Scientific proof that God exists?

[franky1]

to prove the existence of god, first needs to describe what is god to then use as a control element that all scientific tests can compare to, to validate the test

so lets start there
many people imagine god as some humanoid 'jack and the beanstalk' giant living in the clouds
some think his is some ancient alien

what if we go with the hypothesis that our moral compass, the voice inside our head that tells us not to put our hand in a fire or touch the pointy side of a knife is 'god'

so beginning with our subconscious. what is our subconscious. well at basic level its the neurons firing in our brains programmed by nurture and nature.

at a deeper level its electrons firing between conductive fibres
at an even deeper level its waves of plasma working at a certain frequency that unite to form all things from gluons, neutron, protons, electrons

so what if god is the ultimate base wave of plasma frequency that then sonic boomed into all frequency waves that then attracted or repelled or coalesced to become all elements of the periodic table and all matter and all life

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[BADecker]

The online dictionary at https://www.dictionary.com/browse/God describes "god."

god
[ god ]

1.    one of several deities, especially a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.: Compare goddess (def. 1).

2.    an image of a deity; an idol.

3.    any deified person or object.

4.    a nebulous powerful force imagined to be responsible for one's fate: The god of poker dealt me two aces.

5.    gods, Theater.

        the upper balcony in a theater.

        the spectators in this part of the balcony.

But this is lower case 'god'. Upper case God is the Almighty, Who created and controls the whole universe.

[franky1]

But this is lower case 'god'. Upper case God is the Almighty, Who created and controls the whole universe.

and what created and controls the whole universe.. not some giant in the clouds, but the energy of plasma waves of different frequencies that form to create and power everything ever in existance. energy is immortal

[BADecker]

But this is lower case 'god'. Upper case God is the Almighty, Who created and controls the whole universe.

and what created and controls the whole universe.. not some giant in the clouds, but the energy of plasma waves of different frequencies that form to create and power everything ever in existance. energy is immortal

Exactly!... sort of. Nassim Haramein actually explains in some of his videos about the vibrations in the aether. These vibrations are the 'sound waves' from the voice of God. Nassim even explains it that way... sort of.

Material is also vibrational frequencies at its base... like light is both particle and wave. The vibrations of the aether that fill all of what we call space - even the space between the subatomic particles of the atoms - is really complex vibrations that order the way the material universe works. In other words, the way the Einstein describes things is only a tiny 'speck' of the gigantically elaborate and complex way that the universe works.

The voice of God controls it all. And since God came to Earth in the form of Jesus, the man, God is also a man. Jesus is like a Superman Who controls everything with the Almighty Power of God... to the extent that He is God.

Some have said that they have debunked Nassim's science. But all they have done is to neglect looking at or considering the rest of science that exists for anyone to see who is willing to take a look.

[franky1]

you still envision god as a humanoid HA
you still have much to learn

god is not a sentient single being.
"god" is the energy in all matter and living things. hence the words "god is everywhere" "god created all things"

what if i told you everything you have read in your bible are not words of god(single humanoid), but of a bunch of people that learned to write in later years and made up moral stories some based from moral campfire spoken stories told to them by others, which meant to teach people ethics and morals.

what if i told you these writers didnt want to get blamed for being so judgemental so invented a humanoid being to distract the attention away from the writers being blamed for teaching judgemental passages and make it sound like some mystical being that cant be touched said it

much like congress make laws, where congressmen write/pass the laws but then pretend they are not to blame and that its "government" that created the law not the individual congressmen

[BADecker]

What if I told you that if things that you say contradict the Bible... that's okay. Nobody can understand the greatness of God Almighty.

Let me warn you, however. There will be a resurrection of all people. God will do it. He is so great that it will be an easy thing for Him to do.

In the resurrection, if you are found to not have been on His side in this life, in favor of Him as a man in this life, sentencing will not go well for you.

In addition, while that subject has to do with religion, finding God in a scientific way will probably help with your finding of the correct religion.

