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December 11, 2019, 03:26:36 AM
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Unless there was a way to have a trustless way to create a platform that tracks digital assets such as monero... like Tari, maybe? Wink

Anyone have any updates as to how that side of the Monero world is doing now and days?

You know I just can't remember why I would ever need Tari, care to remind me?

From how I understand it, the idea is to have an “ethereum-like” chain that is secured by Monero’s POW... so I just basically imagine Ethereum with the “child-lock” turned on in regards to preventing rolling back previous transactions to make them invalid.
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What no Monero Classic fork from a fucked up DAO and chain rollback?  Tongue
Yeah I think we can all agree immutability is pretty important, but i still don't see a reason for smart contracts at all. I guess i'm old fashioned, i just want my money to be money.



I get it... I thought that way when I initially read about what Ethereum was. However, I do think there is value to creating contracts on a blockchain without need for a third party to enforce it (government).

Sure, there is value added to the Eco system by building ontop but not by interfering with the base layer and that includes bloat like storing contract info.

Tari seems to have value but it is in enlarging the eco system which in turn should increase the value of the base layer.

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December 12, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
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XMR down to 14th at CMC.  Sad  I guess we overestimated the space's need for privacy..?  How's the darknet doing these days (I heard law enforcement is getting better at shutting DN sites down) and what are the latest stats on XMR's usage over there?

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December 12, 2019, 03:31:53 PM
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XMR down to 14th at CMC.  Sad  I guess we overestimated the space's need for privacy..?  How's the darknet doing these days (I heard law enforcement is getting better at shutting DN sites down) and what are the latest stats on XMR's usage over there?

~I just saw a graphic here somewhere that darknet market size continues to grow. Not Monero specific.


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December 12, 2019, 05:14:22 PM
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XMR down to 14th at CMC.

On that list is everything. Coins/tokens/whatever whose marketcap is not comparable. Teteher, XRP, Ethereum, ....  It has nothing to do with how Bitcoin or Monero got its marketcap.  If you cut out ICOs and Bitcoin blockchain forks, there are only 3 left. Bitcoin, Litecoin and Monero. Three coins that was fairly launched and PoW mined. And after these big 3 is Dogecoin.

There will be more forks of Bitcoin blockchain and there will be more ICOs and more premined coins and tokens in future. Monero will on CMC ranking keep going down. Will be out of top100 sooner or latter. But that dont means it will not be in top3 of the normal coins.

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December 13, 2019, 03:55:13 PM
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^  Yup sure...  But then that list shows where the money is going.  And that's what ultimately matters as far as rankings are concerned.  IMHO.

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December 13, 2019, 04:12:28 PM
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^  Yup sure...  But then that list shows where the money is going.  And that's what ultimately matters as far as rankings are concerned.  IMHO.

Definitely. Many will just buy what is number one just because is number one. But that dont mean is most valuable. One Million Bitcoins that Satoshi mined, dont give any value nor to Bitcoin nor to any Bitcoin blockchain fork.  The same with millions of ETH that were sold in ICO cheap. Not to mention IOTA where they had to even change units since price is now so much higher as it was in ICO. Those bulks of coins dont move just inflate coins marketcap. If they would hit exchange price would deflate.

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December 13, 2019, 04:23:05 PM
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^  I don't really gauge the 'value' of a coin as a project on whatever rank they're on.  I just think XMR lost a lot of ground (based on CMC rank) and hence lost some value in terms of money invested in.

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December 13, 2019, 05:21:58 PM
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The main thing is the believing what is most useful value of blockhain. Until 2016 general belief in crypto was that main value of blockchain is digital money. After that, sentiment changed mostly to asset platforms. It was also way more simple for people to believe in that then to believe in capitulation of central banks. Tomorrow we can get something totally new or we simply return to digital money.

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December 15, 2019, 07:47:12 PM
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We are exactly a year after last bottom at $38.  And since price is not that much above, that definitely tells us is good time to buy.

Yearly bottoms: 

2015 $0.22
2016 $0.43
2017 $10
2018 $38
2019 $42


Oh and yesterday daily emission went under 1500 XMR.

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December 15, 2019, 10:07:41 PM
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We are exactly a year after last bottom at $38.  And since price is not that much above, that definitely tells us is good time to buy.

Yearly bottoms: 

2015 $0.22
2016 $0.43
2017 $10
2018 $38
2019 $42


Oh and yesterday daily emission went under 1500 XMR.
So it should be around ~50$ for the bottom of 2020. Nice value for today`s market situation. I hope that halving won`t let crypto falling next year. Idea of anonymous coins will have a great support for the next generation of crypto growth. It is not possible to control everything like our goverments want to do...
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December 15, 2019, 10:35:06 PM
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We are exactly a year after last bottom at $38.  And since price is not that much above, that definitely tells us is good time to buy.

Yearly bottoms: 

2015 $0.22
2016 $0.43
2017 $10
2018 $38
2019 $42


Oh and yesterday daily emission went under 1500 XMR.

Romeros be getting scarce, it shouldn't be long before we see some movement.

*Shakes fist at chart

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December 16, 2019, 02:30:51 AM
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We are exactly a year after last bottom at $38.  And since price is not that much above, that definitely tells us is good time to buy.

Yearly bottoms: 

2015 $0.22
2016 $0.43
2017 $10
2018 $38
2019 $42


Oh and yesterday daily emission went under 1500 XMR.

