Scientific proof that God exists?

[cooldgamer]

Someone need's to tell them bible bashers how many tree's died to show us the bible is an inanimate object, and cannot be 'alive', that's like saying god existed before everything else, including non-existance.. Ps, dont mention or ask where the water came from, the water god moved OVER the face of, before the earth was formed  

How the fuck god moved over the FACE of the water which had ZERO ground to keep it in place.. yet this water was clearly contained enough to reflect that which moved over it's (deep) face..

And just as I was about to make coffee, god say's.. remind them I am the light.. created in the third day

Before then it was dark.

Decky, you have a lot of things backward, but you are giving me the opportunity to say something about the atheists that I have always wanted to say.

An atheist is a person who can look up at the sky, anytime, and see that it is blue. But the moment that some scientist proves, mathematically or scientifically, that the sky is red, or it is green, or it is yellow, or that it doesn't have any color at all, then that is the thing the atheist will spout from now on... even though he can look up at any time and see it is blue.

That would never happen short of all of humanity being in a mass hallucination, as science is nothing but observations of the world around us.  Meanwhile, a religious person says the sky is pink because their holy book said so

That would be one thing if every observer of a scientists writings expressed only what the scientist said. Or if the many non-scientists understood what the scientist meant. But this doesn't happen the majority of the time.

Because of this, the atheists are more to be pitied than all other propagandized people.

Your desire to be ignorant is entertaining really.  You've come up with so many fallacies and nonsense arguments for a god, but are unable to cite a single good source that shows evidence of one, then you say that atheists should be pitied because we blindly take what we hear, even though the scientific evidence has been reviewed by other scientists time and time again.  Coming from somebody that thought the Higgs Boson proved god just because of it's nickname, you really don't have room to talk there

Keep trying. Or maybe start trying? Sooner or later, if you try hard enough, you will see through the haze of faith in your religion, so that you can finally see the truth.

I could sit here all day and dismantle your terrible arguments for a god, but you'll just keep coming up with new ones.  You proved with the Higgs Boson you literally do 0 research before spewing out false info.  It's really kinda funny that you belittle the person that has proved every thing you've said to me in this thread wrong.

Believe what you want, but there is no evidence.  Oh, and atheism isn't a religion

Again, the strong evidence is found in (among other things) these:
1. There is simply no evidence of anything other than entropy, so how did all this start?
2. We see no evidence of complex machinery without a machine maker, so where did the complex universe machine come from?
3. There is no such thing as pure random, so there is no way that the complex universe could have happened by accident.
4. The fact of consciousness and conscience within people defies all scientific tracking except a very external one.

So, when are you going to recognize the evidence and stop parroting the no-evidence idea? Or are you some kind of a political science propagandist?

1: big crunch seems to be the leading theory right now.  Lack of knowledge doesn't prove a god

2: fine-tuned universe fallacy

3: makes no sense

4: God of the gaps, and we do understand consciousness on a basic level.  Soon we will understand it more

C'mon, give me a challenge

See? That's precisely the point. Anybody can simply say that they don't accept what was said somewhere else.

If you study the 4 points I made above, you would see God. I understand how that might scare the heck out of you. But heck is just another word for hell, and you would feel a whole lot better with a whole lot less of hell in you.

Thank you for threatening to burn me in a eternal fire instead of countering my points

[Vod]

3. There is no such thing as pure random, so there is no way that the complex universe could have happened by accident.

Yet an even more complex god just formed by accident.   

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Someone need's to tell them bible bashers how many tree's died to show us the bible is an inanimate object, and cannot be 'alive', that's like saying god existed before everything else, including non-existance.. Ps, dont mention or ask where the water came from, the water god moved OVER the face of, before the earth was formed  

How the fuck god moved over the FACE of the water which had ZERO ground to keep it in place.. yet this water was clearly contained enough to reflect that which moved over it's (deep) face..

