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June 24, 2015, 11:01:18 PM |
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And as I say that... Congratulations to 1LjZmRdMV7Mk88bx7oMMWgKWaFF8yG1qtp {"hashrate1m": "78.8T", "hashrate5m": "78.9T", "hashrate1hr": "79.1T", "hashrate1d": "22.9T", "hashrate7d": "3.76T"
[2015-06-24 22:34:47] Possible block solve diff 95001997913.532944 !
[2015-06-24 22:34:47] BLOCK ACCEPTED!
[2015-06-24 22:34:47] Solved and confirmed block 362389
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June 24, 2015, 11:03:01 PM |
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Woot!!   |
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hedgy73
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June 24, 2015, 11:09:14 PM |
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Damn thought it might have been me... Well done block finder  |
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June 24, 2015, 11:13:29 PM |
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Nice, I love to see the solo solves. Looks like a little bit of rental did it for this lucky finder! It's funny that I/we think of 80T as "not that much hash power", but when you picture 75 S5s in a room you realize it's quite substantial. |
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June 24, 2015, 11:27:18 PM |
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Nice, I love to see the solo solves. Looks like a little bit of rental did it for this lucky finder! It's funny that I/we think of 80T as "not that much hash power", but when you picture 75 S5s in a room you realize it's quite substantial. Indeed, rental hash is the sh*t  . I have 2 x SP20's & an S4 baking my office & one of the SP20's hit a 3G share today and I got excited lol. I can't imagine 75 S5's in the same place or haobtc's kangding mine with 11k+ S3 miners, that must be insane. |
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June 25, 2015, 12:28:28 AM |
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Congrats to the lucky winner. Wiped my 15G share clean away  |
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June 25, 2015, 03:23:43 AM |
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Nice, I love to see the solo solves. Looks like a little bit of rental did it for this lucky finder! It's funny that I/we think of 80T as "not that much hash power", but when you picture 75 S5s in a room you realize it's quite substantial. Indeed, rental hash is the sh*t . I have 2 x SP20's & an S4 baking my office & one of the SP20's hit a 3G share today and I got excited lol. I can't imagine 75 S5's in the same place or haobtc's kangding mine with 11k+ S3 miners, that must be insane. How efficient is cgminer on an S3 or S5 at splitting its time among two pools? When you choose "balanced" or "load balanced", do you leave " a little on the table"? I would like to point half my miner to this solo pool and half to kano pool. If the machines do not operate optimally under these conditions, I may reconsider. Will this lead to more unaccepted/stale shares? |
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June 25, 2015, 03:49:09 AM |
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How efficient is cgminer on an S3 or S5 at splitting its time among two pools? When you choose "balanced" or "load balanced", do you leave " a little on the table"? I would like to point half my miner to this solo pool and half to kano pool. If the machines do not operate optimally under these conditions, I may reconsider. Will this lead to more unaccepted/stale shares?
No idea why you think cgminer would lose anything extra in this configuration (no idea about other miners) It doesn't lose shares/work ... or anything extra from using multiple pools. Though I do mean cgminer, not the hacked versions of cgminer produced by others, that I can not vouch for at all since they seem to often do stupid things in their versions. |
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June 25, 2015, 04:12:12 AM |
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How efficient is cgminer on an S3 or S5 at splitting its time among two pools? When you choose "balanced" or "load balanced", do you leave " a little on the table"? I would like to point half my miner to this solo pool and half to kano pool. If the machines do not operate optimally under these conditions, I may reconsider. Will this lead to more unaccepted/stale shares?
