Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

There are tons of other things, notably the age of the earth and universe. You can estimate the age of earth/universe to be around 6-10k years old based on the bible, science has proven that the age of the earth and specially the universe is far faaaar older.

All these scientifically measured things are guestimations that have no true, known basis in fact.

Maybe, don't care too much about those. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg41361504#msg41361504  Here where I destroyed and debunked your argument, that's the real thread, you didn't respond, you don't have much else to say, do you?   Rip badecker.

So, what are you really trying to say? That General Motors or Ford is not a single entity? Or that the people working therein are not entities?

Even if God is made up of multiple entities (scientifically speaking), they aren't God until they act as One. The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe. If they were not One, they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together. But we do not find such seamlessness anywhere in the universe. One God; God is One.

How in the world backward are you in your thinking? If there are 5 people designing and making pistons for the same cylinder of a car engine, the diameter of the pistons must fit the cylinder or the engine won't work. To make the right size, they have to work together as one regarding their piston making.

''The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe.'' Prove it, how did you calculate ''how'' complex the universe is? And how do you determine whether they need to act ''as one'' in order to create it.

''they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together.'' You are saying that like they can't talk to each other, I can build a house with other 10 people just fine, we communicate with each other, we have ideas and we can work together, in the end we are still 11 people, all different, not ''one''.

Also, the definition of god is not ''different entities working together as one'' so you can't really use that one either.

You are fried badecker, you are not even trying...

[Astargath]

After I took AP Bio, I keep wondering how people believe that all this order in our universe was created out of coincidence, how everything perfectly fits together, how every molecule of protein is needed, or something terrible would happen to us if it were missing.
Honestly, God's helped me a lot, and there's no way that I'd ever turn my back to what he's helped me through, or what he's done for me.

Just the fact that you have a soul, and that you're not a robot.

Millions of our cells die all the time, your argument is pathetic. What does it mean when you say ''coincidence''? You simply don't understand that concept. ''Just the fact that you have a soul'' Having a soul is now a fact? Science proved souls?

[Vod]

Honestly, God's helped me a lot, and there's no way that I'd ever turn my back to what he's helped me through, or what he's done for me.

God doesn't exist, so how could he have helped you?

You are either gullible, or stupid.  :/

[BADecker]

''The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe.'' Prove it, how did you calculate ''how'' complex the universe is? And how do you determine whether they need to act ''as one'' in order to create it.

LOL! You are so silly. It's like you want me to prove something to you that you wouldn't accept as proof even when I DID prove it to you. Rather, go to the places that the proofs exist... all the science researchers around the world. If you talk to one while he is at the bar on his night off with a load of drinks inside him, you just might get him to say that the universe is not complex. But in that case, you could get him to say just about anything else, as well.

''they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together.'' You are saying that like they can't talk to each other, I can build a house with other 10 people just fine, we communicate with each other, we have ideas and we can work together, in the end we are still 11 people, all different, not ''one''.

The difference is the universe. We don't understand anything outside of the universe. So, if God is more than one, with regard to the universe, he is still One. And it is the universe that we understand, not things outside it.

It would be like saying that we didn't know what the 10 people building the house were like at all. But with regard to the house, they worked as one so that the house fit together perfectly. And, that is all we know about them. One built the house, by the looks of the way the house fit together.

Also, the definition of god is not ''different entities working together as one'' so you can't really use that one either.

You got it. God is One. That's what I have been trying to get across to you all along. Since you know it, why all the blabber?

You are fried badecker, you are not even trying...

Since I am way smarter than you, if I am fried, you are the ash of a crispy critter.

 

[BADecker]

After I took AP Bio, I keep wondering how people believe that all this order in our universe was created out of coincidence, how everything perfectly fits together, how every molecule of protein is needed, or something terrible would happen to us if it were missing.
Honestly, God's helped me a lot, and there's no way that I'd ever turn my back to what he's helped me through, or what he's done for me.

Just the fact that you have a soul, and that you're not a robot.

Millions of our cells die all the time, your argument is pathetic. What does it mean when you say ''coincidence''? You simply don't understand that concept. ''Just the fact that you have a soul'' Having a soul is now a fact? Science proved souls?

You are so silly. The thing that you are saying is that millions of cells are alive. If they die, they must have been alive to be able to die.

kamrul786 wasn't talking about death. He/she was talking about life, and you agreed. The fact that life can arise in the complexity that it has, and then turn around and die only to have more life arise later, is even more complex than life alone.