Romeros be getting scarce, it shouldn't be long before we see some movement.

*Shakes fist at chart

I just think there is a lot of uncertainty right now in the markets in general right now.  Everyone and their mother can see a recession is coming.

However this isn't entirely a bad thing.  Just keep steadily amassing monero when you have some extra government issued toilet paper to spare Smiley


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December 16, 2019, 03:17:35 AM
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We are exactly a year after last bottom at $38.  And since price is not that much above, that definitely tells us is good time to buy.

Yearly bottoms: 

2015 $0.22
2016 $0.43
2017 $10
2018 $38
2019 $42


Oh and yesterday daily emission went under 1500 XMR.

Romeros be getting scarce, it shouldn't be long before we see some movement.

*Shakes fist at chart

I just think there is a lot of uncertainty right now in the markets in general right now.  Everyone and their mother can see a recession is coming.

However this isn't entirely a bad thing.  Just keep steadily amassing monero when you have some extra government issued toilet paper to spare Smiley

Yeah they just printed 450 trillion m0ar so where can I get some of that.
I think you need to be a banker to be in that line. Cheesy

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December 17, 2019, 05:31:01 AM
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This price action is giving me a headache. I sure could use a little aminorex to ease the pain.

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December 18, 2019, 04:26:45 AM
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This price action is giving me a headache. I sure could use a little aminorex to ease the pain.

Muuuuaaaahhhhhhaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaaaaaa  Grin Wink Smiley
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December 18, 2019, 08:52:04 AM
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This price action is giving me a headache. I sure could use a little aminorex to ease the pain.

Yeah it’s disgusting.

I haven’t sold any Monero from when I bought around 7usd to the ATH and back to here.

My eyes are open and I see it’s value - economically, from a utility perspective and from an applied cryptography standpoint.

All that said, I don’t think it’s too likely we will see a return to ATH from here, it’s just such a deafening low. At the same time, I’m not fucking selling, id rather keep them as a souvenir.
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December 18, 2019, 10:11:38 AM
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This price action is giving me a headache. I sure could use a little aminorex to ease the pain.

Yeah it’s disgusting.

I haven’t sold any Monero from when I bought around 7usd to the ATH and back to here.

My eyes are open and I see it’s value - economically, from a utility perspective and from an applied cryptography standpoint.

All that said, I don’t think it’s too likely we will see a return to ATH from here, it’s just such a deafening low. At the same time, I’m not fucking selling, id rather keep them as a souvenir.
Same here! But I'm holding XMR as a painful memory.

Bought them from $ 30 and sold all when the price of XMR went up to $ 200, but because of my greed, I took back my money and bought XMR at $ 350 and waited for $ 600 to make a profit.

Don't curse me stupid because I'm really a fool. Cry

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December 18, 2019, 11:36:58 PM
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This price action is giving me a headache. I sure could use a little aminorex to ease the pain.

Yeah it’s disgusting.

I haven’t sold any Monero from when I bought around 7usd to the ATH and back to here.

My eyes are open and I see it’s value - economically, from a utility perspective and from an applied cryptography standpoint.

All that said, I don’t think it’s too likely we will see a return to ATH from here, it’s just such a deafening low. At the same time, I’m not fucking selling, id rather keep them as a souvenir.

I'm so under water i don't even want to figure it out but I'm still Cost averaging away most weeks.

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December 19, 2019, 12:02:30 AM
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This price action is giving me a headache. I sure could use a little aminorex to ease the pain.

Yeah it’s disgusting.

I haven’t sold any Monero from when I bought around 7usd to the ATH and back to here.

My eyes are open and I see it’s value - economically, from a utility perspective and from an applied cryptography standpoint.

All that said, I don’t think it’s too likely we will see a return to ATH from here, it’s just such a deafening low. At the same time, I’m not fucking selling, id rather keep them as a souvenir.

I'm so under water i don't even want to figure it out but I'm still Cost averaging away most weeks.

Take a deep breath, let us not have another alpha bay moment shall we?
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December 19, 2019, 01:13:19 AM
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Monero is really holding it's own better than many alts.

Bottom line... if Bitcoin stays at the front of crypto space Monero will still fill a valuable niche as one of the most cypherpunk projects in the whole space. 

The world still has a LOT of catching up to do when it comes to what BTC (and XMR) offers in terms of freedom and self sovereignty.

Some of you are old enough to remember how long it took to get a GUI.  One of the best parts about XMR not having a GUI was when it finally got one, the protocol, and the chain were old and proven enough to handle the greater usage it began to see.

I think the value not being realized is similar.  The utterly VAST majority of people do not understand why Monero matters.  Now what we need is second layer solutions to grow up enough that we start to see some cross chain interoperability.  When that happens Monero will (in my opinion) begin to show it's value as a chain with trust-able privacy implementation.

I would say that Monero is best used for commerce.  I think in some ways that makes it a bad investment.  However it should also be recognized as a way to privately store wealth.  In that regard it's hard to match.  Not BTC.  Not Grin, or ZCash.  I wish I could dig up a post I wrote years ago.  But it is truly the modern day Swiss Bank account.

People just don't know that yet.

Monero has exactly TWO enimys in my opinion.

1.  Eventually BTC is somehow able to integrate enough privacy to make it unneeded. (I think this is unlikely, but the LN might make the cash side work that way)

2.  Hidden inflation.

#2 is it's Achilles heel.  But even in that regard it would still have value.
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