Scientific proof that God exists?

[bl4kjaguar]

Hi username18333,

Nihilism stands against life, therefore it is not suitable as a value. Dale Wilkerson would agree with me; at least, I have not heard him agree with YOU!

Nevertheless, from time to time the values we inherit are deemed no longer suitable and the continued enforcement of them no longer stands in the service of life.

Nihilism is not in the service of life.

The writer Roget equates “license” with “anarchy, interregnum, mob rule, mob law, lynch law, nihilism, reign of violence”, in other words, the acts of the Canaanites

[Astargath]

This thread is now full f the shittiest explanations for the existance of God, no scientific proof whatsoever

There is no proof that there are constellations. The groupings of stars that we call constellations can be grouped by anybody in any way that they want. Stars in many (most) of the constellations are not near enough to each other to suggest that they should be grouped together.

In fact, there is little proof that stars exist at all. You have heard of dark matter. A bunch of scientists made up a bunch of stories and a bunch of math regarding what stars and dark matter are. Yet nobody has been close enough to any star - even the sun - to say for sure what it is. And nobody has even sent space vehicles close enough to any star other than the sun, to even SUGGEST what they ACTUALLY are.

Perhaps the ancients were right. Perhaps dark matter is the blanket with the pinholes. Perhaps the light coming through the pinholes is the light from Heaven (whatever that is).

The star wobble that we see, that we interpret as planets moving around some of the stars, might simply be some kind of space/aether aberration that hasn't been identified yet... at least not to the public.

Prove it, one way or the other.

You just went full retard, never go full retard. Like are you seriously questioning if the sun exists of if there are other stars? Are you just a troll? Because damn

Now it seems to be you who are going religious. Since there isn't any way to prove that stars exist in the standard way we think about them, who really knows what they are?

The closest thing we can do is recognize that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 - and then try to see if He has any explanation for us as to what the stars really are.

No way to prove the stars exist? Dont we see the sun? With our own eyes actually. We can also feel its heat. Do you really need more proofs than that? I mean i seriously dont understand your point, serious question are you trolling?

We see something. We call it the sun. So, the sun exists.

We see something that we call the stars. The stars exist.

We see darkness around the stars. We call some of it dark matter. Dark matter exists.

What they all are is a big question. The sun may be different than the stars. The stars may be pinholes in the blanket of dark matter. Who knows? We have lots of observations and theories regarding the sun, the stars, and maybe even dark matter. We have no proof, although we may be close to getting some proof about what the sun is.

0/10 troll

[BADecker]

This thread is now full f the shittiest explanations for the existance of God, no scientific proof whatsoever

There is no proof that there are constellations. The groupings of stars that we call constellations can be grouped by anybody in any way that they want. Stars in many (most) of the constellations are not near enough to each other to suggest that they should be grouped together.

In fact, there is little proof that stars exist at all. You have heard of dark matter. A bunch of scientists made up a bunch of stories and a bunch of math regarding what stars and dark matter are. Yet nobody has been close enough to any star - even the sun - to say for sure what it is. And nobody has even sent space vehicles close enough to any star other than the sun, to even SUGGEST what they ACTUALLY are.

Perhaps the ancients were right. Perhaps dark matter is the blanket with the pinholes. Perhaps the light coming through the pinholes is the light from Heaven (whatever that is).

The star wobble that we see, that we interpret as planets moving around some of the stars, might simply be some kind of space/aether aberration that hasn't been identified yet... at least not to the public.

Prove it, one way or the other.

You just went full retard, never go full retard. Like are you seriously questioning if the sun exists of if there are other stars? Are you just a troll? Because damn

Now it seems to be you who are going religious. Since there isn't any way to prove that stars exist in the standard way we think about them, who really knows what they are?

The closest thing we can do is recognize that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 - and then try to see if He has any explanation for us as to what the stars really are.

No way to prove the stars exist? Dont we see the sun? With our own eyes actually. We can also feel its heat. Do you really need more proofs than that? I mean i seriously dont understand your point, serious question are you trolling?

We see something. We call it the sun. So, the sun exists.

We see something that we call the stars. The stars exist.

We see darkness around the stars. We call some of it dark matter. Dark matter exists.

What they all are is a big question. The sun may be different than the stars. The stars may be pinholes in the blanket of dark matter. Who knows? We have lots of observations and theories regarding the sun, the stars, and maybe even dark matter. We have no proof, although we may be close to getting some proof about what the sun is.

0/10 troll

To those who want to believe lies, others who point out the lies they believe, seem like trolls to them.

People who point out the lies that others believe, seem like trolls to those who want to believe the lies.

