[XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos

[atcsecure]

I think everyone needs to chill out and let people work together.  

Whatever his motives, Chapelin is giving his time to this product, and we should be grateful for that.

At this point, with very few transaction, by scrubbing addresses and matching transactions in/out, he can find an address tied to the wallet.

So trying to say he is wrong - is wrong.  

I would imagine if we treated him with a little more respect, he would probably do the same in return.  

Once transactions pick up, it may be a lot harder to track those transactions, but by using his method - whatever it be, he most likely would be able to match the transaction, or at least narrow it down.

if the sent matches the received, it most likely will be able to be flagged if not by the eye, by a piece of software.

but the issue he is making a statement he can't back up and he is confused on how the software works so he is assuming something and if he is correct, I would like to see the proof otherwise it is FUD

the mixer doesn't use the multi-inputs from sender A to create the output to receiver B, if it does, he should be able to prove that

[1715331037]

1715331037

[phosphorush]

he did change the subject and didn't provide the proof

[lnash]

Cryptogretzky, Dadon, DRRobert, Wevus, Evtrmm, Mikemikemike, Jestersdead, Greyskies, 520bit, Jasinlee, Teka, Pizpie and anyone else interested:

Huge differentiator XC MOBILE APP has been created (Android and IPhone) but not released
- quick mobile transfer
- balance checks
- full control over keys
- advanced QR code scanner
- mixer support coming

If we want to do an exclusive launch with XC - message me in our IRC channel #XCofficial - I'm there as Alliance.

I spoke with the mobile app developer and he sees the potential in XC, likes the community, and may do it for a XC bounty.
He was originally looking to do the launch with a different coin; however, if we can get in there quickly, it's ours.

[sukottosan_d]

This argument is really confusing.
I see chaeplin making points...then people asking him to show them...but he is showing you.
I see no counter-explanation that shows he is incorrect, just people arguing with him who don't know what they are looking at. I see some attempt at it from atcsecure - but no real explanation of why what is happening is the correct behaviour and how it provides anonymity.

Do you guys have a whitepaper I can look at or something for the overall design?

[chaeplin]

Really? Good to know.

Anyway, You want hard link, that two address of mixer are connected.
Right ?


 

yes

Then code is right. Sending to real payee works good.

Problem is received coins are reused.

Proof :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.msg7254769#msg7254769

I have to prove two address is related.
XPpRHV6hWFDnQvNhu7WaRy6h6KfGkmx9Hb === XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC

Right ?
 

ah but the received coins that are re-used at not from that transaction, it is from an earlier transaction through the mixer, so a different SENDER

Right. not from that transaction.

Used address by Mixer is related after all.

In this case, txs are fewer, so very clear.

It's related after 10 ~~ many blocks after.

So I call it flaw.

Ah, so there is no provable direct link

thank you

1FzikiCbBUM2YnatvHS9ufJtrUqkmuMD8s is mine.

okay show me the proof of link?

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?96187.htm
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?96160.htm


1FzikiCbBUM2YnatvHS9ufJtrUqkmuMD8s is mine.

the receivers address is

XV49MnmtTirtZSQ2jtgisvNhNr6DduzCNu


show the proof back to the original senders address

otherwise your spreading FUD

The bounty is still open until somebody proves the link...

Don't you understand this ?

I show you mixer address is related.

Want more ?

all your showing is the mixer address, the bounty is for showing a link from the original sender to the receiver address of XV49MnmtTirtZSQ2jtgisvNhNr6DduzCNu

of course you can trace back to the mixer from the receiver address, but prove the sender's address and link ON THE BLOCKCHAIN

Oh kiddding.


Sender --- a add of mixer -- b add of mixer -- payee.

It's in blockchain,  a add of mixer == b add of mixer.

okay so prove it if you want the bounty -  but prove the sender's address and link ON THE BLOCKCHAIN

Well I think you don't know anything about multi input.

It's used in a input together.

Ah, so you change topics when you can't prove the link from sender to receiver?  

Input
An input is a reference to an output in a different transaction. Multiple inputs are often listed in a transaction.
 The values of the referenced outputs are added up, and the total is usable in the outputs of this transaction.
 Previous tx is a hash of a previous transaction. Index is the specific output in the referenced transaction. ScriptSig is the first half of a script (discussed in more detail later).

The script contains two components, a signature and a public key. The public key belongs to the redeemer of the output
 transaction and proves the creator is allowed to redeem the outputs value. The other component is an ECDSA signature over
a hash of a simplified version of the transaction. It, combined with the public key, proves the transaction was created
by the real owner of the address in question.
Various flags define how the transaction is simplified and can be used to create different types of payment.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions


Related. pass-through mixer.

