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[dreamspark]

What do you guys think of just using volume as a way of gauging public interest in alts?
I realize it is not perfect, clearly. But it has been nice seeing XMR climb, but we are not alone.

Here is the site I use to see alt volumes: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/coins/info
(If you know of any others, please let me know.)

Currently we are the #6 coin. Dark has been falling. But Cloak seems to be extremely strong in volume lately.  It is almost on par with LTC.
I have read not much good about Cloak here, but it is almost the #2 coin and it is an "anonymous" coin as well. Volume is around 1000 BTC.

IAS

Cloak is just having its pump, averaging the volumes over a week or so will tell you a different story.

[itod]

What do you guys think of just using volume as a way of gauging public interest in alts?

Problem is it's hard to watch volume since the data differs. I watch volume on these four sites:
https://coinmarketcap.com/
http://www.cryptocoinrank.com/
http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/coins/info
http://cryptmarketcap.com/
If you research thoroughly, you'll see that much data is misleading since each of them don't include all exchange data. Some coins have only one (or two) exchanges that are relevant for their trading, and data from other exchanges just muddies the water. I've starting building my own tool to watch emerging coins, but it's just such a hard work to do it properly, and for the time being I'm still doing it manually, believe it or not it's just easier.

[whap]

There are technical Monero threads, dev threads and other places for those issues. This thread is for fucking playing this shit, as well as serious tech. And also it does not necessarily mean fight.

Amen. People often blindly underestimate the inherent deficiencies of non-personal conversations. There's a lot of space for misunderstandings, thus misleading conversations off-topic, sometimes getting even unnecessarily offensive. Intelligence ≠ intelligence...

We are here for one purpose, stay focused.
Do crypto, not war.

[Skinnkavaj]

[Skinnkavaj]

[Skinnkavaj]

Mr Good Guy Altcoin Investor

[whap]

I have some blue pills left. You can have them

[Majormax]

Calm yourself, son.

I am likely your elder.

According to information known to me, AnonyMint is 10-20 years older than fluffypony. I think that (as well as his credentials, and pure motives) should increase our respect towards him. Only ignorant people ignore AnonyMint.

I told you to reign in dga. He reflects badly on your coin.

Freedom of speech is not so easily reigned, and public white- and blacklists of politically correct people sounds like a bad idea.

Fluffypony's response of whitelisting the core team and "let the others speak for themselves only" seems good.

I would like to have a technical and factual discussion, but instead you want to fucking play this shit. That means fight.

There are technical Monero threads, dev threads and other places for those issues. This thread is for fucking playing this shit, as well as serious tech. And also it does not necessarily mean fight.

Thanks for the interjection...your moderation is skilful.

To paraphrase you, a bit of passion is inevitable, and good, I agree. There is a fine line between discussing specific technicals of alt.coins , and philiosophy of cryptocurrecy generally.

[Majormax]

What do you guys think of just using volume as a way of gauging public interest in alts?
I realize it is not perfect, clearly. But it has been nice seeing XMR climb, but we are not alone.

Here is the site I use to see alt volumes: http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/coins/info
(If you know of any others, please let me know.)

Currently we are the #6 coin. Dark has been falling. But Cloak seems to be extremely strong in volume lately.  It is almost on par with LTC.
I have read not much good about Cloak here, but it is almost the #2 coin and it is an "anonymous" coin as well. Volume is around 1000 BTC.

IAS

In such a speculative market, volume can be quite ephemeral. A coin often trades heavy volume for a few days, or weeks, before slowly falling to oblivion.

Volume trend, together with longer term analysis would be relevant.  eg Using multiday moving averages, similar to stock prices.

[klee]

Your comment about anonymous mining has already been responded to by smooth who indicated that mining on i2p will work just fine, but the increased latency would likely lead to a higher orphan rate than mining over TCP. So saying that we "can't" build anonymity into mining when we already have is quite bizarre.

I thought that anonymous mining is an all or nothing case, am I missing something?
I mean all nodes should mine the same anonymous way in order to achieve real network anonymity, right?

[fluffypony]

I thought that anonymous mining is an all or nothing case, am I missing something?
I mean all nodes should mine the same anonymous way in order to achieve real network anonymity, right?

The blockreward is already anonymous, it pays out-of-band to a stealth address and it's outputs only (ring signatures are only applied to inputs). We're talking about hiding whether you're running a regular node or you're mining (submitting blocks), which means masking your traffic. The upshot is that the added latency caused by submitting your block via i2p means that there's a higher probability of it being orphaned. It's hard to quantify it at this stage, once we are at a point where i2p is on testnet we'll be able to play with scenarios and get some real world results.