No idea why you think cgminer would lose anything extra in this configuration (no idea about other miners) It doesn't lose shares/work ... or anything extra from using multiple pools. Though I do mean cgminer, not the hacked versions of cgminer produced by others, that I can not vouch for at all since they seem to often do stupid things in their versions. Okay, to put it another way.... does the over head of managing two pools (or three) erode the efficiency of the limited processing power of the on-board cpu enough to make it less efficient than it otherwise would only communicating with one pool? Don't get me wrong... I like your answer! It makes a hobbyist like me able to multi-plex my pool allegiance without getting penalized! I get that you say the answer is 'no', but I question the computing power of the little onboard ARM cpu. It can walk and chew gum.... |
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-ck (OP)
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June 25, 2015, 04:15:24 AM |
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How efficient is cgminer on an S3 or S5 at splitting its time among two pools? When you choose "balanced" or "load balanced", do you leave " a little on the table"? I would like to point half my miner to this solo pool and half to kano pool. If the machines do not operate optimally under these conditions, I may reconsider. Will this lead to more unaccepted/stale shares?
No idea why you think cgminer would lose anything extra in this configuration (no idea about other miners) It doesn't lose shares/work ... or anything extra from using multiple pools. Though I do mean cgminer, not the hacked versions of cgminer produced by others, that I can not vouch for at all since they seem to often do stupid things in their versions. Okay, to put it another way.... does the over head of managing two pools (or three) erode the efficiency of the limited processing power of the on-board cpu enough to make it less efficient than it otherwise would only communicating with one pool? Don't get me wrong... I like your answer! It makes a hobbyist like me able to multi-plex my pool allegiance without getting penalized! I get that you say the answer is 'no', but I question the computing power of the little onboard ARM cpu. It can walk and chew gum.... It's fine. It takes virtually no more cpu power to speak to 2 pools concurrently. |
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June 25, 2015, 04:18:30 AM |
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How efficient is cgminer on an S3 or S5 at splitting its time among two pools? When you choose "balanced" or "load balanced", do you leave " a little on the table"? I would like to point half my miner to this solo pool and half to kano pool. If the machines do not operate optimally under these conditions, I may reconsider. Will this lead to more unaccepted/stale shares?
No idea why you think cgminer would lose anything extra in this configuration (no idea about other miners) It doesn't lose shares/work ... or anything extra from using multiple pools. Though I do mean cgminer, not the hacked versions of cgminer produced by others, that I can not vouch for at all since they seem to often do stupid things in their versions. Okay, to put it another way.... does the over head of managing two pools (or three) erode the efficiency of the limited processing power of the on-board cpu enough to make it less efficient than it otherwise would only communicating with one pool? Don't get me wrong... I like your answer! It makes a hobbyist like me able to multi-plex my pool allegiance without getting penalized! I get that you say the answer is 'no', but I question the computing power of the little onboard ARM cpu. It can walk and chew gum.... It's fine. It takes virtually no more cpu power to speak to 2 pools concurrently. I appreciate the confirmation! |
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June 25, 2015, 05:25:44 AM
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How efficient is cgminer on an S3 or S5 at splitting its time among two pools? When you choose "balanced" or "load balanced", do you leave " a little on the table"? I would like to point half my miner to this solo pool and half to kano pool. If the machines do not operate optimally under these conditions, I may reconsider. Will this lead to more unaccepted/stale shares?
No idea why you think cgminer would lose anything extra in this configuration (no idea about other miners) It doesn't lose shares/work ... or anything extra from using multiple pools. Though I do mean cgminer, not the hacked versions of cgminer produced by others, that I can not vouch for at all since they seem to often do stupid things in their versions. Okay, to put it another way.... does the over head of managing two pools (or three) erode the efficiency of the limited processing power of the on-board cpu enough to make it less efficient than it otherwise would only communicating with one pool? Don't get me wrong... I like your answer! It makes a hobbyist like me able to multi-plex my pool allegiance without getting penalized! I get that you say the answer is 'no', but I question the computing power of the little onboard ARM cpu. It can walk and chew gum.... It's fine. It takes virtually no more cpu power to speak to 2 pools concurrently. hmm some reason when i do it on my s3 i get a TON of rejects on pool 2 and 3. its like its taking the work of pool 1, submitting it to 2 and 3 and they reject it. ill turn it on for a few and show a screenshot. edit here is screen shot.. if you notice pool 2 is not accepting almost half the work. every time i refresh the page i get about 30 more rejects this is antpool normally i get about 1 or 2 rejects a day.. if i leave it run for awhile. eventually pool 3 will start doing the same thing. i am using the cgminer from nicehash.  |
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June 25, 2015, 05:30:31 AM |
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That is insane for that hashrate, awesome job whoever mined it. |
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June 25, 2015, 05:46:05 AM |
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hmm some reason when i do it on my s3 i get a TON of rejects on pool 2 and 3.
