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December 06, 2012, 11:26:36 PM
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See you still have the perjury wording in there so that anyone submitting a claim commits it, as they know damn well it is a bond they are claiming not a contract.
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December 07, 2012, 01:53:51 AM
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For us Canadians, Apostilles do not exist.  Is there an alternative?

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December 07, 2012, 02:09:13 AM
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For us Canadians, Apostilles do not exist.  Is there an alternative?

Yes Notary Public where you get to commit perjury to claim your funds, in short better edit that doc before submitting to reflect the true nature of what you are claiming.
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December 07, 2012, 04:53:10 AM
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What is the difference, technically, between a bond and a contract in this sense?

I'm honestly in the dark on this as someone who doesn't work with securities, bonds, contracts, and the like.

For what it is worth I also have no stake in Gigamining whatsoever. I'm just curious of the difference between these particular terms in the sense they're being applied here.

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December 07, 2012, 05:26:13 AM
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What is the difference, technically, between a bond and a contract in this sense?

I'm honestly in the dark on this as someone who doesn't work with securities, bonds, contracts, and the like.

For what it is worth I also have no stake in Gigamining whatsoever. I'm just curious of the difference between these particular terms in the sense they're being applied here.

A bond is an instrument that provides a fixed rate of return on the investment made. It could be considered a form of contract the difference here is in the claims process you are swearing out a legal document that in its own words says to the best of your knowledge what you are claiming is true. Now the people doing this claims process know it was not a contract they bought but a bond purchase as they were sold it. So this whole thing has been structured to foist a fraud upon the legal process with anyone who submits a claim form as it is written committing perjury.
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December 07, 2012, 06:42:20 AM
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To all Gigaminers:

I have received another list from GLBSE today. All of the new information is up on the website if you would like to check to see if you are in the list.

The affidavit is also up as a Google Doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oz5y4beQ_V3Yk59ZPEAMpjELchfXZdyxYYzZotE9GsE/edit

As I have stated before, claims will be reviewed once per week so if you send your information in and do not hear anything immediately, please be patient.

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This is crazy. I got emails from other asset owners saying that they will pay the dividends without requesting any more information and you require to do an affidavit.
What is the background for this? Are you trying to scam us?

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December 07, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
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What is the background for this?

Please take a look at my post history. Most of this has already been explained.
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December 07, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
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I am working on some ideas to make it easier for smaller account to claim. Please be patient.

Going back and re-reading this post what exactly are you working on for smaller accounts and what constitutes a "smaller" account... I only have 30 shares is that small? 


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December 07, 2012, 08:48:54 PM
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To all Gigaminers:

I have received another list from GLBSE today. All of the new information is up on the website if you would like to check to see if you are in the list.

The affidavit is also up as a Google Doc.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oz5y4beQ_V3Yk59ZPEAMpjELchfXZdyxYYzZotE9GsE/edit

As I have stated before, claims will be reviewed once per week so if you send your information in and do not hear anything immediately, please be patient.

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James

Also regarding this post... I don't have a Tax Identification number?  Am I supposed to go get one for 30 shares and a few BTC in dividends?  Or if I am willing to give you my info can I leave that blank? 

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December 07, 2012, 09:11:42 PM
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Also regarding this post... I don't have a Tax Identification number?  Am I supposed to go get one for 30 shares and a few BTC in dividends?  Or if I am willing to give you my info can I leave that blank? 

Those are primarily for businesses (though I think they're also issued to resident aliens so they can get jobs).  Individuals would normally use their Social Security number when asked for this.

(IANAL, this post assumes you're in the U.S., yada yada yada...)

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December 07, 2012, 09:42:29 PM
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Going back and re-reading this post what exactly are you working on for smaller accounts and what constitutes a "smaller" account... I only have 30 shares is that small? 

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December 07, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
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Also regarding this post... I don't have a Tax Identification number?  Am I supposed to go get one for 30 shares and a few BTC in dividends?  Or if I am willing to give you my info can I leave that blank? 

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December 07, 2012, 11:00:08 PM
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Is it possible to have someone else claim my shares, if I allow it? Meaning can someone submit potentially multiple versions of this paper with different addresses (that you somehow seem to use as "unique keys" to the amount of shares we can claim)? If yes, I offer 0.5 BTC to anyone who claims my 4 shares, more info via PM.