[nakaone]

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/overstock-and-cryptocurrency/

"Overstock has already held extensive discussions with a company called CounterParty, which offers software that could help drive such a cryptosecurity..."

[Anotheranonlol]

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/overstock-and-cryptocurrency/

"Overstock has already held extensive discussions with a company called CounterParty, which offers software that could help drive such a cryptosecurity..."

I do see CounterParty as being the most appropriate fit for Patrick's visions. Judging by his comments and wiki commits he seems to notice the numerous measurable benefits the platform offers over the competition.

As PhantomPhreak pointed out the CounterParty team also set a standard as the first major Bitcoin 2.0 project to have had any formal, comprensive, expert security audits of its codebase.

The first CounterParty audit was undertaken by respected Bitcoin Security researcher, and professional cryptographer with 8 Bitcoin CVE's under his belt. Sergio Demian Lerner

Who had this to say:

Keeping the counterparty source code small and independent of the network client is a great design decision, from the point of view of security. Because of this Counterparty client is the smallest, readable and yet completely usable “alt-coin” I’ve ever seen.

The second audit was recently undertaken by Peter Todd, once again no significant security issues were found. Improvements/enhancements recommended by him are publicly listed on github for anyones perusal and discussion about their implementation Open issues pertinent to that audit here

This is a great approach, and Monero seems to be doing well to follow.

[hornyPo]

Would be great to see a similar comparison for Monero vs Boolberry if someone is up for it.

I have a dream: BBR and XMR devs become one team

bonero

Moonberry?

Marsberry?

Or just boner.  hehe

BigBonerX

Boolero

[darkota]

Would be great to see a similar comparison for Monero vs Boolberry if someone is up for it.

I have a dream: BBR and XMR devs become one team

bonero

Moonberry?

Marsberry?

Or just boner.  hehe

BigBonerX

Boolero

Boonbuggy

JK(thats a horrible name)

[JorgeStolfi]

Would be great to see a similar comparison for Monero vs Boolberry if someone is up for it.

I have a dream: BBR and XMR devs become one team

bonero

Moonberry?

Marsberry?

Or just boner.  hehe

BigBonerX

Boolero

Moolberry

[Triffin]

Anyone care to review KeyCoin ??

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695457.0

Only 1,000,000 coins
POS
22 member Dev Team
See Dan MetCalf's comments viz a viz KeyCoin's autonomous solution
( Which is fully functional atm )

Lots of cheerleaders as the price runup has been substantial in the past week ..
Just interested in opinions if there is anything there or just a well orchestrated P&D ..
See the OP and posts #1664 and #1795 for the main features ..

Triff ..

[jwinterm]

Would be great to see a similar comparison for Monero vs Boolberry if someone is up for it.

I have a dream: BBR and XMR devs become one team

bonero

Moonberry?

Marsberry?

Or just boner.  hehe

BigBonerX

Boolero

Moolberry

lol I think this is my fav bitcointalk post ever...and I'd like to suggest Monhoneypennyberry

[kbm]

Anyone care to review KeyCoin ??

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695457.0

Only 1,000,000 coins
POS
22 member Dev Team
See Dan MetCalf's comments viz a viz KeyCoin's autonomous solution
( Which is fully functional atm )

Lots of cheerleaders as the price runup has been substantial in the past week ..
Just interested in opinions if there is anything there or just a well orchestrated P&D ..
See the OP and posts #1664 and #1795 for the main features ..

Triff ..

I'd be worried of this novacoin(?) fork: https://bitbucket.org/keycoin/keycoin/commits/all

4 commits for a readme
2 for dns
2 for fork

All within the first two days of launch, nothing since then. 1 branch, 1 watcher .. yet 22(?) people on the team. Do they only have one or two coders? It's been two busy weeks now, surely a few of them could have at least followed it?

I wonder if this anonymous checkmark thing they talk about for sending anon tx's is literally just something to click?

[Queeq]

Anyone care to review KeyCoin ??

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695457.0

Only 1,000,000 coins
POS
22 member Dev Team
See Dan MetCalf's comments viz a viz KeyCoin's autonomous solution
( Which is fully functional atm )

Lots of cheerleaders as the price runup has been substantial in the past week ..
Just interested in opinions if there is anything there or just a well orchestrated P&D ..
See the OP and posts #1664 and #1795 for the main features ..

Triff ..

This one is pretty controversial.

From the one side, Dan Metcalf (XCurrency dev, if someone doesn't know) said a lot of good things about it.

From another side, they took XC's rev.1 code and built upon it a new coin, however failing to acknowledge this. At least in the opening post. I saw someone claimed they avoid this in their further posts as well, haven't checked myself.