its like its taking the work of pool 1, submitting it to 2 and 3 and they reject it.
ill turn it on for a few and show a screenshot.
edit here is screen shot..
if you notice pool 2 is not accepting almost half the work. every time i refresh the page i get about 30 more rejects
this is antpool normally i get about 1 or 2 rejects a day..
if i leave it run for awhile. eventually pool 3 will start doing the same thing. i am using the cgminer from nicehash.
Note that antpool mines bullshit coins too so they disagree on what a block change is and you have no problem from the 2 ckpools mining together. That's why. Solo and Kano ckpool only mine bitcoins. Make of that what you will but my advice is to only mine real coins. |
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June 25, 2015, 06:03:40 AM |
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hmm some reason when i do it on my s3 i get a TON of rejects on pool 2 and 3.
its like its taking the work of pool 1, submitting it to 2 and 3 and they reject it.
ill turn it on for a few and show a screenshot.
edit here is screen shot..
if you notice pool 2 is not accepting almost half the work. every time i refresh the page i get about 30 more rejects
this is antpool normally i get about 1 or 2 rejects a day..
if i leave it run for awhile. eventually pool 3 will start doing the same thing. i am using the cgminer from nicehash.
Note that antpool mines bullshit coins too so they disagree on what a block change is and you have no problem from the 2 ckpools mining together. That's why. Solo and Kano ckpool only mine bitcoins. Make of that what you will but my advice is to only mine real coins. oh ok, that could be it.. think the last time i tried balanced i was using f2pool and antpool and both of those were almost 100% rejects.. so it depends on the pool. that makes complete sense. |
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June 25, 2015, 12:54:28 PM |
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hmm some reason when i do it on my s3 i get a TON of rejects on pool 2 and 3.
its like its taking the work of pool 1, submitting it to 2 and 3 and they reject it.
ill turn it on for a few and show a screenshot.
edit here is screen shot..
if you notice pool 2 is not accepting almost half the work. every time i refresh the page i get about 30 more rejects
this is antpool normally i get about 1 or 2 rejects a day..
if i leave it run for awhile. eventually pool 3 will start doing the same thing. i am using the cgminer from nicehash.
Note that antpool mines bullshit coins too so they disagree on what a block change is and you have no problem from the 2 ckpools mining together. That's why. Solo and Kano ckpool only mine bitcoins. Make of that what you will but my advice is to only mine real coins. oh ok, that could be it.. think the last time i tried balanced i was using f2pool and antpool and both of those were almost 100% rejects.. so it depends on the pool. that makes complete sense. It's worth noting that any alleged extra profit from these various shit coins they add to their mining profile causes potentially lots of other harm that you don't know about in terms of overhead, latency, failed block changes (see Kano's data comparing pool block change times), more lost work due to more frequent restarts, and who knows what other issues. Even if all the shit coins in the world are merged mine together they probably still don't even add 1% profit to mining, yet can you say with any certainty that the pools that have their extra overhead aren't losing more than 1% due to the overheads? Normal mining variance alone is enough noise in the statistics to prevent you ever knowing for sure. |
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June 25, 2015, 01:08:58 PM |
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It's worth noting that any alleged extra profit from these various shit coins they add to their mining profile causes potentially lots of other harm that you don't know about in terms of overhead, latency, failed block changes (see Kano's data comparing pool block change times), more lost work due to more frequent restarts, and who knows what other issues. Even if all the shit coins in the world are merged mine together they probably still don't even add 1% profit to mining, yet can you say with any certainty that the pools that have their extra overhead aren't losing more than 1% due to the overheads? Normal mining variance alone is enough noise in the statistics to prevent you ever knowing for sure.
