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June 21, 2018, 01:05:54 AM
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science has not proven this.
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June 21, 2018, 01:18:19 AM
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If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

40+ authors (aka goat herders) wrote it on goat skins over the course of 2500 years.
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June 21, 2018, 02:44:55 AM
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science has not proven this.

Scientists might not have talked about proving the existence of God, but they have proven Him in the things that they do:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

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June 21, 2018, 02:46:47 AM
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If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

40+ authors (aka goat herders) wrote it on goat skins over the course of 2500 years.

They weren't all goat herders. Many of them were well educated. This is evident by the fact that only a few people had the knowledge of writing during much of the Bible times.

God told them what to write, Spirit to spirit.

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June 21, 2018, 02:55:23 AM
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If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

40+ authors (aka goat herders) wrote it on goat skins over the course of 2500 years.

Interesting fact about the bible... they didn't start writing it until 95AD.

So for four to five generations, no one wrote a thing about your god.  Then suddenly, everyone remembered.

How stupid do you have to be to believe this stuff?  Sad

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June 21, 2018, 01:56:50 PM
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If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

40+ authors (aka goat herders) wrote it on goat skins over the course of 2500 years.

Interesting fact about the bible... they didn't start writing it until 95AD.

So for four to five generations, no one wrote a thing about your god.  Then suddenly, everyone remembered.

How stupid do you have to be to believe this stuff?  Sad

The New testament was written decades/centuries after the Son of God let himself to be crucified.  The Old Testament manuscripts were written over the course of 2500+ years.  Eventually they were compiled into the "Bible" manuscript in 325 AD (First Council of Nicaea).

The same thing with Quran.  It was compiled decades after Muhammad died. Zayd ibn Thabit collected all the oral stories and put it into a manuscript.

All written on animal skins (goats, lamb) with ink made out of galls of oak trees or gum arabic.

Religious people have no idea what they believe in.
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June 21, 2018, 02:38:44 PM
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1. Unable to show why or how you know everything is designed

2. Unable to demonstrate that nothing is truly random or that everything has a cause. Argument contradicts itself because god would also need a cause. Argument does not show/indicate that the cause of the universe is a god.

3. ''Except that cause and effect are upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. And this means that everything is pre-programmed to exist the way it does.'' Newtons Law DOES NOT say that everything has a cause. ''For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.'' Note how it says ''for every action'' and not ''everything has a cause''.

4. ''The universe system is extremely complex, via C&E. Yet we don't see anything that can make such complexity. We don't really see anything that is more complex being made by something less complex without greater loss in some other way to the less complex system.''  Complex is a vague word by itself. Complex in what sense? Brains, like many other complex things, are not irreducible complex. They're made up of simpler components combined according to a simple set of rules. If you have a process that applies (relatively) simple rules to (relatively) simple components in an iterative fashion, you can end up creating something much more complex than you can understand as a whole.


As always, very easy to dismantle your ''arguments''
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June 21, 2018, 02:43:32 PM
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The thing in our universe that beyond our explanation. Example the biggest structure in our universe that is break the law of physics.
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June 21, 2018, 03:05:46 PM
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On the off chance that he had logical verification then for what reason did the writer not compose a logical paper? He could have subjected his hypothesis to a similar associate audit that has prompted other logical leaps forward. Rather he distributed it in his blog. Why? Since you should be experimentally unskilled to not see the issues with these counter-hypotheses. Not that life is surely knew. There are still some enormous inquiries like, "where did life originate from"?

Today all cutting edge science depends on the hypothesis of advancement. That incorporates current prescription, our comprehension of DNA, and so forth. It has been more than a long time since Darwin's hypothesis. In that time there has not been any finding that repudiates it. You will find that the solutions to your illustrations are known and comprehended to not repudiate advancement

The repudiation of Darwin lies in the fact that the only thing that upholds Darwin is talk. Everything that Darwin suggests is upheld by things other than what Darwin says, better than the way Darwin explains. The only reason why Darwin is popular is that some people wish that the truth was like Darwin says. But it isn't.