[franky1]

What if I told you that if things that you say contradict the Bible... that's okay. Nobody can understand the greatness of God Almighty.

Let me warn you, however. There will be a resurrection of all people. God will do it. He is so great that it will be an easy thing for Him to do.

In the resurrection, if you are found to not have been on His side in this life, in favor of Him as a man in this life, sentencing will not go well for you.

In addition, while that subject has to do with religion, finding God in a scientific way will probably help with your finding of the correct religion.

again you are thinking of 'him' in humanoid form..
funny because if 'he' was one man in these modern times. he would be shackled up and put in prison before he could even touch 100 other people negatively

unless you think he is some magic wizard that would instantly appear in full adult maturity and cause international chaos that only affected those that criticise him

what you have to realise is god is a concept where law makers can affect peoples lives but then explain the blame onto some concept no one can touch. and then the same law makers of olden days make laws to never question the blame shifted concept.

when you work out that old age priests were the ultimate puppetmasters of control of law post 0 millennia of current calendar , to move away from greek, ancient roman concepts of law to introduce the Vatican as the new government. you will soon learn how the word "god" was invented

it took many centuries to go viral. but the vatican knew what they were doing, playing the long con

[BADecker]

What if I told you that if things that you say contradict the Bible... that's okay. Nobody can understand the greatness of God Almighty.

Let me warn you, however. There will be a resurrection of all people. God will do it. He is so great that it will be an easy thing for Him to do.

In the resurrection, if you are found to not have been on His side in this life, in favor of Him as a man in this life, sentencing will not go well for you.

In addition, while that subject has to do with religion, finding God in a scientific way will probably help with your finding of the correct religion.

again you are thinking of 'him' in humanoid form..
funny because if 'he' was one man in these modern times. he would be shackled up and put in prison before he could even touch 100 other people negatively - He is a man, and He is also God.

God exists throughout eternity, before He made the universe, and after He destroys it.

unless you think he is some magic wizard that would instantly appear in full adult maturity and cause international chaos that only affected those that criticise him - When Jesus returns, He will come in God-power as well as being a man at the same time. It will be He Who determines the status quo of all people. No number of people will be able to coerce Him in the least, even though they will feebly attempt to do so.

what you have to realise is god is a concept where law makers can affect peoples lives but then explain the blame onto some concept no one can touch. and then the same law makers of olden days make laws to never question the blame shifted concept. - You will realize at the return of Jesus (but hopefully before for your sake) that God is a reality as well as a concept.

when you work out that old age priests were the ultimate puppetmasters of control of law post 0 millennia of current calendar , to move away from greek, ancient roman concepts of law to introduce the Vatican as the new government. you will soon learn how the word "god" was invented - The word 'god' in any of its forms doesn't mean much as a simple word. It's the relationship between God and each individual person that holds any meaning and power for that person. The power exists for people who believe in God, and for those that don't believe in God. The method that the power acts on both groups will be different, however. Why? Because God makes it to be that way.

it took many centuries to go viral. but the vatican knew what they were doing, playing the long con

Generally speaking, the Vatican is against God, even though they acknowledge His existence.


God is an alien. However, He is also a 'prototype' as Jesus the man. As a man, God exists throughout all eternity, simply because He is God, as well.

Why would God make Jesus to be God? For the simple fact that He was not going to let Satan or weak people divert Him from what He wants. As the God-man, Jesus can control everything. He controls as he does, simply to give us all freedom. That's the kind of Guy God is.

God is giving all people power. Those who believe in Jesus will get life with Him, forever. Those who do not believe in Him will get death forever and ever. They will get death by their own doing, by using the God-power that God is giving everyone to destroy themselves by not accepting Jesus, the only real power for people.

