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March 21, 2018, 07:00:38 AM |
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ROTFLMFAO!!! Forked from vergecurrency/electrum-xvg Umm, yeah right setting my buys now. Hope you won't regret, dude. Meh, I'm destined to never have good shit! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) And why pray tell did it take this long to find this out? No-one ran a search on Bitcoin in that stack he released?
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March 21, 2018, 01:55:22 PM |
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how do i use monero at my ledger nano device? I downloaded and installed the dev version. Couldn’t do anything with it, but was sure nice to see that M on my device.
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March 21, 2018, 03:32:27 PM |
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It all comes down to control, this tech has the capability of completely controlling every purchase you ever made. It's scary when it is centralized, it's bad enough they seize your bank account for arbitrary reasons and funds out of it as well and you have to prove they were wrong and not the other way around. I could not believe companies could seize my money out of my bank and I have to sue them to get it back! This fucking country (USA) is insane!
Yea, there are defiantly some black eyes from seizure laws. However I would guess that it's no better in any other countries, but instead gets a whole lot worse. Although it should probably be noted that the most extreme stories get the most publicity. This is also why I hate the war on cash though, it's a little harder to seize money from a safe in somebody's basement; not to mention here in America you never know what's gonna happen once you bust down somebody's door.
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March 21, 2018, 04:33:43 PM |
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Crypto has ruined my trust of journalism in general--I imagine there are a thousand hacks like Green who are using their academic status to pawn the general public into their rightness of opinion. Maybe it's for the best, but I somewhat enjoyed my trust of experts as it saved me a ton on fact checking and critical analysis.
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March 21, 2018, 05:16:09 PM |
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Crypto has ruined my trust of journalism in general--I imagine there are a thousand hacks like Green who are using their academic status to pawn the general public into their rightness of opinion. Maybe it's for the best, but I somewhat enjoyed my trust of experts as it saved me a ton on fact checking and critical analysis. Green also used it as a pulpit to tout zcash. Clearly he is pretty motivated to sensationalize this rehash of 2013 btct topics. Then again, so am I.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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March 21, 2018, 05:45:37 PM |
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Crypto has ruined my trust of journalism in general--I imagine there are a thousand hacks like Green who are using their academic status to pawn the general public into their rightness of opinion. Maybe it's for the best, but I somewhat enjoyed my trust of experts as it saved me a ton on fact checking and critical analysis. Green also used it as a pulpit to tout zcash. Clearly he is pretty motivated to sensationalize this rehash of 2013 btct topics. Then again, so am I. I can't remember the original, but with my memory it's no surprise, you got a link?
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I call these the Jihan dumps. They are sure lot's of fun. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com%2Fimages%2Fa0591ba8-ad0c-45b7-95cd-e701a51b340c.png&t=665&c=ipkfo1pJNPoggw)
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March 21, 2018, 08:28:10 PM |
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Crypto has ruined my trust of journalism in general--I imagine there are a thousand hacks like Green who are using their academic status to pawn the general public into their rightness of opinion. Maybe it's for the best, but I somewhat enjoyed my trust of experts as it saved me a ton on fact checking and critical analysis. Yeah, agree. Like everything else, knowing is like opening the box. Then you see it everywhere else. Similar experience from learning a load of NLP and related stuff at some point a lot of things become exposed that you cant un notice anymore.
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March 21, 2018, 10:03:24 PM |
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Crypto has ruined my trust of journalism in general--I imagine there are a thousand hacks like Green who are using their academic status to pawn the general public into their rightness of opinion. Maybe it's for the best, but I somewhat enjoyed my trust of experts as it saved me a ton on fact checking and critical analysis. Yeah, agree. Like everything else, knowing is like opening the box. Then you see it everywhere else. Similar experience from learning a load of NLP and related stuff at some point a lot of things become exposed that you cant un notice anymore. Yep - the very definition of 'forbidden fruit'. And a bit like Monero, once open it can never be closed. And goes through many a emotional girations for years and years to finally become just a fact with not much of the early anger, despair and so on. Bit like Monero trading...lol
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March 22, 2018, 11:15:36 AM |
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March 22, 2018, 11:21:07 AM |
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... G20 news.