We don't know what the stars are. We don't know what dark matter is. All we have are a bunch of ideas and a few theories. Most of it doesn't fit together very well. Wake up and see that you are believing science fiction. The ideas and theories are nice stories, but we don't really know to what extent they are truth.

[Astargath]

This thread is now full f the shittiest explanations for the existance of God, no scientific proof whatsoever

There is no proof that there are constellations. The groupings of stars that we call constellations can be grouped by anybody in any way that they want. Stars in many (most) of the constellations are not near enough to each other to suggest that they should be grouped together.

In fact, there is little proof that stars exist at all. You have heard of dark matter. A bunch of scientists made up a bunch of stories and a bunch of math regarding what stars and dark matter are. Yet nobody has been close enough to any star - even the sun - to say for sure what it is. And nobody has even sent space vehicles close enough to any star other than the sun, to even SUGGEST what they ACTUALLY are.

Perhaps the ancients were right. Perhaps dark matter is the blanket with the pinholes. Perhaps the light coming through the pinholes is the light from Heaven (whatever that is).

The star wobble that we see, that we interpret as planets moving around some of the stars, might simply be some kind of space/aether aberration that hasn't been identified yet... at least not to the public.

Prove it, one way or the other.

You just went full retard, never go full retard. Like are you seriously questioning if the sun exists of if there are other stars? Are you just a troll? Because damn

Now it seems to be you who are going religious. Since there isn't any way to prove that stars exist in the standard way we think about them, who really knows what they are?

The closest thing we can do is recognize that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 - and then try to see if He has any explanation for us as to what the stars really are.

No way to prove the stars exist? Dont we see the sun? With our own eyes actually. We can also feel its heat. Do you really need more proofs than that? I mean i seriously dont understand your point, serious question are you trolling?

We see something. We call it the sun. So, the sun exists.

We see something that we call the stars. The stars exist.

We see darkness around the stars. We call some of it dark matter. Dark matter exists.

What they all are is a big question. The sun may be different than the stars. The stars may be pinholes in the blanket of dark matter. Who knows? We have lots of observations and theories regarding the sun, the stars, and maybe even dark matter. We have no proof, although we may be close to getting some proof about what the sun is.

0/10 troll

To those who want to believe lies, others who point out the lies they believe, seem like trolls to them.

People who point out the lies that others believe, seem like trolls to those who want to believe the lies.

We don't know what the stars are. We don't know what dark matter is. All we have are a bunch of ideas and a few theories. Most of it doesn't fit together very well. Wake up and see that you are believing science fiction. The ideas and theories are nice stories, but we don't really know to what extent they are truth.

But we definitely know god exists right? And we actually know what stars are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star

We dont know if dark matter even exist and no one says it is a fact so i dont know what are you trying to say

'Ideas and a few theories'' ''most of it doesnt fit together very well'' Im pretty sure all our ideas about stars and gravity and everything else works almost perfectly

[BADecker]

This thread is now full f the shittiest explanations for the existance of God, no scientific proof whatsoever

There is no proof that there are constellations. The groupings of stars that we call constellations can be grouped by anybody in any way that they want. Stars in many (most) of the constellations are not near enough to each other to suggest that they should be grouped together.

In fact, there is little proof that stars exist at all. You have heard of dark matter. A bunch of scientists made up a bunch of stories and a bunch of math regarding what stars and dark matter are. Yet nobody has been close enough to any star - even the sun - to say for sure what it is. And nobody has even sent space vehicles close enough to any star other than the sun, to even SUGGEST what they ACTUALLY are.

Perhaps the ancients were right. Perhaps dark matter is the blanket with the pinholes. Perhaps the light coming through the pinholes is the light from Heaven (whatever that is).

The star wobble that we see, that we interpret as planets moving around some of the stars, might simply be some kind of space/aether aberration that hasn't been identified yet... at least not to the public.

Prove it, one way or the other.

You just went full retard, never go full retard. Like are you seriously questioning if the sun exists of if there are other stars? Are you just a troll? Because damn

Now it seems to be you who are going religious. Since there isn't any way to prove that stars exist in the standard way we think about them, who really knows what they are?

The closest thing we can do is recognize that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 - and then try to see if He has any explanation for us as to what the stars really are.

No way to prove the stars exist? Dont we see the sun? With our own eyes actually. We can also feel its heat. Do you really need more proofs than that? I mean i seriously dont understand your point, serious question are you trolling?

We see something. We call it the sun. So, the sun exists.

We see something that we call the stars. The stars exist.

We see darkness around the stars. We call some of it dark matter. Dark matter exists.