[acseric]

This argument is really confusing.
I see chaeplin making points...then people asking him to show them...but he is showing you.
I see no counter-explanation that shows he is incorrect, just people arguing with him who don't know what they are looking at. I see some attempt at it from atcsecure - but no real explanation of why what is happening is the correct behaviour and how it provides anonymity.

Do you guys have a whitepaper I can look at or something for the overall design?

Exactly.  I work in tech, and it reminds me of when a hardcore developer tries to explain something to someone on the business side.

[the_game1224]

I think everyone needs to chill out and let people work together.  

Whatever his motives, Chapelin is giving his time to this product, and we should be grateful for that.

At this point, with very few transaction, by scrubbing addresses and matching transactions in/out, he can find an address tied to the wallet.

So trying to say he is wrong - is wrong.  

I would imagine if we treated him with a little more respect, he would probably do the same in return.  

Once transactions pick up, it may be a lot harder to track those transactions, but by using his method - whatever it be, he most likely would be able to match the transaction, or at least narrow it down.

if the sent matches the received, it most likely will be able to be flagged if not by the eye, by a piece of software.

What do you mean treat him with a little more respect?  He has been asked multiple times to prove the senders address and link on the blockchain to which he cannot do and changes the subject.  If he wants respect then all he needs to do is provide what ATC has requested

[Artoodeetoo]

I really don't see chaeplan as here to help, i think he is a paid drk troll, purely here for fud. Luckily we have a pto active dev who is on the forums and here to show him up.. Great job atc.. You have the drk boys very worried

[ballzdeep]

if the problem is low transaction amounts cant we all send some coin at same time same amount all over the place and dig in that pile ?

[chaeplin]

I think everyone needs to chill out and let people work together.  

Whatever his motives, Chapelin is giving his time to this product, and we should be grateful for that.

At this point, with very few transaction, by scrubbing addresses and matching transactions in/out, he can find an address tied to the wallet.

So trying to say he is wrong - is wrong.  

I would imagine if we treated him with a little more respect, he would probably do the same in return.  

Once transactions pick up, it may be a lot harder to track those transactions, but by using his method - whatever it be, he most likely would be able to match the transaction, or at least narrow it down.

if the sent matches the received, it most likely will be able to be flagged if not by the eye, by a piece of software.

LOVE SEEING THE FIRE IN YOU TODAY!!! FUCK THE DRK FUDDERS THIS COIN IS LEGIT AS FUCK!!!!

but the issue he is making a statement he can't back up and he is confused on how the software works so he is assuming something and if he is correct, I would like to see the proof otherwise it is FUD

the mixer doesn't use the multi-inputs from sender A to create the output to receiver B, if it does, he should be able to prove that

Mixer just use output of wallet.

And you can't deny.
this is multi input.
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?96187.htm

Code:

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[atcsecure]

if the problem is low transaction amounts cant we all send some coin at same time same amount all over the place and dig in that pile ?

Even with the low TX amounts, he wasn't able to show the sender's address...

[evtrmm]

Cryptogretzky, Dadon, DRRobert, Wevus, Evtrmm, Mikemikemike, Jestersdead, Greyskies, 520bit, Jasinlee, Teka, Pizpie and anyone else interested:

Huge differentiator XC MOBILE APP has been created (Android and IPhone) but not released
- quick mobile transfer
- balance checks
- full control over keys
- advanced QR code scanner
- mixer support coming

If we want to do an exclusive launch with XC - message me in our IRC channel #XCofficial - I'm there as Alliance.

I spoke with the mobile app developer and he sees the potential in XC, likes the community, and may do it for a XC bounty.
He was originally looking to do the launch with a different coin; however, if we can get in there quickly, it's ours.

+1

Is this the new XC "DARK" wallet.  J/K

[acseric]

I really don't see chaeplan as here to help, i think he is a paid drk troll, purely here for fud. Luckily we have a pto active dev who is on the forums and here to show him up.. Great job atc.. You have the drk boys very worried

Critics (or testers) arent supposed to help.  they are supposed to point out problems.  Once you are aware of the problems, you them fix them.

Development 101

[cyberhacker]

if the problem is low transaction amounts cant we all send some coin at same time same amount all over the place and dig in that pile ?

Even with the low TX amounts, he wasn't able to show the sender's address...

