Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

There's no proof that gods don't exist; However, there's also no proof that they do exist. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. But, some of these things can't stand.

You guys are wasting your time.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a brainwashed person to understand there are no gods.

hah an apt reference

/thread

You forget the rest of it. Jesus said, but nothing is impossible for God. By the time you get through the eye of the needle and see that God is there, you will already be in the judgment, and there will be no chance to change your mind and believe. Why not? Here's why not.

You can only believe in things that you are not sure of. When you are sure of something that you know, you don't believe it any longer. You are beyond that... beyond simply having to believe it. You KNOW it.

Once you are in the judgment, you will KNOW that God exists. Yet you can only be saved by faith = believing. You won't have any chance to believe any longer. You will NOT be saved if you haven't believed BEFORE you get to the judgment, because in the judgment you will KNOW God exists.

If nothing is impossible for god, why is it that he can't forgive you for not believing? Many people claim that god is a jealous god - would you want someone filled with jealousy determining your life's path and fate?

Oh come on! Do you just want to hear someone talk? Or what?

It's not impossible for God to make something impossible for Himself, and also make it possible. You are forgiven for as long as you live... forgiven for EVERYTHING. It's once you die that you have locked yourself out of forgiveness, if you have. God has given each of us some of Himself. So, who is He going to deny when you will not accept Him? You or Himself?

He is jealous for and on behalf of righteousness, for honor, for the law of love, for those who trust in Him, and for truth. How long does He have to put up with a bunch of God-haters who prove that they are such by attempting to deny Him His rightful place of honor He holds as Creator and Owner of all things?

May I ask you this next question, please?

If someone has MPD, say, and one of their personalities thought that it was god, himself, would he be forgiven after death?

If god wants everyone to believe in their beliefs, why is it that we all can't get into this 'Heaven'? Were in the scripture is the usage of 'God-haters'? I'm Agnostic - does that make me a 'God-hater'?

Your argument sounds completely one-sided. You're not taking in the other non-religions, that also seemed doomed to your Hell. Freethinkers, Humanists, Apatheists, et cetera. Not to mention - will Muslims get into Heaven, too, or Jews? In which they believe in the same Allah/god as you? Hmm? How about the other branches of Christianity, which are in common feuds in one another and don't have the exact same beliefs? Huh? Will they too find salvation?

What about the murderous and treacherous ones? You make it seem as if the ultimate 'sin' is believing in your own beliefs. If you follow god's path, why is it that you call anyone who doesn't have your beliefs a 'God-hater' when so obviously your belief that god exists condemns my beliefs?

You don't seem that open-minded to me. To be honest, I don't hate Christians at all, or Muslims, or Jews, or any religion that doesn't aim to hurt other's beliefs. Your pale arguments are clearly why some feel the need to sway away from your beliefs. 

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

Bible says so. 

[1714181974]

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[jackjack]

There's no proof that gods don't exist; However, there's also no proof that they do exist. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. But, some of these things can't stand.

You guys are wasting your time.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a brainwashed person to understand there are no gods.

hah an apt reference

/thread

You forget the rest of it. Jesus said, but nothing is impossible for God. By the time you get through the eye of the needle and see that God is there, you will already be in the judgment, and there will be no chance to change your mind and believe. Why not? Here's why not.

You can only believe in things that you are not sure of. When you are sure of something that you know, you don't believe it any longer. You are beyond that... beyond simply having to believe it. You KNOW it.

Once you are in the judgment, you will KNOW that God exists. Yet you can only be saved by faith = believing. You won't have any chance to believe any longer. You will NOT be saved if you haven't believed BEFORE you get to the judgment, because in the judgment you will KNOW God exists.

If nothing is impossible for god, why is it that he can't forgive you for not believing? Many people claim that god is a jealous god - would you want someone filled with jealousy determining your life's path and fate?

Oh come on! Do you just want to hear someone talk? Or what?