Ash of a crispy critter 

[Astargath]

''The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe.'' Prove it, how did you calculate ''how'' complex the universe is? And how do you determine whether they need to act ''as one'' in order to create it.

LOL! You are so silly. It's like you want me to prove something to you that you wouldn't accept as proof even when I DID prove it to you. Rather, go to the places that the proofs exist... all the science researchers around the world. If you talk to one while he is at the bar on his night off with a load of drinks inside him, you just might get him to say that the universe is not complex. But in that case, you could get him to say just about anything else, as well.

''they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together.'' You are saying that like they can't talk to each other, I can build a house with other 10 people just fine, we communicate with each other, we have ideas and we can work together, in the end we are still 11 people, all different, not ''one''.

The difference is the universe. We don't understand anything outside of the universe. So, if God is more than one, with regard to the universe, he is still One. And it is the universe that we understand, not things outside it.

It would be like saying that we didn't know what the 10 people building the house were like at all. But with regard to the house, they worked as one so that the house fit together perfectly. And, that is all we know about them. One built the house, by the looks of the way the house fit together.

Also, the definition of god is not ''different entities working together as one'' so you can't really use that one either.

You got it. God is One. That's what I have been trying to get across to you all along. Since you know it, why all the blabber?

You are fried badecker, you are not even trying...

Since I am way smarter than you, if I am fried, you are the ash of a crispy critter.

 

Your argument has become, they are working as one, therefore they must be considered one, pathetic. No badecker, your argument shows nothing about the creator of the universe. You literally said we know nothing about what's outside of the universe, we don't even if something can exist outside the universe, how can you claim your god did it then?

Nothing rules out the possibility, as I said, of multiple gods doing it, you keep using a childish argument with no basis, If they worked together they must be one, lmao, no they don't.

It's a fucking simple concept and you are extremely delusional. The fact is that as you again said, we don't know what can be outside the universe, your argument offers no answer to that either. You claim it's a god, I claim it's an alien race, how do you know which one it is?

[Fatiqu]

Of course if god doesn't exists where are u we from?  Who created us  how  can u breath ? Miracle ? No such a miracle in this world  except from god  can  do everything .. 
Lol IDK there such a people believe that god doesn't exists ...!!!

[BADecker]

LOL! You are so silly. It's like you want me to prove something to you that you wouldn't accept as proof even when I DID prove it to you. Rather, go to the places that the proofs exist... all the science researchers around the world. If you talk to one while he is at the bar on his night off with a load of drinks inside him, you just might get him to say that the universe is not complex. But in that case, you could get him to say just about anything else, as well.

Since I am way smarter than you, if I am fried, you are the ash of a crispy critter.

 

Your argument has become, they are working as one, therefore they must be considered one, pathetic. No badecker, your argument shows nothing about the creator of the universe. You literally said we know nothing about what's outside of the universe, we don't even if something can exist outside the universe, how can you claim your god did it then?

Nothing rules out the possibility, as I said, of multiple gods doing it, you keep using a childish argument with no basis, If they worked together they must be one, lmao, no they don't.

It's a fucking simple concept and you are extremely delusional. The fact is that as you again said, we don't know what can be outside the universe, your argument offers no answer to that either. You claim it's a god, I claim it's an alien race, how do you know which one it is?

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

[Astargath]

''The complexity of the universe is so great that they have to act as One to make the universe.'' Prove it, how did you calculate ''how'' complex the universe is? And how do you determine whether they need to act ''as one'' in order to create it.

LOL! You are so silly. It's like you want me to prove something to you that you wouldn't accept as proof even when I DID prove it to you. Rather, go to the places that the proofs exist... all the science researchers around the world. If you talk to one while he is at the bar on his night off with a load of drinks inside him, you just might get him to say that the universe is not complex. But in that case, you could get him to say just about anything else, as well.

''they would be making different forms of physics that would not seamlessly work together.'' You are saying that like they can't talk to each other, I can build a house with other 10 people just fine, we communicate with each other, we have ideas and we can work together, in the end we are still 11 people, all different, not ''one''.

The difference is the universe. We don't understand anything outside of the universe. So, if God is more than one, with regard to the universe, he is still One. And it is the universe that we understand, not things outside it.