[franky1]

now you are just spouting nonsense rhetoric from a book you read produced long after the dates in which the book purports to be concerning
nothing you said in blue has any science basis


also in your pre-medieval sci-fi novel, in the end people did get him, pin him to a post and by easter he was gone for good.. seems the people won and the alien you adore lost the fight

when he was dragging his death post.. no one, no act of nature, no magic, no super power was smiting or harming guards ordering him to keep moving

no one/nothing stopped the guy that hammered the nails
no one/nothing stopped the swords or the thorn headwear

so although its a ancient sci-fi novel that meant to be just a storybook of moral judgements.. you might wanna check that in the end the main character lost

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oh wait they did write a sequal where he did return again and again he did threaten that he would come back again on judgement day
they made a movie about it,.. terminator 'ill be back'
i guess god is AI and jesus was a robot

[BADecker]

^^^ Are you calling the Satan the main character? I see you haven't read the Book.

But that's okay. I was just hoping that you would see (for your sake and benefit) that the science in the Bible bypasses any science that we have in this life outside of the Bible. At least Nassim Harameing is coming a bit closer to scientific reality.

[franky1]

the bible is just a book of stories.. it is not science
its a book of stories aimed to teach you morals via analogies of different characters lives created by story writers

secondly mentions of "jesus" have been edited and twisted many times over hundreds of years in different scriptures before ending up in the bible

thirdly the earliest scripture even mentioning at all of a character named jesus was a scripture that appeared 30 years after laters stories quoted death date of their character..
fourthly the first mention of the characters death story didnt appear for another 30ish years

people only talked about the character around campfires and within preachy teachings of morals long after the supposed character existed

the stories mutated over the years and different people added their own details to make the story more entertainy, moral compassy

the bible is not science. its sci-fi character generation over years from a patchwork of lots of different stories where scholars and priests then patch together different idea's and created a narrative hundreds of years after the stories began

the scholars and priests became a government and made laws and used stories to teach the morals of the laws and then to avoid them being stoned by a unhappy populous they hid away their involvement in law creation and instead blamed it on the mystical man

much like how modern congress does not blame itself but says "its the government"

[BADecker]

The Bible is a book of science because it explains the science of the universe. How does it explain this? The universe is a complex machine full of complex machines. How do we know? We know it because we take ALL of our inventions from examples that the universe shows. Further, our inventions are ALL made out of the inventions of the universe in one way or another.

What does this have to do with proving God? Take the example of a car company. Car companies make some pretty good machines. They are far from perfect. But they are really excellent for what they are.

If there isn't a wise, guiding mind behind everything done in a car company, the cars simply won't work... or the parts won't fit together.

Look at the universe, this machine of machines. It works together way better than a car company does. And you can't even break the physics of the universe. The best you can do is convert to a different form of physics, one that is already in existence. Even destruction operates according to the physics of the universe.

Machines have makers. And the religious definition of "God" fits the Maker Who made the universe.

By this simple correlation you can see that God exists. But your denial of Him is okay. He gives you the freedom to deny Him to some extent. Just don't deny Him for too long, or you will be locking yourself into denial of reality. Kinda bad for your health.

[Obulis]

Scientists can't prove the existence of God, they can only be aware of his existence, not to prove his existence with fallible human senses. In the consciousness of all there is that gap that need be filled, in your consciousness there is one God...

[franky1]

Scientists can't prove the existence of God, they can only be aware of his existence, not to prove his existence with fallible human senses. In the consciousness of all there is that gap that need be filled, in your consciousness there is one God...

they cannot prove "god" is a "he"(humanoid entity)

however the existance of what began everything is proven as the energy of plasma waves that created via cohesion all matter and became all things..
thus god is the energy of all things in the form of plasma waves of frequency

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the bible is not about science proof of the origins of all things. its a collection of campfire stories to program peoples minds in a certain judgemental/moral(you choose) way

