[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[dooglus]

BTW, as bad as shouting at each other on forum posts might be, one person really can't shout 10 000 times louder than someone else, especially if obvious sock puppets are ignored. That's a feature.

You make a lot of sense. I don't know how I got drawn into this discussion again. I was trying to stay out of it. I don't know what the answer is, and should refrain from talking as if I do.

[uvwvj]

You know killing the clams and using bitcoin would be the answer wait till the next runup to $2000 and see all the bitcoin days destroyed and then the clams being dug.

Kill the clam

[thefix]

Is voting still planned on going live today?

[doothewop]

Is voting still planned on going live today?

I think she was just going to post further information about what the process is going to be by today..

[Hippie Tech]

Informing people about the sockpuppet parade seen here IS productive.

Did you remember to remove your previous scam from your alt's sig yet ?

I had nothing to do with that dice site beyond a paid signature, and you know it.

Soooo  Where are your posts for that month that preceeded the damning revelations ?

If you didn't have any.. why did he/they pay you ?

Is it yet another coincidence that you, xploited and Dabs, (who btw has his own 64block scam ongoing), just happened to be there just in time to set up "the grand finale" ?

You may not have been around the gambling subforum when dicebitco.in was running, but let me remind you:

Problem
 * Just-Dice had recently shut down, leaving a big hole in the "investment dice site" market

Reaction
 * Lots of people suddenly found themselves with BTC burning a hole in their pocket, and nowhere trustworthy to invest it; we were having to choose between the fancy looking new sites and PRCdice, which had its own problems at the time

Solution

 * dicebitco.in appeared from nowhere, looking very polished and professional, and offering decent signature ad payments

 * Lots of forum members started advertising for them. I ran their ad in my signature for a month myself before reconsidering

There's no coincidence here. Pick any random forum member involved in the gambling sub-forum at the time and the chances are pretty high that they ran the dicebitco.in ad for a while.

You're right. lol It was planned.. nothing coincidental about it what sooo ever.

edit

Please stop editting and/or manipulating my posts. eg. Just noticed how you omitted the "Informing people about the sockpuppet parade seen here IS productive." part of a previous post.

42Dice and/or maco were sneaky that way aswell..

[clf99]

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/

i think this site underestimates clam's market cap by a factor of 6 at least.
this leads people to avoid the currency

[rocoro]

Whatever everyone decides (assuming it will be fair), I hope its the right answer.

[doothewop]

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/

i think this site underestimates clam's market cap by a factor of 6 at least.
this leads people to avoid the currency

You think that's what it is?  Not its lack of utility beyond playing dice?

[smooth]

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/

i think this site underestimates clam's market cap by a factor of 6 at least.
this leads people to avoid the currency

Doesn't look that way to me. Please explain.

[clf99]

sure.  the site http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/ lists clams as 49th and says there are 1million clams worth 400k$

on justdice (https://just-dice.com/) there are 900k clams invested.  Almost the whole lot?
On (http://blocktree.io/richlist/CLAM) it says the top guy, with 800k clams has 5% of the total, implying 16million.
This site (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam) based on the blockchain says (i think) that there are 15.5million clams.

if they're 40cents each, that's more than $400k.  much more.  like 5 or 6 million dollars.

It is true the utility is limited by only having a few places to use clams.  But in the world of currencies, belief can become truth.
In the world period, actually.

[smooth]

sure.  the site http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/ lists clams as 49th and says there are 1million clams worth 400k$

on justdice (https://just-dice.com/) there are 900k clams invested.  Almost the whole lot?

Yes that is well known.

On (http://blocktree.io/richlist/CLAM) it says the top guy, with 800k clams has 5% of the total, implying 16million.

The "top guy" on that list is xJDCLAMZkcp7fQ3ieHfZA4SLu3aTy2Y1mr

Did it not occur to you that is the same as the Just-Dice bankroll?

This site (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam) based on the blockchain says (i think) that there are 15.5million clams.

Yes but coinmarketcap does not count premined coins that aren't yet circulated. Same with ripple, etc.

It does correctly list "Total Supply" for CLAMS here but that number isn't used for market cap calculations, "Available Supply" is.