What they all are is a big question. The sun may be different than the stars. The stars may be pinholes in the blanket of dark matter. Who knows? We have lots of observations and theories regarding the sun, the stars, and maybe even dark matter. We have no proof, although we may be close to getting some proof about what the sun is.

0/10 troll

To those who want to believe lies, others who point out the lies they believe, seem like trolls to them.

People who point out the lies that others believe, seem like trolls to those who want to believe the lies.

We don't know what the stars are. We don't know what dark matter is. All we have are a bunch of ideas and a few theories. Most of it doesn't fit together very well. Wake up and see that you are believing science fiction. The ideas and theories are nice stories, but we don't really know to what extent they are truth.

But we definitely know god exists right? And we actually know what stars are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star

We definitely know that God exists. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395.

We definitely know that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star says what stars are. We do not definitely know that it is the truth.

We dont know if dark matter even exist and no one says it is a fact so i dont know what are you trying to say

There are those who say that dark matter exists.

'Ideas and a few theories'' ''most of it doesnt fit together very well'' Im pretty sure all our ideas about stars and gravity and everything else works almost perfectly

When you look at the information about the stars being electric plasma rather than nuclear, you see that the common modern theories do NOT fit together very well, and that more than likely we are way off base with our common theories. See http://electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm.

[the joint]

This thread is now full f the shittiest explanations for the existance of God, no scientific proof whatsoever

There is no proof that there are constellations. The groupings of stars that we call constellations can be grouped by anybody in any way that they want. Stars in many (most) of the constellations are not near enough to each other to suggest that they should be grouped together.

In fact, there is little proof that stars exist at all. You have heard of dark matter. A bunch of scientists made up a bunch of stories and a bunch of math regarding what stars and dark matter are. Yet nobody has been close enough to any star - even the sun - to say for sure what it is. And nobody has even sent space vehicles close enough to any star other than the sun, to even SUGGEST what they ACTUALLY are.

Perhaps the ancients were right. Perhaps dark matter is the blanket with the pinholes. Perhaps the light coming through the pinholes is the light from Heaven (whatever that is).

The star wobble that we see, that we interpret as planets moving around some of the stars, might simply be some kind of space/aether aberration that hasn't been identified yet... at least not to the public.

Prove it, one way or the other.

You just went full retard, never go full retard. Like are you seriously questioning if the sun exists of if there are other stars? Are you just a troll? Because damn

Now it seems to be you who are going religious. Since there isn't any way to prove that stars exist in the standard way we think about them, who really knows what they are?

The closest thing we can do is recognize that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 - and then try to see if He has any explanation for us as to what the stars really are.

No way to prove the stars exist? Dont we see the sun? With our own eyes actually. We can also feel its heat. Do you really need more proofs than that? I mean i seriously dont understand your point, serious question are you trolling?

We see something. We call it the sun. So, the sun exists.

We see something that we call the stars. The stars exist.

We see darkness around the stars. We call some of it dark matter. Dark matter exists.

What they all are is a big question. The sun may be different than the stars. The stars may be pinholes in the blanket of dark matter. Who knows? We have lots of observations and theories regarding the sun, the stars, and maybe even dark matter. We have no proof, although we may be close to getting some proof about what the sun is.

No, the "darkness" is not called dark matter.

Also, about the sun, we've had satellites orbiting it for decades...

[BADecker]

We see something. We call it the sun. So, the sun exists.

We see something that we call the stars. The stars exist.

We see darkness around the stars. We call some of it dark matter. Dark matter exists.

What they all are is a big question. The sun may be different than the stars. The stars may be pinholes in the blanket of dark matter. Who knows? We have lots of observations and theories regarding the sun, the stars, and maybe even dark matter. We have no proof, although we may be close to getting some proof about what the sun is.

No, the "darkness" is not called dark matter.

Also, about the sun, we've had satellites orbiting it for decades...

I know, I know. You like to play.

Look above. I said "We see darkness around the stars." Anybody who thinks about it knows that it is not darkness that we see. It is light that we see. If there is darkness, we don't see it. We simply recognize it as absence of light. The point is that my statements are a figure of speech that are grounded in reality somewhat.

While dark matter is hypothetical, the explanation for it is that it is, matter that we cannot see. Since we cannot see it, it is darkness. That's why it is called "dark matter." Since dark matter only makes up part of that which we do not see, only some of the darkness is dark matter. The rest is simply absence of light. This is what my statement indicates.

Get off the games (of course, only if you want to).

[Videlicet]

Prove your thoughts and emotions exists, wait, we can't.
All we can do is map the EM activation patterns in the brain to show us physical correlates to such emotion / thought.