And just as I was about to make coffee, god say's.. remind them I am the light.. created in the third day

Before then it was dark.

Decky, you have a lot of things backward, but you are giving me the opportunity to say something about the atheists that I have always wanted to say.

An atheist is a person who can look up at the sky, anytime, and see that it is blue. But the moment that some scientist proves, mathematically or scientifically, that the sky is red, or it is green, or it is yellow, or that it doesn't have any color at all, then that is the thing the atheist will spout from now on... even though he can look up at any time and see it is blue.

That would never happen short of all of humanity being in a mass hallucination, as science is nothing but observations of the world around us.  Meanwhile, a religious person says the sky is pink because their holy book said so

That would be one thing if every observer of a scientists writings expressed only what the scientist said. Or if the many non-scientists understood what the scientist meant. But this doesn't happen the majority of the time.

Because of this, the atheists are more to be pitied than all other propagandized people.

Your desire to be ignorant is entertaining really.  You've come up with so many fallacies and nonsense arguments for a god, but are unable to cite a single good source that shows evidence of one, then you say that atheists should be pitied because we blindly take what we hear, even though the scientific evidence has been reviewed by other scientists time and time again.  Coming from somebody that thought the Higgs Boson proved god just because of it's nickname, you really don't have room to talk there

Keep trying. Or maybe start trying? Sooner or later, if you try hard enough, you will see through the haze of faith in your religion, so that you can finally see the truth.

I could sit here all day and dismantle your terrible arguments for a god, but you'll just keep coming up with new ones.  You proved with the Higgs Boson you literally do 0 research before spewing out false info.  It's really kinda funny that you belittle the person that has proved every thing you've said to me in this thread wrong.

Believe what you want, but there is no evidence.  Oh, and atheism isn't a religion

Again, the strong evidence is found in (among other things) these:
1. There is simply no evidence of anything other than entropy, so how did all this start?
2. We see no evidence of complex machinery without a machine maker, so where did the complex universe machine come from?
3. There is no such thing as pure random, so there is no way that the complex universe could have happened by accident.
4. The fact of consciousness and conscience within people defies all scientific tracking except a very external one.

So, when are you going to recognize the evidence and stop parroting the no-evidence idea? Or are you some kind of a political science propagandist?

1: big crunch seems to be the leading theory right now.  Lack of knowledge doesn't prove a god

2: fine-tuned universe fallacy

3: makes no sense

4: God of the gaps, and we do understand consciousness on a basic level.  Soon we will understand it more

C'mon, give me a challenge

See? That's precisely the point. Anybody can simply say that they don't accept what was said somewhere else.

If you study the 4 points I made above, you would see God. I understand how that might scare the heck out of you. But heck is just another word for hell, and you would feel a whole lot better with a whole lot less of hell in you.

Thank you for threatening to burn me in a eternal fire instead of countering my points

Hey, have no fear, god is here, I'll piss on ye tae save your soul..

[username18333]

I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

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I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

Well, even the Bible says that if God were to withdraw His Spirit and breath (another word for spirit), that all mankind would perish together.

Have you ever tried to breath aurora borealis? Shocking to say the least!!

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I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

[username18333]

I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

What, then, are you saying?

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God and 'the light' are 2 seperate entities, one creating the other.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

(Emphasis mine.)

Oh boy. Now we have sound added. Or was it the written Word? 

And here, you will eventually, (for I have no idea of your age) discover, that in the beginning, water existed. So did the dark above it. It was the 'Spirit' of god that created the first MOVEMENT as IT moved ON the water. To dis my introduction of SOUND is to forget a f(o)und-a-mental process, that purposefull vibration that filled the VOID with SOUND. If the water sat on nothing, or was not contained, it would be spread so vast as to appear as non-existant, yet the spirit of god moved ON/OVER the deep, not THROUGH the mist of time. To dis my introduction of SOUND is to forget your book, for the first word's EVER spoken, according to your book, were "let there be light" - The universe is a mental process, and we are all a part of that creation.