The proof for the existence of God lies in the hearts of everyone. This proof might not be scientific proof, but it exists simply in the fact that people can consider the idea of the existence of God or not. This, alone, repudiates Darwin.

Essentially the resistance to the God-proof in all hearts, is simply rebellion against god.

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June 21, 2018, 03:29:44 PM
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If God don't exist then who wrote a Bible?!!!

40+ authors (aka goat herders) wrote it on goat skins over the course of 2500 years.

Interesting fact about the bible... they didn't start writing it until 95AD.

So for four to five generations, no one wrote a thing about your god.  Then suddenly, everyone remembered.

How stupid do you have to be to believe this stuff?  Sad

The New testament was written decades/centuries after the Son of God let himself to be crucified.  The Old Testament manuscripts were written over the course of 2500+ years.  Eventually they were compiled into the "Bible" manuscript in 325 AD (First Council of Nicaea).

The same thing with Quran.  It was compiled decades after Muhammad died. Zayd ibn Thabit collected all the oral stories and put it into a manuscript.

All written on animal skins (goats, lamb) with ink made out of galls of oak trees or gum arabic.

Religious people have no idea what they believe in.

Actually, the O.T. was written in the period starting about 1,500 B.C., up to about slightly before 400 B.C.  It was compiled as the Jewish canon (if you will) during the times of additions to it. Writings following about 400 B.C. - and some before not included in the canon - up until the time of Christ were not considered to be canonical by the Jews, but rather, were good, moral stories.

The actual writing of the books of the N.T. started some time after the death and resurrection of Christ... but not long after, and culminated with the writing of the Revelation around 96 A.D.

Because there were many people writing "stuff" and claiming it to be the words of God, scholars at the Council of Nicea (about 325 A.D.) examined, minutely, everything about all the writings they had, both from before the time of Christ, and after. They compiled the Bible from the writings that agreed with the Jewish canonical writings, and that did not disagree with the writings of the Gospels and St. Paul's letters.

It is totally possible, although unlikely, that there might be other early writings that could have been included in the Bible compilation, but weren't, because they were not presented at the Council of Nicea. However, such other writings are not necessary, since the whole Bible is written for the saving of people's souls from the great destruction and dissolution of this earth and universe... which will include the dissolution of the souls of people... and the current Bible is sufficient for such salvation.

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June 21, 2018, 03:54:29 PM
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1. Unable to show why or how you know everything is designed - Fits the definition and description of things that are/have-been designed.

2. Unable to demonstrate that nothing is truly random or that everything has a cause. - Upheld by science because of the vast numbers of caused things, and the fact that no non-caused thing has ever been found. Scientific probability says that pure random does not exist. Argument contradicts itself because god would also need a cause. - The fact of God being God, shows that He is different. If He weren't, He would not be God. Because God is different, we don't know if God has needs or not. Argument does not show/indicate that the cause of the universe is a god. - Machines have makers.

3. ''Except that cause and effect are upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. And this means that everything is pre-programmed to exist the way it does.'' Newtons Law DOES NOT say that everything has a cause. ''For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.'' Note how it says ''for every action'' and not ''everything has a cause''. - So what? Find us an action that was not caused. This point essentially has to do with #2.

4. ''The universe system is extremely complex, via C&E. Yet we don't see anything that can make such complexity. We don't really see anything that is more complex being made by something less complex without greater loss in some other way to the less complex system.''  Complex is a vague word by itself. Complex in what sense? - So you are starting to understand how complex complexity really is, right? Brains, like many other complex things, are not irreducible complex. They're made up of simpler components combined according to a simple set of rules. If you have a process that applies (relatively) simple rules to (relatively) simple components in an iterative fashion, you can end up creating something much more complex than you can understand as a whole. - Yet the causing of complexity made up from simpler parts has its making in whatever started C&E. We have no certifiable example of anything having been set in place by something that was less complex, without greater complexity somewhere "up-line" C&E-wise  doing the C&E from simpler to greater complexity. This shows that the earlier greater complexity is even more complex than thought, because it was able to C&E greater complexity through lesser complexity, rather than simply reducing the complexity of itself to get the end complexity.