The same is with the Source.
Science is just beginning to understand with the "Heisenberg uncertainty principal" which ironically shows us matter reacts to our awareness of it, wouldn't this be deemed more "certainty"?

As to "prove" god exists, that's like saying prove that this picture of a 3d sphere I drew on a 2d piece of paper is a sphere.
It isn't a sphere, it is a 2d representation of a sphere. The same is how we perceive "deities" from a 3d earth.

Some concepts extend beyond the abilities of the logical mind,
Viz.

[BADecker]

Prove your thoughts and emotions exists, wait, we can't.
All we can do is map the EM activation patterns in the brain to show us physical correlates to such emotion / thought.

The same is with the Source.
Science is just beginning to understand with the "Heisenberg uncertainty principal" which ironically shows us matter reacts to our awareness of it, wouldn't this be deemed more "certainty"?

As to "prove" god exists, that's like saying prove that this picture of a 3d sphere I drew on a 2d piece of paper is a sphere.
It isn't a sphere, it is a 2d representation of a sphere. The same is how we perceive "deities" from a 3d earth.

Some concepts extend beyond the abilities of the logical mind,
Viz.

You might be able to prove you exist to yourself. But after you don't exist any longer, you won't be able to prove anything.

[Videlicet]

Agreed my friend

Viz.

[the joint]

Prove your thoughts and emotions exists, wait, we can't.
All we can do is map the EM activation patterns in the brain to show us physical correlates to such emotion / thought.

The same is with the Source.
Science is just beginning to understand with the "Heisenberg uncertainty principal" which ironically shows us matter reacts to our awareness of it, wouldn't this be deemed more "certainty"?

As to "prove" god exists, that's like saying prove that this picture of a 3d sphere I drew on a 2d piece of paper is a sphere.
It isn't a sphere, it is a 2d representation of a sphere. The same is how we perceive "deities" from a 3d earth.

Some concepts extend beyond the abilities of the logical mind,
Viz.

I like this post.

Although it's somewhat semantic, I've coined a phrase: "What one knows, he cannot prove.  What one can prove, he cannot know."

The reason I say it's somewhat semantic is because I'm talking specifically to claims made at a 100% level of confidence.  I can say, "The Sun feels warm" and know that claim to be true, so long as I directly experience the sensation of warmth from the Sun's rays.  However, there is no way to prove to someone else that the warm sensation exists.  I could take a thermometer and measure the temperature of the Sun's warmth and determine that it is "warm," relative to something else, but this just means that we are substituting evidence which indirectly suggests the Sun's rays are warm for the direct knowledge of the Sun's warmth experienced first-hand.

[Videlicet]

Biggest point I'm trying to elucidate is you can't fit a sphere in a piece of paper, you can only represent an illusion of a sphere for a piece of paper is 2D and a sphere is 3D.

Similar logic can be applied in "proof" as 2D "proof" of a 3D sphere can only be a circle

Thank You,
Viz.

[yampi]

I don't know about God but the universe sure as hell is designed to make your life horrible.

[Videlicet]

Matter reacts to your awareness of it, therefore what you perceive filters the information you can receive.

Life gets better bud 
Viz.

[BADecker]

I don't know about God but the universe sure as hell is designed to make your life horrible.

Optimist Creed

Promise Yourself...
To be so strong that nothing
can disturb your peace of mind.

To talk health, happiness and prosperity
to every person you meet.

To make all your friends feel
that there is something in them.

To look at the sunny side of everything
and make your optimism come true.

To think only of the best,
to work only for the best,
and to expect only the best.

To be just as enthusiastic about the
success of others as you are about your own.

To forget the mistakes of the past and press
on to the greater achievements of others in the future.

To wear a cheerful countenance at all times
and give every living creature you meet a smile.

To give so much time to the improvement of yourself
that you have no time to criticize others.

To be too large for worry, too noble for anger,
too strong for fear, and too happy
to permit the presence of trouble.

[BADecker]

Biggest point I'm trying to elucidate is you can't fit a sphere in a piece of paper, you can only represent an illusion of a sphere for a piece of paper is 2D and a sphere is 3D.

Similar logic can be applied in "proof" as 2D "proof" of a 3D sphere can only be a circle

Thank You,
Viz.

It is this way with government. All government is paper >> 2D. The 3D part is people using the 2D. Without people, government can do nothing. The question is, what right do some people have to rule over other people, since all are people >> 3D?

The closest thing that we have to 2D becoming 3D is Bitcoin. However, even in Bitcoin, the 2D has been put together by the 3D.

