078592/Clement-the-Curious-Clam#

Very fishy!

Damn! You got me.

By the way, if anyone wants to buy clams OTC, let me know.

I probably missed some part in this fast going thread but the last posts sound like you might be the digger? Or is he still unknown and avoided the community for some reason?

[Enticed87]

Curious???  Any chance his first name is Clement?  The creature who searches the sea for his toys who gets help finding them from an insider.....HHmmm?

http://www.storyjumper.com/book/index/13078592/Clement-the-Curious-Clam#

Very fishy!

Damn! You got me.

By the way, if anyone wants to buy clams OTC, let me know.

I probably missed some part in this fast going thread but the last posts sound like you might be the digger? Or is he still unknown and avoided the community for some reason?

curious confessed to being the digger.

[jd1959]

Just to say something about SuperClam & Dooglus I was probably the last miner to use the multipool or whatever it was called, SuperClam told me that I was virtually solo mining and as such had little chance of getting

anything for my effort and sent me 50 clams for my support. I gave 10 to charity, 10 to stepson and have traded & staked my way to 250 plus Clams. As things go I can't say a bad word about SuperClam or Dooglus who

have given so much to this project. Dooglus was full of useful tech info well before he relaunched JD. I find it rather distasteful to see peps that have only come on board after the relaunch of JD question there integrity.

You may present whatever conspiracy theory you chose to believe. I for one will give them the benefit of the doubt and say that none of us are perfect and the best laid plans of mice and men.... you know the rest

Jon

[GordoZ]

So.... can we say that the clam digging has "ended"?

[dooglus]

So.... can we say that the clam digging has "ended"?

We can at least say that it appears to have ended for now:



I guessed he had around 517k CLAMs to dig. The chart shows a little less than 500k being dug since he started, so my estimate may have been a hair on the high side:

Checking my clam logs, I see something strange about the recent 'digging':

So it looks like this guy, whoever he is, is able to claim around 3.5% of the rewards in each block, and is working his way backwards through the blocks.  According to xploited, the initial distribution ordered the rewards randomly, so there's no reason to think that he won't be able to claim a similar percentage of the rewards from all the blocks.

3.5% of the initial distribution means around 517k CLAMs. In which case this digging spree is only just getting started.

[dooglus]

SuperClam told me that I was virtually solo mining and as such had little chance of getting anything for my effort and sent me 50 clams for my support.

That right there 'proves' I'm not her. Giving away money on a whim? That doesn't sound like me at all!

[lovewiki]

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet.

Unfortunate, indeed.
Was hoping your offer would get more traction.
We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested.
Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon.

A few centralized locations to stake is better than one, not optimal but it is a start. The more services clam has to offer the better!

I still would like to see more people staking with the wallets they own

Keep in mind its never a good idea to keep all you own in one location

I did try to stake on my own. However, I could only stake one block in 2 weeks, with around 200 CLAM. That was why I gave up.

Hoping that the devs can find ways to help smaller holders stake on their own. Otherwise people will just all go JD or leave.

[smooth]

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet.

Unfortunate, indeed.
Was hoping your offer would get more traction.
We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested.
Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon.

A few centralized locations to stake is better than one, not optimal but it is a start. The more services clam has to offer the better!

I still would like to see more people staking with the wallets they own

Keep in mind its never a good idea to keep all you own in one location

I did try to stake on my own. However, I could only stake one block in 2 weeks, with around 200 CLAM. That was why I gave up.

Hoping that the devs can find ways to help smaller holders stake on their own. Otherwise people will just all go JD or leave.

That's what my pools is for. We stake many blocks per day already and you get your fair share of it. Yes your own wallet is ideal but not for everyone. There are more choices than not staking or staking on JD.

[thefix]

I would expect CLAM has one of, if not the, largest percentage actively staking of any Proof-Of-Stake network.
An interesting data-point, surely.

Unfortunately it may also have the highest percentage being staked by one wallet.