I thought that XMR was way more resilient to regulations. Unfortunately correlation works both ways, up and down
Short-term correlations do not always correlate with long-term correlations. Crypto is somewhat like the broad equity or bond market, and all varieties correlate with Bitcoin for many immediate impulses, because so much accounting is done with Bitcoin numeraire, just as alpha-seeking is done with reference to a broad index. Within crypto there are sectors, such as contract- focussed or PoS, or various hash algos, for which both psychological and fundamental factors cause increased correlations in their impulse response to some triggering events. But in the long run, the small but persistent fundamental factors drive dispersion, as each stock (or alt) is driven pseudo-randomly by short-term factors of high correlation, but consistently and monotonically by long-term fundamental factors which differentiate it from it's "peers", and do not correlate. Monero is unlike its "peers" because it has moneyness in spades. A tighter regulatory regime will cause a price shock, but if your time preference is long-term, it will not matter. The same contraction which drives the price down short-term will only drive the price up in the long run. The privacy sector will suffer shocks, but they will only serve to expose the fundamental factors which create demand for privacy, and discriminate Monero as the highest quality private currency (in terms of factors that matter: liquidity, usability, and antifragility). Gold is a larger, more integrated part of the economy (compared to crypto), moving on scales of decades and centuries. How successful were Keynes, Roosevelt, Nixon, and Mao in suppressing the price and/or global trade in gold? How successful was the London gold pool? In the short-term their actions shocked the market. In the long run, they are history while gold persists, and inexorably rises in price. Monero is much, much more like gold (but faster) than are it's "peers", which are more like the North Korean Won, or Theranos shares. In fact, I contend that the crypto which is amenable to surveillance and central control will lose value in the long run, simply because it is surveilled and controlled - and not to your benefit - while the more decentralized and private crypto will experience consistent, persistent demand which inexorably pushes the price up. A smack-down punch can take the price arbitrarily low, but the inexorable forces of demand will continue. In fact, even in the near-term, the smacks just cause corresponding spikes later because they encourage speculators to enter. Surveillance and centralized control serve the surveillor and controller, but privacy serves the users of the currency, and thus the denominated economy. Hence the free economy will inexorably grow and produce wealth, while the slave economy founders and creates poverty. We have seen this repeatedly throughout history. So vivid is this lesson that Will Durant considers it the first and foremost "lesson of history”: There is and endless cycle in alternating ascendance of the forces of accumulation and centralization, on the one hand, and the forces of distribution and liberty on the other. As always, an articulate and intriguing read. I still believe XMR is a good future hold, have you any thoughts on whether BTC+Layer2 will be 'enough' privacy and erode the XMR value prop?
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March 22, 2018, 09:03:29 PM |
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I call these the Wuhan dumps. They are sure lot's of fun. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com%2Fimages%2Fa0591ba8-ad0c-45b7-95cd-e701a51b340c.png&t=665&c=ipkfo1pJNPoggw) It's fun only for those people who understand the meaning of these games in crypto. Beginners is in panic from such falls for sure. However I'm sure that many traders could earn with this type of market.
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March 22, 2018, 09:30:49 PM |
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As always, an articulate and intriguing read.
I still believe XMR is a good future hold, have you any thoughts on whether BTC+Layer2 will be 'enough' privacy and erode the XMR value prop?
Aminorex has shared his opinion on this point on several occasions, particularly eloquently here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg24387647#msg24387647. Of course, I would also welcome any additional insights.
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March 23, 2018, 03:42:41 AM |
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[MARKETING LIST] Ways you can help increase Monero's Growth & Adoption1) Mention Monero via "word of mouth" 2) Youtube (or Video marketing) 3) Graphic design – create new Monero Logos & Imagery 4) Spread Monero Stickers, images (or Posters) around your locality 5) Stamp Monero marketing campaign ( https://stampmonero.com) 6) Wear Monero Merchandise (T-shirts, Hats etc.) 7) On your social media and gaming accounts: change your username & profile pictures to a Monero alias (Youtube, Facebook, Reddit, Twitch, watsapp, Twitter, Steam etc.) 8 ) Post high quality articles & content across online communities & forums that educate and inform others about Monero 9) Attend local Monero meet-ups (or events) 10) Contact Websites & Media to request they contribute to Monero's coverage 11) Protect Monero's REPUTATION (privacy is NOT a crime) 12) Target Wealthy Investors (ULTRA HIGH NET WORTH) ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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March 23, 2018, 04:43:18 AM |
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I speculate my coins on binance will get frozen! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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March 23, 2018, 05:08:05 AM |
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Hey I'm going to predict the bottom. I bet Monero will meet a lot of resistance at 0.02 and Bitcoin will meet a lot of resistance at 6000. So 0.02*6000=120. Let's see how close I get. Someone quote this post someday if I get it right.
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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March 23, 2018, 03:18:07 PM |
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Quoting concerns in the comments section: Rik Wisselink 1 hour ago Isn't there a large risk of punishing innocent people? If you sell a hotdog to a maffioso and let him pay with bitcoin, should your money be voided?
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March 23, 2018, 04:06:45 PM |
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If you are threatened by Bitcoin, then the answer is yes. If you are not, then the answer is no.
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March 23, 2018, 05:26:59 PM |
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Quoting concerns in the comments section: Rik Wisselink 1 hour ago Isn't there a large risk of punishing innocent people? If you sell a hotdog to a maffioso and let him pay with bitcoin, should your money be voided? I posted this example in 2015 (I still use it): A more concrete example:
Let's say Alice sells a painting on OpenBazaar that is bought by Bob. Alice assumes Bob is a law abiding citizin and thus sends her BTC to Coinbase to exchange them for US dollars. However, what Alice didn't know is that Bob isn't the law abiding citizen that she thought he was. That is, Bob occasionally sells some illicit stuff on the darknet markets and used his proceeds to buy the painting. As a result, Alice gets flagged by Coinbase for trying to sell "tainted" coins. A salient issue of Bitcoin's lack of fungibility is that law abiding citizens can be implicated fairly trivially, as shown by aforementioned examples.
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