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what if i told you the bible is not the literal science of everything, but has made attempts using childish metaphors to explain things in te way our ancestors would understand

lets put it this way
before 0AD greek scholars knew about the evolution of man from ancient cretins(cavemen) to human
they knew it was the evolution of the thyroid gland(apple shaped gland in throat)

so in later years when kids around campfires asked how did humans come to be. the science got mixed into metaphors and silly fictions to morph from the science knowledge of cretin evolution.. and turned into the 'first human eating a apple and gained wisdom and conscious freedom to seek knowledge'

also to note the word chistian comes from the old roman times post 0AD of christianus which also is related to the becoming of human from a cretin

yep the origins of christianity is actually based on the evolution from caveman to human.. its not based on humans just appearing in eden from nothing before them

this is where the bible messes things up with its edits and adaptations and campfire alterations over the centuries

lastly
in modern times if a child is born lacking a thyroid gland/thyroid function and has no medication to supplement the hormones. they would grow up as a devolved caveman like individual. thats science

[BADecker]

^^^ Cute campfire stories you have there. BTW, our thinking and emotions and consciousness are made of electrical and other waves, right?, most of which are in the human body and brain. So the fact of all kinds of energy waves in the aether, simply proves that God is Great, and exists with those waves. The greatest thinker scientists among us hasn't come close to being able to examine those aether waves because of their complexity. The greatest thinker scientist will tell you that we only know a tiny amount of what is there to be discovered.

Few scientists prove any piece of science that exists. Rather, they often simply listen to the consensus of those who have said that they have proven it. But no scientist has enough scientific proof for your campfire stories. The proof for the Bible, however, is the consensus of millions of people, several millions of whom witnessed the miracles of Moses, others who witnessed miracles of the prophets, and still others who witness the miracles of Jesus and His apostles.

The proof of the strength and truth of the Bible lies in the fact of how many Bibles are in print. When this is compared to other books, in addition to the statistical science that exists around the Nation of Ancient Israel, proof exists in statistical science. But if you don't accept the consensus, and don't work the statistical proofs yourself, you won't ever see the science.

Furthermore, look at what Jesus said when Jewish people were arguing about who Jesus was, John 6:41-59:

41At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”

43“Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ d Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

53Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

The important part is, “Stop grumbling among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."

[Vod]

The book of John (John 6:41-59) was written 80 years after Jesus died.   You have no foundation.

 

[Ravichnadra]

The concept of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam is indeed fascinating. These terms don't refer to biblical figures but rather to scientific hypotheses based on genetics.

Mitochondrial Eve is a scientific theory tracing back the matrilineal most recent common ancestor of all living humans. Similarly, Y-Chromosome Adam is the patrilineal most recent common ancestor. They lived thousands of years apart and weren't the only humans alive at their respective times.

These concepts don't necessarily prove the existence of a biblical God. They indicate common ancestry, which aligns with evolutionary theory. The scientific understanding of human genetics doesn't directly validate religious creation stories. Instead, it provides insights into our ancestral origins and evolutionary history.

Regarding your question about scientific proof of God's existence, science tends to deal with observable, testable phenomena. Proving or disproving the existence of a deity falls more within the realm of philosophy or theology, which use different methodologies than empirical science.

Opinions on this topic vary widely. Some see scientific gaps as potential places for God's intervention, while others perceive these gaps as areas awaiting further scientific exploration and explanation.

What's your perspective on this? Do you see scientific findings like Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam as evidence for a divine creator, or do you think they align more with our understanding of evolution?

[BADecker]

The book of John (John 6:41-59) was written 80 years after Jesus died.   You have no foundation.

 

What's the difference. It simply shows that John was a guy who lived a long and brain-healthy life... assuming that you are right about this. Assuming you are right, I would call it 80 years minus 3 days since Jesus arose from the dead.

The concept of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam is indeed fascinating. These terms don't refer to biblical figures but rather to scientific hypotheses based on genetics.

Mitochondrial Eve is a scientific theory tracing back the matrilineal most recent common ancestor of all living humans. Similarly, Y-Chromosome Adam is the patrilineal most recent common ancestor. They lived thousands of years apart and weren't the only humans alive at their respective times.