Thanks Dev,

now it is time to get on right track--our further projects.

nothing can stop XC

[ethereal73]

Really? Good to know.

Anyway, You want hard link, that two address of mixer are connected.
Right ?


 

yes

Then code is right. Sending to real payee works good.

Problem is received coins are reused.

Proof :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.msg7254769#msg7254769

I have to prove two address is related.
XPpRHV6hWFDnQvNhu7WaRy6h6KfGkmx9Hb === XFY3XchgfA16dFv9pFVDTpCGg2q7TWUNtC

Right ?
 

ah but the received coins that are re-used at not from that transaction, it is from an earlier transaction through the mixer, so a different SENDER

Right. not from that transaction.

Used address by Mixer is related after all.

In this case, txs are fewer, so very clear.

It's related after 10 ~~ many blocks after.

So I call it flaw.

Ah, so there is no provable direct link

thank you

1FzikiCbBUM2YnatvHS9ufJtrUqkmuMD8s is mine.

okay show me the proof of link?

http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?96187.htm
http://chainz.cryptoid.info/xc/tx.dws?96160.htm


1FzikiCbBUM2YnatvHS9ufJtrUqkmuMD8s is mine.

the receivers address is

XV49MnmtTirtZSQ2jtgisvNhNr6DduzCNu


show the proof back to the original senders address

otherwise your spreading FUD

The bounty is still open until somebody proves the link...

Don't you understand this ?

I show you mixer address is related.

Want more ?

all your showing is the mixer address, the bounty is for showing a link from the original sender to the receiver address of XV49MnmtTirtZSQ2jtgisvNhNr6DduzCNu

of course you can trace back to the mixer from the receiver address, but prove the sender's address and link ON THE BLOCKCHAIN

Oh kiddding.


Sender --- a add of mixer -- b add of mixer -- payee.

It's in blockchain,  a add of mixer == b add of mixer.

okay so prove it if you want the bounty -  but prove the sender's address and link ON THE BLOCKCHAIN

Well I think you don't know anything about multi input.

It's used in a input together.

Ah, so you change topics when you can't prove the link from sender to receiver?  

Input
An input is a reference to an output in a different transaction. Multiple inputs are often listed in a transaction.
 The values of the referenced outputs are added up, and the total is usable in the outputs of this transaction.
 Previous tx is a hash of a previous transaction. Index is the specific output in the referenced transaction. ScriptSig is the first half of a script (discussed in more detail later).

The script contains two components, a signature and a public key. The public key belongs to the redeemer of the output
 transaction and proves the creator is allowed to redeem the outputs value. The other component is an ECDSA signature over
a hash of a simplified version of the transaction. It, combined with the public key, proves the transaction was created
by the real owner of the address in question.
Various flags define how the transaction is simplified and can be used to create different types of payment.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions


Related. pass-through mixer.

A personal attack on ATCSecure isnt any proof, a link to Wiki isnt any proof, and saying the one who wrote this don't understand it is just hilarious.
All Fud spreaders have one thing in common, if they cant convince you, they WILL attack you personal, and you are no exception!
Just keep it on topic, and post the full proof, without any step missing.

[atcsecure]

I really don't see chaeplan as here to help, i think he is a paid drk troll, purely here for fud. Luckily we have a pto active dev who is on the forums and here to show him up.. Great job atc.. You have the drk boys very worried

Critics (or testers) arent supposed to help.  they are supposed to point out problems.  Once you are aware of the problems, you them fix them.

Development 101

correct but when you make a statement and then just show the mixer address and claim that links w/ the sender address without showing the sender address - how does that help?

[Artoodeetoo]

The fud is so obvious now its actually making us stronger lol

[phosphorush]

What doesn't FUD you only makes you stronger?

[acseric]

I really don't see chaeplan as here to help, i think he is a paid drk troll, purely here for fud. Luckily we have a pto active dev who is on the forums and here to show him up.. Great job atc.. You have the drk boys very worried

He is famous for being a HUGE DRK FANBOY look at their threads... and ATCSECURE love to see the fire in you calling him out FUCK THESE FUDDERS XC FTW

He doesnt appear to be fudding, he appears to have an actual point.  Address the point he is making and explain why it isnt an issue.  If you can do that, there wont be and Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt.

[greyskies]

Great news.

No-one can prove the link so far.

And this is only release 1.

Wait until Ver2 with multipath and realtime encrypted messages.

Plus our xnodes can be ran in ANY wallet. Unlike DRK where you set up a node on a VPS that can get hacked (someone lost 1000 DRK). Watch out DRK, we are coming for you