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December 07, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
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Is it possible to have someone else claim my shares, if I allow it? Meaning can someone submit potentially multiple versions of this paper with different addresses (that you somehow seem to use as "unique keys" to the amount of shares we can claim)? If yes, I offer 0.5 BTC to anyone who claims my 4 shares, more info via PM.

I don't think this is legal, we are forced to sign that we own shares and I don't own your shares so how this is going to work !?

Anyway I finally get my BTC address in the list. Thanks

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December 07, 2012, 11:31:44 PM
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Is it possible to have someone else claim my shares, if I allow it? Meaning can someone submit potentially multiple versions of this paper with different addresses (that you somehow seem to use as "unique keys" to the amount of shares we can claim)? If yes, I offer 0.5 BTC to anyone who claims my 4 shares, more info via PM.

I don't think this is legal, we are forced to sign that we own shares and I don't own your shares so how this is going to work !?

It could be legal if you buy them before signing, and you could buy them off the counter with a simple contract between you and the seller.
I have about 30 Gigamininig shares that I am willing to sell at 0.25 BTC each. PM me if interested.

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December 07, 2012, 11:37:27 PM
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Is it possible to have someone else claim my shares, if I allow it? Meaning can someone submit potentially multiple versions of this paper with different addresses (that you somehow seem to use as "unique keys" to the amount of shares we can claim)? If yes, I offer 0.5 BTC to anyone who claims my 4 shares, more info via PM.

I don't think this is legal, we are forced to sign that we own shares and I don't own your shares so how this is going to work !?

It could be legal if you buy them before signing, and you could buy them off the counter with a simple contract between you and the seller.
I have about 30 Gigamininig shares that I am willing to sell at 0.25 BTC each. PM me if interested.

I may consider your offer, but first I need confirmation from Gigavps that this can be done.

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December 07, 2012, 11:42:24 PM
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I may consider your offer, but first I need confirmation from Gigavps that this can be done.

Obviously not according him, since it would mean less stolen shares for him.
The question is: can he practically avoid it / know who is doing it?

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December 07, 2012, 11:45:47 PM
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I may consider your offer, but first I need confirmation from Gigavps that this can be done.

Obviously not according him, since it would mean less stolen shares for him.
The question is: can he practically avoid it / know who is doing it?

Note: Just out of curiosity, someone interested in buying the right to claim 300 bonds?

This is not advisable. Please see the quote below.

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Finally, since no unique identification exists for outstanding agreements, ALL CURRENT BENEFICIAL ASSIGNEES ARE STRONGLY ADVISED NOT TO ENGAGE IN ANY TRANSFER, SALE, OR ASSIGNMENT OF THESE AGREEMENTS OUTSIDE OF GLBSE, AS IT MAY RENDER IT IMPOSSIBLE TO VERIFY AND SERVICE SUCH AGREEMENTS.

I think the problem is that once you buy the shares from someone, you're going to have to pretend you're that someone in order for Giga to be able to match up your claim with the list he has from GLBSE.  What do you do if part of his verification process is to send a request to the email on the list, expecting a reply, and the person you bought 'em from does not reply?

There's definitely risk involved.





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December 07, 2012, 11:52:13 PM
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I may consider your offer, but first I need confirmation from Gigavps that this can be done.

Obviously not according him, since it would mean less stolen shares for him.
The question is: can he practically avoid it / know who is doing it?

AFAIK there is only one claim for BTC address, so how can someone claim twice. I can't see how this can work...

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December 08, 2012, 12:05:48 AM
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AFAIK there is only one claim for BTC address, so how can someone claim twice. I can't see how this can work...

If the buyer is a Giga's shareholder, he would need someone else who is not to sign the affidavit and figure as another.
[edit:] but there is not any reason why the same person could not have more than one GLBSE account and so reclaim them with a single affidavit.

That's a bit elaborate, but I am not selling at 50%+ discount for nothing.
About following up with cooperation by email if needed, no problem on my side (even to state anything in the name of anyone).

Only problem is about the wallet that I used for my GLBSE transactions: I am not ready to give it away since the situation with other issuers of shares that I own(ed?) is still fluid. So we should figure something about this. In the past I sent back significant wrong payments that I received from 2 respected members (provable), so my word that I will forward to the buyer any payment for his bonds until he change the address may be enough, otherwise we can think about a fix.

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