As always, very easy to dismantle your ''arguments''


As usual, you haven't begun to even consider most of what you say.

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June 21, 2018, 05:24:27 PM
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There are documentaries that God have done that science cannot explain. Smiley
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June 21, 2018, 06:29:20 PM
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If we are designed by him and in his image why did he have to kill all of us in a flood? Oh yeah, he’s a deranged psychopath that kills his children if they misbehave.

So, are you going to answer this question nutcracker or will you just ignore it like all of the other questions you have no good answer to.

Why is your god such a cruel asshole? And if he hates us so much, why create us in the first place? Did he just want a species to torture for sport?

The evidence of your own words shows that you are too ignorant to understand:
1. God's love, or;
2. The explanations that have been posted throughout this thread already.

So, it would be a complete waste of time to answer again.

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You are a complete nutter.

“Gods love” is the reason god is such a cruel asshole?

“Gods love” is the reason he hates us so he created us just to have something to hate?

“Gods love” is the reason he just wanted to create a species to torture for sport?

There are no explanations in this thread showing why god needs to be a cruel asshole. You just have no reasonable answer for it.

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June 21, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
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So, are you going to answer this question nutcracker or will you just ignore it like all of the other questions you have no good answer to.

Why is your god such a cruel asshole? And if he hates us so much, why create us in the first place? Did he just want a species to torture for sport?

The evidence of your own words shows that you are too ignorant to understand:
1. God's love, or;
2. The explanations that have been posted throughout this thread already.

So, it would be a complete waste of time to answer again.

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You are a complete nutter.

“Gods love” is the reason god is such a cruel asshole?

“Gods love” is the reason he hates us so he created us just to have something to hate?

“Gods love” is the reason he just wanted to create a species to torture for sport?

There are no explanations in this thread showing why god needs to be a cruel asshole. You just have no reasonable answer for it.

God isn't a cruel asshole. God is love. After all, you can't even take it when I contradict you a little. But God loves you so much that He lets you contradict Him all over the place, with the out-of-love hopes that you will be saved rather than destroy yourself. And He certainly doesn't destroy as you so deserve, since He is able to easily do that.

Stop being so dense. Wake up and change before it is too late for you.

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June 22, 2018, 08:13:19 AM
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1. Unable to show why or how you know everything is designed - Fits the definition and description of things that are/have-been designed.

2. Unable to demonstrate that nothing is truly random or that everything has a cause. - Upheld by science because of the vast numbers of caused things, and the fact that no non-caused thing has ever been found. Scientific probability says that pure random does not exist. Argument contradicts itself because god would also need a cause. - The fact of God being God, shows that He is different. If He weren't, He would not be God. Because God is different, we don't know if God has needs or not. Argument does not show/indicate that the cause of the universe is a god. - Machines have makers.

3. ''Except that cause and effect are upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. And this means that everything is pre-programmed to exist the way it does.'' Newtons Law DOES NOT say that everything has a cause. ''For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.'' Note how it says ''for every action'' and not ''everything has a cause''. - So what? Find us an action that was not caused. This point essentially has to do with #2.

4. ''The universe system is extremely complex, via C&E. Yet we don't see anything that can make such complexity. We don't really see anything that is more complex being made by something less complex without greater loss in some other way to the less complex system.''  Complex is a vague word by itself. Complex in what sense? - So you are starting to understand how complex complexity really is, right? Brains, like many other complex things, are not irreducible complex. They're made up of simpler components combined according to a simple set of rules. If you have a process that applies (relatively) simple rules to (relatively) simple components in an iterative fashion, you can end up creating something much more complex than you can understand as a whole. - Yet the causing of complexity made up from simpler parts has its making in whatever started C&E. We have no certifiable example of anything having been set in place by something that was less complex, without greater complexity somewhere "up-line" C&E-wise  doing the C&E from simpler to greater complexity. This shows that the earlier greater complexity is even more complex than thought, because it was able to C&E greater complexity through lesser complexity, rather than simply reducing the complexity of itself to get the end complexity.


As always, very easy to dismantle your ''arguments''


As usual, you haven't begun to even consider most of what you say.