It's not impossible for God to make something impossible for Himself, and also make it possible. You are forgiven for as long as you live... forgiven for EVERYTHING. It's once you die that you have locked yourself out of forgiveness, if you have. God has given each of us some of Himself. So, who is He going to deny when you will not accept Him? You or Himself?

He is jealous for and on behalf of righteousness, for honor, for the law of love, for those who trust in Him, and for truth. How long does He have to put up with a bunch of God-haters who prove that they are such by attempting to deny Him His rightful place of honor He holds as Creator and Owner of all things?

May I ask you this next question, please?

If someone has MPD, say, and one of their personalities thought that it was god, himself, would he be forgiven after death?

If god wants everyone to believe in their beliefs, why is it that we all can't get into this 'Heaven'? Were in the scripture is the usage of 'God-haters'? I'm Agnostic - does that make me a 'God-hater'?

Your argument sounds completely one-sided. You're not taking in the other non-religions, that also seemed doomed to your Hell. Freethinkers, Humanists, Apatheists, et cetera. Not to mention - will Muslims get into Heaven, too, or Jews? In which they believe in the same Allah/god as you? Hmm? How about the other branches of Christianity, which are in common feuds in one another and don't have the exact same beliefs? Huh? Will they too find salvation?

What about the murderous and treacherous ones? You make it seem as if the ultimate 'sin' is believing in your own beliefs. If you follow god's path, why is it that you call anyone who doesn't have your beliefs a 'God-hater' when so obviously your belief that god exists condemns my beliefs?

You don't seem that open-minded to me. To be honest, I don't hate Christians at all, or Muslims, or Jews, or any religion that doesn't aim to hurt other's beliefs. Your pale arguments are clearly why some feel the need to sway away from your beliefs. 

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

Bible says so. 

The Bible says there's a guy would walked on water.
It says there's a guy who splited the water in 2.
It says there's a guy who spit in mud and un-blinded another guy with that.

Enjoy your fairy tails bro.

[BADecker]

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

Bible says so. 

The Bible says there's a guy would walked on water.
It says there's a guy who splited the water in 2.
It says there's a guy who spit in mud and un-blinded another guy with that.

Enjoy your fairy tails bro.

Thanks, jackjack.

The Bible exists, right? I mean there are book stores in many countries around the world where you can go to find a copy of the Bible in many languages, right? Well, if you studied the details of how the Bible came into existence, you would see that it is impossible for the Bible to exist. Yet, the Bible DOES exist.

Rather than do that, you study the details of how evolution exists. Then, rather than express your findings, that evolution is impossible to exist, you proudly and emphatically say that it exists. Yet, the only place anyone can see evolution happening is in the minds of the scientists. Yet people can see the Bible all over the place.

[Gimpeline]

Wow giga off-topic.
I didn't mention anything about infinity. And even the monkey page doesn't talk about infinity.

The point is that there are (1000 billions)^2 = 100000000000000000000000000 stars in the universe. The probability of having the conditions applied in the 70s in at least one of planet around one of them is rather high IMO.

Sorry. Me bad for assuming that you were, in part, talking about infinity when you mentioned a webpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem - that has as one of its basic premises the idea of an infinite amount of time. And, in real life, it seems that you almost have to have eternity for an infinite amount of time to exist. Sorry.

I have to ask. Do you know what the theory of evolution is? It almost sounds like you think its some kind of random pick from the tree of life.
Or that guy. ( dont remember his name) that was worried about going around for millions of years waiting to evolve a mouth so he could eat.
Thre is nothing random about evolution.
You dont have to go thru every single configuration to get to your goal like that monkey in the link

Edit: Sorry I rememberd wrong. It wasnt a mouth. It was going to the toilet. Here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Lt5ClxG5Q

If the idea of evolution has to do with randomness, then, because of the difficulty involved along with probability, evolution is impossible.