ck this is a good point take f2pool gold standard for for pps but a 4% charge for that. right now I have some gear spilt with f2pool and your pool and some gear fully at f2pool. look what load balance does to the reject rates. that 14% reject rate is due to load balance with f2pool and your pool. but if I load balance btcguild with your pool I get 2% (just 1 extra coin NMC) and if I load balance kano with your pool I get 1.5% (no extra coins at all)  |
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June 25, 2015, 06:30:45 PM
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The point is that merged mining pools shall not reject shares on aux chain changes....those shares are still valid for BTC chain even frequent job restarts shal have zero impact on rejects in that case  it turns out that they can even reject BTC block solver in that case nice... The real problem is not "shit coin" mining itself but shitty pool implementation... At the end of the story they can even skip stratum jobs restarts (and hive higher stall aux block rate as side effect) on aux chain changes just to guard against shitty ASIC MCU (PIC) firmware written by same idiots But who cares ...when I see topics like who speaks Chinese I need to mine in China pool I just feel petty for these guys ............. And assuming all participants have higher pool reject rate (Let us say 10%) in mm pool you lose nothing at the end except possible 25 btc rejected due to above reasons...In other words at 10% rejects one of 10 VALID BTC BLOCKS is rejected by the pool...Will MM coins value compensate for it ...NO!!!!! Once again avoid using Chinese pools at any cost not only because of the above but if you wanna help the BTC to stay alive in general! |
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June 26, 2015, 03:06:51 PM |
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The point is that merged mining pools shall not reject shares on aux chain changes....those shares are still valid for BTC chain even frequent job restarts shal have zero impact on rejects in that case it turns out that they can even reject BTC block solver in that case nice... The real problem is not "shit coin" mining itself but shitty pool implementation... At the end of the story they can even skip stratum jobs restarts (and hive higher stall aux block rate as side effect) on aux chain changes just to guard against shitty ASIC MCU (PIC) firmware written by same idiots But who cares ...when I see topics like who speaks Chinese I need to mine in China pool I just feel petty for these guys ............. And assuming all participants have higher pool reject rate (Let us say 10%) in mm pool you lose nothing at the end except possible 25 btc rejected due to above reasons...In other words at 10% rejects one of 10 VALID BTC BLOCKS is rejected by the pool...Will MM coins value compensate for it ...NO!!!!! Once again avoid using Chinese pools at any cost not only because of the above but if you wanna help the BTC to stay alive in general! to me f2pool is okay as it is the gold standard of pps no other pools in China run pps. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE From my screen shot f2pool does have flaws. I now use: 1)ck's solo pool 2)mmpool 3)f2 pool I don't use ppns pools or p2p pools but I do run a node to help support the network. If my power rates in NJ summer = 18 cents were better I would mine differently. |
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No hard feelings Philipma. My intentions were not to offend you or anyone else. I have just explained what is all about. I am not sure if you got details because I am not native English speaker..... Peace.... Every one is free to chose where to lose his money..all of us are having tough times in current situation. For me the dilemma is not how much I am making and how to make more..but when I loose who to sport with my loss if that can be called suport at all.I am addicted to mining and all related stuff including software part. So...I have my choice and it will never be a Chinese pool.. I am dealing in my workwith Chinese software "miracles" unrelated to Bitcoin all day long. So I am enough. Btc world is no exception except one CHINESE company which does not have a pool and is truly opened sourced. I am not naming it because I do not wanna start discussion about it. All I wanted to say that almost everything related with software in general comming from China is a total shit including BTC world When you are making a fortune or you count on next fool in the chain all is perfect and no one cares but it is time for all of us to think and start to care about that tiny details here and there otherwise BTC will be dead soon.. There is no fool chain any more and that community is that last fool in Chinese chain. So let us support each other and stop acting like total fools |
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