Unfortunate, indeed.
Was hoping your offer would get more traction.
We could help to set-up a free web front-end, if you were interested.
Pretty sure bustaclam will be adding stake/invest options soon.

A few centralized locations to stake is better than one, not optimal but it is a start. The more services clam has to offer the better!

I still would like to see more people staking with the wallets they own

Keep in mind its never a good idea to keep all you own in one location

I did try to stake on my own. However, I could only stake one block in 2 weeks, with around 200 CLAM. That was why I gave up.

Hoping that the devs can find ways to help smaller holders stake on their own. Otherwise people will just all go JD or leave.

What size stacks did you have the 200 split into?

[dooglus]

I could only stake one block in 2 weeks, with around 200 CLAM

What size stacks did you have the 200 split into?

Since he only staked once, it doesn't really matter. Even if the 200 CLAM was in a single output the one stake will have frozen it for 8 hours only, so he was still actively staking for 13.6 days of the 14.

[thefix]

I could only stake one block in 2 weeks, with around 200 CLAM

What size stacks did you have the 200 split into?

Since he only staked once, it doesn't really matter. Even if the 200 CLAM was in a single output the one stake will have frozen it for 8 hours only, so he was still actively staking for 13.6 days of the 14.

Seems like a better option would be to split that 200 into smaller amounts say 10-15 in size and allow for a month to pass. Having a large stack locked up for 8 hours seems like a waste

[o_dima]

We can at least say that it appears to have ended for now:



I guessed he had around 517k CLAMs to dig. The chart shows a little less than 500k being dug since he started, so my estimate may have been a hair on the high side:

Checking my clam logs, I see something strange about the recent 'digging':

So it looks like this guy, whoever he is, is able to claim around 3.5% of the rewards in each block, and is working his way backwards through the blocks.  According to xploited, the initial distribution ordered the rewards randomly, so there's no reason to think that he won't be able to claim a similar percentage of the rewards from all the blocks.

3.5% of the initial distribution means around 517k CLAMs. In which case this digging spree is only just getting started.

Yes! Time to buy. Maybe. )

[smooth]

Is anyone able to sync successfully using the current client?

I find that it syncs for a little way (a few days worth of blocks) but gets slower and slower with a lot of crap like this in the debug.log:

Code:

ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=cc9762dc76933edc7f7c68dfc0df712836271d72f48ccca5edeef667f4f321ac
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=987d2c79733720773ba0233b75a0b6d969c714ee99f28b4275a5c005553bec67
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=b0f70379e39a45015ac2935fb3b285694a72c5cb13ee555c5329cbbbbac63d95
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=1d3937bc80f7581f29d94ff2cc47aec641a8d8f6b90d26d13e7bbbf76a15cfcd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=8464dd8674416bc22c784628e0e0bbcc1624b57026d4151cd99cb46299c7b108
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=ad95e18ebabc22dd8d25fc7aa00aeb080e8453e666fc08a3a22c8703c7bf2255
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=02cb0d66bdb9ee823b434e9c243ca902c9e39e4833f13d64b31edf50a56e4534
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=1bb9f0cacbaf73162a0b6d804d78577e2d59b718f303aaf7e1df2c3e2d7a13cf
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=e4b57a49036abb692715a151d3bd344a69b8c7b9ea33b76b6da3f1b3c9ff2695
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=0711b87091fdc7d37d21185456b4a12a8373e40cbb5cccc72b43e8f155ddefbb
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=87130f485e73f9d3bc780abe852dec09398453668a33665bd750fd22f04bf75c

I can stop it and restart it which gets another few days of blocks but then it gets clogged again before too long.

[cjmoles]

Is anyone able to sync successfully using the current client?