If the idea of evolution has to do with cause and effect, then, because of the difficulty involved, the proof for God has to do with universe/machine > machine Maker = no evolution.

If it has to do with a combination of the two (randomness at times), or with something else entirely, then we don't have a clue, and evolution theory is entirely pointless.

In other words you dont know what it is. Please read up on the subject. Is easyer to have a debate when both sides knows the facts

[Gimpeline]

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

Bible says so. 

The Bible says there's a guy would walked on water.
It says there's a guy who splited the water in 2.
It says there's a guy who spit in mud and un-blinded another guy with that.

Enjoy your fairy tails bro.

Thanks, jackjack.

The Bible exists, right? I mean there are book stores in many countries around the world where you can go to find a copy of the Bible in many languages, right? Well, if you studied the details of how the Bible came into existence, you would see that it is impossible for the Bible to exist. Yet, the Bible DOES exist.

Rather than do that, you study the details of how evolution exists. Then, rather than express your findings, that evolution is impossible to exist, you proudly and emphatically say that it exists. Yet, the only place anyone can see evolution happening is in the minds of the scientists. Yet people can see the Bible all over the place.

Not sure what you mean. Lord of the rings excist in loads of languages, is that a proof of goblins?

[BADecker]

Wow giga off-topic.
I didn't mention anything about infinity. And even the monkey page doesn't talk about infinity.

The point is that there are (1000 billions)^2 = 100000000000000000000000000 stars in the universe. The probability of having the conditions applied in the 70s in at least one of planet around one of them is rather high IMO.

Sorry. Me bad for assuming that you were, in part, talking about infinity when you mentioned a webpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem - that has as one of its basic premises the idea of an infinite amount of time. And, in real life, it seems that you almost have to have eternity for an infinite amount of time to exist. Sorry.

I have to ask. Do you know what the theory of evolution is? It almost sounds like you think its some kind of random pick from the tree of life.
Or that guy. ( dont remember his name) that was worried about going around for millions of years waiting to evolve a mouth so he could eat.
Thre is nothing random about evolution.
You dont have to go thru every single configuration to get to your goal like that monkey in the link

Edit: Sorry I rememberd wrong. It wasnt a mouth. It was going to the toilet. Here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Lt5ClxG5Q

If the idea of evolution has to do with randomness, then, because of the difficulty involved along with probability, evolution is impossible.

If the idea of evolution has to do with cause and effect, then, because of the difficulty involved, the proof for God has to do with universe/machine > machine Maker = no evolution.

If it has to do with a combination of the two (randomness at times), or with something else entirely, then we don't have a clue, and evolution theory is entirely pointless.

In other words you dont know what it is. Please read up on the subject. Is easyer to have a debate when both sides knows the facts

Unfortunately, reading up on evolution facts doesn't provide any facts. It only provides conjecture. 

[BADecker]

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

Bible says so. 

The Bible says there's a guy would walked on water.
It says there's a guy who splited the water in 2.
It says there's a guy who spit in mud and un-blinded another guy with that.

Enjoy your fairy tails bro.

Thanks, jackjack.

The Bible exists, right? I mean there are book stores in many countries around the world where you can go to find a copy of the Bible in many languages, right? Well, if you studied the details of how the Bible came into existence, you would see that it is impossible for the Bible to exist. Yet, the Bible DOES exist.

Rather than do that, you study the details of how evolution exists. Then, rather than express your findings, that evolution is impossible to exist, you proudly and emphatically say that it exists. Yet, the only place anyone can see evolution happening is in the minds of the scientists. Yet people can see the Bible all over the place.

Not sure what you mean. Lord of the rings excist in loads of languages, is that a proof of goblins?

But you sounded so knowledgeable the other times. 

[Gimpeline]

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

Bible says so. 

The Bible says there's a guy would walked on water.
It says there's a guy who splited the water in 2.
It says there's a guy who spit in mud and un-blinded another guy with that.