[username18333]

God and 'the light' are 2 seperate entities, one creating the other.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

(Emphasis mine.)

Oh boy. Now we have sound added. Or was it the written Word? 

And here, you will eventually, (for I have no idea of your age) discover, that in the beginning, water existed. So did the dark above it. It was the 'Spirit' of god that created the first MOVEMENT as IT moved ON the water. To dis my introduction of SOUND is to forget a f(o)und-a-mental process, that purposefull vibration that filled the VOID with SOUND. If the water sat on nothing, or was not contained, it would be spread so vast as to appear as non-existant, yet the spirit of god moved ON/OVER the deep, not THROUGH the mist of time. To dis my introduction of SOUND is to forget your book, for the first word's EVER spoken, according to your book, were "let there be light" - The universe is a mental process, and we are all a part of that creation.

Within Christianity, "Epistle" trumps "Torah," and "Gospel" trumps that.

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I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

What, then, are you saying?

That collectively, our SOUL's are god

[Decksperiment]

God and 'the light' are 2 seperate entities, one creating the other.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

(Emphasis mine.)

Oh boy. Now we have sound added. Or was it the written Word? 

And here, you will eventually, (for I have no idea of your age) discover, that in the beginning, water existed. So did the dark above it. It was the 'Spirit' of god that created the first MOVEMENT as IT moved ON the water. To dis my introduction of SOUND is to forget a f(o)und-a-mental process, that purposefull vibration that filled the VOID with SOUND. If the water sat on nothing, or was not contained, it would be spread so vast as to appear as non-existant, yet the spirit of god moved ON/OVER the deep, not THROUGH the mist of time. To dis my introduction of SOUND is to forget your book, for the first word's EVER spoken, according to your book, were "let there be light" - The universe is a mental process, and we are all a part of that creation.

Within Christianity, "Epistle" trumps "Torah," and "Gospel" trumps that.

They do like to trump themselve's..

[username18333]

I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

What, then, are you saying?

That collectively, our SOUL's are god

These are interesting perspectives; however, it would seem His entropism has not been heard.

Entropism, dervied from solipsism, starts at the belief that nothing exists beyond one's own mind. From their, it then proceeds to assert that the sentience of that mind deomonstrates the existence of that required for it - some tendancy or tendancy to become less orderly, the consciousness occupied another state. From there, it is then postulated that this/these tendencies, begetting entropy, could, in having propagated a state of a mind out of nothing, are sufficient for some form of ex nihilo generation.

From this, entropism proceeds unto an absolute tendancy to become less orderly. In considering this, and the capabilities of those tendancies previously mentioned, it is determined that absolute entropy of this tendancy would prove sufficient for ex nihilo generation of everything, including its own self.

From that, it is determined, within entropism, that, by an absolute tendancy to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy.

(See that text emboldened.)

What do you believe "the sum of existence is absolute entropy" to mean there?

[Decksperiment]

I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

What, then, are you saying?

That collectively, our SOUL's are god

These are interesting perspectives; however, it would seem His entropism has not been heard.

Entropism, dervied from solipsism, starts at the belief that nothing exists beyond one's own mind. From their, it then proceeds to assert that the sentience of that mind deomonstrates the existence of that required for it - some tendancy or tendancy to become less orderly, the consciousness occupied another state. From there, it is then postulated that this/these tendencies, begetting entropy, could, in having propagated a state of a mind out of nothing, are sufficient for some form of ex nihilo generation.

From this, entropism proceeds unto an absolute tendancy to become less orderly. In considering this, and the capabilities of those tendancies previously mentioned, it is determined that absolute entropy of this tendancy would prove sufficient for ex nihilo generation of everything, including its own self.

From that, it is determined, within entropism, that, by an absolute tendancy to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy.

(See that text emboldened.)