It would be like saying that we didn't know what the 10 people building the house were like at all. But with regard to the house, they worked as one so that the house fit together perfectly. And, that is all we know about them. One built the house, by the looks of the way the house fit together.

Also, the definition of god is not ''different entities working together as one'' so you can't really use that one either.

You got it. God is One. That's what I have been trying to get across to you all along. Since you know it, why all the blabber?

You are fried badecker, you are not even trying...

Since I am way smarter than you, if I am fried, you are the ash of a crispy critter.

 

Your argument has become, they are working as one, therefore they must be considered one, pathetic. No badecker, your argument shows nothing about the creator of the universe. You literally said we know nothing about what's outside of the universe, we don't even if something can exist outside the universe, how can you claim your god did it then?

Nothing rules out the possibility, as I said, of multiple gods doing it, you keep using a childish argument with no basis, If they worked together they must be one, lmao, no they don't.

It's a fucking simple concept and you are extremely delusional. The fact is that as you again said, we don't know what can be outside the universe, your argument offers no answer to that either. You claim it's a god, I claim it's an alien race, how do you know which one it is?

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

[BADecker]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

[Namyri]

This discussion keeps rolling but there is actually no proof, the only person you can prove that god exists is yourself. That is the answer.

[Astargath]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious.

[QuestionAuthority]

I found this authentic picture of god creating the universe.

The picture was drawn on papyrus and found under a huge pile of camel shit inside a cave under Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi house (in between the rocket launchers and the Al-Qaeda collectible trading cards).

[Squishy01]

I am a Catholic, but I am not at all religious. However, I believe that you can't really scientifically prove that God exists as that is the whole point of religion, to trust your faith.

[BADecker]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious.

You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God. You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity, as well.

[BADecker]

I found this authentic picture of god creating the universe.

The picture was drawn on papyrus and found under a huge pile of camel shit inside a cave under Abū Bakr al-Baghdadi house (in between the rocket launchers and the Al-Qaeda collectible trading cards).

In the same way that a person cannot view the depth and scope of the macrocosm and microcosm, a person cannot view God.

Roger Ver said (at Anarchapulco 4) that if a person picks on you, personally, he is acting like a second-grade-child. It is only after a person gets some knowledge that he starts to see how to use that knowledge.

How much more childish and simplistic is he if he picks on God?!

[Joshgod]

This really amazes me.  it also make my mind at rest because science is beginning to accept that God lives

[BADecker]

This really amazes me.  it also make my mind at rest because science is beginning to accept that God lives

Here is a link to a Forbes article where the person is trying to be an apologist for the possibility of earth and life on it, without the need for God. The author tries to show that things absolutely could come into being by themselves, without God. But when you look at the whole article from a summary standpoint, it essentially destroys itself.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/01/20/can-science-prove-the-existence-of-god/#46df5c555ada

[Tres_row]

Always use critical thinking while reading such stuff. I can't see any real proofs or at least sources of info

[Astargath]

As I said, because of the complexity of the physics of the universe, even if there were multiple entities who together created the universe, they still would need to work as One, or the universe wouldn't work. The entities would not be the God of the universe. They might be gods or lords in the sense of having some strength or control, but they would not and could not be the God of the universe, simply because of the complexity we see in all things. God is One.

The universe is complex indeed but nothing in your argument proves that it is so complex that if different beings created they would have to be one and not many. You are just making that up right now. They just need to work together, they don't need to be one, a whole alien race could have made our universe and nothing in your argument can prevent me from saying that. Can you prove an alien race didn't create our universe? It fits because the universe is really complex so it had to be made by a few beings, only 1 wouldn't be enough to create this complexity. Alien race created the universe simply because the complexity is too much and one single being wouldn't be able to do it.

The proof is in the car corporations.

An alien race? Now you are grasping at figments.  

Yes, entropy shows the universe had a beginning, cause and effect is in everything and complexity shows the universe is too complex, an advanced alien race outside the universe must have created it, the universe is too complex only for 1 being to create it. It's obvious.

You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God. You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity, as well.

You are trying to prove god here yet you give him characteristics. How do you know ''You underestimate, almost to infinity, the knowledge, understanding, wisdom and strength of God'' ?

''You underestimate the complexity of the universe almost to infinity'' How did you figure that out and even if it's close to infinity, how does that prove that it wasn't created by multiple gods or entities?