These concepts don't necessarily prove the existence of a biblical God. They indicate common ancestry, which aligns with evolutionary theory. The scientific understanding of human genetics doesn't directly validate religious creation stories. Instead, it provides insights into our ancestral origins and evolutionary history.

Regarding your question about scientific proof of God's existence, science tends to deal with observable, testable phenomena. Proving or disproving the existence of a deity falls more within the realm of philosophy or theology, which use different methodologies than empirical science.

Opinions on this topic vary widely. Some see scientific gaps as potential places for God's intervention, while others perceive these gaps as areas awaiting further scientific exploration and explanation.

What's your perspective on this? Do you see scientific findings like Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam as evidence for a divine creator, or do you think they align more with our understanding of evolution?

Anybody who accepts evolution hasn't looked at evolution theory very deeply.

All evolution theory is based on the idea of random mutations. This idea completely contradicts the law of cause-and-effect. Cause and effect says that there is no random.

The point is that 'random mutations' in evolution are simply mutations that we don't know about. But since we don't know about them, how can we know that evolution happened this way, or that it even happened?

So, the basic premise for evolution is a lie.

One other point is, science is finally recognizing that the so-called random mutations were not random, after all. But they still haven't been able to figure out what the exact mutation process was, to say nothing about proving it. If they do, will they be able to produce the next generation in the line of evolution of people? Probably it will take way too long, and Jesus will return first, and show them about God.

[franky1]

random is never random.. its a buzzword to mean so many variables are involved in the cause, that its super difficult to predict the effect

EG
random evolution of thyroid gland. cavemen never could have predicted it would result in certain clans to get smarter and start winning more fights eventually killing off the primitive lineages where the stronger generations of evolution survive.

and yes mutations happen all the time.. and when its time for you to finally have sex. if you manage to make someone pregnant and want to keep your offspring. you will learn that your offspring is not 100% identical to you

also your body is climatized to your locality.. EG lets say northern europe.. imagine you migrate to california/medrid where its "always sunny"
you will forever sweat in the heat of 22^oc+, but your children will EASILY adapt and think 24^oc is an average day

mutation is not just at birth. people can change and adapt at certain stages of life which can then be passed down

welcome to real science and nature, survival of the fittest.. its been going on long long long before your beloved sci-fi character "jesus"

[BADecker]

You stated well, regarding random. Just about the same thing that I had said. To carry it a bit further, since random is so complex that we can't tell which or what, how do we know that random even has anything to do with it? So, the evolution religion is simply another religion, with the religious leaders (scientists and those who control them) trying to make money and make a name for themselves. Sure, they don't call themselves priests. That word is for other religions. The evolution religion is better. Call them scientists.

People live in caves all over the world. You can find people who look like the evolution kind of cave people, today, if you look for it. Genetics is complex. People who live in caves don't usually go around trying to predict what is happening with their environment and genetics. And certainly scientists can't do that. Mostly what they have is talk.

Nobody is saying that mutations don't happen. What is being said is that Evolution Theory essentially states that the kind of evolution theorized by it, is something that doesn't have any basis in fact... based on the idea of random mutations. All it is, is a form of religion for certain groups of people (scientists) who don't want to accept other religions.

We could state all kinds of facts of science till the sun goes down. But when you consider two things:
1. epigenetics;
2. placebo effect;
... you see that all of genetics and so-called evolution is in the hands of anybody who wants to develop his ability to use them. Things that exist are things that God set in place, to give peple the opportunity to develop themselves into whatever they want.

God did this through Jesus - the death and resurrection of Jesus - so that now we can be children of God... or not, through unbelief. It's personal epigenetics. This is why we can find mutations doing things... because people (mostly evolution scientists) use epigenetics and placebo effect to make mutations to be real. But look at how difficult it is for them. Thousands of years of the idea of evolution, and all they have so far is a few random mutations, without any evolution fact. Without this kind of stupidity, people would be perfect, because in nature there isn't any evolution of the kind proposed in Evolution Theory. In nature without stupid people stupidly using epigenetics and placebo effect, there is only perfection.