What do you believe "the sum of existence is absolute entropy" to mean there?

Sorry, but entropy is LAZINESS used to explain what only I can. Try being me without any understanding of entropy, and figure out as I do..

If ya really want to boil it doin to zero point, start praying for implosion, for only then will we know that after said implosion, all that will exist is what went before..

Water, (where we came from) Darkness, (Form exists only to thine eye's) and OUR spirit, that spirit of GOD.

[Decksperiment]

When god said "let there be light" we created the big bang I suppose..

Keep in mind time existed before god did anything, for everything he did was IN time, not without it, or external to it.

[username18333]

I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

What, then, are you saying?

That collectively, our SOUL's are god

These are interesting perspectives; however, it would seem His entropism has not been heard.

Entropism, dervied from solipsism, starts at the belief that nothing exists beyond one's own mind. From their, it then proceeds to assert that the sentience of that mind deomonstrates the existence of that required for it - some tendancy or tendancy to become less orderly, the consciousness occupied another state. From there, it is then postulated that this/these tendencies, begetting entropy, could, in having propagated a state of a mind out of nothing, are sufficient for some form of ex nihilo generation.

From this, entropism proceeds unto an absolute tendancy to become less orderly. In considering this, and the capabilities of those tendancies previously mentioned, it is determined that absolute entropy of this tendancy would prove sufficient for ex nihilo generation of everything, including its own self.

From that, it is determined, within entropism, that, by an absolute tendancy to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy.

(See that text emboldened.)

What do you believe "the sum of existence is absolute entropy" to mean there?

Sorry, but entropy is LAZINESS used to explain what only I can. Try being me without any understanding of entropy, and figure out as I do..

If ya really want to boil it doin to zero point, start praying for implosion, for only then will we know that after said implosion, all that will exist is what went before..

Water, (where we came from) Darkness, (Form exists only to thine eye's) and OUR spirit, that spirit of GOD.

(That post distinguishes between "an absolute tendency to become less orderly" and "absolute entropy.")

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Dude, when I say entropy is laziness, I say so knowing that it is a word invented to create the opposite of what was created in the beginning.. from the big bang to zero point, the alpha and omega.. with one slight difference.. there was no big bang. So there will be no zero point. That 'space' up there, is nothing more than a singular life entity, and when it draw's IT's last breath, we, the virus living on ONE atom, will die. Many other eternally big guys n gals known as god's shall continue. We are but a part of a being called god. He has a life span as much as the next life.

Well, I reckon since no-one else would dare come out with what only an Aquarian would.. any other Aquarians out there with alternative notions?

[username18333]

I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

What, then, are you saying?

That collectively, our SOUL's are god

These are interesting perspectives; however, it would seem His entropism has not been heard.

Entropism, dervied from solipsism, starts at the belief that nothing exists beyond one's own mind. From their, it then proceeds to assert that the sentience of that mind deomonstrates the existence of that required for it - some tendancy or tendancy to become less orderly, the consciousness occupied another state. From there, it is then postulated that this/these tendencies, begetting entropy, could, in having propagated a state of a mind out of nothing, are sufficient for some form of ex nihilo generation.

From this, entropism proceeds unto an absolute tendancy to become less orderly. In considering this, and the capabilities of those tendancies previously mentioned, it is determined that absolute entropy of this tendancy would prove sufficient for ex nihilo generation of everything, including its own self.

From that, it is determined, within entropism, that, by an absolute tendancy to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy.

(See that text emboldened.)

What do you believe "the sum of existence is absolute entropy" to mean there?

Sorry, but entropy is LAZINESS used to explain what only I can. Try being me without any understanding of entropy, and figure out as I do..

If ya really want to boil it doin to zero point, start praying for implosion, for only then will we know that after said implosion, all that will exist is what went before..

Water, (where we came from) Darkness, (Form exists only to thine eye's) and OUR spirit, that spirit of GOD.