[Videlicet]

The point is to compare our 3D existence to 4D or 5D.
These forces can't be proved, described, understood any more than a 2D could understand 3D; for it will always be a cross section.

Bitcoin is just the beginning of people realizing we are the creators of reality, finally we figured out we can create our own money; what's next 

Thank You,
Viz.

[BADecker]

The point is to compare our 3D existence to 4D or 5D.
These forces can't be proved, described, understood any more than a 2D could understand 3D; for it will always be a cross section.

Bitcoin is just the beginning of people realizing we are the creators of reality, finally we figured out we can create our own money; what's next 

Thank You,
Viz.

xD? How high does it go?

People operate with a focus on 3D. However, they themselves may easily be many dimension higher, spiritually. This is the reason science recognizes the existence of consciousness without recognizing that consciousness is beyond mind and brain, beyond 3D.

Extrapolating the dimension idea, how far do we have to go to extrapolate dimension into God? Or is God beyond dimensions? Perhaps He is both, dimensional and extra-dimensional.

[Astargath]

This thread is now full f the shittiest explanations for the existance of God, no scientific proof whatsoever

There is no proof that there are constellations. The groupings of stars that we call constellations can be grouped by anybody in any way that they want. Stars in many (most) of the constellations are not near enough to each other to suggest that they should be grouped together.

In fact, there is little proof that stars exist at all. You have heard of dark matter. A bunch of scientists made up a bunch of stories and a bunch of math regarding what stars and dark matter are. Yet nobody has been close enough to any star - even the sun - to say for sure what it is. And nobody has even sent space vehicles close enough to any star other than the sun, to even SUGGEST what they ACTUALLY are.

Perhaps the ancients were right. Perhaps dark matter is the blanket with the pinholes. Perhaps the light coming through the pinholes is the light from Heaven (whatever that is).

The star wobble that we see, that we interpret as planets moving around some of the stars, might simply be some kind of space/aether aberration that hasn't been identified yet... at least not to the public.

Prove it, one way or the other.

You just went full retard, never go full retard. Like are you seriously questioning if the sun exists of if there are other stars? Are you just a troll? Because damn

Now it seems to be you who are going religious. Since there isn't any way to prove that stars exist in the standard way we think about them, who really knows what they are?

The closest thing we can do is recognize that God exists - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395 - and then try to see if He has any explanation for us as to what the stars really are.

No way to prove the stars exist? Dont we see the sun? With our own eyes actually. We can also feel its heat. Do you really need more proofs than that? I mean i seriously dont understand your point, serious question are you trolling?

We see something. We call it the sun. So, the sun exists.

We see something that we call the stars. The stars exist.

We see darkness around the stars. We call some of it dark matter. Dark matter exists.

What they all are is a big question. The sun may be different than the stars. The stars may be pinholes in the blanket of dark matter. Who knows? We have lots of observations and theories regarding the sun, the stars, and maybe even dark matter. We have no proof, although we may be close to getting some proof about what the sun is.

0/10 troll

To those who want to believe lies, others who point out the lies they believe, seem like trolls to them.

People who point out the lies that others believe, seem like trolls to those who want to believe the lies.

We don't know what the stars are. We don't know what dark matter is. All we have are a bunch of ideas and a few theories. Most of it doesn't fit together very well. Wake up and see that you are believing science fiction. The ideas and theories are nice stories, but we don't really know to what extent they are truth.

But we definitely know god exists right? And we actually know what stars are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star

We definitely know that God exists. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395.

We definitely know that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star says what stars are. We do not definitely know that it is the truth.

We dont know if dark matter even exist and no one says it is a fact so i dont know what are you trying to say

There are those who say that dark matter exists.

'Ideas and a few theories'' ''most of it doesnt fit together very well'' Im pretty sure all our ideas about stars and gravity and everything else works almost perfectly

When you look at the information about the stars being electric plasma rather than nuclear, you see that the common modern theories do NOT fit together very well, and that more than likely we are way off base with our common theories. See http://electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm.

Im sorry 0/10 troll you dont accept that kind of proof but when you show your "proof" of god existance wich is just a bunch of lies or fallacies if you will, then you defend that pile of shit posting it every 4 posts when no one, not even the religious people in this thread agreed with it

[bl4kjaguar]

Video Lecture by John Lennox Explains why Atheism is a Delusion Incompatible with Science

In this post:
1) Belief in God, the creator of natural laws, does not conflict with belief in science, the study of natural laws.
2) Belief in religion and spirituality is enormously beneficial to the individual.
3) Atheism is incompatible with science because a brain that was produced by natural selection would have evolved to enhance survival not apprehend truth and it would not be a reliable tool for understanding anything.