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Let me try with simple words and sentences, maybe that way it's easier for you. This is what you have as ''evidence'':

Cause and effect, complexity and entropy. You want to show that the universe had a beginning, fine by me, you also want to show that everything has a cause, let's say that's right, then you also want to show that the universe is really complex so whatever made the universe has to be complex too. Even if I agree with these arguments, the only thing you are showing is that the universe had a cause that has to be complex. There is nothing else in your argument that indicates the creator of the universe is Yahweh. There is nothing that indicates anything really besides what I said. We don't know if something can even exist outside the universe, I could say giant elephants with superpowers live outside the universe and you wouldn't be able to prove me wrong.

Do you understand the flaws in your argument? There is nothing in your argument that rules out the possibility of different creators working together for example, also nothing in your argument indicates that it has to be an all knowing all powerful god (Yahweh)

Seems like your argument is trash after all, hopefully you understand it this time.
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June 23, 2018, 04:06:53 AM
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So, are you going to answer this question nutcracker or will you just ignore it like all of the other questions you have no good answer to.

Why is your god such a cruel asshole? And if he hates us so much, why create us in the first place? Did he just want a species to torture for sport?

The evidence of your own words shows that you are too ignorant to understand:
1. God's love, or;
2. The explanations that have been posted throughout this thread already.

So, it would be a complete waste of time to answer again.

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You are a complete nutter.

“Gods love” is the reason god is such a cruel asshole?

“Gods love” is the reason he hates us so he created us just to have something to hate?

“Gods love” is the reason he just wanted to create a species to torture for sport?

There are no explanations in this thread showing why god needs to be a cruel asshole. You just have no reasonable answer for it.

God isn't a cruel asshole. God is love. After all, you can't even take it when I contradict you a little. But God loves you so much that He lets you contradict Him all over the place, with the out-of-love hopes that you will be saved rather than destroy yourself. And He certainly doesn't destroy as you so deserve, since He is able to easily do that.

Stop being so dense. Wake up and change before it is too late for you.

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She can’t allow or disallow it because god is a figment of your imagination. She can’t destroy me because she only lives in the mind of you, David Koresh, and millions of other nutters.

She has turned someone into rock salt, caused a flood that killed almost everyone, killed children, killed women, created plagues that terrorized her creations and generally shown contempt for something she created.

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June 23, 2018, 04:09:34 AM
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She can’t allow or disallow it because god is a figment of your imagination. She can’t destroy me because she only lives in the mind of you, David Koresh, and millions of other nutters.

She has turned someone into rock salt, caused a flood that killed almost everyone, killed children, killed women, created plagues that terrorized her creations and generally shown contempt for something she created.

I never understood why a god would need to have a gender.  I assume it was written that way because men were dominate at the time.

If a god were to have a gender, it would probably have to be male, considering all the violence and controlling it does...

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June 23, 2018, 04:12:51 AM
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But God loves you so much that He lets you contradict Him all over the place, with the out-of-love hopes that you will be saved rather than destroy yourself. And He certainly doesn't destroy as you so deserve, since He is able to easily do that.

"He" loves you so much he created your soul and gave you intelligence just so he could torture you for all time for using it. 

All I see in this thread is dense brainwashed fools.  Where is the evidence?   Roll Eyes

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June 23, 2018, 08:15:04 AM
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She can’t allow or disallow it because god is a figment of your imagination. She can’t destroy me because she only lives in the mind of you, David Koresh, and millions of other nutters.

She has turned someone into rock salt, caused a flood that killed almost everyone, killed children, killed women, created plagues that terrorized her creations and generally shown contempt for something she created.

I never understood why a god would need to have a gender.  I assume it was written that way because men were dominate at the time.

If a god were to have a gender, it would probably have to be male, considering all the violence and controlling it does...

Yeah, it's funny how religious people don't realize how stupid it is to give a god a gender or to think that an all knowing powerful bla bla god would need or want our praising. Why would he even care about that?
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June 23, 2018, 08:23:36 AM
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The usual garbage full of fallacies and misinformation...

Easy Bro! Go through the post first before conclusion.
Though I never even go throught it lol
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