[chilly2k]

sure.  the site http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/ lists clams as 49th and says there are 1million clams worth 400k$

on justdice (https://just-dice.com/) there are 900k clams invested.  Almost the whole lot?
On (http://blocktree.io/richlist/CLAM) it says the top guy, with 800k clams has 5% of the total, implying 16million.
This site (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam) based on the blockchain says (i think) that there are 15.5million clams.

if they're 40cents each, that's more than $400k.  much more.  like 5 or 6 million dollars.

It is true the utility is limited by only having a few places to use clams.  But in the world of currencies, belief can become truth.
In the world period, actually.

  I wonder how often they update the active supply.  They show 1,079K and there is currently 1,460K.  Digger just finished digging in the last few days.   So they are off ~400K.  Which is quite a bit with such a low starting point. 

[smooth]

sure.  the site http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/ lists clams as 49th and says there are 1million clams worth 400k$

on justdice (https://just-dice.com/) there are 900k clams invested.  Almost the whole lot?
On (http://blocktree.io/richlist/CLAM) it says the top guy, with 800k clams has 5% of the total, implying 16million.
This site (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam) based on the blockchain says (i think) that there are 15.5million clams.

if they're 40cents each, that's more than $400k.  much more.  like 5 or 6 million dollars.

It is true the utility is limited by only having a few places to use clams.  But in the world of currencies, belief can become truth.
In the world period, actually.

  I wonder how often they update the active supply.

Seems to be a problem affecting multiple coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg13017117#msg13017117

I noted the issue with CLAMs on their thread as well.

[clf99]

so there are 1.4mil clams worth 560k$ mostly owned by one guy who owns justdice
and a new guy, the digger, who everyone is mad at that dug another 400k or so

is that about it?

 

[chilly2k]

so there are 1.4mil clams worth 560k$ mostly owned by one guy who owns justdice
and a new guy, the digger, who everyone is mad at that dug another 400k or so

is that about it?

 

   Just about...   But the one guy that owns JD is just holding the clams for his friends, and the digger is selling his as fast as he can and still get a good price. 

That's he slightly more detailed version.   

[Furio]

My client wont sync anymore, tried fresh installs everything, it wont do it, what can be the problem?

[ethought]

My client wont sync anymore, tried fresh installs everything, it wont do it, what can be the problem?

Try adding these nodes:

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[lovewiki]

It would be nice if it could be done just through the network (some kind of proxy staking) somehow,  again to avoid giving someone *control* (not ownership) over your clams.

I've looked at doing something like that in the past, but came to the conclusion that it's probably not a good idea. If there was some way of giving "staking rights" to a third party without also giving "spending rights", then more people would feel comfortable signing away their staking rights. That would lead to bigger staking pools. Currently JD doesn't have much competition, because it is the most trusted, and so even though smooth's pool is free, people would rather pay the 10% for "a name they can trust". If you didn't need to trust smooth, everyone would stake with him, and he'd be able to 51% the network. I think it's best for that reason not to separate "staking rights" from "spending rights", to force people to think seriously about who they trust to stake their coin.

Nxt allows leasing balance for forging and their network is running fine, at least far more decentralized than CLAM. This is something that CLAM should also implement.

Now if people withdraw from JD, most will just go directly to exchanges because staking on their own wallets is a waste of time. If leasing balance for staking becomes an option, it will also encourage people to move their coins off the exchanges.

[SuperClam]

Is voting still planned on going live today?

I think she was just going to post further information about what the process is going to be by today..

My apologies for the delay on announcing the specifics around the petition process.

As some of you are aware, it is a holiday in the U.S.

I have written the first draft of the announcement and disseminated it for review by other members of the development team.

I intend to find time later today to hopefully make final edits and post the announcement.

As you will see once we announce, the petition process is an ongoing process of expressing support and not a 'finite' vote.
So, no need to hold your breathe - but, I expect the wrinkles will be ironed out, agreed to and posted later today.

The included update, to make it more user-friendly to format petitions, should also include a few other features such as "CLAMnotary"(finally).

Back later.

[doothewop]

staking on their own wallets is a waste of time.

I don't find this to be the case at all.