Enjoy your fairy tails bro.

Thanks, jackjack.

The Bible exists, right? I mean there are book stores in many countries around the world where you can go to find a copy of the Bible in many languages, right? Well, if you studied the details of how the Bible came into existence, you would see that it is impossible for the Bible to exist. Yet, the Bible DOES exist.

Rather than do that, you study the details of how evolution exists. Then, rather than express your findings, that evolution is impossible to exist, you proudly and emphatically say that it exists. Yet, the only place anyone can see evolution happening is in the minds of the scientists. Yet people can see the Bible all over the place.

Not sure what you mean. Lord of the rings excist in loads of languages, is that a proof of goblins?

But you sounded so knowledgeable the other times. 

You say its impossible for the bible to be in so many languages, Lord of the rings is also in so many languages. and it has just as many details as the bible
If its impossible for the bible to excist without God, then I have to conclude that the Lord of the rings cant excist without goblins

[Gimpeline]

Wow giga off-topic.
I didn't mention anything about infinity. And even the monkey page doesn't talk about infinity.

The point is that there are (1000 billions)^2 = 100000000000000000000000000 stars in the universe. The probability of having the conditions applied in the 70s in at least one of planet around one of them is rather high IMO.

Sorry. Me bad for assuming that you were, in part, talking about infinity when you mentioned a webpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem - that has as one of its basic premises the idea of an infinite amount of time. And, in real life, it seems that you almost have to have eternity for an infinite amount of time to exist. Sorry.

I have to ask. Do you know what the theory of evolution is? It almost sounds like you think its some kind of random pick from the tree of life.
Or that guy. ( dont remember his name) that was worried about going around for millions of years waiting to evolve a mouth so he could eat.
Thre is nothing random about evolution.
You dont have to go thru every single configuration to get to your goal like that monkey in the link

Edit: Sorry I rememberd wrong. It wasnt a mouth. It was going to the toilet. Here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Lt5ClxG5Q

If the idea of evolution has to do with randomness, then, because of the difficulty involved along with probability, evolution is impossible.

If the idea of evolution has to do with cause and effect, then, because of the difficulty involved, the proof for God has to do with universe/machine > machine Maker = no evolution.

If it has to do with a combination of the two (randomness at times), or with something else entirely, then we don't have a clue, and evolution theory is entirely pointless.

In other words you dont know what it is. Please read up on the subject. Is easyer to have a debate when both sides knows the facts

Unfortunately, reading up on evolution facts doesn't provide any facts. It only provides conjecture. 

So you havent even read up on it. How can you say it is impossible if you dont know what it is?

[beaknuke]

Isn't the Bible (and Koran for that matter) the largest selling fictional publication ever?!

[bl4kjaguar]

Isn't the Bible (and Koran for that matter) the largest selling fictional publication ever?!

You have not even read up on it. How can you say it is fiction if you do not know what it is?

[beaknuke]

Isn't the Bible (and Koran for that matter) the largest selling fictional publication ever?!

You have not even read up on it. How can you say it is fiction if you do not know what it is?

um... didn't realize you knew me lol

maybe another book then, not sure what tho

[bl4kjaguar]

It works the same for any Scripture.

How can you say God is fiction if you do not know who God is?

[ajareselde]

It works the same for any Scripture.

How can you say God is fiction if you do not know who God is?

There are infinite definitions about what "god" actualy means.
if ure refering to god as our maker, i believe he exists, but i dont believe in the bull**** religions talk about

cheers

[the joint]

Wow giga off-topic.
I didn't mention anything about infinity. And even the monkey page doesn't talk about infinity.

The point is that there are (1000 billions)^2 = 100000000000000000000000000 stars in the universe. The probability of having the conditions applied in the 70s in at least one of planet around one of them is rather high IMO.

