that will be the official logo?
Is this the best time to organize the vote? It is July... hot, people are on their vacations, hot, people are lazy...
That lazyness is now even stronger; it is already difficult to gather all the information and ideas and opinions about logos and voting. They have been presented in BTT, Trello, Nemcoin, and other forums since February.
Tho there has been the logo committee, I suspect that also they have been lazy in this matter: they have not considered all the ideas and aspects. "All" the discussion and idea throwing have been wasted. At least it looks so.
Because it is July and hot and you all are lazy, here is only one issue to be thought:
1.
The logo should unify the community; it should
not increase the dispersion e.g. by splitting the community into two opposite groups.
The dispersion could be avoided by a voting system which allows "negative" votes. Has such been considered?
The vote has now been thrown to the wall like a small note on the coffee room's wall: "please make a new coffee-pot after you have taken the last cup". (this note indicates something which is obvious - something similar is in the latest vote postings: it is obvious that the "brand new" logo is the winner ... )
I hoped to see more discipline in this matter, despite the summer.
hey,
I'm one of the people who isn't afraid to speak my mind, and mention something that may not be all "fluffy fluffy", and try to find solutions that will help NEM improve by pointing out weaknesses if need be.
By your post, there were two things I understood that you were pointing out.
1. You were not happy with the vote being held in July
and
2. You wanted a way to do a negative vote for logos? So you would be able to vote more than once then, by down voting logos you did not like, as well as voting on the one you liked?
This is what I got from your post, before I comment on your post, I just want to make sure I understood it clearly.
Did I understand the two main points correctly?
yes;
the 2. is more important, as some voting system could produce such a winner, which the most people like. Now it is possible that the winner is supported by eg. 33% and 60% hate it.
The 1. is a guess ... maybe the voting activity could be higher after summer vacations. Now there are voting only "enthusiastics".
And yes, the smileys were intentionally dropped. They have not actually helped in the past postings, if the results are this kind. (Just waiting when having time to install the alpha and start testing. "No laughing in heaven"... )
I understand your points now.
Point 1: There are going to be people even more busy in the fall when we are all in "kids back to school mode", then there is the holiday season right around the corner. I see your concern about people being on vacation, and summer being a "lazy" type/time of year.
The truth is, there will always be an argument, as to there being something to point at that would indicate something not being optimal, regarding the time frame for a vote to be conducted.
The truth is, we need a logo chosen right away, as branding packages are based on the logo, and marketing is dependent on the branding package. So it couldn't be more crucial to get a logo chosen right away, as we are a tad bit behind on the marketing front, and the Promotion team has marketing plans in place ready to go, and need these other things done to launch their marketing efforts. But please don't misunderstand me here, quality was not sacrificed in this process. All of the logos chosen by the committee live up the the functions that a logo must represent.
I wish myself that there were a "perfect" time to hold a vote, but as stated above, we will never have that luxury. This is why the vote is being held now.
Also,
I can assure that this "lazy" type of time, though true for many, has not affected the Dev team, as they just put out an alpha, or the Promotion team, as they now producing a newsletter, fielding all types of questions, and the fact they are holding the logo vote, in my eyes, makes me see that they were not affected by the lazy summer months either.
So when it comes to the NEM team, the evidence shows that they have been very active despite it being July. These guys are not on vacation, that is for sure!!!
I hope this covers you concerns in point #1
As to your second point, I see your main concern being that a logo can win, by having the most votes, but not having the majority of the votes. This is a valid concern. This is why political elections are done the way they are, so this does not happen.
In this case, your point is completely valid. There is no arguing that.
What I can say is that there is another very valid point as well. That is the urgency of getting the logo chosen, and we have multiple great logos to choose from. It comes down to what is more important? There is always conflicting VALID arguments in almost any major decision. This is unavoidable.
What it comes down to, is we need a logo, many were discussed, and a committee was formed to gather all opinions on ALL the logos that were available, and they narrowed them down to the few that you see in the vote.
This is exactly what you were pointing out. Nothing is perfect, but your valid concern was already addressed by this narrowing down process, so that we don't end up with a logo that "won" but not that many people voted for.
This way your second concern was addressed, while balanced with other valid concerns as well. ie the need to get the logo chosen so we can get the whole show on the road. There is balance here. Many valid concerns were addressed when the voting plan was created by the Promotional team.
With your # 2 concern:
I hope the fact that your concern was already brought up and balanced with others who had valid concerns will be something you can respect, as the Promotional team did a fantastic job balancing everyone's concerns and opinions.
Thank you for speaking up, and adding your voice, even when i'm sure you thought that it wasn't a popular one. We need more people like you in the conversation, that will speak up, and at the same time accept and respect that this is a community with a great Promotional team that can only balance everyone's concerns to the best of their ability.
Thanks again, and keep thinking of ideas, as they are the blood of what keeps NEM, and this community, at the forefront of the cryptocurrency movement!!
Yes, I'm aware about the arguments you point ...
maybe I have to highlight the possibility to change or evolve.
And, maybe have to "spam" more ...
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jkoil on Logo and and promotional resources
makoto had a point: "Do you have an idea of what kind of logo you want? Like a box or a coin?"
The current logo suggestions can give some direction, what kind of logo could be good for NEM and what kind is not good.
If there is not good enough suggestions, then why not asking some professional. That is not a bad thing; sometimes we may need help from outside of the community.
I've thought that there is no hurry to select a logo now. At least the hurry shouldn't force to accept something, which is fairly good, but still lacking "something".
Can't there be a temporary logo,a simple "NEM" until that?
(Didn't NXT have also some temp logo before the final vote)
If there comes a voting, 51% shouldn't be enough for a win ... and maybe a negative vote could be useful
Mar 10, 2014 at 23:06 - on board NEM Promotion
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jkoil on Logo soon ?
A logo can be important but it is not the matter of "live or die".
Companies do change their logos.The logos are more important in real life, where the companies try to reach their customers all around the world, cities, streets, highways, TV, net, etc.
For NEM the situation will be (at least) for some months such that the company (NEM) and the customers (NEM-devs/owners/new owners/followers/haters/etc.) exist in the same space: here in the net. The one and only NEM logo is not yet so essential.
The logo could be selected in this month; the best from the current alternatives. But it does not need to be the "final" logo. It could be a "space reserver" until a good, final logo is selected and started sculpting it to the stone.-)
May 18 at 22:51 - edited May 18 at 23:02 - on board NEM Promotion
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jkoil on Logo Contest 2. Phase of Narrowing down
As many have said: NEM is different from other cryptocurrencies, therefore also its logo should be new, different, classy, etc.
That would be the optimal situation.
But it is a difficult target.
To complete the target it might be better that the design is not started from already-known figures.
Though the design is not started from some already-known figures, it may end looking like some, which already exist. Eg. the N+E+M logo has its look-alikes; NOS's logo in
http://www.sdwhaven.com/random-inspiration/logo-combinations-cubes-and-logo-design/But in this case we can still say, why N+E+M logo is what it is
Anyway, it maybe so that N+E+M is not enough its own kind to be the final logo. At least for a temporary logo I would accept it...)
Jun 29 at 18:40 - on board NEM Promotion
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