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December 06, 2019, 01:52:02 PM
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December 06, 2019, 09:12:37 PM
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Go to science. Put cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity together, and try to get our universe without God.

Bonus: All our machines come from machinery operations in the universe. None of the machines we make is ever made from machinery operations from outside the universe. The universe is a machine. Machines have makers.

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And Gods have makers who also have makers, ad infinitum.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
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December 06, 2019, 09:23:37 PM
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Go to science. Put cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity together, and try to get our universe without God.

Bonus: All our machines come from machinery operations in the universe. None of the machines we make is ever made from machinery operations from outside the universe. The universe is a machine. Machines have makers.

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And Gods have makers who also have makers, ad infinitum.

How do you know that ALL gods have makers? You don't. You operate by universe physics, and can't really determine what physics would be like outside of the universe.

God is outside the universe as well as within it. However, when He made the universe, He was outside of it. Do you have evidence of what things outside the universe are like? Perhaps things out there have always existed... without beginning or end.

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December 08, 2019, 03:18:57 AM
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Go to science. Put cause-and-effect, entropy, and complexity together, and try to get our universe without God.

Bonus: All our machines come from machinery operations in the universe. None of the machines we make is ever made from machinery operations from outside the universe. The universe is a machine. Machines have makers.

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And Gods have makers who also have makers, ad infinitum.

How do you know that ALL gods have makers? You don't. You operate by universe physics, and can't really determine what physics would be like outside of the universe.

God is outside the universe as well as within it. However, when He made the universe, He was outside of it. Do you have evidence of what things outside the universe are like? Perhaps things out there have always existed... without beginning or end.

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I don't.  I don't believe there is such a thing.

If anything has a maker, the maker must have a maker as well.  Just following your watchmaker argument.

BTW, how do you know our universe is a machine?  Show me the plans for it.

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
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December 08, 2019, 08:09:46 AM
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No one can prove that God exists. I mean a scientific explanation!
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December 08, 2019, 10:34:10 AM
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No one can prove that God exists. I mean a scientific explanation!

We never proven a single thing to be true with absolute certitude in the whole history of mankind.

Need to be a bit humble with what we think we know Smiley





Said the wisest man of athen.


If by "proof" you mean formal proof, all you can prove is conformity of a statement with a set of axioms, but you can never prove the axioms are true. If you follow liebniz concept of sufficient reason that require To prove something true as Well as that it cannot be otherwise and the solution is the best possible, you can never prove this using a formal proof system, as godel theorem shows.

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December 08, 2019, 11:23:42 AM
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No one can prove that God exists. I mean a scientific explanation!

How can you explain Love (absolute, not just to a certain person) by science? How can you prove goodness, honesty, justice and all the good that exists? it just exists.

It is wrong to compare science and esotericism (religion, faith, and everything related to it). They all exist in parallel. The brain - thinks and analyzes, the soul - feels and understands (and this is closer to the truth than in science).

In addition, we must not forget that science cannot prove everything, this is just another way of understanding the world.
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December 09, 2019, 02:51:08 AM
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Religion, the tool that has been used to enslave man for thousands of years.
Do's and Don't to keep man in line, the law govt, Holy book from different religions, promises of freewill that we never have, restrictions in the name of religions, mind control, brain washing, and yet we are still dammed.
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December 09, 2019, 10:09:30 PM
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Religion, the tool that has been used to enslave man for thousands of years.
Do's and Don't to keep man in line, the law govt, Holy book from different religions, promises of freewill that we never have, restrictions in the name of religions, mind control, brain washing, and yet we are still dammed.

Because man is too stupid on his own to realize that he is destroying himself when he doesn't obey the do's and don't's.

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December 11, 2019, 06:59:01 AM
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I think this is just a massive Telephone Game. The original story gets ridiculously twisted as the message is passed.
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December 11, 2019, 12:30:38 PM
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I think this is just a massive Telephone Game. The original story gets ridiculously twisted as the message is passed.

What does that^^ mean?

We look at records from the past - like the Dead Sea Scrolls, up to 2,400 years old - to see that the message has not changed.

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