I find that it syncs for a little way (a few days worth of blocks) but gets slower and slower with a lot of crap like this in the debug.log:

Code:

ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=cc9762dc76933edc7f7c68dfc0df712836271d72f48ccca5edeef667f4f321ac
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=987d2c79733720773ba0233b75a0b6d969c714ee99f28b4275a5c005553bec67
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=b0f70379e39a45015ac2935fb3b285694a72c5cb13ee555c5329cbbbbac63d95
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=1d3937bc80f7581f29d94ff2cc47aec641a8d8f6b90d26d13e7bbbf76a15cfcd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=8464dd8674416bc22c784628e0e0bbcc1624b57026d4151cd99cb46299c7b108
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=ad95e18ebabc22dd8d25fc7aa00aeb080e8453e666fc08a3a22c8703c7bf2255
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=02cb0d66bdb9ee823b434e9c243ca902c9e39e4833f13d64b31edf50a56e4534
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=1bb9f0cacbaf73162a0b6d804d78577e2d59b718f303aaf7e1df2c3e2d7a13cf
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=e4b57a49036abb692715a151d3bd344a69b8c7b9ea33b76b6da3f1b3c9ff2695
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=0711b87091fdc7d37d21185456b4a12a8373e40cbb5cccc72b43e8f155ddefbb
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=87130f485e73f9d3bc780abe852dec09398453668a33665bd750fd22f04bf75c

I can stop it and restart it which gets another few days of blocks but then it gets clogged again before too long.

Try using the bootstrap.  The same thing happened to me awhile back but then I put the bootstrap in the folder with my wallet and it fixed the problem.

[seedtrue]

Is anyone able to sync successfully using the current client?

I find that it syncs for a little way (a few days worth of blocks) but gets slower and slower with a lot of crap like this in the debug.log:

Code:

ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=cc9762dc76933edc7f7c68dfc0df712836271d72f48ccca5edeef667f4f321ac
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=987d2c79733720773ba0233b75a0b6d969c714ee99f28b4275a5c005553bec67
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=b0f70379e39a45015ac2935fb3b285694a72c5cb13ee555c5329cbbbbac63d95
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=1d3937bc80f7581f29d94ff2cc47aec641a8d8f6b90d26d13e7bbbf76a15cfcd
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=8464dd8674416bc22c784628e0e0bbcc1624b57026d4151cd99cb46299c7b108
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=ad95e18ebabc22dd8d25fc7aa00aeb080e8453e666fc08a3a22c8703c7bf2255
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=02cb0d66bdb9ee823b434e9c243ca902c9e39e4833f13d64b31edf50a56e4534
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=1bb9f0cacbaf73162a0b6d804d78577e2d59b718f303aaf7e1df2c3e2d7a13cf
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=e4b57a49036abb692715a151d3bd344a69b8c7b9ea33b76b6da3f1b3c9ff2695
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=0711b87091fdc7d37d21185456b4a12a8373e40cbb5cccc72b43e8f155ddefbb
ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=87130f485e73f9d3bc780abe852dec09398453668a33665bd750fd22f04bf75c

I can stop it and restart it which gets another few days of blocks but then it gets clogged again before too long.

I had this problem as well on various versions of the client. I blamed it on "bad nodes", and limited max connections to 5-10. It usually worked after that.

[smooth]

Thanks ill give that a try and report back.

[SebastianJu]

Curious???  Any chance his first name is Clement?  The creature who searches the sea for his toys who gets help finding them from an insider.....HHmmm?

http://www.storyjumper.com/book/index/13078592/Clement-the-Curious-Clam#

Very fishy!

Damn! You got me.

By the way, if anyone wants to buy clams OTC, let me know.

I probably missed some part in this fast going thread but the last posts sound like you might be the digger? Or is he still unknown and avoided the community for some reason?

curious confessed to being the digger.

Oh wow. Interesting. Did he provide proof? Where's the wallet coming from and why did he chose to crash the price the way he did instead playing the game calmly and earning more that way?

Guess the recent talk of stopping the digging ability of clams was the next bad result coming from that wooden hammer method he used.