(That post distinguishes between "an absolute tendency to become less orderly" and "absolute entropy.")

Dude, when I say entropy is laziness, I say so knowing that it is a word invented to create the opposite of what was created in the beginning.. from the big bang to zero point, the alpha and omega.. with one slight difference.. there was no big bang. So there will be no zero point. That 'space' up there, is nothing more than a singular life entity, and when it draw's IT's last breath, we, the virus living on ONE atom, will die. Many other eternally big guys n gals known as god's shall continue. We are but a part of a being called god. He has a life span as much as the next life.

Well, I reckon since no-one else would dare come out with what only an Aquarian would.. any other Aquarians out there with alternative notions?

A tendency to "become less orderly" is not entropy (that is, that quantity of possible states a [thermodynamic] system may occupy).

[Decksperiment]

Means nothing in todays world really..

[username18333]

I been saying it over and over.. I see god as the ALL SOUL. This could be defined as the universal consciousnous.. I dont believe we have 'seperate' soul's from each other, but that we have a PART of ONE soul, and THAT would be god, and any religion speaking in the name of god that CHOOSE's to grant THEIR member's right's over any other as a cult or sect, like say, freemasonry, rosicrucian, illuminate, judaism, bhuddism, catholic, protestant.. yeah, ya get the idea..

As for those nippy git's who think or make out that when I say I believe in god, means I believe in their's, is to make me understand why so many other religions want them dead.

God willing of course

By "the universal consciousness" do you mean "the zero-point field."

No.

What, then, are you saying?

That collectively, our SOUL's are god

These are interesting perspectives; however, it would seem His entropism has not been heard.

Entropism, dervied from solipsism, starts at the belief that nothing exists beyond one's own mind. From their, it then proceeds to assert that the sentience of that mind deomonstrates the existence of that required for it - some tendancy or tendancy to become less orderly, the consciousness occupied another state. From there, it is then postulated that this/these tendencies, begetting entropy, could, in having propagated a state of a mind out of nothing, are sufficient for some form of ex nihilo generation.

From this, entropism proceeds unto an absolute tendancy to become less orderly. In considering this, and the capabilities of those tendancies previously mentioned, it is determined that absolute entropy of this tendancy would prove sufficient for ex nihilo generation of everything, including its own self.

From that, it is determined, within entropism, that, by an absolute tendancy to become less orderly, the sum of existence is absolute entropy.

(See that text emboldened.)

What do you believe "the sum of existence is absolute entropy" to mean there?

Sorry, but entropy is LAZINESS used to explain what only I can. Try being me without any understanding of entropy, and figure out as I do..

If ya really want to boil it doin to zero point, start praying for implosion, for only then will we know that after said implosion, all that will exist is what went before..

Water, (where we came from) Darkness, (Form exists only to thine eye's) and OUR spirit, that spirit of GOD.

(That post distinguishes between "an absolute tendency to become less orderly" and "absolute entropy.")

Dude, when I say entropy is laziness, I say so knowing that it is a word invented to create the opposite of what was created in the beginning.. from the big bang to zero point, the alpha and omega.. with one slight difference.. there was no big bang. So there will be no zero point. That 'space' up there, is nothing more than a singular life entity, and when it draw's IT's last breath, we, the virus living on ONE atom, will die. Many other eternally big guys n gals known as god's shall continue. We are but a part of a being called god. He has a life span as much as the next life.

Well, I reckon since no-one else would dare come out with what only an Aquarian would.. any other Aquarians out there with alternative notions?

A tendency to "become less orderly" is not entropy (that is, that quantity of possible states a [thermodynamic] system may occupy).

Means nothing in todays world really..

Nay, it means everything (that is, "−0 ÷ x = −0 ⇔ x ≠ −0").

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Your kinda like a bible basher, I knew you would come up with.. well, the same answer as my previous post.. 0 = no thing.