Sorry. Me bad for assuming that you were, in part, talking about infinity when you mentioned a webpage - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem - that has as one of its basic premises the idea of an infinite amount of time. And, in real life, it seems that you almost have to have eternity for an infinite amount of time to exist. Sorry.

I have to ask. Do you know what the theory of evolution is? It almost sounds like you think its some kind of random pick from the tree of life.
Or that guy. ( dont remember his name) that was worried about going around for millions of years waiting to evolve a mouth so he could eat.
Thre is nothing random about evolution.
You dont have to go thru every single configuration to get to your goal like that monkey in the link

Edit: Sorry I rememberd wrong. It wasnt a mouth. It was going to the toilet. Here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Lt5ClxG5Q

If the idea of evolution has to do with randomness, then, because of the difficulty involved along with probability, evolution is impossible.

If the idea of evolution has to do with cause and effect, then, because of the difficulty involved, the proof for God has to do with universe/machine > machine Maker = no evolution.

If it has to do with a combination of the two (randomness at times), or with something else entirely, then we don't have a clue, and evolution theory is entirely pointless.

In other words you dont know what it is. Please read up on the subject. Is easyer to have a debate when both sides knows the facts

Unfortunately, reading up on evolution facts doesn't provide any facts. It only provides conjecture. 

So you havent even read up on it. How can you say it is impossible if you dont know what it is?

The problem I have with the theory of evolution is that the evidence supporting the theory of evolution can also be used to support other equally-valid theories.  This relates to the problem of "mathematical uncertainty" which is a notoriously difficult obstacle for scientists.  Given two or more equally-valid theories, which one is correct?  For example, the same evidence supporting evolution can also be used to equally support a theory in which evolution in conscious states leads to an evolution of physical states, and not vice versa as modern evolutionary theory implies.

[bl4kjaguar]

It works the same for any Scripture.

How can you say God is fiction if you do not know who God is?

There are infinite definitions about what "god" actualy means.

Man's distortions do not qualify as definitions...

God defines himself in Exodus when the burning bush speaks to Moses.

What does God actually mean by that?

With luck, you can find a path or religion that explains it in detail.

[Decksperiment]

Monkey Magic.. After scran.. connect external backup of files deleted from net.. Argue this bible stuff..

With proof..

The only time proof of God will exist for you is when He meets you face to face and forces you to believe Him - a thing you instinctively want to do anyway.

However, the machine/Machine-Maker quality of the universe is so absolutely great that, if you examine it in detail, as a whole, God is the only conclusion that you can logically and emotionally come to.

May I suggest you take your 2000 year old book and burn it? So now god's into 'forcing' people to believe in him? You are a supporter of paedofeelya, quite clearly, and you will never sway the majority of people on this planet who know this is a fact. God's the only conclusion we would come to? Hahaha! I'd love to wipe that smile off your face by using you in an evil ritual.. whatever one makes you realise your life of bible bashing is a fuckin sore one.. sittin behind that keyboard assured we are like you, fuckin lunatic.. away dae some bible bashin in the real world mate, cause all you do here is claim we believe in your FALSE idol, by saying we are like you, kill me now pleeeeease.. I wanna see your jaw drop before I go..

[bl4kjaguar]

If I may ask a question in the hope of proof of god, it would be this:

Do angels and demons exist?

YES, and this is FACT. (Seth speaks.mp3)

What most miss, is how to see them.

Do not be deceived; a demon is nothing more than the negative polarity of an angel.

[Vod]

Imagine if all knowledge of science and religion was erased suddenly today.

Within a few hundred years science would rediscover everything and it would as it is today.

Since people are gullible, religions would probably pop up, but they would not take the forum of the Bible or the Quoran, or any of the modern cult literature.  They would be completely new religions, created in the same way all modern religions were created - imagination.

This is how I know religion is for the weak minded.

 

[bl4kjaguar]

Imagine if all knowledge of science and religion was erased suddenly today.

Personalities would still continue to exist after physical death.